Modifying Tips

Purdman

Purdman

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I have read posts about milk duds, using a vice to compress, etc. About 3 years ago, Leonard Bludworth sent me a tip jig. Here is a photo of the jig, however, I can not devulge the "methods" of preparing the tips or the baking.:D This creates the longesting lasting layered tip I have ever used. I put one on a friends without him knowing and he still wants to know about the magic tip!!
Purdman ;)
 
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Purdman said:
I can not devulge the "methods" of preparing the tips or the baking.:
Purdman ;)
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It seems like "baking" or heating a layered tip would disrupt the glue that holds the layers together, but if it works it must be OK. Now, you have our curiosity up on these specially prepared tips. I need a magic trick to help my game if you ever decide to devulge your secret on preparing tips!
 
I'm guessing the low heat is to make the leather a little more pliable so you get get a few extra cranks of tension on the clamp. The low temperature bake helps to get rid of any moisture that might have been left behind during the manufacturing process. The result is a harder tip with no air pockets or moisture content. It's kind of like using Tiger products method of tip manufacturing after the fact. Am I getting close?.:)
 
I'm kinda wondering what the point of you posting this thread is if your not going to give any info. Why would it matter if you let people know how you make this magic tip?
 
ABall said:
I'm kinda wondering what the point of you posting this thread is if your not going to give any info. Why would it matter if you let people know how you make this magic tip?
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Do you think it would be right for Purdman to divulge what very possibly are trade secrets of Leonard Bludworth?
 
Thanks Flex, he was selling the jigs for $60 and just gave me one. I will speak with Blud and see if he minds. I should have inquired first. I thought knowing the tip was confined when put in the vice was unique in itself.
Purd
 
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Very interesting! I had a machinest make me a jig where I can press 12 at a time. I'm currently experimenting with La Pro an Elkmaster. I've not heard of baking but 100 degrees makes sense. Sounds like a form of quick cure. I'm gonna give it a try. Rep for you!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Pinocchio
 
Pinocchio said:
Very interesting! I had a machinest make me a jig where I can press 12 at a time. I'm currently experimenting with La Pro an Elkmaster. I've not heard of baking but 100 degrees makes sense. Sounds like a form of quick cure. I'm gonna give it a try. Rep for you!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Pinocchio
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A friend had a pressed Elk Master installed on his cue earlier this evening.

It was pressed only, and not soaked in milk first for 24 hours and then pressed for another 24.

Guess what?

It's not nearly the same tip as a milk dud. Way softer, and it mushroomed on him quite a bit.

Still, it plays alright, but not as well or as consistently as the genuine milk dud...
 
Pinocchio said:
Very interesting! I had a machinest make me a jig where I can press 12 at a time. I'm currently experimenting with La Pro an Elkmaster. I've not heard of baking but 100 degrees makes sense. Sounds like a form of quick cure. I'm gonna give it a try. Rep for you!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Pinocchio
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When does the baking occur?

Are the tips compressed without anything additional being done to them, such as soaking in something? I imagine that soaking a laminated tip in anything might cause a problem.

Varney wrote in another thread that mineral spirits works even better than milk when compressing tips. Someone else said vinegar, next thing you know someone will suggest some other fluids :eek:

Flex
 
Flex said:
When does the baking occur?

Are the tips compressed without anything additional being done to them, such as soaking in something? I imagine that soaking a laminated tip in anything might cause a problem.

Varney wrote in another thread that mineral spirits works even better than milk when compressing tips. Someone else said vinegar, next thing you know someone will suggest some other fluids :eek:

Flex
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Your right, elephant urine. It is used in Asia for the curing process...


































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Why compress layered tips? Part of the layering process is to compress them. The milk dud process is not meant for layered tips afaik.
 
Flex said:
Varney wrote in another thread that mineral spirits works even better than milk when compressing tips.

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Thats the ticket! Depending on how much you press them, you can even turn one into a break tip. Not meant for layered tips. Only for Elks...and works well with Triangles too.;) I let them soak for a few days in sealed tupperwear...then leave them pressed for a week or two.
 
I'm still playing with my water dud. LOL (that is elk soaked in water, then compressed) It's been on 3 months or better, plays like a medium but the feel is on the soft side.

I have some soaked in milk and compressed as well as some triangles. My guess is milk or water makes little difference. They will compress wet but just to compress a dry tip won't work as one poster already mentioned.

My problem is it will be a couple of years before I need new tips. Until then I haven't anything to say about milk duds or triangles. :D

Rod
 
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Why compress layered tips? Part of the layering process is to compress them. The milk dud process is not meant for layered tips afaik.
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I have soaked layered tips overnight, compressed and baked them. No Mushroom, no delamination, no problems. Just a tip that last forever and never mushrooms.
Purdman:cool:
 
Recently I prepared a couple of milk duds made of Elk Masters. Soaked them for 24 hours, pressed for another 24 like advised in other thread. They turned out to be quite flat really. I didn't try one yet, just waiting for my present tip to get worn off, but it seems like it could be not enough height to create a nice dome sphere, like some user mentioned in other thread. Though I prefer flatter than average tips I'm a bit concerned with such flatness of milk duds.
They look and feel so promising solid ;) Can't help waiting to install.
And what is baking intended for? How is it usually done? (100 deg recalls me of boiling water) Can one perform it without such a jig?
 
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Vahmurka said:
Recently I prepared a couple of milk duds made of Elk Masters. Soaked them for 24 hours, pressed for another 24 like advised in other thread. They turned out to be quite flat really. I didn't try one yet, just waiting for my present tip to get worn off, but it seems like it could be not enough height to create a nice dome sphere, like some user mentioned in other thread. Though I prefer flatter than average tips I'm a bit concerned with such flatness of milk duds.
They look and feel so promising solid ;) Can't help waiting to install.
And what is baking intended for? How is it usually done? (100 deg recalls me of boiling water) Can one perform it without such a jig?
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The last two milk duds I made are plenty thin, but not all are. I suppose it depends on the mass of the leather.

In any case, mine were thick enough to install and shape to a dime radius with no problem. The thickness of the tip below the edge of the dome is a bit thicker than a quarter. And that baby performs... :D

As for your present tip, unless you are inextricably tied to it and don't want it to wear out, cut it off and install the milk dud. I expect you'll be very pleasantly surprised at how well it plays.
 
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As for your present tip, unless you are inextricably tied to it and don't want it to wear out, cut it off and install the milk dud. I expect you'll be very pleasantly surprised at how well it plays.
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I'm patient ;) But I could really put my present Triangle tip back if my duds don't meet my expectations or install a new one :)
BTW does it make sense trying to soak Triangles, or it is only Elk Masters the magic works with?
...that baby performs... :D
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You are teasing me :D I'm about to lose patience lol. May be will try 'my' tip this week.
 
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