does anyone have any tips or links with instructions to masse? everytime i see a video i only see the bridge hand and i want to see what the stroke hand does and where its at.. thanks for all help
learning to masse
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Well, I would say don't. But since your not going to listen to me, try Byrne's first or second video (prob. the second just can't remeber). After you get the aiming concept, watch how Efren uses it, and also check out Mike Massey Stroke trickshot video from Accu-stats.
Pete
Pete
For some discussion of masse including some practice shots, see the three articles 1997/1998 at http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/BD_articles.htmlmetallicarokerx said:
Byrne's "Advanced" book explains the masse aiming method discovered by Coriolis about 200 years ago. It works reasonably well, but of course a great deal of practice is required.
The grip hand can have either the normal grip (but "forward" from the normal position) or a dart-style grip (hand inverted, with little finger lowest). Most masse experts use the dart grip for most of their shots. See Sayginer, for example. in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=146dxjO-Ojo
where you can see his dart grip at about 30 seconds into the video. There are lots of other grips that people use, including what I call the "eagle claw" in which the cue is gripped between the index and middle finger (thumb doesn't touch the cue) with the palm down and the fingers curled into the palm.
I've written fairly extensively on the matter in an article series for Professor Q Ball's Nat'l Pool and 3-cushion News. You can find the articles on his website. www.professorqball.com I teach the physics, then the technique. I encourage others to adhere to this mantra - learn the physics, then the technique.
http://www.professorqball.com/archive.php?RecordID=Eric J. Yow
I hope this helps.
Let me know when you're ready to buy a masse cue.
-yow!
http://www.professorqball.com/archive.php?RecordID=Eric J. Yow
I hope this helps.
Let me know when you're ready to buy a masse cue.
-yow!
Tell us more about the masse cue...psykoyow said:I've written fairly extensively on the matter in an article series for Professor Q Ball's Nat'l Pool and 3-cushion News. You can find the articles on his website. www.professorqball.com I teach the physics, then the technique. I encourage others to adhere to this mantra - learn the physics, then the technique.
http://www.professorqball.com/archive.php?RecordID=Eric J. Yow
I hope this helps.
Let me know when you're ready to buy a masse cue.
-yow!
Thanks in advance for your reply,
Myron
Call me crazy, but you shouldn't have to masse...unless it's just a little jacked up and curves a diamond or so over a distance...
Good Topic ....
I have found that i n certain games ie: 9 Ball and APA 8 ball it is a handy tool to have when someone tries to "Safe" you or for the "few" of us that still are silly enough to occasionally get out of line and snooker ourselves !metallicarokerx said:
The article below is where I learned to masse...well that and some practice. Once you learn to visualize what Bob is talking about, you can build a "feel" for the shot which results in a fairly predictable and successful shot. I much prefer to masse certain shots over jumping or kicking.
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/1997-12.pdf
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/1997-12.pdf
I've seen Efren jump exactly one ball in all the matches I've seen him play. He always looks for a kick or masse instead. That should tell you something.seymore15074 said:
Pete said:
It's the second video, "Brynes Standard Tape of Pool and Billiards, Vol. II". Great tape, I go back to it all the time as a reference.
And I agree with Bob Brynes; The "Swerve" shot comes up all the time, and I can't recall how many times having it in my arsenal has bailed me out of a tough situation. A true Masse is hard to control, and not as usful in game situations.
And the funny thing when leering it is that for the first fifteen minutes, the shot is a wreck, after a half hour, it's like your a pro at it. Not bad for such an critical shot, IMO.
BTW, it you want to learn to masse, don't bother to ask to use my equipment!
MrLucky said:I have found that i n certain games ie: 9 Ball and APA 8 ball it is a handy tool to have when someone tries to "Safe" you or for the "few" of us that still are silly enough to occasionally get out of line and snooker ourselves !
this is exactly what got me thinking.. a friend and i were gambling in 9 ball and the shot came p and i couldnt do it.. o and also do you need a harder tip to do it or somthing? everytime i try it it feels like my tip is going to pop off
I think the recommended tip for masses is softer.metallicarokerx said:
To the contrary, Bob, I use a harder tip and find it better for masse. Purely theoretically, when you make a hard hit on a ball the tip will compress; the softer the tip the more the compression; the more the compression the more energy is taken away from the hit. With the inconsistency in hit power for each subsequent strike, the softer the tip the harder it will be to hit the same shot twice in a row. Moreover, for the big masse shots, you want all the consistent power you can muster, and so, a hard tip is more beneficial. IMO I use a Sniper on my masse cue. It's hard enough and consistent, yet holds chalk better than most. If I wasn't using a Sniper, I'd use triangle, like many of the other artistic pros.
Myron, I shoot with a Dieckman Masse Cue and it truly is the Magic Wand that the Dieck (aka Freak) calls it. If you haven't seen it, check out my clip "Masse Insanity" on my site (and all the other masse videos as well). It's worth 5 minutes of a lunch break, I think.
A masse cue is shorter and heavier, often 44" and between 20-24oz. Larger tip diameter is a plus for a larger contact point on the white = more spin. Mine is my favorite cue, for sure.
Because Jesus Lives,
-yow!
Myron, I shoot with a Dieckman Masse Cue and it truly is the Magic Wand that the Dieck (aka Freak) calls it. If you haven't seen it, check out my clip "Masse Insanity" on my site (and all the other masse videos as well). It's worth 5 minutes of a lunch break, I think.
A masse cue is shorter and heavier, often 44" and between 20-24oz. Larger tip diameter is a plus for a larger contact point on the white = more spin. Mine is my favorite cue, for sure.
Because Jesus Lives,
-yow!
I'm a snooker player and have never learnt how to jump the ball as it's an illegal shot, so it's not an option I have on the few occasions I play pool for a bit of fun with friends.
However, I did manage to do a masse shot and pocket the one ball in a recent game of 9-ball, but I don't think I could do it again in a 100 tries!
If you would like to see it, luckily a friend was recording the game on his camera phone, so you can download it by clicking on the link below.
http://www.snookerusa.com/alanmorris_pool_masse.wmv (Opens in Windows Media Player)
May I apologise for the less than perfect quality.
Best wishes.
Alan.
However, I did manage to do a masse shot and pocket the one ball in a recent game of 9-ball, but I don't think I could do it again in a 100 tries!
If you would like to see it, luckily a friend was recording the game on his camera phone, so you can download it by clicking on the link below.
http://www.snookerusa.com/alanmorris_pool_masse.wmv (Opens in Windows Media Player)
May I apologise for the less than perfect quality.
Best wishes.
Alan.
metallicarokerx said:
Check out this website http://www.geocities.com/artisticcuesportspress/ArtisticPoolBook_files/p7.jpg
I would highly recommend Eric Yow videos [specially his new 3 Cushion Billiard videos], but also Sayginer and Rojas videos. Many can be found on youtube.
As for a Masse Cue , just search "masse cue" or read my thread on masse cue.
While those are good if the OP wants to shoot artistic or fantasy shots, for regular play he should be working on tamer shots. Especially if the cloth he practices on is not his own. There are lots of masse shots that are useful in pool, but almost none of them requires a masse cue.billiardshot said:
Well, I would say I used to be very good at masse shots back in the day, and one thing I did when just learning was this:
Shoot shoftly.
I used to practice masse'ing around a ball that was an inch or two away from the cue ball, to pocket a ball hanging in the side. Not a particularly useful shot, (unless you want to impress the chickadees..
) but it allows one to start off with a shot that won't damage your equipment too much, and will allow you to progress to harder versions of the masse. For example, if you can hook the cue ball back 3 inches within 4 inches to do my shot, getting it to hook 3 inches over 3 feet to pocket a ball hanging in the corner pocket is a snap.
Also, most every masse I have seen Efren hit in tournaments was this soft masse. It is a very useful shot, and not as bad on equipment as the masses you see most people practicing.
Russ
Shoot shoftly.
I used to practice masse'ing around a ball that was an inch or two away from the cue ball, to pocket a ball hanging in the side. Not a particularly useful shot, (unless you want to impress the chickadees..
) but it allows one to start off with a shot that won't damage your equipment too much, and will allow you to progress to harder versions of the masse. For example, if you can hook the cue ball back 3 inches within 4 inches to do my shot, getting it to hook 3 inches over 3 feet to pocket a ball hanging in the corner pocket is a snap.Also, most every masse I have seen Efren hit in tournaments was this soft masse. It is a very useful shot, and not as bad on equipment as the masses you see most people practicing.
Russ
hey heres a clip where you can really see his grip hand well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzY90m94WhM&NR
Yes, that's a good shot. Three things to note about this: Sayginer is quite a bit stronger than the average player. His wrap is rubber which helps to keep his fingers from slipping. The cue ball was lubricated with silicone (almost certainly) so do not expect to do this at home without your handy bottle of ArmorAll.scottycoyote said: