Scuttlebutt in Wyoming

JAM

JAM

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Heard it through the grapevine that there was a four-man split with four competitors in the tournament recently held in Wyoming.

They agreed -- BEFOREHAND -- to split their prize monies four ways. They still each played for the win, though, so there was no monkey business.

Hearsay is that Mark Haddad had a little run-in with Charlie Williams when Charlie Williams was down 5 to 2 in the semifinals. Charlie started bad-mouthing Mark, calling him a few choice names. Naturally, the guy putting on the tournament stuck up for Charlie. Automatically, Mark was in the wrong, if you catch my drift, at this Dragon Promotions event. Seems like Charlie had a few people behind him as well. Mark, more or less, called him outside, but nothing happened. Then the owner texted Mark or called him and told him that he was no longer welcome in his tournament.

There's three sides to the story. I'm sure there's Charlie's side, but let's remember that Charlie was down 5 to 2 when the whole brouhaha started.
 
Orly?? Sounds to me that Dragon breath is at it again. One of these days he's gonna do that to the wrong person and they're gonna bust his lip. When it does I hope chewbacca isnt around to rescue him again. What a turd
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RunoutJJ said:
Orly?? Sounds to me that Dragon breath is at it again. One of these days he's gonna do that to the wrong person and they're gonna bust his lip. When it does I hope chewbacca isnt around to rescue him again. What a turd
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I guess if I had Rodney Morris standing behind me as protection, as well as a player nicknamed "AK-47," I could mouth off and say whatever I felt like too. ;)

Rodney is one man I would *NEVER* want to piss off. He is a gentle giant, but he's also part of the Dragon team. Charlie knows how to pick 'em.
 
JAM said:
Heard it through the grapevine that there was a four-man split with four competitors in the tournament recently held in Wyoming.

They agreed -- BEFOREHAND -- to split their prize monies four ways. They still each played for the win, though, so there was no monkey business.

Hearsay is that Mark Haddad had a little run-in with Charlie Williams when Charlie Williams was down 5 to 2 in the semifinals. Charlie started bad-mouthing Mark, calling him a few choice names. Naturally, the guy putting on the tournament stuck up for Charlie. Automatically, Mark was in the wrong, if you catch my drift, at this Dragon Promotions event. Seems like Charlie had a few people behind him as well. Mark, more or less, called him outside, but nothing happened. Then the owner texted Mark or called him and told him that he was no longer welcome in his tournament.

There's three sides to the story. I'm sure there's Charlie's side, but let's remember that Charlie was down 5 to 2 when the whole brouhaha started.
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We need more details!

Why was CW bad-mouthing Mark? Who were the four players colluding on chopping the prize fund?
 
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PoolSharkAllen said:
We need more details!

Did Mark beat CW? Why was CW bad-mouthing Mark? Who were the four players colluding on chopping the prize fund?
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"Charlie Williams was down 5 to 2 in the semifinals. Charlie started bad-mouthing Mark...Then the owner texted Mark or called him and told him that he was no longer welcome in his tournament".
http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2012.php?eventnum=133

Go Dragon! Kill pro-pool!

And some happiness... Amar with a fine showing. That's one smooth dude.
 
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Black-Balled said:
...And some happiness... Amar with a fine showing. That's one smooth dude.
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For sure, "Omar," as I fondly call him, has recently been making a comeback on the pool tournament trail. We spoke to him a month or two ago, and he stated that pool has always been a passion, and he wants to give it his all once again to see if he can make his mark in pool. The kid does have talent.

He traveled to Wyoming with Rodney, so he's got a good mentor. :smile:
 
JAM it shouldn't matter whom you are with to act in this way but he's the savior or pro pool now isnt he?? At least in his mind he is...

I dont get it wasnt Charlie part of the chop up?? If so then why pull this type of crap?? Oh I get it... Charlie is just a snotty nose prat then :rolleyes:
 
JAM said:
Well, three out of the four of them, I know for sure, are ABP members. ;)
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If there was collusion in chopping the prize fund, most likely it was among CW, Rodney and possibly Raj.

I know you said, "They still each played for the win, though, so there was no monkey business"; however, this collusion strikes me as being unethical and bad for the image of our sport.
 
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If there was collusion in chopping the prize fund, most likely it was among CW, Rodney and possibly Raj.
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What I find interesting is how the ABP makes all these demands on tournament promoters, like Barry Behrman at the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship, wanting this their way, wanting that their way, and then at this event, the Wyoming Open, the ABP members do a chop-chop.

I'm not saying anything is illegal about a chop-chop, but if they are making demands on others to do the right thing as a professionally run tournament, well, doing the chop-chop, to put it bluntly, just ain't professional.

I understand the "why," but I think as ABP members, this gives the appearance of unprofessionalism. And that's okay, I guess. I think by now, most may realize the ABP is unprofessional. So why should tournament promoters pay them any mind?
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
According to the article, CW did come from behind to win 7-6.
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I heard, again, hearsay, that Mark thinks Charlie deliberately, with malice aforethought, sharked him when Charlie was down 5 to 2. Mark believes, again, hearsay, that Charlie went to college for psychology, and that this was a ploy used by him to get into his head.

That said, a good pool player should be able to overcome sharks and ploys, but as an ABP member, Charlie Williams shouldn't have to reduce himself to these tactics, if, in fact, this is what happened. :p
 
Chopping 4-ways is pretty amazing to me. Add 1-4 prize money and you get $2175 each.

Second place was $2400; so I guess you aren't comfortable enough with your game to be in the top 2 out of the 4? :confused:

Hey I get it in case you are worried about finishing 4th for $1300..... Seems to me like playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Maybe I'm wrong.....
 
Ive known Amar since 2000 and I really hope he doesnt fall into this bologna. You wanna chop things up than fine!! Do it behind closed doors and keep yoru trap shut and check your ego. Its not like they're gonna eat right through the $2,175 they cashed in on :rolleyes:
 
RobMan said:
Chopping 4-ways is pretty amazing to me. Add 1-4 prize money and you get $2175 each.

Second place was $2400; so I guess you aren't comfortable enough with your game to be in the top 2 out of the 4? :confused:

Hey I get it in case you are worried about finishing 4th for $1300..... Seems to me like playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Maybe I'm wrong.....
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Well, one thing I know for sure, the 4th place winner was most definitely *not* in the chop-chop. :grin:

But one of the fifth place winners pocketed a little bit more than the 5th place payout, so it was a good deal if you came in 5th place to be a part of the chop-chop. ;)
 
RunoutJJ said:
Ive known Amar since 2000 and I really hope he doesnt fall into this bologna. You wanna chop things up than fine!! Do it behind closed doors and keep yoru trap shut and check your ego. Its not like they're gonna eat right through the $2,175 they cashed in on :rolleyes:
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For sure, and after expenses, how much was really profit? A little bone with not much meat on it. :o
 
JAM said:
Well, one thing I know for sure, the 4th place winner was most definitely *not* in the chop-chop. :grin:

But one of the fifth place winners pocketed a little bit more than the 5th place payout, so it was a good deal if you came in 5th place to be a part of the chop-chop. ;)
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Ahhh .. well that makes since if you are 5th for sure!

Still, I think players should play for the win. But I do get the angle of securing a guarantee; especially since the $$ winnings are relatively low.

But as JJ stated --- do it IN PRIVATE at the end! Let us poor saps at least feel like we are watching champions......
 
RobMan said:
Ahhh .. well that makes since if you are 5th for sure!

Still, I think players should play for the win. But I do get the angle of securing a guarantee; especially since the $$ winnings are relatively low.

But as JJ stated --- do it IN PRIVATE at the end! Let us poor saps at least feel like we are watching champions......
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I hate to say it, but the truth is the truth. This happens is almost every tournament I have ever attended, to include the U.S. Open.

Sometimes players make savers with each other, like 10 percent. That way, if one of them loses, at least his 10-percent saver might help with expenses. Usually, it is friends that do this, but it has become kind of a trend in pool tournaments today. In fact, it's rampant.

One player who came in 3rd place at a Joss event at Turning Stone several years ago had so many savers that after he did the chop-chop with his stakehorse, e.g., entry fee, hotel expenses, food, paid out the three savers he made, he didn't pocket one penny. In fact, he approached one of the players he made a saver with after he paid him the saver and asked if the player would loan him a couple hundred dollars, because he was broke.

Sadly, the expenses to attend some of the events are brutal, and so savers and chop-chops have become the norm.
 
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