Someone please help me understand trying to sell a cue online without pics!

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What is it with people trying to sell cues in the "Wanted/For Sale" section without pics? Are there some cues that are just too nice to post pictures of? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it.

I guess the seller has the opportunity to really sell his cue to someone when he gets them on the phone or something. I guess it is like a used-car salesman when he gets someone on the lot. Much easier to pressure someone that way. Maybe I'll try it sometime. :grin:
 
Ohplayer said:
What is it with people trying to sell cues in the "Wanted/For Sale" section without pics? Are there some cues that are just too nice to post pictures of? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it.

I guess the seller has the opportunity to really sell his cue to someone when he gets them on the phone or something. I guess it is like a used-car salesman when he gets someone on the lot. Much easier to pressure someone that way. Maybe I'll try it sometime. :grin:
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I think I know which poster you're talking about. Prepare,to be e-assaulted by his legion of fanboys who think normal standards don't apply to him.
 
Ohplayer said:
What is it with people trying to sell cues in the "Wanted/For Sale" section without pics? Are there some cues that are just too nice to post pictures of? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it.

I guess the seller has the opportunity to really sell his cue to someone when he gets them on the phone or something. I guess it is like a used-car salesman when he gets someone on the lot. Much easier to pressure someone that way. Maybe I'll try it sometime. :grin:
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It's the same mentality of not saying a price, then when you contact them and it's ridiculous you're a low balling scum sucker.

Some people's kids are just sucking up all the good air.

JC
 
I'm not mentioning any one poster. I have seen numerous posters do this. I'm not trying to call anyone out. It just seems silly to me.
 
leto1776 said:
I think I know which poster you're talking about. Prepare,to be e-assaulted by his legion of fanboys who think normal standards don't apply to him.
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You would not believe how much of this goes on in my car forum. We actually had to alter our classifieds rules to counter things like this. Any ad without pictures or a set price is automatically removed by my staff. In this day & age with technology, theres no excuse to not post pics. No price being listed is also a no-no. Even if your price is absurd, you post a price.....any ad saying 'make offer' is an insta-delete. That has cut down and eliminated so many scams and bad dealings.
 
I once called him up about a cue that sounded interesting and he was more than accommodating. I then figured out that he doesn't post pics because he doesn't have to.




I've yet to hear a complaint from anyone who's actually dealt with the man.

Edit: op says he's not specifying any one poster, I'm specifying Deanoc.
 
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berko said:
I once called him up about a cue that sounded interesting and he was more than accommodating. I then figured out that he doesn't post pics because he doesn't have to.




I've yet to hear a complaint from anyone who's actually dealt with the man.

Edit: op says he's not specifying any one poster, I'm specifying Deanoc.
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That is perfectly fine. There is a camp of people that will buy from him without pictures. To each their own. There is also a camp of people that will not. I am in that camp. Decide which side you are on and move on. The good news is the story gets to end there.
 
Ohplayer said:
What is it with people trying to sell cues in the "Wanted/For Sale" section without pics? Are there some cues that are just too nice to post pictures of? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it.

I guess the seller has the opportunity to really sell his cue to someone when he gets them on the phone or something. I guess it is like a used-car salesman when he gets someone on the lot. Much easier to pressure someone that way. Maybe I'll try it sometime. :grin:
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Why is it a problem? If a person wants to sell without pics that is their problem. Maybe they like to actually have conversations.

Maybe the person isn't technically savvy enough to post pictures and doesn't care to learn. Some folks are like that.

Why not just skip the posts instead of being critical?
 
JB Cases said:
Why is it a problem? If a person wants to sell without pics that is their problem. Maybe they like to actually have conversations.

Maybe the person isn't technically savvy enough to post pictures and doesn't care to learn. Some folks are like that.

Why not just skip the posts instead of being critical?
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In the automotive forum world, it has lead to a lot of scams and otherwise shady/bad deals....which reflect very bad on the forum when they go down the toilet. Yea, there are certain 'clicks' that their word is good enough, but newbs tend not to know that, so even ads from our premiere members are treated the same...and for a scammer that the site staff hasn't discovered yet, tends to eliminate their scams.

Someone not savvy enough to upload an image? This isn't 2005....it doesn't require any tech skill anymore.
 
FairladyZ said:
In the automotive forum world, it has lead to a lot of scams and otherwise shady/bad deals....which reflect very bad on the forum when they go down the toilet. Yea, there are certain 'clicks' that their word is good enough, but newbs tend not to know that, so even ads from our premiere members are treated the same...and for a scammer that the site staff hasn't discovered yet, tends to eliminate their scams.

Someone not savvy enough to upload an image? This isn't 2005....it doesn't require any tech skill anymore.
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HI when i purchase a cue i would like to see a picture of the cue this will enable me to see if the cue i am purchasing is the cue i want to buy. Also i would do a search like checking the Blue Book of Cues to see if the cue is worth purchasing
 
FairladyZ said:
In the automotive forum world, it has lead to a lot of scams and otherwise shady/bad deals....which reflect very bad on the forum when they go down the toilet. Yea, there are certain 'clicks' that their word is good enough, but newbs tend not to know that, so even ads from our premiere members are treated the same...and for a scammer that the site staff hasn't discovered yet, tends to eliminate their scams.

Someone not savvy enough to upload an image? This isn't 2005....it doesn't require any tech skill anymore.
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Actually, I just spent an hour teaching my step mom how to post pictures and use gmail.

I can understand where you are coming from. This forum tends to be more along the lines of most of us kind of knowing each other and being able to verify the accuracy of the stuff being sold.

We tend to spot scams pretty quick and alert the other members to them.

Dean has been selling this way for years and to my knowledge there has not been one single complaint about anything he has sold.

I think we can agree that even with pics and prices scammers still find victims. In fact I'd say that probably 100% of the bad deals here were with sales that had pics and the product came in not as pictured.
 
It's a wonder there aren't threads like this popping up more often. If someone can't or doesn't know how to post pictures is one thing but doing it simply because they don't want to is a joke. Like others have said, some forums will take a thread down if a for sale item is not accompanied by at least some kind of picture. It creates a lot less problems and saves a lot of time in the long run. Another problem is the amount of useless posts it starts when every other one is about the 'picture' aspect and has nothing to do with the item at hand. If someone doesn't want to post a picture that's there prerogative and as long as it's not against the rules then so be it but as soon as the onslaught starts about the lack of pictures and people come out of the woodwork with the worn out "no need for pictures", "just call so and so"....yada yada yada the mods should instantly delete the thread. A single thread like that can easily stay on the first page long enough to push everything down creating a snowball effect of other people wanting to bump their own thread back to the top before the mandatory time.
 
JB Cases said:
I think we can agree that even with pics and prices scammers still find victims. In fact I'd say that probably 100% of the bad deals here were with sales that had pics and the product came in not as pictured.
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That is true....but requiring them has made it harder....but you're right about the sense of community....we too are very fast to spot scamsters and crooked deals for the reason you mentioned. We all know eachother and know who the 'major players' are, no pun intended......but take me for example, I joined today. If I posted a classified ad with no pics or price, would you be leary? Of course you would, and for good reason.....even with pics and a price you would still be skeptical....but the pics would help subside some of that. Its very common in the car world for a scamster to steal pics of someone else's car or item and claim it as their own and try selling it.....when that happens, its spotted almost immediately, as someone will know the car, or its real owner, and instantly bust the scamster.. I hope the same can be said about our Billiards Brotherhood!! :)
 
Tell it

Problem is with these 'no pic' posts and posts that draw huge 'responses' and attention in the F/S section is not the fact that someone is too good to learn how but the constant BUMPS from folks that are naturally expecting see a picture possibly specifications ie: weight, length, wood etc of item being sold.

When interested parties continue ask for pics and or specs we get responses from same ole friends of seller in defense of seller and his post is moved up and respectable sellers get bumped down... sometimes fast.

Here is what I see and I have been watching for along time keeping comments to myself.


48 hour bump rule - or AZ cops will call you out and 'bump it again and again' that's one way to make sure you stay on top. Break the 48 hour rule.

No comments in F/S section - ...sure that really goes on. "Nice cue," I had one just like that", great seller", that's my old cue, what's the balance point ?? yada yada yada firkin friends bumping friends.

I see so much BS around here as far as the folks that are trying to run the show and control the board. Seems like same folks that are always reprimanding and running off new comers or folks that make an error in listing are the one's that think they are privileged due to there tenure as a member here or ITrader numbers.

Oh, I could have seen kept my comment to myself or comment in earlier post in F/S section I believe OP is referring to but I respect the rules here and did not want to BUMP that post any more that it had been and will be.

There I feel better. Anyway I do enjoy this board and If I do not like a post I move on.

All the Best for the New Year
,-Dave
 
Dave-Kat said:
Problem is with these 'no pic' posts and posts that draw huge 'responses' and attention in the F/S section is not the fact that someone is too good to learn how but the constant BUMPS from folks that are naturally expecting see a picture possibly specifications ie: weight, length, wood etc of item being sold.
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We countered that problem with not allowing members to post replies in the thread, forcing all business to be handled via PM or phone/text. This forces the seller to make a good descriptive ad if he doesn't want to be bombarded by tire kickers and useless questions...and the "nice <insert item here> replies. A valid phone number is also a requirement in my car forum classifieds.....but on that note, the classifieds are not visible to the public, so the information is secure (bots won't pick up on it)....but this practice has completely removed all the false bumping and shenanigans that tend to happen. We have a 7-day bump rule.
 
I believe that is the way that it's supposed to be handled here ( kind of ) catch that ? But I see continual idiots commenting in posts in the F/S section. Seems like allot of the same members. You know 'friends bumping friends'. :angry:
 
Dave-Kat said:
I believe that is the way that it's supposed to be handled here ( kind of ) catch that ? But I see continual idiots commenting in posts in the F/S section. Seems like allot of the same members. You know 'friends bumping friends'. :angry:
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The stop to that is a simple setting in the VBulletin backend.....they couldn't post nonsense replies even if they wanted to. :)
 
Ohplayer said:
What is it with people trying to sell cues in the "Wanted/For Sale" section without pics? Are there some cues that are just too nice to post pictures of? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it.

I guess the seller has the opportunity to really sell his cue to someone when he gets them on the phone or something. I guess it is like a used-car salesman when he gets someone on the lot. Much easier to pressure someone that way. Maybe I'll try it sometime. :grin:
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Someone please help me understand why when someone wants to complain
they go on a forum and pretend to ask a question.

Dale
 
Maybe the guys that do it (try to sell cues without pics) are such great salespeople that they do it that way (without pics) in order to even the playing field and let the lesser-skilled sales people (such as myself) have a chance to compete.

I certainly don't understand what the problem is, if the guy is selling a cue in such a way that you won't buy it, then you don't buy it, its not like he forced you to buy it sight unseen.

If you walk in a store and don't like the way the product is presented do you really go to the manager and explain what he has to change to earn your business or do you just pass and by from another?


Kevin
 
Ohplayer said:
I guess the seller has the opportunity to really sell his cue to someone when he gets them on the phone or something. I guess it is like a used-car salesman when he gets someone on the lot. Much easier to pressure someone that way. Maybe I'll try it sometime. :grin:
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One of the guys that sells here at AZ that way is Dean Campbell. If you are talking about Dean, guess one and guess two and the thing about pressure are all wrong.

If you are talking about the guy selling the Tucker (who is not Dean) I don't know him so maybe your maybes are the reasons he decided to go without pics, but on the other hand (while we are making wild assumptions about what's in someone else's mind):

Maybe he just decided he had a Tucker he was willing to sell for less than 3K, and it won't last 3 days at that price and he'll sell it any darn way he pleases and the guy who buys it will be grateful for the chance to own it. Maybe he decided that in selling his high end collectible cue this way he wouldn't eliminate those collectors who don't want their acquisitions plastered all over the internet.

Maybe.
 
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