Mosconi Cup Stats -- Career Records for Players on 2014 Teams

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With the 2014 Mosconi Cup event coming up in just 4 weeks, I thought it would be interesting again this year to examine the career Mosconi-Cup records of this year's players. Wikipedia shows all the match results from prior events, so I used that information to compile the combined records for each player.

Last year, the USA team entered the event with a combined 46 years of Cup experience, compared to 42 years for Team Europe. This year, the comparison is just 15 years for USA and 18 years for Europe. Six of the 10 players this year have 0, 1, or 2 years of experience.

For the following records, I counted a full win or loss for each player in a doubles' or trebles' match (i.e., not splitting the point into halves or thirds), and a win and a loss for everyone in a team match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths or sixths). So these numbers essentially answer the question: "In how many winning and losing matches was each player involved?"

Team USA

  • • Shane Van Boening (7 years -- 2007-2013) ..... 9-9 singles, 8-8 doubles, 3-4 teams, 20-21 total (winning percentage of 49%)

    • Corey Deuel (7 years -- 2000-2002, 2006-2007, 2009-2010) ..... 6-5 singles, 11-8 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 4-1 teams, 23-14 total (62%)

    • John Schmidt (1 year -- 2006) ..... 0-2 singles, 0-2 doubles, 1-1 trebles, 2-0 teams, 3-5 total (38%)

    • Justin Bergman (0 years -- rookie)

    • Justin Hall (0 years -- rookie)

    • Team USA Total ..... 15-16 singles, 19-18 doubles, 3-1 trebles, 9-5 teams, 46-40 total (53%)

Team Europe

  • • Niels Feijen (9 years -- 2001, 2004-2005, 2007-2009, 2011-2013) ..... 6-8 singles, 20-7 doubles, 3-3 teams, 29-18 total (62%)

    • Darren Appleton (5 years -- 2009-2013) ..... 6-3 singles, 6-9 doubles, 3-2 teams, 15-14 total (52%)

    • Karl Boyes (2 year -- 2010, 2013) ..... 2-1 singles, 5-1 doubles, 2-0 team, 9-2 total (82%)

    • Nick Ekonomopoulos (1 year -- 2012) ..... 1-1 singles, 2-1 doubles, 0-1 team, 3-3 total (50%)

    • Mark Gray (1 year -- 2008) ..... 0-0 singles, 1-2 doubles, 1-0 team, 2-2 total (50%)

    • Team Europe Total ..... 15-13 singles, 34-20 doubles, 9-6 teams, 58-39 total (60%)


Another way of looking at the records is to count a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, a half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, a third of a point for each player in a trebles (played only in 2006) win or loss, and one-fifth of a point (one-sixth in 2006 when the teams had 6 players) for each player in a team win or loss. So the following numbers essentially answer the question: "What numerical contribution has each player made to the overall Mosconi Cup scores?"

Team USA

  • • Van Boening ..... 13.6 - 13.8 (winning percentage 50%)
    • Deuel ..... 12.9 - 9.2 (58%)
    • Schmidt ..... 0.7 - 3.3 (18%)
    • Bergman
    • Hall
    • Team USA Total ..... 27.2 - 26.3 (51%)

Team Europe

  • • Feijen ..... 16.6 - 12.1 (58%)
    • Appleton ..... 9.6 - 7.9 (55%)
    • Boyes ..... 4.9 - 1.5 (77%)
    • Ekonomopoulos ..... 2.0 - 1.7 (54%)
    • Gray ..... 0.7 - 1.0 (41%)
    • Team Europe Total ..... 33.8 - 24.2 (58%)
 
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I place greater value on the latter set of the stats, but either way, the difference is 7% in win %.

Reading your stats, the conclusion I'm inclined to draw is that Bergman and Hall will be the key to this Mosconi Cup if the US is to pull off the upset. Given how well both performed at the US Open, I'm thinking that might be a good thing for Team USA.
 
AtLarge said:
... Wikipedia shows all the match results from prior events, so I used that information to compile the combined records for each player.
Last year, the USA team entered the event with a combined 46 years of Cup experience, compared to 42 years for Team Europe. This year, the comparison is just 15 years for USA and 18 years for Europe. Six of the 10 players this year have 0, 1, or 2 years of experience ...
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Great extraction, AtLarge!

However, personally, I look at stats themselves from previous events not too significant.
What I DO think is important is the number of years of experience (as you have presented) in a particular format/environment, such as the Mosconi Cup.

I said this once before, the Achilles heel (if there is one) for U.S.A. in terms of winning, is the zero experience of the two newbies.
That's okay, though; we are counting on the recently team-building dynamic to mitigate that shortcoming somewhat.

Again, I don't care if Team U.S.A. wins or not. That's not the issue for me.
It's a rebuilding year as we know. We must simply show some patience.
Team U.S.A. has to do TWO THINGS only this year: play as a team and do so in a professional manner.

If those characteristics are shown by our players then we can justify the approach Mr. Wilson has proffered.
That is the most important thing for our team (whether they realize it or not) because its affects will be longer term.
A Mosconi Cup win is merely a win for that year.

However, an excellent showing by Team U.S.A. by way of a more team-spirited and professional angle,
is long-lasting and will set the bar for our future teams.

If our boys simply focus on what they are being taught over the past year or so, then the wins will come.
If they lose sight of their overarching vision and get selfish by worrying about their OWN performance,
then our team is in trouble.
I truly hope Mr. Wilson has instilled that particular philosophy in the team.
 
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boogeyman said:
Again, I don't care if Team U.S.A. wins or not. That's not the issue for me. It's a rebuilding year as we know. We must simply show some patience. Team U.S.A. has to do TWO THINGS only this year: play as a team and do so in a professional manner.
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Wow, talk about low expectations. Rebuilding year? Not exactly. We're sending a good team.

Team USA has played with unity and professionalism in eighteen of the nineteen Mosconi Cup events, and in every year in which it was permitted to choose its own team.

Yes, the Matchroom-chosen Team USA of 2013 took a step backward but if all you are looking for is a return to the outstanding team unity and professionalism that has always characterized Team USA, you've set the bar very low. Only one of the five members of the truly embarrassing team we put forth in 2013 is returning, and it's a guy that behaved appropriately, so why would you worry?

If our guys bring the excitement back to the Mosconi event by being animated and skillful in their play, that will help, but winning is the thing.

Hopefully, none of our Mosconi 5 see this as a rebuilding year.
 
I know a lot of people were pulling for Mike Dechaine to play on the MC team this year, and I can't deny that he's playing great but his track record is not very good thus far. I do think he'll get a chance to prove himself again in the coming years if he continues to gain composure, his game is certainly growing. Here are his stats, I think these are correct, don't get too worked up if they are not...

• Mike Dechaine (2 years) ..... 1-3 singles, 1-4 doubles, 1-1 teams, 3-8 total (27%)
 
MOJOE said:
I know a lot of people were pulling for Mike Dechaine to play on the MC team this year, and I can't deny that he's playing great but his track record is not very good thus far. I do think he'll get a chance to prove himself again in the coming years if he continues to gain composure, his game is certainly growing. Here are his stats, I think these are correct, don't get too worked up if they are not...

• Mike Dechaine (2 years) ..... 1-3 singles, 1-4 doubles, 1-1 teams, 3-8 total (27%)
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Mike, who is a much better player now than he was two years ago, is not the issue, but getting behind our tMosconi 5 is.

This team can win, and I'm growing very tired of those who are already making excuses and speaking of how they might be satisfied with a loss.

We can do this!
 
I agree with you Stu, we can do this. Hoping Team USA brings it, they have my full support!
 
MOJOE said:
I know a lot of people were pulling for Mike Dechaine to play on the MC team this year, and I can't deny that he's playing great but his track record is not very good thus far. I do think he'll get a chance to prove himself again in the coming years if he continues to gain composure, his game is certainly growing. Here are his stats, I think these are correct, don't get too worked up if they are not...

• Mike Dechaine (2 years) ..... 1-3 singles, 1-4 doubles, 1-1 teams, 3-8 total (27%)
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Yes, that is his combined record for 2011 and 2012.

Converting that into my other way of counting (contribution to the overall Cup scores), we have 1.7 points on the winning side and 5.2 points on the losing side (winning percentage 25%).

But, as sjm has pointed out, I think Mike is simply better now than he was then. And, hopefully, he will have a chance to show that in future Cups -- but not this year.
 
thanks for the stats
how Mark Gray adapts will be another key part of this cup and how he will do in the individual match ups, I don't think he has been on great form even though I know he won his event to get on the team

Phil Burford would have been the other knocking on the door
 
that's very valuable info! Thank you so much for your contribution AtLarge, AZB's stats keeper :thumbup:
 
MOJOE said:
I know a lot of people were pulling for Mike Dechaine to play on the MC team this year, and I can't deny that he's playing great but his track record is not very good thus far. I do think he'll get a chance to prove himself again in the coming years if he continues to gain composure, his game is certainly growing. Here are his stats, I think these are correct, don't get too worked up if they are not...

• Mike Dechaine (2 years) ..... 1-3 singles, 1-4 doubles, 1-1 teams, 3-8 total (27%)
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As puzzling to me is why SVB is always seen as a "dead cert, has to make the team" player by so many people, when he actually has a losing record (and a .500 in singles play) at the Mosconi.

Shane is an excellent singles player outside of this competition, I don't think there's any denying that, but I don't think he should be the automatic pick many consider him to be.

Another thing to consider, though, which kind of goes against my previous point, is that the better players are often matched up against one another - I remember Shane and Daz facing off a couple of times in the cup two years ago, for example - so winning %s on the whole will be lacking that context.

Cool thread, though. Thanks for posting the stats.
 
We're now just about 48 hours from the start of the '14 Cup, so I thought I'd bump up this thread for anyone who wants to see (for the first time or to review) the career Mosconi-Cup records of this year's players on both teams.
 
A month ago, prior to this year's event, I posted the career Mosconi Cup records of this year's 10 players. Here's the update adding in the 2014 results.

For the following records, I counted a full win or loss for each player in a doubles' or trebles' match (i.e., not splitting the point into halves or thirds), and a win and a loss for everyone in a team match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths or sixths). So these numbers essentially answer the question: "In how many winning and losing matches was each player involved?"

Team USA

  • • Shane Van Boening (8 years -- 2007-2014) ..... 9-12 singles, 9-10 doubles, 3-5 teams, 21-27 total (winning percentage of 44%)

    • Corey Deuel (8 years -- 2000-2002, 2006-2007, 2009-2010, 2014) ..... 6-6 singles, 13-9 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 4-2 teams, 25-17 total (60%)

    • John Schmidt (2 years -- 2006, 2014) ..... 1-2 singles, 0-5 doubles, 1-1 trebles, 2-1 teams, 4-9 total (31%)

    • Justin Bergman (1 year -- 2014) ..... 0-2 singles, 1-1 doubles, 0-1 teams, 1-4 total (20%)

    • Justin Hall (1 year -- 2014) ..... 1-0 singles, 2-1 doubles, 0-1 teams, 3-2 total (60%)

    • Team USA Total ..... 17-22 singles, 25-26 doubles, 3-1 trebles, 9-10 teams, 54-59 total (48%)

Team Europe

  • • Niels Feijen (10 years -- 2001, 2004-2005, 2007-2009, 2011-2014) ..... 8-8 singles, 21-8 doubles, 4-3 teams, 33-19 total (63%)

    • Darren Appleton (6 years -- 2009-2014) ..... 8-3 singles, 7-11 doubles, 4-2 teams, 19-16 total (54%)

    • Karl Boyes (3 years -- 2010, 2013-2014) ..... 3-1 singles, 7-2 doubles, 3-0 team, 13-3 total (81%)

    • Nick Ekonomopoulos (2 years -- 2012, 2014) ..... 2-2 singles, 5-1 doubles, 1-1 team, 8-4 total (67%)

    • Mark Gray (2 years -- 2008, 2014) ..... 0-1 singles, 2-4 doubles, 2-0 team, 4-5 total (44%)

    • Team Europe Total ..... 21-15 singles, 42-26 doubles, 14-6 teams, 77-47 total (62%)


Another way of looking at the records is to count a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, a half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, a third of a point for each player in a trebles (played only in 2006) win or loss, and one-fifth of a point (one-sixth in 2006 when the teams had 6 players) for each player in a team win or loss. So the following numbers essentially answer the question: "What numerical contribution has each player made to the overall Mosconi Cup match scores?"

Team USA

  • • Van Boening ..... 14.1 - 18.0 (winning percentage 44%)
    • Deuel ..... 13.9 - 10.9 (56%)
    • Schmidt ..... 1.7 - 5.0 (25%)
    • Bergman ..... 0.5 - 2.7 (16%)
    • Hall ..... 2.0 - 0.7 (74%)
    • Team USA Total ..... 32.2 - 37.3 (46%)

Team Europe

  • • Feijen ..... 19.3 - 12.6 (61%)
    • Appleton ..... 12.3 - 8.9 (58%)
    • Boyes ..... 7.1 - 2.0 (78%)
    • Ekonomopoulos ..... 4.7 - 2.7 (64%)
    • Gray ..... 1.4 - 3.0 (32%)
    • Team Europe Total ..... 44.8 - 29.2 (61%)
 
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Appleton's singles record is super impressive, especially considering (going kind of from memory here) he's often ended up playing the better players on the other team.
 
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