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straight parts, not so straight roll - 06-20-2012, 04:41 PM

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Just what is it that would allow the shaft and the butt to roll straight separately but when you put them together the tip flops around like a fish?
OK, maybe it's not that bad, but the butt does roll straight as far as I can tell, and I have watched it many times trying to figure this out. The shaft does have a slight (what do they call it?) - a taper roll, not much at all, maybe a small fish.
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06-20-2012, 04:52 PM

Could be your joint or shaft end are not faced off right.


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06-20-2012, 04:58 PM

Like Tom mentioned, the joint faces might need some attention. If not the faces, sometimes the joint pin will bottom out in the shaft and not allow the faces to mate up completely - can happen for different reasons. A worst case scenario is a bent or incorrectly set pin.

The first two issue are easily fixes, the third is more involved.


  
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06-20-2012, 04:59 PM

Go to a cue repair man have him stick the pieces up between centers and face the butt and shaft that should fix it.

screw the cue together and hold it up to the light and look closely at where the cue goes together if you can see light between the faces or a gap then thats probably it.
  
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06-20-2012, 06:27 PM

I would agree that (at first blush) it sounds like the joint faces simply need to be trued up to each other.

You list your location as "Colorado" - I'm in the south Denver area and could help you out with that if my location is convenient for you.

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06-20-2012, 08:40 PM

Hi,

Roll it with the wrap on the rail and watch to see if the joint bobs up and down in the air.

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06-21-2012, 06:37 AM

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Gentlemen,
Just what is it that would allow the shaft and the butt to roll straight separately but when you put them together the tip flops around like a fish?
OK, maybe it's not that bad, but the butt does roll straight as far as I can tell, and I have watched it many times trying to figure this out. The shaft does have a slight (what do they call it?) - a taper roll, not much at all, maybe a small fish.
Thanks.
I think the gods are punishing you for rolling a cue on a pool table.
Or the rails of a pool table. Or the shipping crate of a pool table.
Or the floor under a pool table.

If it has a true taper roll, that should not make the tip end bounce.
If, however, the shaft is warped, that could do it.

Sight down the shaft like a rifle.

All will be revealed.

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06-21-2012, 07:28 AM

LOL, no doubt. All that rolling cues seems to achieve is putting the mo jo in your head. Not good for Your game, but sometimes It's hard to ignore a serious flop.

Chances are It's in the facings, but It could be in the taper roll just the same. If the two screw together really snug, then It could be a pin or insert issue as well, but It would have to be so snug, and/or out of alignment/bent, what have ya, that It isn't letting the faces seat properly.


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06-21-2012, 08:06 AM

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I think the gods are punishing you for rolling a cue on a pool table.
Or the rails of a pool table. Or the shipping crate of a pool table.
Or the floor under a pool table.

If it has a true taper roll, that should not make the tip end bounce.
If, however, the shaft is warped, that could do it.

Sight down the shaft like a rifle.

All will be revealed.

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Not a fan of rolling a cue to check for straightness, heh?
I agree, it's not the best method, but can be used for a quick determination of sorts.
In this particular case, the jnt. faces are suspect.
Connect the shaft & tighten. Roll the cue. It wobbles.
OK, now loosen the shaft about an 1/8 of a turn and roll it again.
If the wobble has now disappeared, it's likely that the jnt. needs faced.

People are very quick to think their pin is bent. Why, I don't know.
999 times out of 1,000 it's not the pin.
Try bending a 3" long pc of 5/16 or 3/8 stainless steel threaded rod and tell us how you make out.
You ain't going to do it by hand.

As to the pin bottoming-out and not allowing the faces to properly mate,
what CM drills the hole in the shaft the exact same depth as the length of the exposed pin?
"Oh, I'm trying to be more perfect than everyone else". Really???
And you never thought that at some point in the future, your perfect cue wouldn't need facings???

The cue in question, in this thread anyway, sounds as though the faces aren't true to one another.
A very light cut of the faces, usually .001" or less will remedy the flopping-fish syndrome.
If the cue is inspected properly, you may have to cut only one face.

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06-21-2012, 08:10 AM

Did the cue roll straight before ?


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06-21-2012, 08:15 AM

Before what???
The car crash?
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06-21-2012, 08:18 AM

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Did the cue roll straight before ?
The shaft is a recent acquisition, within the past couple of months. The cue I've had since the mid 90's. The original shaft has always had the slightest of bows, the kind you have to get right down to "roll level" to watch. Other shafts appear to roll straight when attached to this butt - for the most part. This new shaft when attached to other butts has the same "flop" appearance, but generally less severe, sometimes hardly noticeable.
  
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Before what???
The car crash?
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Before he bent the pin ?
If it rolled straight before, I guess we can rule out bad pin install.


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06-21-2012, 08:48 AM

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The shaft is a recent acquisition, within the past couple of months. The cue I've had since the mid 90's. The original shaft has always had the slightest of bows, the kind you have to get right down to "roll level" to watch. Other shafts appear to roll straight when attached to this butt - for the most part. This new shaft when attached to other butts has the same "flop" appearance, but generally less severe, sometimes hardly noticeable.
Process of elimination.
Your new shaft needs to be refaced.

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06-21-2012, 08:56 AM

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Process of elimination.
Your new shaft needs to be refaced.

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Or re-plugged and re-tapped.


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