Break Stats -- Big Tyme Classic 9-Ball (on 7-footers), May 2015

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Here are some aggregate break statistics from the 2015 Big Tyme Classic 9-Ball event, streamed free by PoolActionTV from Big Tyme Billiards in Spring, Texas.

The conditions for this event included: Diamond 7-foot tables, Simonis cloth, wooden rack, alternate breaks, rack your own, break from anywhere behind the line, jump cues allowed, all slop counts except spot any 9-ball made on the break in either of the foot-rail pockets.

The 15 streamed races to 7 that I watched (155 games) were as follows:

Saturday, May 30​
Skyler Woodward def. Alex Pagulayan 7-2​
Robb Saez d. Charlie Bryant 7-5​
Alex Olinger d. Justin Hall 7-5​
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Sunday, May 31 (and early the next morning)​
Yu Hsuan (Kevin) Cheng d. Josh Roberts 7-4​
Charlie Bryant d. Jeremy Jones 7-3​
Manny Chau d. Jamie Farrell 7-2​
Alex Pagulayan d. Jamie Baraks 7-3​
Ruben Bautista d. Billy Sharp 7-4​
Kevin Cheng d. Manny Chau 7-3​
Alex Pagulayan d. Manny Chau 7-3​
Alex Pagulayan d. Skyler Woodward 7-4​
Ruben Bautista d. Kevin Cheng 7-4​
Alex Pagulayan d. Kevin Cheng 7-3 (semifinals)​
Alex Pagulayan d. Ruben Bautista 7-2 (finals, set 1)​
Alex Pagulayan d. Ruben Bautista 7-3 (finals, set 2)​

Overall results -- The breaker made at least one ball (and did not foul) 81% of the time (126 of 155), won 55% of the games (86 of 155), and broke and ran 36% of the games (56 of 155).

Here's a more detailed breakdown of the 155 games.

Breaker made at least one ball and did not foul:​
Breaker won the game: 78 (50% of the 155 games)​
Breaker lost the game: 48 (31%)​
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Breaker fouled on the break:​
Breaker won the game: 1 (1%)​
Breaker lost the game: 7 (5%)​
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Breaker broke dry (without fouling):​
Breaker won the game: 7 (5%)​
Breaker lost the game: 14 (9%)​
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Therefore, whereas the breaker won 55% (86) of all 155 games,​
He won 62% (78 of 126) of the games in which he made at least one ball on the break and did not foul.​
He won 13% (1 of 8) of the games in which he fouled on the break.​
He won 33% (7 of 21) of the games in which he broke dry but did not foul.​
He won 28% (8 of 29) of the games in which he either fouled on the break or broke dry without fouling.​

Break-and-run games: The 56 break-and-run games represented 36% of all 155 games, 65% of the 86 games won by the breaker, and 44% of the 126 games in which the break was successful (made a ball and didn't foul).

With alternating breaks, B&R "packages" of the normal type are not possible. But we can still look at the breaks of a given player and see how many he ran on his own successive breaks, and we can call these "alternate-break packages." The 56 break-and-run games consisted of 2 alternate-break 3-packs (by Saez and Bautista), 12 alternate-break 2-packs, and 26 singles.

9-balls on the break: None.
 
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:thumbup:Thanks Great stuff

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Thanks!

I am always amazed that the breaker doesn't win more, a higher percentage of the total set.
 
Great stuff AtLarge! I would have expected higher clearance rates after successful breaks, but I suspect congestion is a significant issue.
 
How do these stats stack up against the big tables? Since there is an argument as to how easy 7 footers are.
 
Miscellany from the data for the 2015 Big Tyme Classic 9-Ball event (7-foot tables)
[This relates only to the 15 streamed matches I watched, as listed in post #1, not to all matches in the event.]

• In tournament winner Pagulayan's 7 streamed matches, he broke successfully at a 78% rate (28 of 36), won on his break at a 72% rate (26 of 36), and broke and ran at a 39% rate (14 of 36). For the streamed players other than Pagulayan, the comparable figures were 82%, 50%, and 35%.

• The most balls made on a single break was four -- once each by Olinger, Bautista, and Pagulayan. Bautista won that game by B&R; the other two players also won that game, but not by B&R.

• The average number of balls made on the break was 1.4 (this includes dry and fouled breaks). Excluding dry breaks, the average was 1.6. Excluding dry and fouled breaks, the average also was 1.6.

• Following the 8 breaking fouls, the incoming player ran out the game 7 times (88%).

• 62% of the games ended in one inning (96 of 155) -- 36% (56) won by the breaker (B&R) and 26% (40) won by the non-breaker.

• 47% (73) of the games were run out by the player who was at the table following the break -- 36% won by the breaker (B&R = 56 of 155) and 11% won by the non-breaker following a fouled or dry break (17 of 155). The breaker ran out on 44% of his successful breaks (56 of 126); the non-breaker ran out after 59% of the breaker's fouled or dry breaks (17 of 29).

• The average match score was 7 - 3.3. None of the streamed matches I watched went hill/hill. Only 2 of the 15 ended at 7 - 5.

• The average elapsed time for the matches was 52 minutes, or 5.1 minutes per game. The elapsed time was measured from the coin flip or lag until the winning ball was made (or conceded), so it includes time for racking and breaks (time-outs).

• The Bautista def. Cheng match was both longest in elapsed time (77 min.) and highest in average minutes per game (7.0).

• The Woodward d. Pagulayan match was shortest in elapsed time (36 min. for the 9 games). The Olinger d. Hall match was lowest in average minutes per game (3.8 min./game for the 12 games).
 
jburkm002 said:
How do these stats stack up against the big tables? Since there is an argument as to how easy 7 footers are.
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It varies quite a bit from event to event on 9-footers, depending on where the balls are racked, whether a racking template is being used, and whether they must break from a box (and, if so, the size of the box).

But the 81% for successful breaks and 36% for B&R games in this event are higher than in most 9-Ball events on 9-footers.

Another measure of how difficult the tables are is the percentage of run-outs by whoever is at the table after the break, whether it is the breaker after a successful break or the non-breaker after the breaker's fouled or dry break. That figure for the 15 matches on the 7-footers at Big Tyme was 47%. Here are some comparable figures (based on only the matches I watched) for three fairly recent 9-Ball events using 9-footers:
• 2014 WPA World 9-Ball Championship -- 41%
• Turning Stone XXIII 9-Ball Classic -- 36%
• 2015 DCC 9-Ball -- 39%.
 
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AtLarge said:
It varies quite a bit from event to event on 9-footers, depending on where the balls are racked, whether a racking template is being used, and whether they must break from a box (and, if so, the size of the box).

But the 81% for successful breaks and 36% for B&R games in this event are higher than in most 9-Ball events on 9-footers.

Another measure of how difficult the tables are is the percentage of run-outs by whoever is at the table after the break, whether it is the breaker after a successful break or the non-breaker after the breaker's fouled or dry break. That figure for the 15 matches on the 7-footers at Big Tyme was 47%. Here are some comparable figures (based on only the matches I watched) for three fairly recent 9-Ball events using 9-footers:
• 2014 WPA World 9-Ball Championship -- 41%
• Turning Stone XXIII 9-Ball Classic -- 36%
• 2015 DCC 9-Ball -- 39%.
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Thanks Atlarge
This is one vindication that 9ft tougher than 7ft
Further from the Big Tyme , I can only count from the matches you watched in 1 hand number of 1st and 2nd tier world class players
So the quality of field in Big Tyme is lower than the 9 ft events -had the field in 9 ft events played 7ft , the % for Big Tyme would have been higher
 
spartan said:
Thanks Atlarge
This is one vindication that 9ft tougher than 7ft
Further from the Big Tyme , I can only count from the matches you watched in 1 hand number of 1st and 2nd tier world class players
So the quality of field in Big Tyme is lower than the 9 ft events -had the field in 9 ft events played 7ft , the % for Big Tyme would have been higher
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Which 9ft events lol? Derby and the US Open? Meanwhile, John Morra, Alex, Kevin Cheng, Sky Woodward, Syler Ochoa, Robb Saez, James Baraks, Cliff Joyner, Jonathan Hennesee and a bunch of other players showed up. Chip Compton went 2 and out and got beat by a local guy for his first loss. Those are just the guys people know that can run out, there were plenty of guys that could that didn't play a champ on the TV table. The reality is than alternate break makes it difficult to get in a rhythm and a on a 7 foot table it becomes a break contest more than anything. Alternate break on a 9 footer is the same too because if you scratch, get hooked, get a bad roll, being down 2-3 games in that format is a death sentence. Its different from a mental standpoint as well.
 
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