John Schmidt BANNED from Viking Tour

Southpaw

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I was at the Viking Tournament in Atlanta this weekend where the tourney director, Mike Janis, made an announcement. He said that John Schmidt was banned from the Viking Tour because he went for $400 in a calcutta and instead of playing his match....he went to play golf. Janis said that Schmidt has to pay the guy that bought him in the calcutta the $400 back if he wants to be allowed to play on this tour again. It seems that evey time I turn around this guy (Schmidt) is having to defend his credibility. Just seems kind of funny to me.

Southpaw
 
Southpaw said:
I was at the Viking Tournament in Atlanta this weekend where the tourney director, Mike Janis, made an announcement. He said that John Schmidt was banned from the Viking Tour because he went for $400 in a calcutta and instead of playing his match....he went to play golf. Janis said that Schmidt has to pay the guy that bought him in the calcutta the $400 back if he wants to be allowed to play on this tour again. It seems that evey time I turn around this guy (Schmidt) is having to defend his credibility. Just seems kind of funny to me.

Southpaw

WHEN SOMEONE IS SUPPORTING YOU AND THE GAME, YOU GO OUT AND PLAY GOLF TO MISS YOUR SCHEDULED MATCH, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

MIKE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN TRYING TO MAKE JOHN S. REFUNDING THE FAN'S MONEY. WE SUPPORT IT 100%.

JOHN
 
billfishhead said:
has gambling been legalized in Georgia?

banning someone for not committing an illegal act appears odd to me

banning is a little different from arresting....you can be banned from any establishment or organization if the owner sees fit. Big difference CLOWN!

Southpaw
 
Makes it harder to run a calcutta next time, does the viking tour charge admission for fans? Its not fair to someone who travels or pays to watch a player and have them not show, the player should be fined calcutta or not.
 
Southpaw said:
I was at the Viking Tournament in Atlanta this weekend where the tourney director, Mike Janis, made an announcement. He said that John Schmidt was banned from the Viking Tour because he went for $400 in a calcutta and instead of playing his match....he went to play golf. Janis said that Schmidt has to pay the guy that bought him in the calcutta the $400 back if he wants to be allowed to play on this tour again. It seems that evey time I turn around this guy (Schmidt) is having to defend his credibility. Just seems kind of funny to me.

Southpaw
I don't understand what the calcutta has to do with the tournament. Why are they linked together? That was an idiotic thing that Schmidt did, and I feel sorry for the guy(s) who wasted the $400. But if Schmidt didn't show up for his match, it's a simple forfeit-- presumably not a banning offense. The calcutta activity should have no influence on the tour officiating.

Doc
 
as the director, janis probably feels that for his tour to be successful for players and spectators he has to enforce such rules and penalties. makes perfect sense to me.

Southpaw
 
Calcuttas ln -s /black/eye/on/the/pool/scene/reputation

Isn't this sh*t illegal in most states?! I have to find that 4 page legal paper that the late John McChesney had a full lawyers department do on this matter. It is illegal in most states!

Barbara
 
Very interesting

Personally, i have never been a fan of the calcutta.

I don't think it reflects on a tournament except to show that there are people who want to make a buck off of other peoples talents.

I have stated before that i have seen instances where people that have made purchases in calcuttas have blatantly interfered with tournament play so that their "horse" might have a better chance, and as a result, feel that players have no obligation to people that might purchase them in any way shape or form.

As far as i'm concerned, a player shows up to play, and if he pays his entry fee, and decides to forfeit, that is his decision to make, as it is his money that is being spent.
If the players weren't there, people woudn't have anything to bid on in the first place.

Unless there are strict calcutta rules that stipulate the if you are going to play on the tour, you will be kicked off the tour if you are purchased for not playing a match, there should be no action that can be taken in my mind.

Maybe a "you know that was a mean thing to do", but that might be it.

If there ARE rules pertaining to this, then obviously, rules were broken, and penaties should be given out, but they should have been stated before the tournament started so that all players involved would know.

THAT WAY, he could have just played a bad match, lost and left it at that.

but i highly doubt that there are calcutta laws in any tour, and if there WERE rules governing players being obligated to whatever person might buy them, that is a tour that i wouldn't play on.

NO ONE OWNS ME OR MY ABILITY, and unless the player in question was put INTO the tournament BY the person who then proceeded to purchase him, i do not see any conflict in ethics at all.
While it might be an unfortunate turn of events for the fellow that purchased him, that is the risk one takes.

John is free to do what he wants.
 
GROW UP people!!!! Its a calcutta....not a rooster fight! Im sure the players who win money in these tournies report them as taxable income too. the calcutta isnt the issue here.

Southpaw
 
Southpaw said:
It seems that evey time I turn around this guy (Schmidt) is having to defend his credibility. Just seems kind of funny to me.

Southpaw

This is a cunningly worded statement, and I hope people realize that this has put John in a situation where he looks bad if he responds or not. I think it would be prudent for all to hear John's side of the story and then make your judgement about the situation.

I must add, players like John receive so much more bad press because they play good and people want to play like him which results in a need to bring him down one way or another (consciously or subconsciously). Take a player like Efren and everyone thinks he's a god and so they don't feel as threatened by his playing ability because he's at a supposedly unattainable level. He seems to get much less of this type of attention in spite of the fact that he is no perfect angel.
 
Calcuta is a gamble? Right?

I feel bad for the poor fellow but JS owes him nothing and should not be obligated to perform for him. Its not like he reniged on a business deal or anything.

I understand MJs point since he is promoting the entire "show"... but I think he is wrong to ban him and should just chalk it up to - sh.it happens... If MJ wants to link the two (tour and Calc) then maybe he should set aside some funds to cover such things instead of putting it on the shoulders of the players...

Just my opinion
 
Southpaw said:
I was at the Viking Tournament in Atlanta this weekend where the tourney director, Mike Janis, made an announcement. He said that John Schmidt was banned from the Viking Tour because he went for $400 in a calcutta and instead of playing his match....he went to play golf. Janis said that Schmidt has to pay the guy that bought him in the calcutta the $400 back if he wants to be allowed to play on this tour again. It seems that evey time I turn around this guy (Schmidt) is having to defend his credibility. Just seems kind of funny to me.

Southpaw

I am trying to see this completely objectively and from where I see it if anyone owes the money it is Mike Janis, he should pay the $400. What are the players a bunch of prostitutes? They show up and pay their entry and play pool, if for some reason they decide not to play it should be no ones business, they just forfit. Let the guy who ran the calcutta pay the money back. The players should just request their names not be part of the calcutta if this is the case and leave it at that. By the way, does anyone take a cut from the calcutta or is a 100% pay back?

In a vague sense with the advent of the IPT Mr. Schmitt may be able to consider himself a professional pool player and have an action against Mr. Janis if he tries to prevent him from earning a living at his profession. I am sure there is precedent to support such a case. Better watch it Mr. Janis, you can find real trouble messing with a persons ability to earn a living, not to mention the questionable legalities of the calcutta it's self.
 
Why can`t they just take the $400.00 out of the calcutta fund and give the buyer his money back ?
 
macguy said:
Better watch it Mr. Janis, you can find real trouble messing with a persons ability to earn a living, not to mention the questionable legalities of the calcutta it's self.

The gaming commission could also shut him down. Pool is considered a game of skill, in most states, so it is legal to have tournaments and side pots (for players only to buy themselves). However, it is illegal (in most states) to wager on the outcome of pool games that you do not play in...

If they caught wind of a player being banned from the tour because he failed to participate in illegal gambling, MJ could be in some trouble.
 
Viking Tour = AZ Billiards

The owners of these private institutions can do as they see fit. FWIW.... I think Mike did the wrong thing in this case. JMO..If I ever play in a Viking tournament, I will inform Mike to keep me out of the calcutta in case I decide to drop out for whatever reason. Once I have paid all of my entry fees, it should be my choice whether I participate or not.
 
CaptiveBred said:
The gaming commission could also shut him down. Pool is considered a game of skill, in most states, so it is legal to have tournaments and side pots (for players only to buy themselves). However, it is illegal (in most states) to wager on the outcome of pool games that you do not play in...

If they caught wind of a player being banned from the tour because he failed to participate in illegal gambling, MJ could be in some trouble.
I played, (almost), once in a tournament that got shut down by the cops. They came in and said if the tournament started they would arrest the promoter. As far as they were concerned it was gambling with the players competing for a pot they had put up, (Gambling). IF the money was a prize with no entry fee it would be OK. (Not gambling). By the strictest sense most local pool tournaments are not legal. They even said something about the pool room owner not being a licensed sports promoter. They had all kinds of reasons why the tournament couldn't be played and most sounded pretty solid. We all just left. That is why you always see when a place like Burger King is having a contest it says, "No purchase necessary". If they require you to buy something to play it is a lottery, gambling.
 
gulfportdoc said:
if Schmidt didn't show up for his match, it's a simple forfeit-- presumably not a banning offense. The calcutta activity should have no influence on the tour officiating.

Doc
The way I understand the situation to be is this... An opportunity arose for John to play on an exclusive golf course with some influencial people. John asked if Mike could accomodate him by making sure his match started later in the day. Mike said he would not do that. The decision was up to John but John was not told of the consequences. John thought that he would forfeit the 1st match & have to play from the one loss side. He did not know until he got to the pool room later in the day that he would be banned. Had he known that, he probably would've made a different decision. Sometimes things like this come up where a player is forced to choose and because it's a double elimination tournament, they choose to forfeit & play from the one loss side. John is not the 1st player to make this decision at a pool tournament and doesn't deserve to be burned at the stake for it.
 
The money should stay in the calcutta. There's no way that the money should be refunded. If they refunded the money, a player who bought half of himself may find himself in a tough match early in a trny. Then he could simply leave and get his dough back. It would be a bad thing to start doing.

My advise is, DON"T BUY A PLAYER WHO MAY NOT SHOW UP!!! It's pretty simple, really. The player only has reponsibility to himself and his sponsors. If some clown buys a man he doesn't know, then that is his risk to take.

Janis is a clown. He oughta consider banning himself.
 
its my fault

i did not know i would be banned if they would have told me that when i asked them if i could show up late after i golfed i would have showed,and to the guy who bought me im sorry but how much of that would i have got if i won thats right nothing so what makes you and mike janis think you own me because you put up 400.what if you bought me for 4000 would my lovedones be kidnapped or me be killed if i dont show up. furthermore a real easy way to get me to show up to matches would be if the tours paid decent money. well anyway take it easy everybody john schmidt
 
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