Typical Spreads

Consider yourself lucky. I was breaking pretty well this weekend on 9' Gold Crowns, and I had a couple that ended up like this:

http://CueTable.com/P/?@2ACKX1BJlN2COSU2DVSm2EINy4FBjJ1GVDd3HBqr3ICIU3PDKN3qEYeA&ZZ1tfjP00/00&ZZ@

On this particular break, I almost got all the up-table balls within a diamond of the head rail, while three balls returned and gathered back to the rack, clustered up. I didn't pocket a ball. I've had breaks where every ball was either in the kitchen or at least within 1/2 a diamond of being in the kitchen. And of course, no balls in on the break.

I hit this particular rack too hard for the conditions, but each table was different. The "correct" speed got the wing or the one most of the time.

Fred

THE CUE BALL IS NEXT TO THE 15 BALL IN THE BOTTOM ROW OF BALLS, ITS JUST CLOSE IN COLOR TO THE BACKGROUND. SOMEONE TRIED TELL YOU THIS BEFORE IN ANOTHE THREAD, I AM USING CAPS THIS TIME SO YOU ARE SURE TO SEE IT.

Curious, when you come back from shooting and you seem to be pissed off because you "blew another run out" and decide to post here and tell us how bad you are or how unlucky you are, where are you coming back from? Is it league, practice with a friend, solo practice, or gambling.

For your sake I hope it is competition and not practice or else I would ask you to give up. Not because of you botched run outs or mistakes, but more because of your attitude towards the game. I have offered you sound advice in reading a book called "Pleasures of Small Motions". People here have recommended it to me and I am recommending it to you. Your mental game seems to be crap and it is making your physical game suck. Read the book and find joy in the game you once loved rather then the frustration you are currently having. Dont dwell on your mistakes. Its obvious you are because you are bringing them here and asking us for advice when you know what was wrong with the shots to begin with.

Icon of Sin said:

THE CUE BALL IS NEXT TO THE 15 BALL IN THE BOTTOM ROW OF BALLS, ITS JUST CLOSE IN COLOR TO THE BACKGROUND. SOMEONE TRIED TELL YOU THIS BEFORE IN ANOTHE THREAD, I AM USING CAPS THIS TIME SO YOU ARE SURE TO SEE IT.

Curious, when you come back from shooting and you seem to be pissed off because you "blew another run out" and decide to post here and tell us how bad you are or how unlucky you are, where are you coming back from? Is it league, practice with a friend, solo practice, or gambling.

For your sake I hope it is competition and not practice or else I would ask you to give up. Not because of you botched run outs or mistakes, but more because of your attitude towards the game. I have offered you sound advice in reading a book called "Pleasures of Small Motions". People here have recommended it to me and I am recommending it to you. Your mental game seems to be crap and it is making your physical game suck. Read the book and find joy in the game you once loved rather then the frustration you are currently having. Dont dwell on your mistakes. Its obvious you are because you are bringing them here and asking us for advice when you know what was wrong with the shots to begin with.

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These redundant threads are starting to make me want to hang myself with my mouse cord.

The "Whoa is me" posts of blown run outs, missed opportunities, and overall bad luck is bringing me down bro.

Icon of Sin said:

THE CUE BALL IS NEXT TO THE 15 BALL IN THE BOTTOM ROW OF BALLS, ITS JUST CLOSE IN COLOR TO THE BACKGROUND. SOMEONE TRIED TELL YOU THIS BEFORE IN ANOTHE THREAD, I AM USING CAPS THIS TIME SO YOU ARE SURE TO SEE IT..

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I don't think that's the problem. I think he puts the cueball on the table, and when he pastes, the cueball goes back to its default location.

Here are the problems I've encountered when doing th {Wei} {/WEI} thing:

Pasted Wei Table shows as the default full rack.
Wei Table is the Orange and Black Halloween table. <~~~ very strange, indeed.
The 9-ball is back in the default location.
The cueball is back in the default location.

Fred

All of these racks are wide open. Why don't you take ball in hand and run them out, if you are practicing alone. Do you beat the 9-ball ghost so badly that it's uninteresting to you? If it's not hard enough for you then try playing eleven or twelve ball ghost when you must run every open spread like those and most every spread that requires only one break-out and one combination per rack to even have a chance to stay even.

unknownpro

There is a lot of luck involved on the break - but if you're going 1/35, then there is something you're doing wrong. It's not just bad rolls or bad luck. Sorry, not going to give away any break related info easily

DrCue'sProtege said:

just thought i would post some of the spreads i ended up with after the break this weekend. the bad rolls, bad luck, etc, etc, just didnt want to seem to ever stop. and then once every 35 breaks or so when i would have a chance i would usually mess up because i was so mad and frustrated.

DCP

p.s. once again my cue ball doesnt show up. thats why i put the 'A' out there so everyone will know where the cue ball came to rest

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another one:

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and still another:

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Perhaps you should change games...

Maybe 9-ball isn't the right game for you. Perhaps you should play one-pocket or straight pool where, while important, the breaks are much more control based and not so much power. The other thing you can do is to break softly and concentrate on controling the cueball.

Then again, there's always the "take two weeks off and then quit" option...lol.

Ok here is how I see it. The balls roll as they will and not every rack will be runnable. So you have to take a different approach. Don't think run out, think run 5 balls, play safe, finish the rack. For me I feel like I accomplished just as much, if I run from the 1-4 ball, played safe on the five, won ball in hand, then ran out. I still played a perfect game.

Now I don't know what your rating is, but but if it is less than an A player the statistical likelyhood of you running out that one time you have an opportunity is actually pretty low.

I was playing on Friday and my opponent was giving me some of the worst racks ever, I was rarely getting a ball on the break. Then once I get a ball as well as a shot on the 1. I made the 1 and snookered myself on the 2, LOL.

My advice is to watch Efren when he makes mistakes. Nobody deals with these things better.

DrCue'sProtege said:

just thought i would post some of the spreads i ended up with after the break this weekend. .... and then once every 35 breaks or so when i would have a chance i would usually mess up because i was so mad and frustrated.

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DCP,
You do realize that even the best pro's will only run out from the break 20-30% of the time??? This means that the layouts you show above (though the result of a good power break with good cue ball position), are going to be typical for even a champion player 70-80% of the time. That's 9-ball; there is NOTHING about these layouts that should be frustrating to a player - they are a frequent and inevitable part of the game.

If your break is less than championship caliber, then these "unrunnable layouts" are going to occur more like 90-95% of the time. Welcome to the world of 9-ball (it's a stupid game).

Gregg said:

These redundant threads are starting to make me want to hang myself with my mouse cord.

The "Whoa is me" posts of blown run outs, missed opportunities, and overall bad luck is bringing me down bro.

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You have the option of not clicking on these threads.

I don't have that luxury with my pet peeve - BAD SPELLING!

"Woe" not "whoa".

NaClBandit said:

You have the option of not clicking on these threads.

I don't have that luxury with my pet peeve - BAD SPELLING!

"Woe" not "whoa".

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[sarcasm]I don't get it; was there a misspelling within the thread title that forced you to post here?

Are you an English professor?

Just curious.[/sarcasm]

BTW, don't take me seriously. I am just trying to have fun.

What is the point of this thread. No question is asked and no advice given. Just crying over what are the normal breaks of the game.

Fortunately for me, I always make a ball on the break, always have great position on the 1 ball, so never have to use the PUSH OUT.

DCP-

Get over it.

I played a guy last night in a race to 11. I won, and in only one single break could I pocket the 1 after the break. In fact, my spreads were so bad that I actually pocketed the 9 on the break (once) more often than I pocketed the 1-ball after the break (I missed the one makeable 1-ball. Then I cried.)

StevenPWaldon said:

DCP-

Get over it.

I played a guy last night in a race to 11. I won, and in only one single break could I pocket the 1 after the break. In fact, my spreads were so bad that I actually pocketed the 9 on the break (once) more often than I pocketed the 1-ball after the break (I missed the one makeable 1-ball. Then I cried.)

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Stephen -

Could you please post Wei table diagrams of all those bad spreads so we can all see them and cry with you.

DCP -

How do you remember all of the ball positions for these diagrams when you get home to your computer?

Dr Cue several people on this forum have given you solid, informative advice on the game of 9 ball and you still continue to post every wei table example you can think of.
Best advice to you is to look for a local instuctor in your yellow pages or local pool hall/billiard supply house, this will help you tremendously, and hopefully get you to a skill level you are happy with.
It is true the game is a never ending education....... but some of the lessons are homework.... not class discussion.
Chuck