Andy cloth
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forgot about that, I was with/saw the owner yesterday and could of asked him.
I play on multiple Andy Cloth events per year, as Andy Cloth is based in Wyoming. In fact, I just won The Laramie Peak Invitational AA/AAA division yesterday on Andy Cloth.. :grin:
It is also on my main pool hall's tables, Mile High Billiards in Arvada, CO.
It plays great, and from what I hear, is less expensive than Simonis. Also, MHB's owner says it lasts longer....
Short Bus Russ - C Player
It is also on my main pool hall's tables, Mile High Billiards in Arvada, CO.
It plays great, and from what I hear, is less expensive than Simonis. Also, MHB's owner says it lasts longer....
Short Bus Russ - C Player
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%95 percent of pool table cloth on tables today is installed half assed, which reflects on the cloth %110.
Rob.M
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Rigggghhhhttt.
So, by your estimate, 95% of both Simonis and Andy cloth installations are done incorrectly.
And I have heard that Andy lasts longer and plays just as well, and is cheaper.
If both a Simonis and an Andy cloth installation are done by the same billiard mechanic, and Andy lasts longer, then any statement about the Simonis being installed incorrectly are irrelevant.
Are you a Simonis dealer rep, by any chance? Just askin'...
Short Bus Russ - C Player
I find them too slippery as well.
They are better suited for humid conditions .
Simonis slows down a lot under humid conditions.
But, in a relatively dry climate, Simonis is the best .
Fran how would you rate the cloth condition and maybe temperature at the time. I'm guessing you would of played on a wide array of cloth, tables, conditions and all that, and since new simonis slides also what gave you your overall rating.
Those who say that it last long, simonis has a HR version also, so does price affect ones decision and if they were the same price how would they stack up them
Cloth
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First off the quality of pool balls has a huge effect on cloth.
You want facts?
I don't have much time to discuss all this.* tho we can another time in another thread*
I'll give u a few facts that are in stone.
Simonis cloth- made is Belgium at a world class mill
Andy cloth- made in Taiwan
So I don't have to go I to detail and burn up time rite now that I don't have to spend typing, research the quality of wool to had from Belgium and study the quality of wool in to be had from Taiwan.
Then study/research the quality of yarn made in the mill that makes the textiles.
You'll see facts that's are set in stone.... It's like trying to argue that metal is harder than diamonds...
You want to wear good quality clothes that last, buy the clothes made with premium wool.<~ only premium wool - belly wool is reserved for high end premium textiles...simonis uses belly wool/highest quality. Why does Belgium produce the highest quality wool in the world....?
Simonis owns the sheep,farms,mill and the whole 9 yards from start to finish of the textile making process.... They have been making textiles since sliced bread... You think they are just winging it.......?
Simonis860HR is the best cloth for commercial poolrooms.
Rob.M
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First off the quality of pool balls has a huge effect on cloth.
You want facts?
I don't have much time to discuss all this.* tho we can another time in another thread*
I'll give u a few facts that are in stone.
Simonis cloth- made is Belgium at a world class mill
Andy cloth- made in Taiwan
So I don't have to go I to detail and burn up time rite now that I don't have to spend typing, research the quality of wool to had from Belgium and study the quality of wool in to be had from Taiwan.
Then study/research the quality of yarn made in the mill that makes the textiles.
You'll see facts that's are set in stone.... It's like trying to argue that metal is harder than diamonds...
You want to wear good quality clothes that last, buy the clothes made with premium wool.<~ only premium wool - belly wool is reserved for high end premium textiles...simonis uses belly wool/highest quality. Why does Belgium produce the highest quality wool in the world....?
Simonis owns the sheep,farms,mill and the whole 9 yards from start to finish of the textile making process.... They have been making textiles since sliced bread... You think they are just winging it.......?
Simonis860HR is the best cloth for commercial poolrooms.
Rob.M
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That is exactly the question trying to be answered, why would someone go with andy cloth over simonis.
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I'm not a fan. I played on it several times at Steinway. I found it to cause balls to slide and skid more than Simonis 860.
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I find them too slippery as well.
They are better suited for humid conditions .
Simonis slows down a lot under humid conditions.
But, in a relatively dry climate, Simonis is the best .
I'm not a fan... balls slide a bit on it, and it's real fast... can't really let your stroke out at all, gotta baby the CB for position... it keeps creeping...and creeping.
860, still the gold standard.
Originally Posted by FranCrimi
I'm not a fan. I played on it several times at Steinway. I found it to cause balls to slide and skid more than Simonis 860.
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I find them too slippery as well.
They are better suited for humid conditions .
Simonis slows down a lot under humid conditions.
But, in a relatively dry climate, Simonis is the best .
I'm not a fan... balls slide a bit on it, and it's real fast... can't really let your stroke out at all, gotta baby the CB for position... it keeps creeping...and creeping.
860, still the gold standard.
By the price I was quoted by the Andy cloth rep at the super billiards expo it's significantly cheaper. His price was almost $100 cheaper then buying somonis off a site like ozone billiards. I stopped buying championship tournament when they increased the price and somonis was only like $10 more but $100 dollars cheaper for cloth I feel plays just as good I'll buy it for my home table for sure.
Thanks tro, I think the situation affects the decision. I'm looking to do about 20 tables "hopefully" for a crowd that not only doesn't know but doesn't care or respect the tables. The house table "the only diamond and my personal table" I would like to go simonis on but not by being a brand whore if the difference to us mere mortals is negligible.
Originally i was going somonis all the way but had a moment of "oh yeah, those guys" kind of like what happens with Sprint... right... right
Originally i was going somonis all the way but had a moment of "oh yeah, those guys" kind of like what happens with Sprint... right... right
Jerry Forsyth
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Whenever folks ask me why pool goes nowhere I think of threads like this. NASCAR fans support their sponsors. They use Tide detergent and eat M&M's because those products promote the sport.
Pool fans want whatever is cheapest. Screw the companies that attempt to grow the game. I understand putting cheap cloth on a cheap table that is leveled with playing cards under the legs, but to put it on a Diamond or Gold Crown is close to heresy.
With all that Aramith/Simonis do to promote the sport I would never even consider sourcing balls and cloth from anyone else. As fans we need to help them spend on the game.
Now someone will come on behind me and say "You mean I should pay more for the same thing?" No. You should pay more for the quality control and to support the game. By the way, when it comes to cloth try holding it up to a sunny window and judge the consistency for yourself.
Pool fans want whatever is cheapest. Screw the companies that attempt to grow the game. I understand putting cheap cloth on a cheap table that is leveled with playing cards under the legs, but to put it on a Diamond or Gold Crown is close to heresy.
With all that Aramith/Simonis do to promote the sport I would never even consider sourcing balls and cloth from anyone else. As fans we need to help them spend on the game.
Now someone will come on behind me and say "You mean I should pay more for the same thing?" No. You should pay more for the quality control and to support the game. By the way, when it comes to cloth try holding it up to a sunny window and judge the consistency for yourself.
First, I think the only reason why Andy cloth was on the tables at Steinway for awhile was because it was the sponsor cloth of Charlie Williams' 14.1 event that was played there. I was happy to find that the cloths were replaced with Simonis 860 well before their useful lives ended.
We have John, who installs cloth in the NYC area, and we are very lucky to have him, so installation is not an issue.
As for Andy cloth: I played on it new --- it slid a lot. I played on it when it was worn --- about mid-life --- it still slid a lot. The weather varied at the time --- some days were dry and other days were wet. The cloth still slid a lot and the slides were unpredictable. It felt like playing on some sort of Teflon-like surface.
When they changed the cloth back to Simonis, my game immediately improved. The cb was back to doing what I expected it to be doing-- which was rolling when it was supposed to be rolling and sliding when it was supposed to slide.
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