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Ariel Carmeli Cues? - 08-23-2006, 01:00 PM

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I've seen some really nice looking Carmeli cues on the internet but have never had the chance to hit with one of his cues. Can somebody describe the hit of his cues and compare against other top cue makes. Im looking at getting one with an Ivory joint and a balance point ~ 18.5-19" from the butt. I currently play with an Espiritu and want a cue with more forward balance and a bit more feedback when striking the cue ball. Any hints or suggestions are appreciated.

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excellent cues - 08-23-2006, 03:31 PM

Since I only own 3 AC CUES I guess I might be biased......Just kidding...

To compare it to your current Espiritu.......Well there is no comparison........The AC is in my opinion 10 fold better......Firm hit.....Great Feedback......Tons of available cue ball action.......Excellent craftmenship.............Great Look and Balance.........


Actually I have owned many different cues, but fell in love with the feel of the AC cue...........

The closest comparisons I can give you(my opinion ofcourse):
As for the Hit/Feedback----closest to an AC--Franklin era Southwest
As for English capabilities----closest to an AC----Cognescenti(sp)
As for Look/balance---close comparisons----Southwest or a TAD


One of these days I will snap a few pics of my AC's and post them....
  
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08-23-2006, 07:03 PM

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Hi,

I've seen some really nice looking Carmeli cues on the internet but have never had the chance to hit with one of his cues. Can somebody describe the hit of his cues and compare against other top cue makes. Im looking at getting one with an Ivory joint and a balance point ~ 18.5-19" from the butt. I currently play with an Espiritu and want a cue with more forward balance and a bit more feedback when striking the cue ball. Any hints or suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,

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I've owned two. Closest comparisons are Cognoscenti and Southwest. The hit is somewhere between these two. Good quality workmanship, a little pricey for me tho.
  
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08-23-2006, 10:13 PM

My everyday player, my Ariel, is as good or better than any cue I've owned. Excellent feedback and nice build quality. Its point and shoot--firm but not overly stiff hit. AC has had really good shaftwood since the beginning of the year. I think they are some of the better playing cues out there. Pricing ain't bad at all for what you get. Build quality is better than ever.

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I've seen some really nice looking Carmeli cues on the internet but have never had the chance to hit with one of his cues. Can somebody describe the hit of his cues and compare against other top cue makes. Im looking at getting one with an Ivory joint and a balance point ~ 18.5-19" from the butt. I currently play with an Espiritu and want a cue with more forward balance and a bit more feedback when striking the cue ball. Any hints or suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,

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08-24-2006, 07:34 AM

[QUOTE=jay helfert]I've owned two. Closest comparisons are Cognoscenti and Southwest. The hit is somewhere between these two. Good quality workmanship, a little pricey for me tho.[/QUOTE
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i have 1 for now lovethe hit .got another coming soon .. i love the hit, stiff and on the mark...price is good if u go low u can find some lowenders somewere..


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My Experience - 08-24-2006, 07:46 AM

My friend has a set. Ivory, Ivory, Ivory. Nothing above the wrap comes together right. I mean even, it just don't look right. One is suppose to be a break cue. The tip flew off when tried. This is a $4,000 pair guys. They look pretty, but I would have to play with one for a while before I purchased. I sure as hell wouldn't buy one without seeing it in person. JMHO and limited experience.
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08-24-2006, 07:47 AM

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My everyday player, my Ariel, is as good or better than any cue I've owned. Excellent feedback and nice build quality. Its point and shoot--firm but not overly stiff hit. AC has had really good shaftwood since the beginning of the year. I think they are some of the better playing cues out there. Pricing ain't bad at all for what you get. Build quality is better than ever.

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That's a real sweet looking cue. Is that a bocote forearm?

I have never seen one in person but I know, speaking with other makers, that his cues are very good and that he is well respected.


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08-24-2006, 08:25 AM

I have had about 10 of them and they all hit well. Have known Ariel since Best Billiard days, he is a good guy, won't let a cue out unless it's done right and he doesn't cut corners. He is a cuemaker though and his sense of time is somewhat warped, but for cues he makes a good a cue as anyone.

He studied x-rays of all the great cuemakers while at Best Billiards and knows a lot of the current makers. His designs are attractive in my book and they hit as good as they look. He makes a lot of cues for J & J america and they sell his cues in Taiwan also, hear a certain amount even go to Japan.
  
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08-24-2006, 08:36 AM

Koop, Thanks for the compliment on the cue. It is bocote forearm. I really like figured bocote. Its a great cue wood but I understand lots of people don't like the looks of bocote. One of the 2 shafts that came with this cue is best playing shaft I've owned ever.

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08-24-2006, 08:51 AM

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Hi,

I've seen some really nice looking Carmeli cues on the internet but have never had the chance to hit with one of his cues. Can somebody describe the hit of his cues and compare against other top cue makes. Im looking at getting one with an Ivory joint and a balance point ~ 18.5-19" from the butt. I currently play with an Espiritu and want a cue with more forward balance and a bit more feedback when striking the cue ball. Any hints or suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,

pip9ball
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Do not, and I repeat, do NOT go out and buy a Carmelli cue just because you've been seeing some nice looking ones here and there. Hit with several first. Also, examine every inch of his craftsmanship. Make sure it meets your standards. Don't just buy something because it looks nice and others seem to like it. I've played with several before and what I can tell you is this:

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The closest comparisons I can give you(my opinion ofcourse):
As for the Hit/Feedback----closest to an AC--Franklin era Southwest
As for Look/balance---close comparisons----Southwest or a TAD
This is NOT true. Jerry Franklin is considered by many to have produced some of the greatest playing cues ever made. Firm hit and incredibly response... moreso than most if not all others. His cues are highly coveted and that is certainly not for their design as many were just plain 6 pointers.

As for the look, close comparisons are NOT Southwest or Tad. It is only within the last few years that Carmeli's points begin to line up. And, in his defense, he does quite a bit more design wise than Southwest. However, i have yet to see a single AC cue that I confused for a Southwest, and as for TAD, I'm not even sure that anyone could confuse the two. There is no comparison. Tad Kohara does some of the most intricate inlay work I have ever seen. Ariel Carmeli does good inlay work but they are A) not of the same caliber, and B) of a completely different style.

I am not trying to steer you away from Ariel Carmeli. I do, however, urge you to hit with cues by any cuemaker that you are considering investing in. I would hate to see you invest money in something that you've never hit with and have it turn out to be not quite what you expected. Maybe Carmeli is the guy for you. All I'm saying is make your own comparisons because as you can see, everyone will have different views on the same product. Some for it. Some against it. One man's whiskey is another man's wine.

Good luck in the search.
  
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08-24-2006, 10:34 AM

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My friend has a set. Ivory, Ivory, Ivory. Nothing above the wrap comes together right. I mean even, it just don't look right. One is suppose to be a break cue. The tip flew off when tried. This is a $4,000 pair guys. They look pretty, but I would have to play with one for a while before I purchased. I sure as hell wouldn't buy one without seeing it in person. JMHO and limited experience.
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Your friend should contact Ariel. If they are really as bad as you say, Ariel will make it right, and if he gives you even the briefest problem about it, PM me, and I'll go strong arm him for you.
  
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I have had about 10 of them and they all hit well. Have known Ariel since Best Billiard days, he is a good guy, won't let a cue out unless it's done right and he doesn't cut corners. He is a cuemaker though and his sense of time is somewhat warped, but for cues he makes a good a cue as anyone.

He studied x-rays of all the great cuemakers while at Best Billiards and knows a lot of the current makers. His designs are attractive in my book and they hit as good as they look. He makes a lot of cues for J & J america and they sell his cues in Taiwan also, hear a certain amount even go to Japan.
I'm wondering who you are now....I worked at Best Billiards for about 2 years.
  
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AC-cues - 08-24-2006, 01:18 PM

As I posted above in my previous post-----IN MY OPINION......

Wow, Pharoah---------how to jump off the deep end.........Those were close comparisons..........Not exact.........And quite honestly I am not for sure if Ariel would even want his cues compared to them......I personally think his cues play better than the much desired Southwest cue........I think they look better than a Southwest cue too..........And as for your Tad inlay statement--------------it was a comparison---------Yes Tad does great inlay work------------and I know since I watched Ariel restore close to 10 TAD's almost 10 years ago..........

And onto another response.........Best Billiard was where I met Ariel long ago too........Spent many a day hanging out in that little cue shop where Ariel began his mastering of the cue arts...........


As for having problems with an Ariel..........He will go out of his way to fix any such problem with a cue he has built...........

As for points not lining up Pharoah------------I will call that absurd.........I have never seen one that he has built not line up............I am anal when it comes to nice cue sticks-----------Consider Ariel 10 times more anal than that...............He will not put something out there with his name on it if he would not play with the cue himself or be proud to have his name on it..................

I have an Ariel that is 10 years old has some of the sharpest points I have ever seen on a cue and guess what they all LINE UP............


With all that said------to the original poster-------if you do decide to purchase an AC cue I believe you will not be dissappointed........
  
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08-24-2006, 01:30 PM

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