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Shane Van Boening Aiming System - 05-28-2012, 09:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK-kIEzEXQ0


Take a look at this video and please give me some input on what Van Boening explains as his aiming system. There was a hour long session out in California that was on YouTube for a bit and then taken off. I got a chance to watch it before it was deleted. It goes a little further in depth but the video link above is the close I could get.


It sounds so simple but I believe from what he explains this information will not make change your game over night. You will have to practice this system a long time!

Thanks in advance for the input!!


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05-29-2012, 03:27 AM

I don't think there is any more to cover then what is in these two threads.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showth...+aiming+system

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showth...+aiming+system


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05-29-2012, 06:41 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK-kIEzEXQ0


Take a look at this video and please give me some input on what Van Boening explains as his aiming system. There was a hour long session out in California that was on YouTube for a bit and then taken off. I got a chance to watch it before it was deleted. It goes a little further in depth but the video link above is the close I could get.


It sounds so simple but I believe from what he explains this information will not make change your game over night. You will have to practice this system a long time!

Thanks in advance for the input!!


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The most important thing that I got from that video was that regardless of whether versions of that system already exist, Shane created it for himself, on his own. That's what makes it so powerful for him. It's his system.
  
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05-29-2012, 07:03 AM

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The most important thing that I got from that video was that regardless of whether versions of that system already exist, Shane created it for himself, on his own. That's what makes it so powerful for him. It's his system.
That s how i see it, too. Everyone who *learns* somehow a system has to work with it-and make it work for him- no matter which system may be. Some guys forget, that also the way you stroke does matter. Perhaps sometimes just nuances can make a big difference!


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05-29-2012, 08:53 AM

I've been using this system for a few months now. And IMO..its the BEST system out there. It's the missing ingredient in my game. THANKS Shane!
  
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05-29-2012, 03:39 PM

Shane did not create this system, its been around for a couple of decades.

It works and works well. I have been using it for at least the last 14 years. The system makes sense and is logical.

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05-30-2012, 11:15 AM

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BASICALLY, left cut, aim the left edge of the ferrule to the right edge of the ob. Right cut, aim the right edge of the ferrule to the left edge of the ob.
That's not what I understand him to say:

Hard cut to the left (1/4 ball hit), line up the left side of the shaft with the right edge of the OB. Medium cut to the left (1/2 ball hit), line up the center of the shaft to the right edge of the OB. Slight cut to the left (3/4 ball hit), line up the right edge of the shaft with the right edge of the OB.

And, naturally, just the opposite for cuts to the right.
  
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05-30-2012, 01:39 PM

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That's not what I understand him to say:

Hard cut to the left (1/4 ball hit), line up the left side of the shaft with the right edge of the OB. Medium cut to the left (1/2 ball hit), line up the center of the shaft to the right edge of the OB. Slight cut to the left (3/4 ball hit), line up the right edge of the shaft with the right edge of the OB.

And, naturally, just the opposite for cuts to the right.
I agree that the 1/2 ball hit is center of shaft to edge of object ball. But the other two are closer to 3/8-ball hit (outer edge of shaft to edge of object ball) and 5/8-ball hit (inner edge of shaft to edge of object ball).

What's important here, of course, is the player repeatedly, consistently makes the translation between the cut angle that can be seen from above and one of these convenient references that can be seen from down low.

Up high to down low; angle to overlap
Up high to down low; angle to overlap

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Anything that forces you to be aware of these two perspectives in close proximity in a repeatable way will be beneficial.
  
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05-30-2012, 04:02 PM

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Did you miss the BASICALLY in capitol letters, and the rest of the post??
Not at all, Neil. But you made no mention of the fact that he variably uses either edge of the shaft or the center line of the shaft for cuts that are all in the same direction, all depending on the severity of the cut. No offense meant, but this is not quite the way you worded it. Just trying to clarify is all, not saying you don't understand it.

Mike, I'll go with what you say about the amount of the OB ball hit, I was just using those numbers as an example of increasing severity of cut angle. You obviously have a better handle on the actual angles than I do.

At any rate, I found this to be a pretty interesting method. I've never used any sort of aiming system, not even ghost ball. They all confuse the Bejeezus out of me. However, this method seemed simple enough to understand, so I went down to the table and played with it a bit. I think it will be useful to me for certain shots, but I think there will still be lots of adjustments to make depending upon shot distance, speed, spin, etc.
  
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bert kinister - 05-30-2012, 05:15 PM

he teaches this method. left or right edge to the contact point to a certain degree cut. center of shaft to contact point up to certain angle. i worked with it and it does give a good 'framework' to go off of. i still believe envisioning the cb to contact point with a hair of outside english on cut shots is the simplest most effective way


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Something else about this aiming method (which has been around a long time), I've often wondered if Lassister aimed this way because he liked having his ferrule red. I have noticed that at my age it can be a little difficult to clearly define the white of the ferrule from the white of the cb quickly. Coloring the ferrule could be quite a help with this system.
How about those light and dark striped wooden ferrules that I've seen at least one maker using on his cues? The idea is that a wooden ferrule reduces tip end mass, and therefore, deflection. However, it seems you could refine this aiming system by having more "edges" across the shaft diameter to use.
  
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How about those light and dark striped wooden ferrules that I've seen at least one maker using on his cues?
I use Laminated Maple Ferrules on all my shafts and the aiming edges are stellar.

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