TheThaiger
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Why in the world would anyone in their right mind play with inside English unless it is strictly necessary?
playing with inside is difficult
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It's not difficult at all.
I use inside for all sorts of things. Sometimes on almost straight shots to slightly change the rebound angle with draw or a stop shot.
using any type of spin is no more difficult than any other type of spin with the exception of softer/longer shots...
Jaden
I use inside for all sorts of things. Sometimes on almost straight shots to slightly change the rebound angle with draw or a stop shot.
using any type of spin is no more difficult than any other type of spin with the exception of softer/longer shots...
Jaden
I have said this many times. Once I learned about squirt, inside and outside english became about the same difficulty for me. Unfortunately, that meant outside got a little harder (where it was automatic previously), but inside became tremendously easier.
If I had a choice, I'd choose being able to say they're about the same.
TheThaiger
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Maybe I've become conditioned by using outside (helping) side routinely, then. Inside throws me all over the shop.
Why would anyone bother, except in extremis?
Why would anyone bother, except in extremis?
TheThaiger
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Probably very true. For reasons that now escape me, I'd never even considered using it until recently.
Some people learn to use it by practicing with it. I use to play someone who prefered to use inside because it got the line of the cue stick close to the points of contact -- or at least that's the way he saw it. He also used a 16-ounce cue for pool.
If you were to play more one pocket -- unlikely considering where you live -- you would value inside more highly and use it more frequently.
I think the OP has a point, in that outside English on a cut shot tends to make the object ball travel at close to the geometrically correct line, whereas inside just increases the throw and therefore tends to make the OB cut less than what would be expected.
For many pool players it's a natural tendency to want to spin shots in with "english"
Yes, using any type of spin is unwise.
Deflection is the key to TOI, not spin....and of course you already knew that.
One of the toughest things to overcome is the "natural" tendencies......they keep us from reaching our fullest potentials - that's why "if it feels right, it's probably wrong".
For many pool players it's a natural tendency to want to spin shots in with outside "helping" English. This technique is very useful, especially if you're trying to change the natural angle of the cue ball after contact. There's another way to do this if you want to "master a shot" so you can hit the three parts of the pocket. To do this you must become more accurate and develop a "FEEL" for the pocket. This isn't any more difficult, it just requires you to simplify your Game and reduce calculations.
There are three {main} calculations you make to be accurate using "outside English," 1st) - you must judge the immediate deflection and 2nd) - you must judge how much the spin brings the cue ball "back" to it's original "shot line". 3rd) - you must decide where to hit the cue ball to accomplish the intended shot. (these calculations are related, but not necessarily connected like they are with the TOI Technique)
You will find it's necessary to hit these shots at a variety of speeds and a variety of spins to do what you need with the cue ball. This takes a LOT of different calculations because speed effects deflection AND spin. Where you hit the cue ball and how far over to get your "outside English" also effects deflection AND spin.
Over the course of hours, you will have to make numerous calculations and instinctive judgments to make every shot as planned. With the 'Touch Of Inside' system of play I am showing you how to reduce the amount of calculations and instinctive judgments considerably.
The TOI Technique shows you how to hit one "theme" of speeds, one "theme" of spins, and one "theme" of deflection. I have played many players in my life and the only concern I had was if they would play long enough. Because, even though this edge against other accomplished players may be only 1-2%, it will show up over time.
If you're cutting a ball at a "half ball" angle down the rail to the left and using "outside" (right English") you cue ball is immediately going to deflect into the object ball slightly. To overcome undercutting it you will need to spin the cue ball to make it curve back and the spin will help cut it in. This may "FEEL" like it's helping the cut, but IS IT REALLY?
You are having to hit the speed correctly, the spin correctly, the contact point (shot line) correctly and hit the cue ball precisely to do this. I'm sure you do this very well, but how about under pressure? How do you make all these calculations playing a champion player? This is where your unconscious will start to falter and break down.
You are simply over whelming yourself with these calculations and when you add pressure? I don't know, how does it effect you, do you play better or worse? How about over the course of a 5-10 hour set, do you rely on your game to get better and better or do you have "ups and downs?" With the TOI Technique I teach players how to use (as much as possible, of course there's exceptions, and less that you may think) ONE SPEED - ONE SHOT ANGLE REFERENCE (center or edge) - ONE TIP TARGET (the "Touch" of Inside).
The one thing you guard against {using TOI} is overcutting the ball, however, if you're going to miss a shot would you rather over cut it or under cut it? I don't know about you, but when I under cut a shot I feel like a "dogged it," however, when I over cut a shot I feel like I know what I need to do to correct what I did wrong.
TOI increases consistency, which strengthens confidence and makes your Game strong, reliable, and very intimidating.
Yes, using any type of spin is unwise.
Deflection is the key to TOI, not spin....and of course you already knew that.
One of the toughest things to overcome is the "natural" tendencies......they keep us from reaching our fullest potentials - that's why "if it feels right, it's probably wrong".
For many pool players it's a natural tendency to want to spin shots in with outside "helping" English. This technique is very useful, especially if you're trying to change the natural angle of the cue ball after contact. There's another way to do this if you want to "master a shot" so you can hit the three parts of the pocket. To do this you must become more accurate and develop a "FEEL" for the pocket. This isn't any more difficult, it just requires you to simplify your Game and reduce calculations.
There are three {main} calculations you make to be accurate using "outside English," 1st) - you must judge the immediate deflection and 2nd) - you must judge how much the spin brings the cue ball "back" to it's original "shot line". 3rd) - you must decide where to hit the cue ball to accomplish the intended shot. (these calculations are related, but not necessarily connected like they are with the TOI Technique)
You will find it's necessary to hit these shots at a variety of speeds and a variety of spins to do what you need with the cue ball. This takes a LOT of different calculations because speed effects deflection AND spin. Where you hit the cue ball and how far over to get your "outside English" also effects deflection AND spin.
Over the course of hours, you will have to make numerous calculations and instinctive judgments to make every shot as planned. With the 'Touch Of Inside' system of play I am showing you how to reduce the amount of calculations and instinctive judgments considerably.
The TOI Technique shows you how to hit one "theme" of speeds, one "theme" of spins, and one "theme" of deflection. I have played many players in my life and the only concern I had was if they would play long enough. Because, even though this edge against other accomplished players may be only 1-2%, it will show up over time.
If you're cutting a ball at a "half ball" angle down the rail to the left and using "outside" (right English") you cue ball is immediately going to deflect into the object ball slightly. To overcome undercutting it you will need to spin the cue ball to make it curve back and the spin will help cut it in. This may "FEEL" like it's helping the cut, but IS IT REALLY?
You are having to hit the speed correctly, the spin correctly, the contact point (shot line) correctly and hit the cue ball precisely to do this. I'm sure you do this very well, but how about under pressure? How do you make all these calculations playing a champion player? This is where your unconscious will start to falter and break down.
You are simply over whelming yourself with these calculations and when you add pressure? I don't know, how does it effect you, do you play better or worse? How about over the course of a 5-10 hour set, do you rely on your game to get better and better or do you have "ups and downs?" With the TOI Technique I teach players how to use (as much as possible, of course there's exceptions, and less that you may think) ONE SPEED - ONE SHOT ANGLE REFERENCE (center or edge) - ONE TIP TARGET (the "Touch" of Inside).
The one thing you guard against {using TOI} is overcutting the ball, however, if you're going to miss a shot would you rather over cut it or under cut it? I don't know about you, but when I under cut a shot I feel like a "dogged it," however, when I over cut a shot I feel like I know what I need to do to correct what I did wrong.
TOI increases consistency, which strengthens confidence and makes your Game strong, reliable, and very intimidating.
without a doubt....
That's one of the advantages to PPA...
One of the biggest advantages to PPA is that it makes using any type of english much easier. Actually I'm going to change that term.
Not pivot point aiming, instead PPE pivot point english.
Because you're not so much aiming with PP as opposed to using english after aiming center ball.
Jaden
One of the biggest advantages to PPA is that it makes using any type of english much easier. Actually I'm going to change that term.
Not pivot point aiming, instead PPE pivot point english.
Because you're not so much aiming with PP as opposed to using english after aiming center ball.
Jaden
It depends. Sometimes inside is running english. Sometimes it's reverse english. When it's reverse, you have to factor in that the cb will be slowing down significantly if you're using top spin off a rail.
When inside is running english, the cb will travel pretty quickly.
If your problem is in ball pocketing then it's simply because you don't use it enough to be as familiar with that type of squirt.
To avoid using it is fatal.
Hit the cue ball the way it should be hit, for any shot, anytime, anywhere.
Shoot so many holes through it that it looks like one big measle.
When you do that, own and total command of the cue ball, consider yourself a player. He who controls the cue ball best usually comes up winner.
If you don't, consider yourself someone who likes to play pool, or average at best. And that is ok too.
Inside, outside, high, low......all the same to me
It's all about the cue ball
Shoot so many holes through it that it looks like one big measle.
When you do that, own and total command of the cue ball, consider yourself a player. He who controls the cue ball best usually comes up winner.
If you don't, consider yourself someone who likes to play pool, or average at best. And that is ok too.
Inside, outside, high, low......all the same to me
It's all about the cue ball
Once I switched to LD shafts 2 years ago, that shot became a lot easier for me personally. In fact, I love the inside English shot with a ball on or near the rail, about a diamond or 2 from the pocket, and the cb is near inside the kitchen, and you need to bring the cb three rails to get position. Man, it looks pretty, and not so scary anymore. I look forward to it now.
Stroke accuracy varies with speed, some players tuck the butt hand when they back swing, which when they hit the cue, it hits a little left hand english and steers the CB, putting TOI helps cure this issue. You have to know which speed you steer at, and apply TOI it will help, not all shots need it.
I actually learned to cinch shots using inside and will play inside patterns when they present.... Going 2 and 3 rails forward into zones instead of using outside and drawing the ball tends to be way easier to get the speed right... Inside is my preferred tool... May be why I need to stay active in hitting balls regularly to be able to even sniff my high gear... Right now 1 day a week has me stuck in 1st gear or even neutral some nights......
I've gotten comfortable using inside english when I need to. However, that comfort did come after a great deal of consternation and practice. I can't imagine using it "just to make the shot a little easier" like I use outside.
Actually my biggest problem is using too much inside english on certain shots and over-shooting my intended rebound angle.
Actually my biggest problem is using too much inside english on certain shots and over-shooting my intended rebound angle.
While inside may be useful in some situations to make the object ball, I find the effect that it has on the cue ball to be the most useful property of it, especially the way that an inside stun shot floats around the table or dies on the rail. Inside allows me to play a lot of shots at a more comfortable stroke speed in situations where I would have to slow roll the ball if I was playing outside to keep the cue ball under control.