A tale of World Champions: Dan Louie's shot against Shane Van Boening

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I was sweating Dan Louie's match with Shane at the US Bar Table Championships this year in Reno, and I thought Danny was hooked. This was the layout he was looking at (roughly, as it has been a few months).

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He proceeded to masse combo bank the ball into the opposite corner for shape, and the runout! He then went on to win the match, sending the future World Champion to the "B" side.
 
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Hmmm, even if you smoked enough crack to decide to try this, there's no way to generate enough speed on a masse to accomplish it, even on a bar table.

Do you have to call your ball and pocket in this tournament? I can't believe he would play this - it has about 1 chance in a billion, and there are other shots here (on a bar table, simply cutting the 9 is pretty easy, as is kicking behind the 13 and leaving the cueball safe behind the 10 and 11).

I realize your diagram is off, but without trying to be rude, he was not playing the shot you just described.

- Steve
 
Steve Lipsky said:
Hmmm, even if you smoked enough crack to decide to try this, there's no way to generate enough speed on a masse to accomplish it, even on a bar table.

Do you have to call your ball and pocket in this tournament? I can't believe he would play this - it has about 1 chance in a billion, and there are other shots here (on a bar table, simply cutting the 9 is pretty easy, as is kicking behind the 13 and leaving the cueball safe behind the 10 and 11).

I realize your diagram is off, but without trying to be rude, he was not playing the shot you just described.

- Steve
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This is the greatest disclaimer ever :D
 
Steve Lipsky said:
Hmmm, even if you smoked enough crack to decide to try this, there's no way to generate enough speed on a masse to accomplish it, even on a bar table.

Do you have to call your ball and pocket in this tournament? I can't believe he would play this - it has about 1 chance in a billion, and there are other shots here (on a bar table, simply cutting the 9 is pretty easy, as is kicking behind the 13 and leaving the cueball safe behind the 10 and 11).

I realize your diagram is off, but without trying to be rude, he was not playing the shot you just described.

- Steve
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I didn't think he would either, and my diagram is more than a little off (I think he was actually hooked and couldn't see another of his object balls), but HE PLAYED A MASSE COMBO BANK. If I remember correctly, I personally would have considered jumping from where he was. Once again, my cuetable is a pretty bad representation of the layout.
 
Edit: Nevermind - found the controls on the table diagram that I'd missed.
 
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Let's see if we can get the SouthDakotaKid on here himself, and see if he remembers the shot. It was early in the match. I think the score was 1-0 or something (maybe 1-1, or even 2-1).
 
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Edit: Nevermind - found the controls on the table diagram that I'd missed.
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I think he is refering to a masse around the 3 to the 11/10 combo bank into the lower left hand corner.
 
KY BOY said:
I think he is refering to a masse around the 3 to the 11/10 combo bank into the lower left hand corner.
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Yes. Look at page two of my illustration. I PM'd Shane. Let's see if the new World Champion can remember the shot more accurately (I know I always remember when an opponent makes a killer, albeit somewhat ridiculous, shot).
 
I can't resist....LOL

belmicah said:
Let's see if we can get the SouthDakotaKid on here himself, and see if he remembers the shot. It was early in the match. I think the score was 1-0 or something (maybe 1-1, or even 2-1).
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I doubt Shane will remember because by this point in the match he would be comatose.....hehehe
 
belmicah said:
I was sweating Dan Louie's match with Shane at the US Bar Table Championships this year in Reno, and I thought Danny was hooked. This was the layout he was looking at (roughly, as it has been a few months).

He proceeded to masse combo bank the ball into the opposite corner for shape, and the runout! He then went on to win the match, sending the future World Champion to the "B" side.
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:eek:

Was this on a bar table or a 9 ft table?
 
Assuming the ball position is correct, why wouldn't he just play the obvious safe off the 9? Did he call it or was he really trying to masse for the 13?

Edit: On second thought, maybe the 3 didn't hook him as much as shown and he actually did a small jump-combo...which could look like a quick masse from afar.

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Steve Lipsky said:
it has about 1 chance in a billion...
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Now that I've had time to look at the diagram again, I take the above comment back. It has no chances in a billion. :eek: :cool:

- Steve
 
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Yea a small masse maybe but it wasn't like a 3-cushion exhibition whippy masse that noobs try to do on the new cloth at my room ahhaa. Combo bank seems impressive enough, not unheard of..........

Eric.
 
mosconiac said:
Assuming the ball position is correct, why wouldn't he just play the obvious safe off the 9? Did he call it or was he really trying to masse for the 13?

Edit: On second thought, maybe the 3 didn't hook him as much as shown and he actually did a small jump-combo...which could look like a quick masse from afar.
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MY DIAGRAM IS NOT AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THE ACTUAL TABLE LAYOUT. I too saw that option after I made the cuetable, and realized that it couldn't have been exactly like that.
 
Steve Lipsky said:
Now that I've had time to look at the diagram again, I take the above comment back. It has no chances in a billion. :eek: :cool:

- Steve
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You're right, I am a liar and this never happened.

Next time I won't make a diagram, I will just tell you guys about it so you can imagine all sorts of different possibilities. I was just trying to show the layout as I remember it sitting 10-12 feet away.

Shane where are you?!!!!!
 
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I rack balls said:
Yea a small masse maybe but it wasn't like a 3-cushion exhibition whippy masse that noobs try to do on the new cloth at my room ahhaa. Combo bank seems impressive enough, not unheard of..........

Eric.
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Yes, and yes. Thank you.
 
belmicah said:
You're right, I am a liar and this never happened.

Next time I won't make a diagram, I will just tell you guys about it so you can imagine all sorts of different possibilities. I was just trying to show the layout as I remember it sitting 10-12 feet away.

Shane where are you?!!!!!
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It's not about the layout, belmicah. It's about the impossibility of making a masse combo bank where the balls are not frozen. You can set it up however you like.

Dan Louie is a tremendous player; he is not going to flail away at something that can't work.

I agree with mosconiac; this was probably a slight jump, not a masse, in which case it would be easy to generate the required speed. Another possibility is that the combo balls (10 and 11) were frozen. In this case, he could definitely generate the required speed with a masse, and it would also not need a very precise hit if the balls were lined up well.

I do apologize for being sarcastic before.

- Steve
 
Steve Lipsky said:
It's not about the layout, belmicah. It's about the impossibility of making a masse combo bank where the balls are not frozen. You can set it up however you like.

Dan Louie is a tremendous player; he is not going to flail away at something that can't work.

I agree with mosconiac; this was probably a slight jump, not a masse, in which case it would be easy to generate the required speed. Another possibility is that the combo balls (10 and 11) were frozen. In this case, he could definitely generate the required speed with a masse, and it would also not need a very precise hit if the balls were lined up well.

I do apologize for being sarcastic before.

- Steve
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They might have been somewhat closer, but not frozen. That wouldn't be an incredible shot, and THAT IS WHY I POSTED THIS.

As far as the layout goes, just ignore the nine.
 
Yeah..

That was my first thought too. That if the combo were frozen or close to frozen, I could see Dan shooting it. But not if there was anywhere near the gap as diagrammed. :)

Russ
 
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