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No wonder Matt Hughes beat the crap out of him in the UFC. He was too busy making cues...
Royce Gracie Custom Cue?
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No wonder Matt Hughes beat the crap out of him in the UFC. He was too busy making cues...
D'Oh!!
I saw one of these cues on the bay a few months ago and wondered what the story was with the name/maker.
Aaaaack, I didn't expect that. I've managed to avoid hearing the outcome for 2 weeks while waiting for a chance to watch it.... which I was just about to do this evening. Sonofa.BrooklynJay said:
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No wonder Matt Hughes beat the crap out of him in the UFC. He was too busy making cues...
I saw one of these cues on the bay a few months ago and wondered what the story was with the name/maker.
royce gracie cue???
i know a cue maker in the philippines named gracie diaz. he actually makes a pretty decent custom cue all by hand. i purchased 10 of his cues last year and sold 7 to customers in my local pool hall. people havent complained about the cue and i myself have shot with one and they play well. i always told people why spend $400+ for a manufactured cue when you can get a custom cue for that price or less. he has listed his cues on ebay before and i believe for the money you cant beat it. a custom cue with 2 shafts for $150-$350. in the industry today its pretty good.
i know a cue maker in the philippines named gracie diaz. he actually makes a pretty decent custom cue all by hand. i purchased 10 of his cues last year and sold 7 to customers in my local pool hall. people havent complained about the cue and i myself have shot with one and they play well. i always told people why spend $400+ for a manufactured cue when you can get a custom cue for that price or less. he has listed his cues on ebay before and i believe for the money you cant beat it. a custom cue with 2 shafts for $150-$350. in the industry today its pretty good.
guru you're not missing much, royce failed to connect a few kicks and they went to the ground where hughes grounded and pounded. not much to watch. imo royce doesn't ever train with anyone good enough to beat him, and that showed in his fight. his jiujitsu looked horrible.
Guru said:
Oops. Sorry about that. I figured everyone knew by now - and you really not missing much. It's probably one of the worst fights ever.
twilight said:
I'm not sure his training partners is his only problem, the Gracie clan is very proud and believe that their's is the best style, except for some no gee adaptations they pretty much stay true to the form that they made famous. Trouble is the rest of the world took all the best they had to offer and expanded it. Not to mention Matt is a freak and much much much stronger the Royce ever was, not to mention 1/2 his age. Also Royce is a HOF UFCer and famous from the early days, but he isn't one of the best the family has to offer, there are 3 or 4 other Gracie fighters that would have been a better match for Matt.
Jim
> I honestly expected a better fight from Royce than he gave,Matt put a good old-school beatdown on him,the kind that would have gotten broken up in a bar or in the street,even though he only took maybe 8-10 unanswered shots to the head. I'm now waiting for Matt to get it on with B.J. Penn again,along with the Sylvia/Arlovsky and Ortiz/Shamrock fights. I have 2 friends that are Gracie family trained/certified instructors,that told me the window was wide open if anyone wanted to bet on Royce,and the fight went pretty much exactly as they said it would. Word is that this performance has/will cause friction in the family,as in their eyes he gave a sub-par effort. Tommy D.
It a shame when the old guard tries to make a come back and gets beat down, especially a champion. The last Shamrock/Ortiz fight Tito kicked Shamrocks ass. I'd rather see the champions retire as winners and nothing worse then seeing a former champion get beat down and drag his ass out of the ring. This whole come back thing when these dudes are getting old or are old is sad.
HIRUN526 said:
I would agree, except that in MMA losing isn't that big of a deal, you aren't going to find a person going 30-0 like you can in boxing, to much can happen real quick. Also I disagree about Shamrock, Ken never won anything, they tried to pump him up early on but he would win a match and then drop out due to injury in those early tournament style UFC's and then they gave him a super fight and Gracie beat him. Also after watching him make a complete ass of himself in this years Ultimate Fighter show I hope Tito kicks his ass again. The best fighter in Ken's family is Frank anyway, to bad he retired. I think BJ Penn will give Matt a run for his money and as I already said anything can happen in MMA, but I still like Matt.
Jim
Tommy-D said:
Me too, considering BJ beat Matt on the ground pretty easily.
None of these fights excite me. I'd love to see Liddel get spanked by Wanderley Silva. Or vice versa. But, Chuck got spanked by Quinten Jackson.
For fantasies, a young Rickson Gracie vs. Matt Hughes. When it came to slam takedowns, Rickson was doing it long before there was a Matt Hughes.
Fred
JimBo said:
agreed. I meant to say that his jiu jitsu looked bad cause he doen't have anyone to train with that can put the beat down on him. There are dozen's of reasons why he lost, but his jiu jitsu looked worse than a blue belt's. No one training that long should have given his back.
The world already knows all their moves.JimBo said:
The Gracies also hit like sissies.
You see Royce work the mitts, you'd think he was a flyweight.
Ken Shamrock lost to Royce in the first UFC event in the US.
He wanted to get back to Royce but Royce dropped out of one UFC event after getting taken by Kimo Leopoldo to a long gruelling match.
Ken dropped out as soon as he heard Royce dropped out.
In the SuperFight between the two, Ken was robbed imo. It went the distance and was called a draw.
JoeyInCali said:
LOL I agree but I would not in public knock any Gracies.
Ken never got robbed, the only thing he did in that "super" match was to catch Royce with 1 shot, sure it left a mouse under his eye, but the fight (although very boring) was dominated by Royce on the mat, Ken did nothing to stop ROyce from taking him down and did nothing while on the mat. He far out weighed him and if you just look at the 2 you can clearly see who is stronger. I've seen Ken get his ass kicked in Pride as well, bottom line is Ken has never been a dominating fighter and if not for the WWE he'd have a few more MMA losses. Ken talks a good game and talks lots of shit, but he rarely backs it up. Tito will tear him apart once more, unless Ken catches him with a lucky shot early.
Jim
IMO, there is no better striker than Mirko "Crocop" Filipovic. His ground work is atrocious, but I think he would get the best of Tim Sylvia because Sylvia is a stand up guy too. The fight to watch would be Arlovski against Cro Cop. That would be an ugly war.
As far as the Gracie's, I believe they introduced a new aspect of MMA into UFC fighting, but their error is that their style has not evolved along with the sport of MMA. Royce was not beaten by Matt Hughes, he was beaten by Father Time and the evolution of MMA. Gracie had lost a lot of respect for denying that he tapped out to a choke in Pride Fighting Championship(Japan) vs Hidehiko Yoshida. Royce was agreat jiu-jitsu specialist when UFC was strictly brawlers and tough guys. Royce would wait for his opponent to get sloppy and he'd tie them up into a pretzel. These days fighters must be well rounded, not one dimensional. Royce got pounded, and truth be known, he'd have trouble punching out your grandmother, nevermind Matt Hughes. There are also theories that many of Royce's early UFC victories were staged, (See: Brawl - By Eric Krauss)
The theory contends that the brackets were fixed so that Royce would easily make it to the finals. The book contends that his legend was manufactured entirely by the old UFC management in hopes of creating more hype arpound the UFC, which was actually a fighting tournament, not separate 1 on 1 bouts at the time.
Today, the UFC is marketed and managed by Zuffa LLC, which is owned by the Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta of Las Vegas Nevada. Dana White and the Fertitta's have cleaned up the UFC and it is now sanctioned in 22 states and follows all state and federal regulations. In the new UFC, fighters such as Ken Shamrock and Royce Graciecannot survive. The upcoming Ortiz-Shamrock match will be a slaughter of mythic proportions - I hope Ken has health insurance. Instead of watching fight like that, I'd prefer to see better matchups such as Diego Sanchez vs Joe "Daddy" Stevenson. That would be one hell of fight.
As far as the Gracie's, I believe they introduced a new aspect of MMA into UFC fighting, but their error is that their style has not evolved along with the sport of MMA. Royce was not beaten by Matt Hughes, he was beaten by Father Time and the evolution of MMA. Gracie had lost a lot of respect for denying that he tapped out to a choke in Pride Fighting Championship(Japan) vs Hidehiko Yoshida. Royce was agreat jiu-jitsu specialist when UFC was strictly brawlers and tough guys. Royce would wait for his opponent to get sloppy and he'd tie them up into a pretzel. These days fighters must be well rounded, not one dimensional. Royce got pounded, and truth be known, he'd have trouble punching out your grandmother, nevermind Matt Hughes. There are also theories that many of Royce's early UFC victories were staged, (See: Brawl - By Eric Krauss)
The theory contends that the brackets were fixed so that Royce would easily make it to the finals. The book contends that his legend was manufactured entirely by the old UFC management in hopes of creating more hype arpound the UFC, which was actually a fighting tournament, not separate 1 on 1 bouts at the time.
Today, the UFC is marketed and managed by Zuffa LLC, which is owned by the Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta of Las Vegas Nevada. Dana White and the Fertitta's have cleaned up the UFC and it is now sanctioned in 22 states and follows all state and federal regulations. In the new UFC, fighters such as Ken Shamrock and Royce Graciecannot survive. The upcoming Ortiz-Shamrock match will be a slaughter of mythic proportions - I hope Ken has health insurance. Instead of watching fight like that, I'd prefer to see better matchups such as Diego Sanchez vs Joe "Daddy" Stevenson. That would be one hell of fight.
Blackjack said:
I don't think he tapped to it or was in danger of being choked out. Both were wearing gi's and the ref couldn't see what was happening and stopped the match to protect the fighters being choked (Gracie). If you watch Gracie's very quick reaction once the ref calls it you'll realize that he wasn't in danger at all.
I'm not a Tito fan but I'm even less of a fan of Shamrock's. Shamrock should go back to the WWE. He'll have a better chance there.
What the UFC needs is new blood - the 'bouts are always the same two people fighting each other. Maybe some people from Pride (which I think is better anyway) would inject more passion into it.
Blackjack said:
I disagree with 2 points
1) they didn't clean up anything, there are very few rules changes, what they did was put in weight classes and turn it into 1 bout fights instead of tournament style fights where the fighters had to fight more then once a night. But to say they "cleaned it up" falls right into that false preconception that there was troubles with MMA, and still today many government folks are trying to stop it.
2) Ken Shamrock although an early UFC guy has been a crossbreed fighter from day 1, he never was a student of 1 style like the rest in those early fights. He was the precursor to the modern day MMA fighter, he was the original hybrid, if he were a few years younger he would be able to compete, but I agree Tito should kick his ass pretty good and I'll be happy when he does.
Jim