Thoughts of the Tournament Director

Deno J. Andrews

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After three qualification events I finally have some interesting thoughts on tournament conditions that I would like to share at 3am! If some of this makes no sense, I am sure I will have some changes tomorrow...but let's see:

All three tournaments thus far have been on relatively tough equipment, well, mostly tight pockets and the very slow IPT cloth. The average time it takes to start and complete a match, and start the next match is two hours and forty minutes. This event has wider pockets which are just under 5" at the mouth. I would have never guessed that this little extra space would have such an impact on the tournament. In this event in Chelmsford, the average time it is taking so far to start, finish, and turn over a table is only two hours and fifteen minutes. That's a huge difference!

One well known player was complaining that the pockets were too loose. He complained so much about how easy the table was and how it was difficult to miss a ball. I wondered to myself of course that if the table was so easy, why is it that he didn't win...

Before starting these events I thought that the snooker and English pool players would do better on the tighter equipment because of their potting skills. However, I have found that during these events, that the snooker players have an easy time potting, but they also have an easy time getting out of shape. On a tight table, this seems to limit their options sometimes. In this event, the pockets are way more forgiving and the English players have an easier time compensating for their position play, especially when able to cheat the pockets, that might have otherwise hurt them on really tight tables...all just a simple opinion of course.

As far as who is going to win it is really a toss-up. Notice that most of the favorites are on the one-loss side and the no-loss side has many players who may not have been expected to be there right now. That is not to say that they aren't excellent players! I remember debating years ago on RSB about equipment and how it can favor certain players. It appears that in these events, the tight equipment favors the superior all around player. With loose pockets it appears that the better players play no better (likely because they hit the center most of the time), and that the next level down in all around skill seems to have more options or margin of error. I think it is because of this that the favorites are for the most part on the one loss side.

The cloth is probably the toughest factor. Usually on an 8-ball break, there is a corner ball that goes four rails towards the corner pocket and either makes or hits the fifth or sixth rails. On these tables, if that ball touches the fourth cushion and makes it half way down the table it is a great break. Basically, if something doesn't go in right off the rack, there is a good chance it will be a dry break. So many of the players who haven't much experience on this type of cloth are really struggling. Though Wu didn't admit it, I think that the cloth is the single most important variable for him to master if he wants to make it through this event. Sometimes he stares at the table when he gets out of line...

Basically speaking, I am really having an interesting time taking this all in. I have always been a fan of worsted cloth, but the concept of playing on difficult conditions is making a serious case as far as I am concerned. There are players here who are world class on worsted cloth who turn into A- players on woollen cloth and also players who really know their strokes and can let loose with great success. After some thought, I think that the best of the best can adjust to anything and that it is right to make the tournament conditions as difficult as possible. By playing on tight tables and slow cloth, the IPT truly is creating a playing field where the cream will rise to the top.

Regarding who is going to win...it is very difficult to say. I would not be so unkind the rest of the players by makinig a public guess at who will win tour cards. I will say this though...considering the loose pockets and inexperience of many of the young superstars on slow cloth, I think that one of the two cards is going to be won by someone very surprising.

Deno J. Andrews
IPT Tour Director
 
Interesting observations. I would have never guessed the matches would be faster. I'm actually surprised the sets take as long as they do. They must be pacing the table thinking for great lengths of time..


How about getting a camera in their to stream us video at the next qualifier. Us pool fans would love it. Even just one table would be amazing. Free would be fantastic but i would pay. Do it for us real fans. This is the most exciting thing to happen to pool and I have to watch a bracket :( I love every minute of it, though ;)
 
great job deno!

Deno J. Andrews said:
As far as who is going to win it is really a toss-up. Notice that most of the favorites are on the one-loss side and the no-loss side has many players who may not have been expected to be there right now. That is not to say that they aren't excellent players! I remember debating years ago on RSB about equipment and how it can favor certain players. It appears that in these events, the tight equipment favors the superior all around player. With loose pockets it appears that the better players play no better (likely because they hit the center most of the time), and that the next level down in all around skill seems to have more options or margin of error. I think it is because of this that the favorites are for the most part on the one loss side.
Deno J. Andrews
IPT Tour Director

i agree with the statement that small pockets favor better players. i know if i play better than someone, if we play on a 9 foot table i will be able to control things better. if we go to a bar box its more of a toss up because we are both running out, the easier conditions tend to equalize things. this is just an extreme example of what you're saying.

i like to see the player that plays best under difficult conditions win tournaments. to me this just means they were playing better than everybody as there was no "equalization" of skill becasue of easy equipment. i think it's great that you are noting this fact about small pockets and will incorperate these thoughts when setting up ipt events. i could go on and on, but one more advantage is that more pool rooms may get tougher pockets because of the ipt and this will translate into people playing better pool in my opinion.
 
Good to get your insights Deno.

Certainly tighter slower tables makes a tricky out a difficult and risky one. That makes it less of a breaking competition and more a test of how well one can decide on and play patterns, and when to look for a a safety zone when to continue on an out will just dig a deeper hole.

I hope the table conditions remain tough enough such that the top echelon of IPT players are averaging Break and Run-Outs of around 35%, but not up into the 50's as they could achieve with larger pockets on worsted cloth.

If races to 10 were to have too many 3 or 4 inning matches, then luck would play a much more significant role.

Colin
 
Deno J. Andrews said:
After some thought, I think that the best of the best can adjust to anything and that it is right to make the tournament conditions as difficult as possible. By playing on tight tables and slow cloth, the IPT truly is creating a playing field where the cream will rise to the top.

Deno J. Andrews
IPT Tour Director

Exceptional post, Deno --- well written, well-presented, and well-reasoned. It is very pleasing to learn that the tour director of the IPT carries these views.

Just as the world's best golfers shouldn't compete on courses with wide fairways and almost no rough, the world's best pool players shouldn't compete on easy equipment. In each case, the unfortunate result would be an insufficient test of player skills.

Easy playing conditions randomize the results and fail to showcase the skills of the most worthy competitors.
 
Thanks for the insight Deno...

Deno

Q) Who had the most consecutive break and run outs at the recent KOTH event?

Q) Is the cloth used for the qualifiers slower than the one used at the KOTH event?

Q) What do you reckon will be the most consecutive B&R at the IPT events in 2006?

Cheers.
Pat


PS......do the British 8 ball players find the cloth similar to what we use back home?
 
Hey Deno,
To start, I would like to say, I was very impressed with your tournament direction at the the first qualifier in Marietta, GA.

The interesting point I've noticed is this event there was only 1 player that ran 6 racks.

"Have a nice day",
Lamar
 
jjinfla said:
They had to run 7 racks to get the 5K

Hey jjinfla,

Based on what I see on the IPT website, (Results from Boston area, the 3rd IPT Qualifier).
The following is a quote from the IPT website.

"Cliff Joyner - Won $5,000 for running six consecutive racks. Won $500 bonus for getting eight ball on the break."

Cliff was the only player in Boston to run 6 racks.

2nd IPT Qualifier: Los Angeles, CA (2-6 Pack Winners),

Chia-Ching Wu & Oliver Ortmann.

1st IPT Qualifer: Marietta, GA (I need some help with this one!) Please correct me if I'm wrong: As I recall there was 3 or 4 players at this event, that earned bonus money for running 6 racks (Break and Runs).

Will the IPT Please add an "ARCHIVE FILE for past results".

"Have a nice day",
Lamar
 
There were three in Marietta, I believe - Peach on Friday, Van Boening on Saturday, and someone else (I forget who) on Sunday...?
 
ScottW said:
There were three in Marietta, I believe - Peach on Friday, Van Boening on Saturday, and someone else (I forget who) on Sunday...?

Hey ScottW,
Thanks for your support & HELP!

"Have a nice day",
Lamar
 
laMar25,

At the start of the 4th qualifier I believe Deno made an announcement, sent out an e-mail, to the fact that since the pockets are so big at the Boston qualifier that they would have to run 7 racks to get the 5K.

If you look at day 1, 11:49 sportswriter blog it is explained there.

I believe where they state that Joyner ran 6 racks that is a misprint and should be 7 racks. But then I might be mistaken.

I agree, the IPT website should have an archive.

Jake
 
The pockets in the main room at Hard Times were 4.25 inches and there were NO six consecutive rack runs. The 6 racks by Ortmann and Wu came from the adjacent room where the pockets were 4.5 inches.
 
jjinfla said:
laMar25,

At the start of the 4th qualifier I believe Deno made an announcement, sent out an e-mail, to the fact that since the pockets are so big at the Boston qualifier that they would have to run 7 racks to get the 5K.

If you look at day 1, 11:49 sportswriter blog it is explained there.

I believe where they state that Joyner ran 6 racks that is a misprint and should be 7 racks. But then I might be mistaken.

I agree, the IPT website should have an archive.

Jake

Hey Jake,
You Are Correct!
I was going by what I saw on the Bonus money click.

"Have a nice day",
Lamar
 
lamar25 said:
Hey jjinfla,

Will the IPT Please add an "ARCHIVE FILE for past results".

"Have a nice day",
Lamar


Hey Lamar, I was just told if you go to the IPT site, click on the schedule link, you will find an archive link at the top.

Shame on us for thinking the IPT would fail to have such an important link on their site. LOL

Jake
 
Marop said:
The pockets in the main room at Hard Times were 4.25 inches and there were NO six consecutive rack runs. The 6 racks by Ortmann and Wu came from the adjacent room where the pockets were 4.5 inches.

are you sure about this? it's always been 4.5 inchesin the tournament room, and 5 out there on the bangers side. did they change it?
 
enzo said:
are you sure about this? it's always been 4.5 inchesin the tournament room, and 5 out there on the bangers side. did they change it?

I put 2 balls side by side in one of the pockets on one of the tables they were using outside the tournament room and the snugged up at the entry (4.5 inches). Did the same on table 10 in the tournament room and they were about a 1/4 of inch from even starting to go in.

Bill
 
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