Go Back   AzBilliards.com > Main Category > Main Forum
Reload this Page Vintage Minnesota fats tables
Reply
Page 2 of 7 12 34 Last »
 
Share Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old
  (#16)
Ralph Kramden
My table $ ~ My cue $$$
Ralph Kramden has a reputation beyond reputeRalph Kramden has a reputation beyond reputeRalph Kramden has a reputation beyond reputeRalph Kramden has a reputation beyond reputeRalph Kramden has a reputation beyond reputeRalph Kramden has a reputation beyond reputeRalph Kramden has a reputation beyond reputeRalph Kramden has a reputation beyond reputeRalph Kramden has a reputation beyond reputeRalph Kramden has a reputation beyond reputeRalph Kramden has a reputation beyond repute
 
Ralph Kramden's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 843
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Land of the free.. Only because of the brave
   
09-03-2013, 07:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by His Boy Elroy View Post
Rick,
What exactly is the AMF brand. I'll take a wild guess and say the M stands for Minnesota and the F stands for Fats.
Do a Google search for AMF pool tables. AMF made some decent tables.
I don't think the AMF logo has anything do with the name Minnesota Fats.


GAMES... http://sites.google.com/site/poolandbilliard/

TOI is aim perception, visualizing CB deflection into the OB.
Ghost ball gets you into the ball park.. CTE hits a home run.
SLAP.... Stun Line Aim Point for a CB traveling the stun line.

Caution: Suggestions should only be used at your own risk.
Paralysis by aiming analysis happens if you think too much.

To keep the cue level my pendulum stroke uses a wrist.
  
Reply With Quote

Old
  (#17)
His Boy Elroy
AzB Silver Member
His Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 248
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Apr 2013
   
09-03-2013, 07:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lfigueroa View Post
The problem is real life. You might have (probably didn't) get a quality table, but there are other possibilities. Making pool tables is a tricky business. Diamond went through sever iteration between supporting the slate properly and getting the rails right before they got it. It is not so easy.

Have you posted pictures?

Lou Figueroa
I don't have the equipment for pictures. It has 1 inch real slate, a wooden frame and the ball rolls very true. It's gone off level about 5 times over 42 years and I've had to go down there with a wrench and fix things. It was always very easy. I have simonis 760 on it and I was complaining in a thread over the weekend that although 760 is supposed to be fast, mine is not as fast as I want to be. Someone told me it's probably mighty fast and the problem is the cushions. I never thought of that. I haven't replaced the original ones. I'll have to do that. Other than that issue, I couldn't be happier with it.

Anyhow; if this thread stays up, someone is going to know something. I live in a suburb that borders the city limits of Chicago. There was a dealership that sold exclusively Minnesoata Fats tables in town. It was a fairly big place with many different tables and a big sign outside that said "Minnesota Fats pool tables." I doubt if it was the only dealership. We bought it in 1971 and we think the whole company went out of business shortly thereafter. Someone has to know something.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#18)
Mr. Bond
Orbis Non Sufficit
Mr. Bond has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Bond has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Bond has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Bond has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Bond has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Bond has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Bond has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Bond has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Bond has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Bond has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Bond has a reputation beyond repute
 
Mr. Bond's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 2,786
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Join Date: Jun 2010
   
09-04-2013, 08:38 AM

Fats was hired as the executive VP of the Pre-Vue Company in about 1964. They were based out of Winnipeg, Manitoba.

The "Minnesota Fats" line of tables included 30 different models ranging from $225 all the way up to $3000.
Of course there was also a whole range of accessories as well.

I don't see any evidence that the Fats brand was associated with Brunswick in any way.

The Pre- Vue Corporation started having financial difficulties in about 1982 and eventually went under.
...

In about 1992 the Fats brand was brought back to life by Abraham Stern of Skokie, IL ( Minnesota Fats Billiard Factory) but has since been sold off to somone else (DMI Inc ?) who still produces items under the Fats name.

Last edited by Mr. Bond; 09-04-2013 at 09:26 AM. Reason: to add info
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#19)
realkingcobra
Senior Member
realkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond repute
 
realkingcobra's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 10,208
vCash: 5785
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: On the road everywhere.
   
09-04-2013, 10:40 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by His Boy Elroy View Post
You don't get it. This is a high quality table; maybe not quite as high as the Brunswick "strictly play" tables from that era but still high quality. When they went out of business, obviously a completely different manufacturer bought the rights to the name and started making department store quality tables and stamped the name Minnesota Fats on them.
If you want the truth, and can handle the truth about this table, ask your question to the guys that actually have had to work on them, then you'll get some facts, and not thoughts ask the table mechanic's about this table in the "Talk to a mechanic" section...that's WHY it's here

Glen
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#20)
His Boy Elroy
AzB Silver Member
His Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 248
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Apr 2013
   
09-04-2013, 11:47 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Bond View Post
Fats was hired as the executive VP of the Pre-Vue Company in about 1964. They were based out of Winnipeg, Manitoba.

The "Minnesota Fats" line of tables included 30 different models ranging from $225 all the way up to $3000.
Of course there was also a whole range of accessories as well.

I don't see any evidence that the Fats brand was associated with Brunswick in any way.

The Pre- Vue Corporation started having financial difficulties in about 1982 and eventually went under.
...

In about 1992 the Fats brand was brought back to life by Abraham Stern of Skokie, IL ( Minnesota Fats Billiard Factory) but has since been sold off to somone else (DMI Inc ?) who still produces items under the Fats name.
Thank you very much. Chicago, of course, is where the smart people live. One poster said he remembers them being at Sears in the 70's. Maybe the $250 one but I doubt if they ever sold $3,000 table at Sears then or now. Adjusted for inflation 3,000 dollars in 1982 translates to $7,682 today. I'll betcha that $ 3,000 table was pretty good and the table my dad bought for $600 which translates to $3,460 today is pretty good. Now I can stop answering the question, "Does it have slate?" Thanks again.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#21)
His Boy Elroy
AzB Silver Member
His Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond reputeHis Boy Elroy has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 248
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Apr 2013
   
09-04-2013, 11:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by realkingcobra View Post
If you want the truth, and can handle the truth about this table, ask your question to the guys that actually have had to work on them, then you'll get some facts, and not thoughts ask the table mechanic's about this table in the "Talk to a mechanic" section...that's WHY it's here

Glen
Well; as I said in my first post, I posted it in the products forum first and so far it's got 93 views and 0 replies. The mechanics are in the same forum. I figure their watching.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#22)
mantis99
AzB Silver Member
mantis99 has a reputation beyond reputemantis99 has a reputation beyond reputemantis99 has a reputation beyond reputemantis99 has a reputation beyond reputemantis99 has a reputation beyond reputemantis99 has a reputation beyond reputemantis99 has a reputation beyond reputemantis99 has a reputation beyond reputemantis99 has a reputation beyond reputemantis99 has a reputation beyond reputemantis99 has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,579
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Manhattan, Illinois
   
09-04-2013, 11:53 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by His Boy Elroy View Post
I don't have the equipment for pictures. It has 1 inch real slate, a wooden frame and the ball rolls very true. It's gone off level about 5 times over 42 years and I've had to go down there with a wrench and fix things. It was always very easy. I have simonis 760 on it and I was complaining in a thread over the weekend that although 760 is supposed to be fast, mine is not as fast as I want to be. Someone told me it's probably mighty fast and the problem is the cushions. I never thought of that. I haven't replaced the original ones. I'll have to do that. Other than that issue, I couldn't be happier with it.

Anyhow; if this thread stays up, someone is going to know something. I live in a suburb that borders the city limits of Chicago. There was a dealership that sold exclusively Minnesoata Fats tables in town. It was a fairly big place with many different tables and a big sign outside that said "Minnesota Fats pool tables." I doubt if it was the only dealership. We bought it in 1971 and we think the whole company went out of business shortly thereafter. Someone has to know something.
f you have had it that long, feel it plays true, and enjoy playing on it, then what do you care what people think of the table, especially if you aren't looking to sell it? Continue to play pool on it and have fun.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#23)
DallasHopps
AzB Gold Member
DallasHopps has a reputation beyond reputeDallasHopps has a reputation beyond reputeDallasHopps has a reputation beyond reputeDallasHopps has a reputation beyond reputeDallasHopps has a reputation beyond reputeDallasHopps has a reputation beyond reputeDallasHopps has a reputation beyond reputeDallasHopps has a reputation beyond reputeDallasHopps has a reputation beyond reputeDallasHopps has a reputation beyond reputeDallasHopps has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 936
vCash: 0
iTrader: 15 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Augusta, GA
   
09-04-2013, 12:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by His Boy Elroy View Post
Well; as I said in my first post, I posted it in the products forum first and so far it's got 93 views and 0 replies. The mechanics are in the same forum. I figure their watching.
There is a section within this forum titled, verbatim, "Talk to a mechanic." I don't see a thread there.

I'll save you the time and effort of posing your question there, however. It's apparent that you're after a very specific answer, so here goes:

Wow, no way, you have a 60's Minnesota Fats table? That's awesome! They're super rare and valuable, otherwise every major event would be played on them. There was this one model... It cost like $600... that one was the ultra best table made. What, you have that one?!?! Woweeeeeeee!

Back in reality land, if there were some rogue MF tables worth playing on, they are the exception. That RKC guy who invited you to post your inquiry in the mechanic forum knows a thing or two... There's a good head start on all you need to know about your table in the subtext of his reply above.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#24)
OLD NO 9
AzB Silver Member
OLD NO 9 has a reputation beyond reputeOLD NO 9 has a reputation beyond reputeOLD NO 9 has a reputation beyond reputeOLD NO 9 has a reputation beyond reputeOLD NO 9 has a reputation beyond reputeOLD NO 9 has a reputation beyond reputeOLD NO 9 has a reputation beyond reputeOLD NO 9 has a reputation beyond reputeOLD NO 9 has a reputation beyond reputeOLD NO 9 has a reputation beyond reputeOLD NO 9 has a reputation beyond repute
 
OLD NO 9's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 152
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: May 2012
   
09-04-2013, 12:21 PM

In 1967 or 1968 I attended a Minnesota Fats exhibition where he was hawking pool related merchandise with his name on it. At the time he was touring the Montgomery Ward department stores that handled the goods. It seems to me that AMF had something to do with it. But that was a long time ago and the memory fades, besides I was a teenager at the time so who knows what I remember right?


“It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so.”
Ronald Reagan
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#25)
MSchaffer
AzB Gold Member
MSchaffer has a reputation beyond reputeMSchaffer has a reputation beyond reputeMSchaffer has a reputation beyond reputeMSchaffer has a reputation beyond reputeMSchaffer has a reputation beyond reputeMSchaffer has a reputation beyond reputeMSchaffer has a reputation beyond reputeMSchaffer has a reputation beyond reputeMSchaffer has a reputation beyond reputeMSchaffer has a reputation beyond reputeMSchaffer has a reputation beyond repute
 
MSchaffer's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 153
vCash: 1000
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2010
   
09-04-2013, 01:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by DallasHopps View Post
There is a section within this forum titled, verbatim, "Talk to a mechanic." I don't see a thread there.

I'll save you the time and effort of posing your question there, however. It's apparent that you're after a very specific answer, so here goes:

Wow, no way, you have a 60's Minnesota Fats table? That's awesome! They're super rare and valuable, otherwise every major event would be played on them. There was this one model... It cost like $600... that one was the ultra best table made. What, you have that one?!?! Woweeeeeeee!

Back in reality land, if there were some rogue MF tables worth playing on, they are the exception. That RKC guy who invited you to post your inquiry in the mechanic forum knows a thing or two... There's a good head start on all you need to know about your table in the subtext of his reply above.
I'll save you even more time: Your table is no good. It was no good then, and it is no good now. You paid $550 for the name and $50 for the table.

Don't believe me? Put it on Craiglist and see what kind of offers you get.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#26)
lfigueroa
AzB Silver Member
lfigueroa has a reputation beyond reputelfigueroa has a reputation beyond reputelfigueroa has a reputation beyond reputelfigueroa has a reputation beyond reputelfigueroa has a reputation beyond reputelfigueroa has a reputation beyond reputelfigueroa has a reputation beyond reputelfigueroa has a reputation beyond reputelfigueroa has a reputation beyond reputelfigueroa has a reputation beyond reputelfigueroa has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 7,649
vCash: 500
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Join Date: Oct 2005
   
09-04-2013, 01:09 PM

woo-wee. And people talk about me being acerbic. Here I was trying to be all diplomatic and all :-o

Lou Figueroa
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#27)
macguy
AzB Silver Member
macguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond repute
 
macguy's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 6,540
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Aug 2003
   
09-04-2013, 01:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by His Boy Elroy View Post
I posted this in the equipment forum a few days ago. it's gotten 75 views and 0 replies, so I'll post it here. I mentioned in a post that I play on a 1971 Minnesota Fats table. Not everyone was impressed. Seems from the 70's and still today, Fats tables were and are sold in department stores and they max out at $1300. We bought ours at a dealership that sold Fats tables exclusively. My dad tells me he paid $600 for it which translates to to $3460 today. He tells me they went out of business shorty after we bought ours. A poster tells me he remembers "Fats" tables at sears in the 70's so someone must have bought the name

Another poster vaguely recalls they might have had an affiliation with Brunswick and were basically Brunswick tables, albeit of lesser quality. That could be. I was at the dealership when we bought it. I was 11. I might be wrong, but I don't think there were any furniture tables at the dealership. So maybe Brunswick had only small number of strictly "play" tables compared to furniture tables as is the case today and "Fats" offered a large selection of "play tables that were less expensive than Brunswick's "play" tables. Any input would be appreciated.
If it is slate it may not be too bad. A lot of those tables had what they called a honeycomb. It was two slabs of masonite with a honeycomb between. It stayed pretty flat but it didn't have the weight and the tables felt weird when you played on them. I remember seeing Fats doing an exhibition on one of his tables and the balls were flying all over the place like the top was a trampoline or something. Back in the early 70,s when they came out you could get a Gandy Big G for about $1000.00 and as cheap as $700.00 if you bought a bunch to set up a room. Your dad may be not remembering correctly. I would love to see a picture of the table. I never throw anything away. I may have an old brochure for Fats tables somewhere around.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#28)
xplor
AzB Silver Member
xplor has a reputation beyond reputexplor has a reputation beyond reputexplor has a reputation beyond reputexplor has a reputation beyond reputexplor has a reputation beyond reputexplor has a reputation beyond reputexplor has a reputation beyond reputexplor has a reputation beyond reputexplor has a reputation beyond reputexplor has a reputation beyond reputexplor has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 303
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Sep 2012
   
09-04-2013, 01:47 PM

AMF made Harley Davidsons in 1969.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#29)
ENGLISH!
12 Tribes & 12 Disciples
ENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond repute
 
ENGLISH!'s Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 4,830
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Born in New Orleans, La. Living near there now.
   
09-04-2013, 01:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xplor View Post
AMF made Harley Davidsons in 1969.
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he has a 'Harley Davidson' table endorsed by Minnesota Fats.


"Love one another as I have loved you."

"Lord...forgive them... for they know not what they do."

I am not certified as an instructor. But I am certainly not a newbie as I've been playing the game for 48 years. I will certainly help where ever I can.
Please don’t blindly follow me or anyone. Please do your own research & be responsible for your own game.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#30)
macguy
AzB Silver Member
macguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond reputemacguy has a reputation beyond repute
 
macguy's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 6,540
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Aug 2003
   
09-04-2013, 02:11 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by His Boy Elroy View Post
Rick,
What exactly is the AMF brand. I'll take a wild guess and say the M stands for Minnesota and the F stands for Fats.
American Machine and Foundry
  
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 2 of 7 12 34 Last »

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.