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Watched some. Souquet beat a Chinese player 13 to 12. Any idea what the dimensions of the table and pocket sizes are? It was tough on both players.

Jim Eales
 
eales said:
Watched some. Souquet beat a Chinese player 13 to 12. Any idea what the dimensions of the table and pocket sizes are? It was tough on both players.

Jim Eales
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It looks like snooker rails and pockets on a pool table...Btw, where did u watch the videos?
 
the table size is 9x4.5 to be exact, but the pockets and rails are constructed as a snooker table. The rules they play is very similar to BCA/WPA 8 ball, the most noticable exception might be that you have to explicitly call the pocket on 8 ball. Souquet and Appleton both lost one rack due to this rule.
 
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The rules they play is very similar to BCA/WPA 8 ball, the most noticable exception might be that you have to explicitly call the pocket on 8 ball. Souquet and Appleton both lost one rack due to this rule.
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I can't quote the exact post because I can't get on Facebook here at work, but Darren just a few minutes ago posted a status update stating he was very upset at the way the officiating went in one or two of his matches regarding the "call the 8" rule. He states that twice he had shots on the 8 where even though the pocket was obvious he still, in keeping with the rules, announced his intended pocket only to be told afterwards by the referee that he did not call it and lost the game, and in one case match, as a result.
 
JayKidd said:
the table size is 9x4.5 to be exact, but the pockets and rails are constructed as a snooker table. The rules they play is very similar to BCA/WPA 8 ball, the most noticable exception might be that you have to explicitly call the pocket on 8 ball. Souquet and Appleton both lost one rack due to this rule.
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Actually Darren lost one game to the call 8 rule to put it at hill hill and then drilled the guy the next game to win the set. Then in Daz's next set the same thing happened on the double hill. Darren called the corner pocket and made it but the ref said he didn't call it!! Darren was pretty livid and argued for a solid 30 minutes about it but to no avail... the chinese player stole the set from him.

He posted about it on his FB wall. When I get a chance ill paste it here for everybody to see. Poor Darren got the shaft... Big time!! Aparently you're not allowed to win in communist china :rolleyes:
 
This is what Daz posted on Facebook:

Well prepare yourselfs for this .. Just when u think of playing 20years of pool u have seen it all .. Here goes .. First match I grind for 4 hrs .. Up 12-10 I run out ,8ball over pocket I say corner because got to call 8ball . I make it and ref says no u didn't call it I said I did etc so argue for ages I lose the rack 12-11 anyway 12-12 I make great finish and win 13-12 2nd match I play really good Chinese player down 5-2 9-7 11-8 I play great to hang in there 12-11 make big out to go 12-12 then break run out tough rack but leave tough 8ball long shot half ball cut in to top pocket it's the only pocket I can make the 8ball so I say corner pocket ,play pocket speed so if miss leave over pocket and still good chance to win anyway I make it and win the match 13-12 .. But wait for it ref says no I lose u don't call so my opponent celebrate obviously now am going absolutely nuts and big arguements for 30mins and some ppl even heard me call corner pocket but apparantly ref got to repeat to confirm ... Which obviously u didn't but am just totally focused on the tough 8ball .. Anyway in the end I lose the match even though I won ... Never seen or heard anything like it before in my life crazy .. Burgeled at the highest order cheated out if victory and on top of that two of my players I play cheated ... And showed bad sportsmanship .. I can't believe my opponent can even accept the win amazing ... That would have put me in semi final of winners side Gaz and Chris both on semi final .. Mick lost 13-11 in his 2nd match and we both go into losers side 9-12 bracket .. To be honest I feel like going home after the way I been treated today :-(
 
I missed the second time Daz caught by the rule, it wasn't streamed online. But it sure put the Chinese players in advantage since they merely need to say it in Chinese. While foreigners were resorting to either pointing with cue or ,in Ken Doherty's case, slapping pockets angrily with his hand.

I know for sure that the refs reviewed video tapes of the 1st round game that Daz lost to the rule and they couldn't tell which pocket he called.

If the hill-hill game in the 2nd round, Daz only said "cornet pocket" in English, I think it would be missed in the tape too. Since the refs don't speak much English.
 
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pocket patch needed!

I was just looking around online and found an older TV 8 ball match between Efren and Mark Jarvis where the referee placed an object on the pocket once the pocket was called to confirm what was called by the shooter. Looked to work better for preventing confusion on everyone's part. Too bad they didn't do that at this tournament as it would have at least shown Darren visually what the referee thought he said with the current language barrier present. I'm sure he was absolutely shocked and felt like he'd gone crazy. Reminds me a bit of when you patch a pocket for example playing in a league and someone(other player, drunk passer by) knocks it off the table...intentionally or not and then when the other team notices the patch was not there while the ball was in motion calls the foul.

Note: paper coasters make lousy unstable hard to see when your down on a shot pocket patches :(

Just my 2cents.

Would love to see the video when it's available.

Kevin
 
exactly what I was suggesting on a Chinese pool forum as the new rule. a paper marker bearing a logo or something. If the ref do it every game, it would be a far more effective rule education for all, foolproof indeed.
 
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there will be some HD videos released a couple of weeks from now. I've heard that all tables were video taped.
 
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I think calling verbally, visually, or otherwise at that level is a bit silly. Isn't it enough if the shot is obvious to let it go without saying, and let the opponent or referee ask which pocket and ball if absolutely necessary. I've played a lot of 8 ball and straight pool and watched a lot of it played state side, and I've never seen it really become an issue.
 
There sure is justice, most posters on a popular Chinese pool forum were feeling ashamed and calling for reversal of the Appleton ruling.

For what it worth, the "call the 8 and wait confirmation from the ref" rule has been partially revoked at the beginning of the second day, now all the "obvious shots" don't need calling.
 
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Welcome to China. You will find that these things go on all the time here. Understand that this is the first event of it's kind and most likely most of these refs haven't really officiated 8-ball matches like this. The other player should never have accepted the win though. That's just very poor sportsmanship and I hope it haunts him all of his life.
 
English 8-ball is played on a similarly setup 7 ft. table - snooker cushions & pockets, no diamonds to aid aiming. Balls are 2", cue ball 1 7/8".

So, would Americans like playing on such tougher tables?
 
Chinese 8 ball is a chimera, 9ft pool table size, snooker slate, snooker rail, snooker pocket shape, using standard pool balls, no diamonds on the rails.
The ruleset is WPA with a few modifications.

here is the match of the 2nd round in the losers' bracket with Ken Doherty
http://sports.cntv.cn/20130104/101446.shtml
http://sports.cntv.cn/20130104/105836.shtml
http://sports.cntv.cn/20130104/107142.shtml


this is the 1st round match with Stenphen Hendry
http://sports.cntv.cn/20130104/100119.shtml
http://sports.cntv.cn/20130104/100058.shtml
 
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