The Beauty of GhostBall Contact Patch

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I 'm so glad that I use ghost ball contact patch.

I never have to wonder what the degree of the angle is as it doesn't matter.

I never have to look right at the OB when aiming just straight ahead where the CB needs to go.

I never have to use a different system for combo's, caroms, banks or kicks as it can be used on all shots.

I never have to worry about where my feet or eyes are as it works from any shooting position.

I never have had the need for someone nor a DVD to explain it to me, it is so simple.

I never have to see the OB directly with CB to aim unlike other systems such as double the distance, fractional, and so on where the OB is needed for aiming unlike using a spot on the table.

The beauty is in it's simplicity.
 
I 'm so glad that I use ghost ball contact patch.

I never have to wonder what the degree of the angle is as it doesn't matter.

I never have to look right at the OB when aiming just straight ahead where the CB needs to go.

I never have to use a different system for combo's, caroms, banks or kicks as it can be used on all shots.

I never have to worry about where my feet or eyes are as it works from any shooting position.

I never have had the need for someone nor a DVD to explain it to me, it is so simple.

I never have to see the OB directly with CB to aim unlike other systems such as double the distance, fractional, and so on where the OB is needed for aiming unlike using a spot on the table.

The beauty is in it's simplicity.

Thats great!:smile:
 
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What is a ghostball contact patch? Is that a visible and tangible item that can be used with any shot? Is it something you have to place on the table before each shot? Are there any training aids such as the paper ARROW that are used with it?

Can I see some examples of how this ghostball patch works for kick shots and banks? Especially the multi-rail kicks please. I am definitely interested in learning a method that works for every shot.

Could you do some video on this? I am a visual learner and while your descriptions are always so clear I would love to see you demonstrate this method. I will even pay you for the time. Give me one hour of uncut video of you showing us all the power of your method over the wide range of shots and I will pay you $50 for that hour.



www.jbcases.com
 
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What is a ghostball contact patch? Is that a visible and tangible item that can be used with any shot? Is it something you have to place on the table before each shot? Are there any training aids such as the paper ARROW that are used with it?

Can I see some examples of how this ghostball patch works for kick shots and banks? Especially the multi-rail kicks please. I am definitely interested in learning a method that works for every shot.

Could you do some video on this? I am a visual learner and while your descriptions are always so clear I would love to see you demonstrate this method. I will even pay you for the time. Give me one hour of uncut video of you showing us all the power of your method over the wide range of shots and I will pay you $50 for that hour.



www.jbcases.com

I wondered this also,he sent me this.
It works great.:smile:
 

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What is a ghostball contact patch?

Maybe something that helps a ghost stop smoking? :rolleyes:

Duckie, sometimes you quack me up with your observations. :rotflmao1:

But please don't take offense. I'm just trying to entertain my bored self here on a Saturday night. :boring:

Roger
 
Maybe its an APA patch? I haven't heard of that one yet, but ya never know....

:p
 
It funny how people have no problem seeing imaginary lines, CTE this and that, contact points, I've never seen one on a ball, overlapping discs, double distance and various other things that require the use of ones visualization skills yet when someone says they use ghost ball,the first words are "How can you see something that doesn't exists?"

Well contact points don't exist, so how can one those? I've never seen one on a ball.

What points do you use for CTE? Are those points on the ball? So me the points on the ball you use. There aren't any.

If you don't know what ghost ball contact patch, maybe you need to research it a bit but it is much easier to make fun of the person and not the subject. It makes more sense that TOI, 3part pocket, fade the ball nonsense that everyone is now sucking up to in order to look cool.
FWIW
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=231742&highlight=aiming+isn't

I get.... I'm not trying to sell anything or make grand statements about how much your game will improve by using ghost ball therefore it must not work. Sine you don't need on going instruction to help you understand what's on the DVD, ghost ball just can't be useful way to aim.
 
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In a galaxy long ago and far away, people called that patch method (okay, some people) edge-to-edge aim. CTE kind of took that term away. I'm so confused reading the aiming forum by now that I don't know what to call it... "sectional aim"? Can't call it "ball fractions" either... I bet someone here knows what to call this (no jokes, please).

I do agree with you that looking at a real target (e.g. your "patch" on the OB) is easier for many players than looking at a space target above the cloth (e.g. ghost ball center for the intended aim of the CB). But for those who can use GB center, more power to them.
 
It funny how people have no problem seeing imaginary lines, CTE this and that, contact points, I've never seen one on a ball, overlapping discs, double distance and various other things that require the use of ones visualization skills yet when someone says they use ghost ball,the first words are "How can you see something that doesn't exists?"

Well contact points don't exist, so how can one those? I've never seen one on a ball.

What points do you use for CTE? Are those points on the ball? So me the points on the ball you use. There aren't any.

If you don't know what ghost ball contact patch, maybe you need to research it a bit but it is much easier to make fun of the person and not the subject. It makes more sense that TOI, 3part pocket, fade the ball nonsense that everyone is now sucking up to in order to look cool.
FWIW
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=231742&highlight=aiming+isn't

I get.... I'm not trying to sell anything or make grand statements about how much your game will improve by using ghost ball therefore it must not work. Sine you don't need on going instruction to help you understand what's on the DVD, ghost ball just can't be useful way to aim.

Aiming line, angle of approach, ghost pocket , pocket reflection or tangent line are not tangible either I think.
Neither does cue ball squirt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKjITnc9SKQ
That's actually a good video explaining squirt and aim line/ghost ball;.
 
Well contact points don't exist, so how can one those? I've never seen one on a ball.
Are you can't see contact patches either. You're guessing how far 1.125" is from the equator at a ball on many cuts. The center and edges of balls are the only objective points. The distance of 1.125" isn't what I'd call objective.

What points do you use for CTE? Are those points on the ball? So me the points on the ball you use. There aren't any.
The CENTER and the EDGE. The only two objective points on any sphere.
I can point to the edge at the equator or the center (base/top) of any ball. I can probably show you a bunch of different line lengths and you'd have no clue which one is 1.125" >>>>

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^^^ This is if your eyes are right on it. At any distance, the above lines appear way smaller. Therefore, it's a flat-out guess estimate on where exactly 1.125" is at any distance. Sure you can get really close --- but you can't knock CTE for being invisible when there are CLEAR objective visual reference points and your little cabbage patch doesn't have anything that's objective UNLESS you use the..........

BABE CRANFIELD ARROW:
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THEN, it's as objective as well.

If you don't know what ghost ball contact patch, maybe you need to research it a bit but it is much easier to make fun of the person and not the subject. It makes more sense that TOI, 3part pocket, fade the ball nonsense that everyone is now sucking up to in order to look cool.
FWIW
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=231742&highlight=aiming+isn't

I get.... I'm not trying to sell anything or make grand statements about how much your game will improve by using ghost ball therefore it must not work. Sine you don't need on going instruction to help you understand what's on the DVD, ghost ball just can't be useful way to aim.

I'm not making fun of the GB contact patch, I pointing out its inherent weakness. The simplicity in the concept (1 1/8" off the OB equator) is in reality what makes it so complex; which is also why many people never improve with those concepts and move on to aiming systems.

The bottom line is no one gives a shit about what you say or what I say or what anyone says---- people DO give a shit about what CJ has to say because he offers interesting perspectives on topics because he played the game at the highest level. When you're trying to earn your league B&R patch, that guy was beating the world on the road for tons of cash.

We all get that you love the contact patch-- that's great. People get I like to pivot aim (nice). The bottom line is people can keyboard-play all they want and chalkboard all they want to prove that X and Y can't work -- but here you are knocking someone who's a legit champ trying to share what he feels works and you stuff it up his ass.

We should make a poll on who people want to listen to and learn from: DUCKIE vs CJ WILEY. Duck, you're a tiny little child amongst the presence of a REAL man when it comes to debating this game with CJ, pal. No post, no internet debate, no "talking point," no "contact patch," no "Babe Cranfield book" will ever change that.

Lou, PJ and a few others trying to chirp-in and back you and each other up in hopes of TRYING to make CJ look bad. But, you can duct-tape all of you guys together and you still don't have the knowledge and execution ability of one of his ass hairs, let alone his whole body. If he doesn't have any hair on his ass--- well, that's what you call "winning by default" and that's the only way any of you can get there on that one.
 
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In a galaxy long ago and far away, people called that patch method (okay, some people) edge-to-edge aim. CTE kind of took that term away. I'm so confused reading the aiming forum by now that I don't know what to call it... "sectional aim"? Can't call it "ball fractions" either... I bet someone here knows what to call this (no jokes, please).

I don't see how this paragraph has anything to do with what duckie is talking about.

I do agree with you that looking at a real target (e.g. your "patch" on the OB) is easier for many players than looking at a space target above the cloth (e.g. ghost ball center for the intended aim of the CB). But for those who can use GB center, more power to them.

duckie's method does not involve a patch "on the OB." He aims at a spot on the cloth where the ghost ball would sit.
 
I don't see how this paragraph has anything to do with what duckie is talking about.



duckie's method does not involve a patch "on the OB." He aims at a spot on the cloth where the ghost ball would sit.


Imagine that.:) Poor fellow...I mean poor brain.
 
Oh, come on. You know it's a valid method. He's just silly to promote it all the time as the only, or most, valid method.

It has some merit I guess.:grin:
I think besides connecting the balls there's some visual skills involved to,at least this is the way i see it at pocketing balls.The visual skill it would take to run table after table using strictly the gb would take a genius.
A duck could try but wont get to far before he's shot down.:)
 
Have there been world champions using ghost ball ?
Or the imaginary aiming line ?

Joey, I imagine by the time someone gets to world-champion caliber, he or she is no longer strictly observing much of any aiming system. He or she is likely just "feeling" the aim, just automatically connecting the two balls at the proper angle. The champion may well have used a formal system in his or her developmental period, but "hitting a million balls" has so inscribed the needed connections in their subconscious that aiming is just automatic; he or she no longer has a need to go step-by-step through an aiming "system."

As Jim Rempe said in the oft-mentioned 1995 Pool & Billiard Magazine article on aiming "I don't really visualize the [ghost] ball anymore, it's automatic."

Babe Cranfield was a world champion, and he advocated the "Arrow" as a ghost-ball training device, especially for newer players. Whether he established his point of aim in that manner (without the Arrow, of course) in his own play, I don't know.
 
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