How come no one has done any 90-90 reviews? Particularly interested in Ron's ability to communicate clearly and how easy it is to learn the system.
90-90 DVD & Book Reviews?
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Just quickly: the DVDs are very well put together. The video and audio quality are quite good. Clear and concise. Ron does a great job at explaining 90/90 aiming and his kicking/banking systems.
Now I am a bit of a misnomer, as I've been working with pivot aiming systems for quite some time, including Rons 90/90 since 4-5 years ago. I would certainly recommend this DVD set to anyone serious about improving their overall game, and especially to those interested in pivot aiming systems. That said, the kicking and banking information alone is worth the price IMHO.
The book is perfect. Spiral bound so you can take it to the pool room and lay it on a table or flat surface and go through the shots.
Now I am a bit of a misnomer, as I've been working with pivot aiming systems for quite some time, including Rons 90/90 since 4-5 years ago. I would certainly recommend this DVD set to anyone serious about improving their overall game, and especially to those interested in pivot aiming systems. That said, the kicking and banking information alone is worth the price IMHO.
The book is perfect. Spiral bound so you can take it to the pool room and lay it on a table or flat surface and go through the shots.
For whoever is interested in 90/90 aiming system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_dJHZiN01A
"Ron Vitello 90/90 System: 3 Shot Examples"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_dJHZiN01A
"Ron Vitello 90/90 System: 3 Shot Examples"
I had sent you a PM telling you I'd post the following "review" after I watched the videos again, but I never did. Since Ron posted yesterday, and I covered much of this in my response to his post I figured I'd just share it here. It's not long and is completely unchanged from the day you originally posted asking for a review.
I hate to say this because I think the system has merit, but honestly the DVD is not very good.
I WOULD say Ron doesn't do a very good job of explaining the system, but the problem with the DVD is that Ron doesn't do ANY job of explaining the system. It comes across more as a video of him trying to prove to naysayers that the system works than it is an attempt to teach the system. I fear that had I not already been familiar with 90/90 from Cleary's video, I'd have been completely lost while watching the DVD.
So, watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8IesgEXbvU) first as an introduction. Then, the DVD will at least make some sense, but the system is never actually taught on the DVD. It's a collection of Ron shooting shots saying "this is a 90/90" and "that's a good shot." "This is xxx, good shot." There are some good diamond systems discussed on the second disc.
With all that said, I've only watched it once. I'll watch it again, and if something seems to click I'll add another post.
I hate to say this because I think the system has merit, but honestly the DVD is not very good.
I WOULD say Ron doesn't do a very good job of explaining the system, but the problem with the DVD is that Ron doesn't do ANY job of explaining the system. It comes across more as a video of him trying to prove to naysayers that the system works than it is an attempt to teach the system. I fear that had I not already been familiar with 90/90 from Cleary's video, I'd have been completely lost while watching the DVD.
So, watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8IesgEXbvU) first as an introduction. Then, the DVD will at least make some sense, but the system is never actually taught on the DVD. It's a collection of Ron shooting shots saying "this is a 90/90" and "that's a good shot." "This is xxx, good shot." There are some good diamond systems discussed on the second disc.
With all that said, I've only watched it once. I'll watch it again, and if something seems to click I'll add another post.
I think this video represents the system better since Ron is not aligning edges, but half a tip inside:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzs5gdAzbCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzs5gdAzbCw
I've been working with Ron V's 90/90 for around a month now and once you get the hang of it you'll love it.
It is extremely precise and very easy to learn. Dare I say it 'It almost too easy"
I grabbed the cleaning lady at the local pool hall today and she was able to make balls after a few attempts. And she had no idea what she was doing, she was simply doing what I had showed her.
It forces you to maintain visuals, stroke straight, and use your dominant eye and move straight in on your visuals.
Thankyou RonV,
It is extremely precise and very easy to learn. Dare I say it 'It almost too easy"
I grabbed the cleaning lady at the local pool hall today and she was able to make balls after a few attempts. And she had no idea what she was doing, she was simply doing what I had showed her.
It forces you to maintain visuals, stroke straight, and use your dominant eye and move straight in on your visuals.
Thankyou RonV,
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90/90 is a completely different system than CTE PRO ONE. 90/90 is not CTE.
Stan Shuffett
Stan Shuffett
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I purchased the 90/90 DVD and have subsequently sold it. Nowhere in the DVD was there anything close to a step by step explanation of how to set up for and execute the 90/90 system. The DVD immediately went into Ron Vitello demonstrating numerous different shots, using 90/90, and explaining which alignment and pivot were to be used. It was if there was an assumption the viewer of the DVD already understood the basics of the DVD.
The kicking portion of the DVD didn't show anything that isn't already out there in multiple places. Ron explained the first couple of kicking systems in some detail but after that, lapsed in the mode of showing it without offering much in the way of explaining the set up for that kicking system.
It didn't appear the DVD had been very well planned or scripted, it was as if it was done ad lib. If this DVD had been sold for $19.95, I would have thought ok, you get what you pay for. At $79, frankly, it's a rip off. Each person's mileage may vary and everyone is welcome to their own opinion for sure. If you don't know the basics of 90/90 before you watch the DVD, I have no idea how you're going to learn it by watching the DVD.
The kicking portion of the DVD didn't show anything that isn't already out there in multiple places. Ron explained the first couple of kicking systems in some detail but after that, lapsed in the mode of showing it without offering much in the way of explaining the set up for that kicking system.
It didn't appear the DVD had been very well planned or scripted, it was as if it was done ad lib. If this DVD had been sold for $19.95, I would have thought ok, you get what you pay for. At $79, frankly, it's a rip off. Each person's mileage may vary and everyone is welcome to their own opinion for sure. If you don't know the basics of 90/90 before you watch the DVD, I have no idea how you're going to learn it by watching the DVD.
Thank you very much for the info nobcity I will check another systems. Pro one perhaps
Just to be clear, I think there is merit to the 90/90 system. I just think the dvd in question on this thread didn't do a good job of teaching it. I am certainly a fan of CTE/Pro One and would recommend it. However, my purpose was not to discredit 90/90 but to give an honest evaluation of the dvd itself.
I think the DVD does a tremendous job explaining everything related to the 90-90 system. Honestly, the system is so BASIC that I learned it completely over a PHONE lesson. I think Palmetto Cue on here also learned it completely over a phone lesson or two... and that's without a DVD, visuals, graphics or a book.
You have 3 cue alignments: 90 to 90, 90 to center and 90 to reverse-90 and then you pivot to center. How hard is that?? The system is so easy, if someone can't "get it" from what I just posted above, let alone watching the DVD, they're not investing any time at all into it.
Dave
You have 3 cue alignments: 90 to 90, 90 to center and 90 to reverse-90 and then you pivot to center. How hard is that?? The system is so easy, if someone can't "get it" from what I just posted above, let alone watching the DVD, they're not investing any time at all into it.
Dave
So what does 90 to 90 mean? Is that edge to edge or 90% of the CB at 90% of the OB? You say pivot. Well, I've heard people describe it as a hip pivot or something similar to BHE or you make the pivot but don't move your eyes/head while pivoting to CCB. Which is it? I had another very knowledgeable pool person who is a member here describe it to me and his description varied from yours.
Dave, I understand you really like Mr. Vitello and I can understand that, he seems like a genuinely great guy. If someone wants a phone lesson, they should call him. If the DVD is so clear, please point out to me where exactly in the DVD that Ron showed in detail how to line up for the 90/90, 90 to Center and 90 to reverse 90 and then explained exactly how to pivot?
I don't really care and I'm going to quit posting about the DVD. I simply think it is wrong for people to post glorious things about a DVD simply because they think Ron Vitello is a great guy. Here's the deal. I bet you could take 25 relative beginners at pool who've never heard of 90/90, let them watch the DVD 5 times and I'll bet you none of them would be able to execute the system properly by only watching the DVD.
Dave, I understand you really like Mr. Vitello and I can understand that, he seems like a genuinely great guy. If someone wants a phone lesson, they should call him. If the DVD is so clear, please point out to me where exactly in the DVD that Ron showed in detail how to line up for the 90/90, 90 to Center and 90 to reverse 90 and then explained exactly how to pivot?
I don't really care and I'm going to quit posting about the DVD. I simply think it is wrong for people to post glorious things about a DVD simply because they think Ron Vitello is a great guy. Here's the deal. I bet you could take 25 relative beginners at pool who've never heard of 90/90, let them watch the DVD 5 times and I'll bet you none of them would be able to execute the system properly by only watching the DVD.
There was a graphic in his dvd that showed the cue alignment.
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