Break Stats -- TAR 28 Day 1 (7/13/12), Deuel vs. Schmidt 8-Ball

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Here are the results from Day 1, won by Corey 15-11.

The conditions for this call-shot 8-ball match included the following: Diamond Smart Table with 4 1/8" corner pockets, Simonis 860 cloth that is not new, player has choice of Magic Rack or Delta 13 rack, winner breaks, breaker racks for himself, table open after the break, breaker has choice of spotting the 8-ball or re-breaking if he makes the 8-ball on the break, ball in hand anywhere after a foul on the break, and jump cues not allowed.


Corey broke 15 times, with the following results:
Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 7 (47%)​
Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 1 (7%)​
Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 1 (7%)​
Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 6 (40%)​

John broke 11 times, with the following results:
Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 3 (27%)​
Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 0 (0%)​
Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 1 (9%)​
Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 7 (64%)​

For the two players combined, a ball was made on the break (without fouling) 11 of the 26 games (42%), the breaker won 12 of the 26 games (46%), and the breaker won 10 of the 11 games in which he made a ball on the break (91%).

Break-and-run games:
Corey -- 5 out of 15 (33%)​
John -- 1 out of 11 (9%)​
Total -- 6 out of 26 (23%)​

Edit: Justin (in post # 4) says they decided to allow jump cues; I thought I had heard the opposite. But, as Justin says, no one used one anyway.
 
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wrickyb

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Jump Question

In the update thread they indicated that Jump Cues could be used. Is that correct or did they miss type it:

"Corey and John flip to see if jump cues are allowed.
Then Justin says jump cues allowed. lol."



AtLarge said:
Here are the results from Day 1, won by Corey 15-11.

The conditions for this call-shot 8-ball match included the following: Diamond Smart Table with 4 1/8" corner pockets, Simonis 860 cloth that is not new, player has choice of Magic Rack or Delta 13 rack, winner breaks, breaker racks for himself, table open after the break, breaker has choice of spotting the 8-ball or re-breaking if he makes the 8-ball on the break, ball in hand anywhere after a foul on the break, and jump cues not allowed.


Corey broke 15 times, with the following results:
  • Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 7 (47%)
  • Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 1 (7%)
  • Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 1 (7%)
  • Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 6 (40%)

John broke 11 times, with the following results:
  • Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 3 (27%)
  • Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 0 (0%)
  • Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 1 (9%)
  • Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 7 (64%)

For the two players combined, a ball was made on the break (without fouling) 11 of the 26 games (42%), the breaker won 12 of the 26 games (46%), and the breaker won 10 of the 11 games in which he made a ball on the break (91%).

Break-and-run games:
  • Corey -- 5 out of 15 (33%)
  • John -- 1 out of 11 (9%)
  • Total -- 6 out of 26 (23%)
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wrickyb said:
In the update thread they indicated that Jump Cues could be used. Is that correct or did they miss type it:

"Corey and John flip to see if jump cues are allowed.
Then Justin says jump cues allowed. lol."
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In the middle of a game Corey asked if jump cues were allowed. It never occurred to anyone before the match to think of it. I dont care how they play so I was open to whatever...flip for it, foot race or roshambo to decide I dont care. Then I thought "That would be pretty goofy" So I asked if jump cues are legal in BCAPL play and they are so we went with jump cues in the set.

End of the day no one used one anyway. It was kind of a funny moment. I'm sure someone will say its the reason pool is going to hell in a hand basket.
 
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Slh said:
as expected we didn't see a run out fest
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33% run out percentage on that table is strong. The best during the IPT was around 50% I think and those tables were a lot easier.
 
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jason said:
33% run out percentage on that table is strong. The best during the IPT was around 50% I think and those tables were a lot easier.
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I agree 33% is a good result but Corey was complaining because he thought with the open table after the break we would see a run out fest, this didn't happen. However I think the b&r is low not only because the table is tight and both players missed some balls but also because the table is breaking very hard and it was very difficult to make balls on the break. If the table was breaking easier I think we could have see an higher b&r percentge.
 
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sammylane12 said:
Seems like an awful low break and run percentage for Schmidt playing 8 ball.
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He broke dry or fouled 8 times out of 11 tries; not a good break night for John. Of the 3 times when he got to shoot after the break, he ran out once.

Also, please note that the stats in post #1 represent only 26 games. This probably is too small a number to make any grand statistical conclusions (except that John had a bad night breaking).
 
Celtic

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sammylane12 said:
Seems like an awful low break and run percentage for Schmidt playing 8 ball.
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I am pretty sure he had 2 break and runs early in the match. One he made an 8-ball which he spotted and he ran out, another he made a ball in the side pocket and he got out. He did both before the score went past 4-2.

He was breaking pretty well right in the beginning but his break collapsed on him. He was putting alot of effort into it at the start and really focusing on popping it and bringing back the cueball straight like a good 10-ball break. Later both him and Corey were losing the cueball and not hitting the 1-ball square and it killed their production on their break just like it does in 10-ball when you start missing the break like that.
 
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So Celtic....did you enjoy your 8-ball porn. I was thinking of you during the slow safety exchange moments...Celtic must love this shit.
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Celtic said:
I am pretty sure he had 2 break and runs early in the match. One he made an 8-ball which he spotted and he ran out, another he made a ball in the side pocket and he got out. He did both before the score went past 4-2. ...
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Nope, only one B&R for John. The game you are remembering where he made the 8-ball on the break was game #4, which went (by my notes) like this: John made the 8-ball and a stripe on the break (the 8 was spotted); John then chose stripes and pocketed three of them and missed; Corey pocketed 5 solids and missed; John ran out. The next game, game #5, was John's B&R game, which took the score to 4-1 John. [In game #6, John scratched on the break and Corey ran out.]
 
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AtLarge said:
Nope, only one B&R for John. The game you are remembering where he made the 8-ball on the break was game #4, which went (by my notes) like this: John made the 8-ball and a stripe on the break (the 8 was spotted); John then chose stripes and pocketed three of them and missed; Corey pocketed 5 solids and missed; John ran out. The next game, game #5, was John's B&R game, which took the score to 4-1 John. [In game #6, John scratched on the break and Corey ran out.]
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Hmm, I totally mis-remembered it, but I was watching it really late on the replay.
 
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