Pro Pre-shot routine
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I personally feel that's Allison Fisher's Pre-shot routine gives her a lot of consistency and am a fan of a Pre-shot routine :thumbup: 
I personally feel that's Allison Fisher's Pre-shot routine gives her a lot of consistency and am a fan of a Pre-shot routine :thumbup:
im not an instructor but i think she is very sound fundamentally
IMHO this can not be answered because among professional players so much of their natural ability to play the game has been or is being realized about as fast as it can be. I think the question connotes that either (correct me if I am wrong) 1) that a pro would do better with another pro’s PSR or 2) that an armature player would do better with 1 pro players PSR than another’s.
I don’t think either can be said definitively. If you are looking for a great player to copy I would go with the one I understood the best; this will probably turn out to be a very “fundamentally sound” PSR. The variances in the PSR’S among pro players has led me to the conclusion that there is no “best” PSR (at least not for everyone). Byrne says (or very close to this) “watch the pro’s play and you will see lots of different types of strokes, bridges, stances and routines; concentrate on what they all do that is the same, not the differences”
Fisher’s is such a routine; haven’t seen her recently but I think it’s: address, 4x-7x warm-up (for “gimmie” money balls I have seen 2x) strokes, a short “set”, PAUSE and finish. It is so repeating that it has beauty all its own. It is too long for me, I would get out of rhythm quickly, I use closer to Villiareal(sp?), Morris, Strickland and others that are: address, 2x warm-up strokes, slow pullback and freeze.
The SPF people might disagree with me and that’s just fine, SPF is an absolutely wonderful method that works great for soooo many players that one cannot possibly knock it. I would encourage anyone to (to quote Byrne again) “stick to more common, correct and practical methods, at least at 1st” a method like SPF fits this bill perfectly, many of those pros have just developed some of that stuff through many years of daily practice because of something specific to them. It may be great but it may or may not work for you.
Max Eberle's is top notch.
the part i highlighted is a form of spf to me(again im not am instructor)
after your 2 warm up strokes im going to assume a brief stop or SET
and then the transition from your back swing to the foward swing there will probably be a PAUSE(however slight)
and then you FINISH(freeze)
yes??
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The ones who win the most. No joke. I'm not kidding.
Or would you rather an answer from someone saying that certain pros have the best pre shot routine but they don't win very much.
Wouldn't that be like saying the operation was a success but the patient died?
If I could pick any one that I wanted to take a lesson from, it would be Fran Crimi. She so tells it like it is. Good for her. That is a rarity in these times.
If you can't get a lesson with someone like Fran, I highly recommend Lee Brett's DVD "The Secret Art of Pool". Lee is a coach to the pros and goes into a lot of detail explaining pre shot routine. Its, with out a doubt, the best instructional dvd I've ever bought, well worth the money.
Thank you for the nice words.
Could you go ahead and explain the SPF Method for me......thanks.
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:thumbup: Awesome answer Fran!
would you consider efren a "model" to emulate??he wins alot if not the most)
he wins but ill let you comment on his stroke and shot routine
I think Efren's stroke and routine is the best that ever was. His stance/preshot is quite amazing. Exact same every single time.... and his feet placement are perfect. His stroke is also laser straight and perfect.
Just because someone loops their stroke does not make it incorrect or wrong. A lot of pros stroke that way and it's not because they never had a lesson --- it's because that works best for them. Anything that isn't a perfect pendulum does not equate to "poor fundamentals" as long as the stroke is straight and consistent. Poor fundamentals results in delivering the cue crookedly or on the wrong vector. Someone might "loop" to get really loose, more so than a pendulum or piston.
I always reject the notion that someone can stroke straight super consistently and have "poor fundamentals." Their fundamentals may not be for everyone, but they're perfect for them (and maybe some others).
That's why I think we should de-program ourselves on what "book fundamentals" are. I think good teachers can adapt with their students. See how they perform with different styles. For example, I've always cradled my cue with my middle and ring finger and I've been experimenting with Busty's finger configuration he demonstrated during his TAR interview. It definitely provides a different feel and a more fluid flow of cue movement. I'm going to keep experimenting and adjusting.
As Nicklaus told Sergio while walking down the fairway (when mic'd up), "If you're not adjusting, you're not improving."
I agree w/ that. Keep an open mind.
Just because someone loops their stroke does not make it incorrect or wrong. A lot of pros stroke that way and it's not because they never had a lesson --- it's because that works best for them. Anything that isn't a perfect pendulum does not equate to "poor fundamentals" as long as the stroke is straight and consistent. Poor fundamentals results in delivering the cue crookedly or on the wrong vector. Someone might "loop" to get really loose, more so than a pendulum or piston.
I always reject the notion that someone can stroke straight super consistently and have "poor fundamentals." Their fundamentals may not be for everyone, but they're perfect for them (and maybe some others).
That's why I think we should de-program ourselves on what "book fundamentals" are. I think good teachers can adapt with their students. See how they perform with different styles. For example, I've always cradled my cue with my middle and ring finger and I've been experimenting with Busty's finger configuration he demonstrated during his TAR interview. It definitely provides a different feel and a more fluid flow of cue movement. I'm going to keep experimenting and adjusting.
As Nicklaus told Sergio while walking down the fairway (when mic'd up), "If you're not adjusting, you're not improving."
I agree w/ that. Keep an open mind.
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Well said and some of the things that I said just said better.
Yes
Well yes and no; the laws of physics dictate that when the backswing makes the transition to the forward swing it has to stop, well yes of course. The question is that of it being purposeful or not. For me this is not a “stage” of my PSR that has a purpose it is just something that must happen, not a conscious “part” of what I am INTENDING to do.
Yes; until the ball goes in the hole, hits the rail, I have to get out of the way of a moving ball cb/ob, the cb decelerates or I have some kind of audio or visual “cue” that tells me it is ok to get up.
but
Why would a somebody ask a nobody to explain something to a somebody that they know 10,000x more about than the nobody does? I can’t imagine the reason for this question; it confuses me to a degree that I must use emoticons. Sounds like you’re trying to get me to say something? That’s just a shot in the dark but I am just at a complete loss as to why you would ask this?????
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So I am forced to answer your question with a question. That is something I don’t normally do because I consider it rude and I a big advocate of politeness. I am not trying to be rude I am not trying to be “smart”; in fact I am really trying the opposite. I know you know and you know that I know and I know that you know that I know this we all know, but I have to ask anyway because it’s the only way to explain myself.
I may be in complete error and I will freely admit to that right off the bat; what does SPF stand for?