World 14.1 32 man bracket online anywhere yet?

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If so I sure would like to know where.

I know that Danny Harriman is playing John Schmidt right now (started at 12:30 central)..
 
Only result I have so far is Danny Barouty over Ed Hodan, about 150-77. Danny said he was down about 70-40 and got out in two innings.

I know Dennis Hatch is playing Dennis Orcullo, but have no results.

Danny plays again at 3:30, against either Thorsten or Stevie Moore? Don't remember if I saw that Thorsten was playing Stevie, but I thought I did.

- Steve
 
Pretty ridiculous

That there is no info posted about this world class event going on in our own backyard. I refrained from chiming in on the debate over taping - because I agree with both sides (if no professional taping, spectators should be allowed to...and that unless you do it right taping does not come out that well and it will get very expensive with all the correct camera angles/ops/commentary).

But this...this is exactly why there is no mens pro tour, why there's no money in pool etc etc etc.

It is beyond simple to have a little website, where the whole thing is backended by a simple database. From onsite you use a laptop with some wireless, update scores/brackets as they happen - in real time. The cost for such a thing is absolutely zero...the time required to do it in a rudimentary (read who cares what it looks like so long as the data is out there) fashion is also very minimal.

No one is ever going to put money into advertising on pool if there aren't well advertised, well kept track of events. Even the simplest website with current finished game scores would be attracting hundreds to thousands of visitors. Now that's small in terms of a worldwide audience, but to pool specific advertisers knowing that several thousand die hard pool fans will be looking at a given web site is where good advertising dollars get spent.

For that matter real time updates wouldn't be hard either - it's only a tiny bit more to allow full game scores (inning number/number of balls made) to be posted in real time as well. I understand onsite there are volunteers doing scorekeeping - if so it would be trivial to do that on computer and have those scores pop up on a website in real time as well.

Time and time again I'm amazed at the poor lack of planning even these "world class events have". Would it really have been so hard to stick a flyer in all the APA packets that stuart and ross hand out every week in manhattan and brooklyn. Would it really have been so hard to walk around manhattan and put up flyers in every bar with a pool table? I'm pretty active in the APA here in manhattan and with 1000 weekly players only a handful probably know about this event going on - none of the people on my own team know about these sorts of things unless I tell them.

Even the 2005 world summit of pool, which was televised had none of this simple, local and free advertising. It's really not surprising why even the most interesting/biggest events in the pool world have poor attendance.

The BCA open, arguably one of the biggest events in the pool world (at least in the US) only has a decent crowd for the televised events. And between every match and game Steve has to rile the crowd up just so it doesn't appear boring on tv...

We've got 8M just in NYC, another bunch of million in the directly surrounding easy drive distance and still barely anyone hears about these events except for the "in the know" community.

hmm...nice rant:)

Unfortunately I'm working in boston this week (oh my god does it suck to have to miss watching this tournament) *and* I had prior travel plans for this weekend - otherwise I'd gladly bring a laptop and do a play by play for matches I watched...

SJM seems to be the only person actually doing any decent play by plays for the rest of us that can't make it...hats off to you SJM.

Also hats off to Dragon Promotions for putting the event together. I'm not knocking pool promoters in general. It's just amazing how little thought seems to go into getting details out about these things - arguably making sure the players get there and the event goes on is important, but there's a lot of other things that should be looked after.

We live in the 21st century (well maybe not Danny B...but most of us;-) and should be able to keep up with things even if not there.
 
I agree. Hell, even a regular posting with scores would be a big improvement.

Posting the high run list earlier today was nice. If not a full blown web site, why can't they take a few minutes after each set of matches and give us an update?

I don't want to be negative, but as a fan this is very frustrating.
 
Cornerman said:
http://www.seyberts.com/world/

Best we can do, I guess. {edit: oops.... that's not this year.}

Fred

Heh - exactly, for a moment there I thought I was going to have to eat my words...I had checked seyberts earlier this month and it appears they are not sponsoring it this year...funny that you posted that though...
 
Cornerman said:
http://www.seyberts.com/world/

Best we can do, I guess. {edit: oops.... that's not this year.}

Fred

Just went to Seyberts website and as Cornerman said, it's displaying the brackets from last year. :eek: :rolleyes:

Juggler is absolutely right in the various points that he's made. The amateurish quality of pool sponsorship, production and promotion at the professional level is a complete embarrassment to the sport.
 
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I'm not very hi-tech so correct me if I'm wrong here. It's a fact that there is always a very poor showing of fans that BUY TICKETS and go to 95% of the pool tournaments. TV isn't interested enough in live pool. Being that the promoters don't make much money from this fans... wouldn't it be profitable to show it live on the Internet for a fee. I know that I would pay a reasonable sum to watch a lot of the bigger tournaments and some of the smaller ones also. Does it cost too much to produce a good steaming video for an event? Johnnyt
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
... Juggler is absolutely right in the various points that he's made. The amateurish quality of pool sponsorship, production and promotion at the professional level is a complete embarrassment to the sport.
Not completely. I think you need to go to one of Barry Hearn's events. I haven't been to the WPC in Asia yet, but I went twice to Cardiff. If I was too lazy to walk across the street to the Arena, I could watch the event live on TV in my hotel room. Something like 60 hours of live TV for the event. Refs on every table. 13 cameras on the main TV table. Many monitors around the Arena showing the latest match results, paging through all the brackets. An on-site bookie. Hearn's Mosconi Cup is also a great production.
 
Johnnyt said:
I'm not very hi-tech so correct me if I'm wrong here. It's a fact that there is always a very poor showing of fans that BUY TICKETS and go to 95% of the pool tournaments. TV isn't interested enough in live pool. Being that the promoters don't make much money from this fans... wouldn't it be profitable to show it live on the Internet for a fee. I know that I would pay a reasonable sum to watch a lot of the bigger tournaments and some of the smaller ones also. Does it cost too much to produce a good steaming video for an event? Johnnyt

Does anybody know if the DCC and US Open broadcasts are profitable? I have bought all the web casts of these events and have been very pleased with the quality. Sure, there are some hiccups, but it beats the hell out of nothing.

I expect straight pool would draw less buyers, but I would gladly pay double.
 
UPDATE...

I just lost to AlanH, he had a couple of decent runs to get well ahead 105-7. I then ran a 48 and a 35 to get back in the match. But at 125-105 I missed about 5 chances (as did Alan) and Alan eventually fell over the line.

Alan plays Stepenov now, I play Jonathon Smith at 8pm. The winner of John and I plays the loser of Engert v Schmidt! :eek:

On the table next to me I watched orcullo run 117 and then miss a simple shot which really upset him. To his credit Hatch replied with something like a 90 and had his chances to win the match. Orcullo came through though.

Laters
 
Johnnyt said:
I'm not very hi-tech so correct me if I'm wrong here. It's a fact that there is always a very poor showing of fans that BUY TICKETS and go to 95% of the pool tournaments. TV isn't interested enough in live pool. Being that the promoters don't make much money from this fans... wouldn't it be profitable to show it live on the Internet for a fee. I know that I would pay a reasonable sum to watch a lot of the bigger tournaments and some of the smaller ones also. Does it cost too much to produce a good steaming video for an event? Johnnyt

I happen to work for a company that does streaming video (hosting and production of) and I can tell you it's not as cheap as you'd like it to be. Just for renting camera gear and getting necessary bandwidth into the hotel would be prohibitive. And since watching a game at 320x240 resolution isn't really worth it (you'd not be able to tell which ball is which - although i guess that's ok for straight pool to some extent). Watching an overhead shot of a match, while good for the shots themselves, makes it hard to follow who is shooting when!

Between people to man the event, renting gear and hosting the video and the web production side (assuming you want it such that people pay for it). It's going to run into the 10's of thousands for a week long event at a minimum...

I would pay some amount of money as well (when I go to the BCA thing I buy the week long thing which is around $135 for non vip - I don't mind paying that much - I wouldn't pay that much for streaming though)...

doing something like a feature table or two is much easier obviously (far fewer streams...)
 
Bob Jewett said:
Not completely. I think you need to go to one of Barry Hearn's events. I haven't been to the WPC in Asia yet, but I went twice to Cardiff. If I was too lazy to walk across the street to the Arena, I could watch the event live on TV in my hotel room. Something like 60 hours of live TV for the event. Refs on every table. 13 cameras on the main TV table. Many monitors around the Arena showing the latest match results, paging through all the brackets. An on-site bookie. Hearn's Mosconi Cup is also a great production.

You are right...every time I hear about those events I wish very much that I could watch them...there seems to be more money in the production side of pool overseas...
 
TheOne said:
UPDATE...

I just lost to AlanH, he had a couple of decent runs to get well ahead 105-7. I then ran a 48 and a 35 to get back in the match. But at 125-105 I missed about 5 chances (as did Alan) and Alan eventually fell over the line.

Alan plays Stepenov now, I play Jonathon Smith at 8pm. The winner of John and I plays the loser of Engert v Schmidt! :eek:

On the table next to me I watched orcullo run 117 and then miss a simple shot which really upset him. To his credit Hatch replied with something like a 90 and had his chances to win the match. Orcullo came through though.

Laters


Sorry to hear, Craig. I will be there for most of your match with Jonathan. I'm going to root you both on!

Save me a seat :).

- Steve
 
Steve Lipsky said:
Sorry to hear, Craig. I will be there for most of your match with Jonathan. I'm going to root you both on!

Save me a seat :).

- Steve

Thanks Steve, Jons a super nice guy, he gave me and a few other guys a lift down here, and few us at his home!

See you tonight, you can have my seat if you want I'll sit in the stands :o
 
juggler314 said:
I happen to work for a company that does streaming video (hosting and production of) and I can tell you it's not as cheap as you'd like it to be. Just for renting camera gear and getting necessary bandwidth into the hotel would be prohibitive. And since watching a game at 320x240 resolution isn't really worth it (you'd not be able to tell which ball is which - although i guess that's ok for straight pool to some extent). Watching an overhead shot of a match, while good for the shots themselves, makes it hard to follow who is shooting when!

Between people to man the event, renting gear and hosting the video and the web production side (assuming you want it such that people pay for it). It's going to run into the 10's of thousands for a week long event at a minimum...

I would pay some amount of money as well (when I go to the BCA thing I buy the week long thing which is around $135 for non vip - I don't mind paying that much - I wouldn't pay that much for streaming though)...

doing something like a feature table or two is much easier obviously (far fewer streams...)
Thank you Juggler....now I see why it's not done much. Johnnyt
 
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