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"The Tornado" (who can't understand normal thinking)
wrote me a message on FB and said I should post it.

She enjoys and wants fame, so may she always have infamy and dishonor.

Conversation started July 13, 2013
Angel Levine
7/13, 10:37pm
Angel Levine
Hi Vivian,
It was a pleasure meeting you at the BCA Trade Show.
Congratulations on your new line of cues!
I know you'll have great success.
All the best,
-Angel
Thursday

3years later

Vivian Villarreal
10/13, 10:23pm
Vivian Villarreal
Lmao only haters make u famous!!
Oh wait wait wait a minute I am famous bcuz wait, I'm a Hall of Famer & you are what?

Oh Looking for money for your crappy project?
Lol So post this and everyone talks about how coo coo you are and it's true wow!!
Too funny!

Friday
Angel Levine
10/14, 8:14am
Angel Levine
You did wrong.
You got called on it.

Angel Levine
10/14, 8:18am
Angel Levine
And I use my own money.
I have sold t-shirts in promotion of the film.
More to rally support.
I have also sold one other promotional item.
I asked for money early on from the ACA because I thought they could spare it, then I determined that I should not ask for help from the people I am trying to help, so I never asked anyone again.
Angel Levine

10/14, 8:19am
Angel Levine
This isn't about me, it's about you doing awful wrongs to many people.
You are selfish, and inconsiderate.
This I've seen with my own eyes.
And my "crappy project" includes you and all the entirety of cue sports.
Hurting your brothers and sisters and the industry only hurts YOU!
Seen Fri 8:22am


When you're a famous "Hall of Fame'r,
they let you do anything,
maybe you can go to the men and grab their crybaby p_ssies! :mad:
 
Chicagoplayer said:
"The Tornado" (who can't understand normal thinking)
wrote me a message on FB and said I should post it.

She enjoys and wants fame, so may she always have infamy and dishonor.

Conversation started July 13, 2013
Angel Levine
7/13, 10:37pm
Angel Levine
Hi Vivian,
It was a pleasure meeting you at the BCA Trade Show.
Congratulations on your new line of cues!
I know you'll have great success.
All the best,
-Angel
Thursday

3years later

Vivian Villarreal
10/13, 10:23pm
Vivian Villarreal
Lmao only haters make u famous!!
Oh wait wait wait a minute I am famous bcuz wait, I'm a Hall of Famer & you are what?

Oh Looking for money for your crappy project?
Lol So post this and everyone talks about how coo coo you are and it's true wow!!
Too funny!

Friday
Angel Levine
10/14, 8:14am
Angel Levine
You did wrong.
You got called on it.

Angel Levine
10/14, 8:18am
Angel Levine
And I use my own money.
I have sold t-shirts in promotion of the film.
More to rally support.
I have also sold one other promotional item.
I asked for money early on from the ACA because I thought they could spare it, then I determined that I should not ask for help from the people I am trying to help, so I never asked anyone again.
Angel Levine

10/14, 8:19am
Angel Levine
This isn't about me, it's about you doing awful wrongs to many people.
You are selfish, and inconsiderate.
This I've seen with my own eyes.
And my "crappy project" includes you and all the entirety of cue sports.
Hurting your brothers and sisters and the industry only hurts YOU!
Seen Fri 8:22am


When you're a famous "Hall of Fame'r,
they let you do anything,
maybe you can go to the men and grab their crybaby p_ssies! :mad:
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Figured I'd quote this, in case the original post somehow gets altered and deleted.

I'm glad you called her out.
 
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

1 ref

vanishing entry fees

questionable pro-rating of prize money

delays in making payouts known

obvious discrimination in prize money distribution (men vs women)

although subjective was cited as rude and inconsiderate

although in Hall of Fame could, as a promoter, qualify for the Hall of Shame
 
Understand

Guys, you gotta understand...
I'm not happy. Pointing out these shortcomings brings me no joy.
I don't like to inflict pain of any kind on anyone.

However,

I would have let it lie had she handled herself with civility.

In this case, I am a man without a country-
I am not a pro.
I am not beholden to the WPBA
I will speak on behalf of the men, and even on behalf of the women who cannot.

I know and have lived some life with most every single one of them, and it's a travesty for her to be so unapologetic to her brothers and sisters.

In no way shape or form have I worked and spent 10 years of my life to lay the groundwork for better things only to have
Barry Behrman reincarnated as a woman

It's my hope that everyone understands that this is a pivotal time and that support should be shown for people who truly merit it, not for people who would seek to continue the long tradition of being underhanded for the sake of a buck.

Every story needs an antagonist- pool has more than enough.
 
Chicagoplayer said:
Guys, you gotta understand...
I'm not happy. Pointing out these shortcomings brings me no joy...I don't like to inflict pain of any kind on anyone. However, I would have let it lie had she handled herself with civility......

......In no way shape or form have I worked and spent 10 years of my life to lay the groundwork for better things only to have Barry Behrman reincarnated as a woman.<--Excellent analogy!

......It's my hope that everyone understands that this is a pivotal time and that support should be shown for people who truly merit it, not for people who would seek to continue the long tradition of being underhanded for the sake of a buck.
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Angel, Its hard to find fault with your views on the person VV has become.. Your comparison to Barry B. was, I thought, right on target!..As an inductee of the lesser known One Pocket HOF (courtesy the members of onepocket.org)..I personally cannot imagine any HOF recipient, taking such a self serving stance, (as she has) ever hoping to be taken seriously..by anyone! :(

Pool in general, has a very fragile existence..If all us lovers of the game can't pull together toward a common goal, we are in deep trouble indeed!..Fortunately, most of the AZB members are united in that goal, and I commend you for your efforts, in working toward that end! :thumbup:

Dick Mc Morran (aka, San Jose Dick)
 
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I have not said a word until now about the tournament debacle. But in my opinion anyone who knocks Angel in way for this labor of love she has undertaken to promote our sport is completely in the wrong on that score.

Players turned promoters should be the shining examples of how to promote a pool tournament. They after all have been on the receiving end of most bad decisions concerning tournament promotion.

Any player who then falls short should accept it and resolve to do better rather than to argue and attempt to defame everyone else.

Angel, you have done no one wrong in the pool world and thus I support you in everything you do to include granting Vivian's wish to have her message to you broadcast to the world.
 
SJDinPHX said:
Angel, Its hard to find fault with your views on the person VV has become.. Your comparison to Barry B. was, I thought, right on target!..As an inductee of the lesser known One Pocket HOF (courtesy the members of onepocket.org)..I personally cannot imagine any HOF recipient, taking such a self serving stance, (as she has) ever hoping to be taken seriously..by anyone! :(

Pool in general, has a very fragile existence..If all us lovers of the game can't pull together toward a common goal, we are in deep trouble indeed!..Fortunately, most of the AZB members are united in that goal, and I commend you for your efforts, in working toward that end! :thumbup:

Dick Mc Morran (aka, San Jose Dick)
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I think that this will become known as the Trumpian view of life, "I am famous therefore I am right."
 
John....

JB Cases said:
I have not said a word until now about the tournament debacle. But in my opinion anyone who knocks Angel in way for this labor of love she has undertaken to promote our sport is completely in the wrong on that score.

Players turned promoters should be the shining examples of how to promote a pool tournament. They after all have been on the receiving end of most bad decisions concerning tournament promotion.

Any player who then falls short should accept it and resolve to do better rather than to argue and attempt to defame everyone else.

Angel, you have done no one wrong in the pool world and thus I support you in everything you do to include granting Vivian's wish to have her message to you broadcast to the world.
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John,

wow.
thank you.
I'm humbled.

Not everyone understands, and that's okay. I haven't explained.
They only know what not why

I'm so glad you remind the players that they've been getting the 'ish end of the stick'

Again,
thank you...
-a
 
Halloween!

Chicagoplayer said:
"The Tornado" (who can't understand normal thinking)
wrote me a message on FB and said I should post it.

She enjoys and wants fame, so may she always have infamy and dishonor.

Conversation started July 13, 2013
Angel Levine
7/13, 10:37pm
Angel Levine
Hi Vivian,
It was a pleasure meeting you at the BCA Trade Show.
Congratulations on your new line of cues!
I know you'll have great success.
All the best,
-Angel
Thursday

3years later

Vivian Villarreal
10/13, 10:23pm
Vivian Villarreal
Lmao only haters make u famous!!
Oh wait wait wait a minute I am famous bcuz wait, I'm a Hall of Famer & you are what?

Oh Looking for money for your crappy project?
Lol So post this and everyone talks about how coo coo you are and it's true wow!!
Too funny!

Friday
Angel Levine
10/14, 8:14am
Angel Levine
You did wrong.
You got called on it.

Angel Levine
10/14, 8:18am
Angel Levine
And I use my own money.
I have sold t-shirts in promotion of the film.
More to rally support.
I have also sold one other promotional item.
I asked for money early on from the ACA because I thought they could spare it, then I determined that I should not ask for help from the people I am trying to help, so I never asked anyone again.
Angel Levine

10/14, 8:19am
Angel Levine
This isn't about me, it's about you doing awful wrongs to many people.
You are selfish, and inconsiderate.
This I've seen with my own eyes.
And my "crappy project" includes you and all the entirety of cue sports.
Hurting your brothers and sisters and the industry only hurts YOU!
Seen Fri 8:22am


When you're a famous "Hall of Fame'r,
they let you do anything,
maybe you can go to the men and grab their crybaby p_ssies! :mad:
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Pool Crybaby and Excuses!
 

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Thank you SJD!

SJDinPHX said:
Angel, Its hard to find fault with your views on the person VV has become.. Your comparison to Barry B. was, I thought, right on target!..As an inductee of the lesser known One Pocket HOF (courtesy the members of onepocket.org)..I personally cannot imagine any HOF recipient, taking such a self serving stance, (as she has) ever hoping to be taken seriously..by anyone! :(

Pool in general, has a very fragile existence..If all us lovers of the game can't pull together toward a common goal, we are in deep trouble indeed!..Fortunately, most of the AZB members are united in that goal, and I commend you for your efforts, in working toward that end! :thumbup:

Dick Mc Morran (aka, San Jose Dick)
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It's my hope that she can eventually understand.

Thank you again :smiling-heart:
 
I've always had respect for Angel and up until now, I've held a certain amount of respect for Vivian. Her response back to you has diminished that a GREAT DEAL and while it may not matter to a Hall of Famer like her, it matters to me greatly that she would have such a narcissistic response to you.

I didn't keep up with all of the details of her tournament but did hear some noise about the event from various sources but didn't pay much attention at the time.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
I've always had respect for Angel and up until now, I've held a certain amount of respect for Vivian. Her response back to you has diminished that a GREAT DEAL and while it may not matter to a Hall of Famer like her, it matters to me greatly that she would have such a narcissistic response to you.

I didn't keep up with all of the details of her tournament but did hear some noise about the event from various sources but didn't pay much attention at the time.

JoeyA
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I'll add little more salt to the situation. Angel, don't know er personally. I talked to her a fair amount of times, she's a no BS Midwestern gal from Chi town where I grew up. Now ya got a Texas thinking gal, not a Midwestern Values gal, that doesn't like it when another FEMALE disagrees, her behavior Speaks loudly. Now if she came here and apologized it could be a start, but cat fights are not real clean when played out. Her actions are VERY similar to the WPBA boards consistent behavior of the past/coincidence???? Which in time unraveled. I personally knew John Russo from my college days RIP ma man. He was voted in to run the WPBA a few years back and got a deal worked out where he could of taken their sport to the next level. The board attacked em and got em out quick. Russo was able to get GO Daddy to support their tour. Those in the WPBA henhouse that stuck together to run em out of the house, in turn stuck it to themselves. Soon after very few WPBA events took place.
Russo was a womanizer which bordered on weird at times (we are all kinda weird in our own wayz :), but had a great attitude of life and was a GREAT businessman. He loved Janette and followed her around at times, by the way he talked, that too me seemed a little weird. Russo was well educated and could run over 50 balls in college and bowled Many 300 games, could of easily been a pro in that sport. Oh well gonna watch the Cubbies take it down.
 
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Island Drive said:
I'll add little more salt to the situation. Angel, don't know er personally. I talked to her a fair amount of times, she's a no BS Midwestern gal from Chi town where I grew up. Now ya got a Texas thinking gal, not a Midwestern Values gal, that doesn't like it when another FEMALE disagrees, her behavior Speaks loudly. Now if she came here and apologized it could be a start, but cat fights are not real clean when played out. Her actions are VERY similar to the WPBA boards consistent behavior of the past/coincidence???? Which in time unraveled. I personally knew John Russo from my college days RIP ma man. He was voted in to run the WPBA a few years back and got a deal worked out where he could of taken their sport to the next level. The board attacked em and got em out quick. Russo was able to get GO Daddy to support their tour. Those in the WPBA henhouse that stuck together to run em out of the house, in turn stuck it to themselves. Soon after very few WPBA events took place.
Russo was a womanizer which bordered on weird at times (we are all kinda weird in our own wayz :), but had a great attitude of life and was a GREAT businessman. He loved Janette and followed her around at times, by the way he talked, that too me seemed a little weird. Russo was well educated and could run over 50 balls in college and bowled Many 300 games, could of easily been a pro in that sport. Oh well gonna watch the Cubbies take it down.
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Too, too funny, I got all 3 lol.
 
Hi Bill!

Island Drive said:
I'll add little more salt to the situation. Angel, don't know er personally. I talked to her a fair amount of times, she's a no BS Midwestern gal from Chi town where I grew up. Now ya got a Texas thinking gal, not a Midwestern Values gal, that doesn't like it when another FEMALE disagrees, her behavior Speaks loudly. Now if she came here and apologized it could be a start, but cat fights are not real clean when played out. Her actions are VERY similar to the WPBA boards consistent behavior of the past/coincidence???? Which in time unraveled. I personally knew John Russo from my college days RIP ma man. He was voted in to run the WPBA a few years back and got a deal worked out where he could of taken their sport to the next level. The board attacked em and got em out quick. Russo was able to get GO Daddy to support their tour. Those in the WPBA henhouse that stuck together to run em out of the house, in turn stuck it to themselves. Soon after very few WPBA events took place.
Russo was a womanizer which bordered on weird at times (we are all kinda weird in our own wayz :), but had a great attitude of life and was a GREAT businessman. He loved Janette and followed her around at times, by the way he talked, that too me seemed a little weird. Russo was well educated and could run over 50 balls in college and bowled Many 300 games, could of easily been a pro in that sport. Oh well gonna watch the Cubbies take it down.
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Hi Bill,

If you didn't hear VV's interview on American Billiard Radio, she shows us all who she is.

Scroll down to Team USA Pool Party
http://www.americanbilliardradio.com/listen/

The difference is I'm a woman who grew up with the men and I care about them
(as well as the women.) and the sport more than I care about what I can make off it in the immediate.
CUBS WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!!
 
Chicagoplayer said:
It's my hope that she can eventually understand.

smiling-heart:
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I commend you for many things, the labor of love you've undertaken for a sport you love. For exposing yourself to criticism & the nasty responses from VV for doing what was right and telling the story as you saw it.

I also commend you for your altruistic hope that VV will eventually understand. Unfortunately she's always been that way & never remorseful about it, it just became more widely known now after all that transpired at her event was disseminated to the masses. Sadly a leopard seldom changes its spots. I tip my hat to you for trying though, good on you.
 
Chicagoplayer said:
Hi Bill,

If you didn't hear VV's interview on American Billiard Radio, she shows us all who she is.

Scroll down to Team USA Pool Party
http://www.americanbilliardradio.com/listen/

The difference is I'm a woman who grew up with the men and I care about them
(as well as the women.) and the sport more than I care about what I can make off it in the immediate.
CUBS WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!!
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I started to listen to it, but I've heard it before, too many times with the 3 mens pro tours I supported over 30 years. Her actions are very similar to the way the men have acted in the past.
In business;
When someone says ''to be honest with you'' I immediately say to myself "was the other stuff they said not true"? She should NOT be speaking to others in public, leave that to someone who has that talent. And to hear her call one persons actions babyish....poor choice of words.

Sorry Angel, I can't listen to that garble....deja vu.
I've dealt with "people problems" my entire work life, and ta hear childish dialogue from an adult....representing the venue/casino/tribe/ calling another baby ish.....speaks for itself.
Her saying she doesn't care what others say is sad (and may be the root of the problem), especially when the casino is always concerned about what's going on in their house.
 
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