Break Stats -- Young Guns vs. Old School 8-Ball, 9-Ball, and 10-Ball, June 2015

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Here are some break statistics from the 2015 Young Guns (Skyler Woodward and Justin Bergman) vs. Old School (Johnny Archer and Rodney Morris) event, played in St. Peters, MO at Teachers Billiards & Sports Cafe. Pay-per-view streaming was provided by OnCue2.com.

This was sort of a Mosconi-Cup format, but using 3 different disciplines -- 8-Ball, 9-Ball, and 10-Ball -- with play in both singles (2 matches at once) and scotch doubles. Each singles match counted for one point; each doubles match counted for two points. The first team to reach 10 points won. With the event tied at 8 points apiece, the Young Guns won the final scotch doubles match to take the event 10-8.

The conditions for this event included: two Diamond 9-foot tables, no jump cues allowed, rack your own or referee racks using a racking template, alternating breaks from anywhere behind the head string. In 8-Ball -- table open after the break, ball in hand anywhere on the table after a foul on the break, and spot any 8-ball made on the break. In 9-Ball and 10-Ball -- spot the game ball if made on the break. Shots had to be called In all 3 disciplines.

These stats are for all 15 matches, which are listed here in the order in which they were completed.

8-Ball, Fri. 6/19/15 and early the next morning​
Bergman defeated Morris 10-4​
Archer d. Woodward 10-8​
Morris d. Woodward 10-5​
Bergman d. Archer 10-8​
Woodward & Bergman d. Archer & Morris 10-5​
9-Ball, Sat. 6/20/15​
Woodward d. Morris 11-6​
Archer d. Bergman 11-7​
Woodward d. Archer 11-8​
Morris d. Bergman 11-10​
Archer & Morris d. Woodward & Bergman 11-9​

10-Ball, Sat. 6/20/15 and early the next morning​
Bergman d. Morris 9-6​
Archer d. Woodward 9-5​
Morris d. Woodward 9-3​
Bergman d. Archer 9-4​
Woodward & Bergman d. Archer & Morris 9-5 [These stats exclude the first 4 games of this match, as I temporarily lost the stream.]​

Results by team and player:

8-Ball
Breaker made at least one ball and did not foul​
Young Guns -- 27 of 41 = 66% (Woodward 14 of 22 = 64%, Bergman 13 of 19 = 68%)​
Old School -- 20 of 39 = 51% (Archer 15 of 22 = 68%, Morris 5 of 17 = 29%)​
Total -- 47 of 80 = 59%
Breaker's side won game​
Young Guns -- 24 of 41 = 59% (Woodward 11 of 22 = 50%, Bergman 13 of 19 = 68%)​
Old School -- 20 of 39 = 51% (Archer 12 of 22 = 55%, Morris 8 of 17 = 47%)​
Total -- 44 of 80 = 55%
Break-and-run games [Note: A B&R in a doubles game is credited here to the breaker.]​
Young Guns -- 15 of 41 = 37% (Woodward 8 of 22 = 36%, Bergman 7 of 19 = 37%)​
Old School -- 10 of 39 = 26% (Archer 8 of 22 = 36%, Morris 2 of 17 = 12%)​
Total -- 25 of 80 = 31%
9-Ball
Breaker made at least one ball and did not foul​
Young Guns -- 47 of 49 = 96% (Woodward 23 of 24 = 96%, Bergman 24 of 25 = 96%)​
Old School -- 42 of 46 = 91% (Archer 21 of 23 = 91%, Morris 21 of 23 = 91%)​
Total -- 89 of 95 = 94%
Breaker's side won game​
Young Guns -- 29 of 49 = 59% (Woodward 15 of 24 = 63%, Bergman 14 of 25 = 56%)​
Old School -- 27 of 46 = 59% (Archer 14 of 23 = 61%, Morris 13 of 23 = 57%)​
Total -- 56 of 95 = 59%
Break-and-run games​
Young Guns -- 18 of 49 = 37% (Woodward 12 of 24 = 50%, Bergman 6 of 25 = 24%)​
Old School -- 19 of 46 = 41% (Archer 10 of 23 = 43%, Morris 9 of 23 = 39%)​
Total -- 37 of 95 = 39%

10-Ball
Breaker made at least one ball and did not foul​
Young Guns -- 28 of 32 = 88% (Woodward 12 of 15 = 80%, Bergman 16 of 17 = 94%)​
Old School -- 21 of 32 = 66% (Archer 11 of 16 = 69%, Morris 10 of 16 = 63%)​
Total -- 49 of 64 = 77%
Breaker's side won game​
Young Guns -- 15 of 32 = 47% (Woodward 5 of 15 = 33%, Bergman 10 of 17 = 59%)​
Old School -- 15 of 32 = 47% (Archer 8 of 16 = 50%, Morris 7 of 16 = 44%)​
Total -- 30 of 64 = 47%
Break-and-run games​
Young Guns -- 7 of 32 = 22% (Woodward 1 of 15 = 7%, Bergman 6 of 17 = 35%)​
Old School -- 6 of 32 = 19% (Archer 4 of 16 = 25%, Morris 2 of 16 = 13%)​
Total -- 13 of 64 = 20%
 
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Thank you. Nice work again.
I noticed again 9 ball rack is rigged.. Totally different percentages than 10-ball.
94% nine ball WTF. That 77% is really good for ten ball too. I bet table was really slick and fast..

Edit. Wow. Noticed young guns had 91% at ten ball... Sick.
 
Thank you. Nice work again.
I noticed again 9 ball rack is rigged.. Totally different percentages than 10-ball.
94% nine ball WTF. That 77% is really good for ten ball too. I bet table was really slick and fast..

Edit. Wow. Noticed young guns had 91% at ten ball... Sick.

Thanks.

In 9-Ball, with the breaking template and the 1-ball on the foot spot, the wing ball went in nearly every time, and the 1-ball often went in the side as well. Kind of diminishes the game.

And, yes, the 77% successful-break rate in 10-Ball (88% for Young Guns) is high, too. At the CSI Invitational last year, with all top players and using the Magic Rack, it was 65%. Pretty small numbers for this recent event, however.
 
For comparison, in the 2014 WPA World 9-Ball Championship (also using the Magic Rack), the breaker made at least one ball (and did not break illegally or foul) in 89% of the streamed games (vs. 94% here) and had a 35% B&R rate (vs. 39% here).

So the 9-Ball results for this event are fairly consistent with prior results using the Magic Rack. The effects of using the Magic Rack are quite striking.

Edit -- And at least one object ball was pocketed on all 4 scratches on the break in this event. So the breaker failed to make a ball on the break in only 2 of the 95 games (2.1%). The comparable figure in the 2014 World 9-Ball event was 6 dry on 255 breaks (2.4%).
 
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Just as I suspected, AtLarge...
....as one gets older, one should play more straight pool and one pocket...
...where the older players can break as good as the younger ones.
 
Just as I suspected, AtLarge...
....as one gets older, one should play more straight pool and one pocket...
...where the older players can break as good as the younger ones.

Hey, with the Magic Rack in 9-Ball, it seems like we all might be able to break about the same.

I agree about 14.1, but not so much on 1P.:smile:
 
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