Stan James World Open Odds - Some crazy odds again!

TheOne

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5 Filipinos fill out top 5 spots!

Efren, Reyes 10/1
Marlon, Manalo 10/1
Alex, Pagulayan 12/1
Dennis, Orcollo 16/1
Francisco, Bustamante 16/1
Chia-Ching, Wu 20/1
Thorsten, Hohmann 20/1
Johnny, Archer 22/1
Ronato, Alcano 22/1
Corey, Deuel 25/1
Mika, Immonen 25/1
Earl, Strickland 28/1
Oliver, Ortmann 33/1
Ralf, Souquet 33/1
Rodney, Morris 33/1
Hsia, Hui-Kai 40/1
Marcus, Chamat 40/1
Santos, Sambajon 40/1
Jose, Parica 50/1
Niels, Feijen 50/1
Thomas, Engert 50/1
Gabriel, Owen 66/1
Jeremy, Jones 66/1
Rafael, Martinez 66/1
Troy, Frank 66/1
Antonio, Lining 80/1
Charles, Williams 80/1
Jason, Kirkwood 80/1
Shawn, Putnam 80/1
Tang, Hoa 80/1
Dee, Adkins 100/1
Dennis, Hatch 100/1
Evgeny, Stalev 100/1
George, Breedlove 100/1
Hung, Ming Chu 100/1
John, Schmidt 100/1
Kazuo, Furuta 100/1
Kim, Davenport 100/1
Larry, Nevel 100/1
Michael, Davis 100/1
Nick, Van Den Berg 100/1
Quinten, Hann 100/1
Raj, Hundal 100/1
Ramil, Gallego 100/1
Rico, Diks 100/1
Thomas, Kennedy 100/1
Tony, Robles 100/1
Warren, Kiamco 100/1
Darren, Appleton 125/1
Daryl, Peach 125/1
Jason, Miller 125/1
Jon, Kucharo 125/1
Shannon, Daulton 125/1
Alex, Lely 150/1
Chris, Melling 150/1
David, Broxson 150/1
Ernesto, Dominguez 150/1
Frank, Hernandez 150/1
Garrett, Schaar 150/1
Goh, Takami 150/1
Imran, Majid 150/1
Jeff, Melton 150/1
Ronnie, O'Sullivan 150/1
Sandor, Tot 150/1
Shane, Van Boening 150/1
Tony, Drago 150/1
Markus, Juva 175/1
Ray, Martin 175/1
Bobby, Hunter 200/1
David, Matlock 200/1
Fabio, Petroni 200/1
George, San Souci 200/1
Grady, Mathews 200/1
James, Walden 200/1
Karl, Boyes 200/1
Keith, Mccready 200/1
Marco, Marquez 200/1
Michael, Hill 200/1
Nick, Varner 200/1
Takeshi, Okumura 200/1
Theodore, Garrahan 200/1
Ronald, Wiseman 225/1
Brian, Groce 250/1
Cliff, Joyner 250/1
Danny, Harriman 250/1
Frank, Alvarez 250/1
Jeff, Beckley 250/1
Jimmy, Wetch 250/1
Lee, Heuwagen 250/1
Marko, Lohtander 250/1
Michael, Massey 250/1
Steve, Moore 250/1
Tom, Storm 250/1
Yannick, Beaufils 250/1
Akikumo, Toshikawa 300/1
Ben, Nunan 300/1
Carl, Morris 300/1
Christopher, Bartram 300/1
Daniel, Basavich 300/1
David, Alcaide 300/1
Hiroshi, Takenaka 300/1
Jimitri, Jungo 300/1
Johl, Younger 300/1
Larry, Schwartz 300/1
Luc, Salvas 300/1
Max, Eberle 300/1
Paul, Potier 300/1
Ralph, Eckert 300/1
Robert, Mckenna 300/1
Roman, Hybler 300/1
Brady, Gollan 350/1
Ivica, Putnik 350/1
Johnathan, Macias 350/1
Patrick, Holtz 350/1
Philip, Harrison 350/1
Charles, Bryant 400/1
Joern, Kaplan 400/1
Leil, Gay 400/1
Mike, Sigel 400/1
Neil, Raybone 400/1
Samuel, Jones 400/1
Stefan, Santl 400/1
Allen, Hopkins 500/1
Ben, Davies 500/1
Bernard, Jahnke 500/1
David, Alcoberro 500/1
David, Reljic 500/1
Davide, Pascasi 500/1
Edwin, Montal 500/1
Glenn, Atwell 500/1
Howard, Vickery 500/1
Jayson, Shaw 500/1
Jerry, Calderon 500/1
John, Wims 500/1
Kevin, Becker 500/1
Lee, Chenman 500/1
Michael, Zimmerman 500/1
Sal, Butera 500/1
Scotty, Townsend 500/1
Stan, Tourangeau 500/1
Toni, Judet 500/1
Tony, Chohan 500/1
Andreja, Klasovic 750/1
Dallas, West 750/1
Gerry, Watson 750/1
Jimmy, White 750/1
John, Kutcher 750/1
Mike, Gulyassy 750/1
Rafael, Gonzalez 750/1
Roland, Acosta 750/1
Tyler, Edey 750/1
Wayne, Catledge 750/1
Alejandro, Carvajal 1000/1
Allison, Fisher 1000/1
Austin, Murphy 1000/1
Ike, Runnels 1000/1
James, Fusco 1000/1
James, Roberts 1000/1
John, Di Toro 1000/1
Joseph, Minici 1000/1
Laurent, Travers 1000/1
Leonardo, Gunnar 1000/1
Louis, Butera 1000/1
Paul, Brienza 1000/1
Pete, Fusco 1000/1
Robin, Dodson 1000/1
Tuan Kiat, Goh 1000/1
Vincent, Facquet 1000/1
Wade, Crane 1000/1
Zlatko, Jakulj 1000/1
Bernard, Friend 1250/1
Aaron, Czetli 1500/1
Aaron, Franken 1500/1
Adam, Wheeler 1500/1
Brian, Saleh 1500/1
Colin, Colenso 1500/1
Edwin, Kelly 1500/1
Ewa, Laurance 1500/1
Gerda, Hofstatter 1500/1
Helena, Thornfeldt 1500/1
Jim, Raney 1500/1
Karen, Corr 1500/1
Kelly, Fisher 1500/1
Loree Jon, Jones 1500/1
Michael, Cernero 1500/1
Mike, Lebron 1500/1
Miyuki, Sakai 1500/1
Mori, Manabu 1500/1
Ryan, Keller 1500/1
William, Incardona 1500/1
Daniel, Di Liberto 2000/1
Jackie, Broadhurst 2000/1
Jasmin, Ouschan 2000/1
Linda, Carter 2000/1
Mary, Kenniston 2000/1
Monica, Webb 2000/1
Ouahbi, Amine 2000/1
Sarah, Ellerby 2000/1
Tammie, Jones 2000/1
 
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I'm just fried that Ryan Keller is still above me, lol.

Why is Mike Z listed at 500 to 1 and Keith is 250 to 1 when Mike beat Keith straight up?

You'd think they would at least be even according to the IPT standings, which they very obviously did not go off of.

And why do they have commas between their first and last names? :confused:
 
rackmsuckr said:
I'm just fried that Ryan Keller is still above me, lol.

Why is Mike Z listed at 500 to 1 and Keith is 250 to 1 when Mike beat Keith straight up?

You'd think they would at least be even according to the IPT standings, which they very obviously did not go off of.

And why do they have commas between their first and last names? :confused:
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You got above Ellerby which should make you smile given her performance, comma's are a pretty standard when listing surnames first, what do you mean? :confused:
 
Surprising for me would be Rico Diks at 100-1 and Hohmann not being favorite, add to that Jasmin at 2000-1!

gr. Dave
 
rackmsuckr said:
Why is Mike Z listed at 500 to 1 and Keith is 250 to 1 when Mike beat Keith straight up?

You'd think they would at least be even according to the IPT standings, which they very obviously did not go off of.
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Odds aren't based on just one tournament or match they are based on a combination of recent results and career results. That is why Hohmann is listed at 20/1 and Efren and Manalo are listed at 10/1 even though Hohmann beat them both and won the last tournament.
 
Worst Lines

Jasmin 2000-1
Alvarez 250-1

The first five Favs all flipinos- maybe John Schmidt can come on and explain his 'Filipinos not too good at 8 Ball' theory in more detail.
 
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to be honest these outright bets are poor value, just too many decent players and low odds at the sharp end.

I just hope they have individual lines in the first round, without doubt this will turn up a few easy multibets.
 
cheesemouse said:
I'm liking Danny, Harriman 250/1 for my darkhorse
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That is a bet hard to turn down. So are, Jeremy Jones, Jose Parica, and John Schmidt. Long odds.
I just hope there are no repeat winners and none return to the top for. Spread the money out.
I'll bet Danny plays like he is on a mission from God.
 
Keith Buck said:
Odds aren't based on just one tournament or match they are based on a combination of recent results and career results.
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Erm... I think bookmakers know perfectly well how to work out odds. It's delusional punters convincing themselves that favourite means most likely to win that keeps them in yachts and helipads.

Boro Nut
 
TheOne said:
You got above Ellerby which should make you smile given her performance, comma's are a pretty standard when listing surnames first, what do you mean? :confused:
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The surname is not listed first. Our Queen is right. There's no reason for the commas.
 
Boro Nut said:
Erm... I think bookmakers know perfectly well how to work out odds. It's delusional punters convincing themselves that favourite means most likely to win that keeps them in yachts and helipads.

Boro Nut
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I was simply giving a basic explanation why a player could have lower odds than a player who beat him in the last tournament. Of course other things factor in to it. The Dallas Cowboys always have lower odds than they really deserve because they have a large fan base and a large number of people will bet on them simply because they are fans of the team.

That doesn't change the fact that a list of players like this would probably be developed based on the performance that the bookmaker expected(or rankings) and then it would be adjusted to account for other factors.
 
rackmsuckr said:
I'm just fried that Ryan Keller is still above me, lol.

Why is Mike Z listed at 500 to 1 and Keith is 250 to 1 when Mike beat Keith straight up?

You'd think they would at least be even according to the IPT standings, which they very obviously did not go off of. :confused:
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I do think that the bookie is setting the odds based on other statistically significant factors, maybe the player's track record, and not on one sole match in Vegas last month.

In the last 5 years, I know that Keith has not competed in any tournament outside of the continential United States. I'm not sure who's making the odds for Stan James, but it's obvious that they're a little GREEN when it comes to American players. Some of the odds of the American players are way off, IMHO.

I thought Mike Z played EXCELLENT in Vegas at the N.A. 8-Ball Championship, and, yes, he did defeat Keith in fine fashion in round one. :)

If I were a betting person, though, not taking one thing away from how well Mike Z plays, I'd put my money on Keith. I might lose in the long run, but I'm a little more familiar with Keith's game and believe that he just may be able to defeat Mike Z, if given another opportunity, especially if he's not wearing a long-sleeved button-down shirt. :D

JAM
 
JAM said:
I do think that the bookie is setting the odds based on other statistically significant factors, maybe the player's track record, and not on one sole match in Vegas last month.

In the last 5 years, I know that Keith has not competed in any tournament outside of the continential United States. I'm not sure who's making the odds for Stan James, but it's obvious that they're a little GREEN when it comes to American players. Some of the odds of the American players are way off, IMHO.

I thought Mike Z played EXCELLENT in Vegas at the N.A. 8-Ball Championship, and, yes, he did defeat Keith in fine fashion in round one. :)

If I were a betting person, though, not taking one thing away from how well Mike Z plays, I'd put my money on Keith. I might lose in the long run, but I'm a little more familiar with Keith's game and believe that he just may be able to defeat Mike Z, if given another opportunity, especially if he's not wearing a long-sleeved button-down shirt. :D

JAM
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LOL, probably so, JAM!
 
TheOne said:
You got above Ellerby which should make you smile given her performance, comma's are a pretty standard when listing surnames first, what do you mean? :confused:
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That's true, and given that both Sarah and Jasmin are ranked the same as I (but not for long!) is dumb too.

The surnames are not listed first, the first names are, with a comma in between. ;) Is that what they mean by hiding in plain sight?
 
If you want a good outside bet look at Appleton at 125/1. Brilliant english pool player at the top of that game for so many years and never far away in anything he enters. He was disappointed with his finish in LV but still managed 10th place.
 
rackmsuckr said:
That's true, and given that both Sarah and Jasmin are ranked the same as I (but not for long!) is dumb too.

The surnames are not listed first, the first names are, with a comma in between. ;) Is that what they mean by hiding in plain sight?
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Doh! Me bad! :confused:

(they must have got names mixed up then)
 
TheOne said:
Doh! Me bad! :confused:

(they must have got names mixed up then)
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That's ok, it will just cost you one rep bar or backing away 1" off Timberly's bum, lol.
 
WOW.

Ralf Souquet had the highest break and run percentage of the tournament and had just as good of a chance as anyone else to win the NAO.

IN fact, anyone who gets down to the last group of 6 has a real chance of winning it all. Bustamante did not (not that he doesn't have the same chance to win it all too), but he's given better odds.
 
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