To All Azers Gus On Ebay Is Fake !!!! 100% Beware It Ebay.com Item # 180139224546 Ken Carfagno From Highendcues.com
Gus On Ebay Fake!!!!!
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dawg i posted the item #
kchighendcues said:
Here's the auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180139224546&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D180139224546%2B%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1
I figured something was up on the cue because of the lack of action - plus it looks like a brand new cue. If these guys say it's a fake, it's a fake.
Chris
thanks for the back up chris...
I have sent a PM to the person who posted the auction as he is on the board here letting him know of this thread.
We discussed this Gus via PM and I think to be fair it should be explained why you think this cue is fake. I am in the middle of doing a transaction with him and so far he has been very polite and the item has shipped.
I think if a fake ebay thread is going to be put up, the "why" is important considering his high positive feedback on eBay.
Yally
We discussed this Gus via PM and I think to be fair it should be explained why you think this cue is fake. I am in the middle of doing a transaction with him and so far he has been very polite and the item has shipped.
I think if a fake ebay thread is going to be put up, the "why" is important considering his high positive feedback on eBay.
Yally
yally said:
Hello,
I wasn't going to get involved in this discussion... All I will say is that this cue went through the authentication process.. Anyone from AZ will surely want to ask the seller about the results......
Best,
Ken K.
highendcues
In response to kchighendcues input
In responce to your attack of my auction....I can only hope someone treats you with the same inconsideracy that you have shown me in starting a thread and calling me a fake.
You personally have a very weak and jealous personality to post such a liable thing without any investigation whatsoever. If AZ has one downfall, it is the ability to label someone guilty until proven innocent.
kchighend..... I have the original purchaser, a CEO of a Maine Co. of which he employs over 400 people, I have the first actual owner, the person who has maintained his collectable for the last 21 years, and myself, whom has dealt with Black Boars and one of a kind cues for over ten years that absolutly knows that this cue is a "GUS".
What you don't know is this was a sister cue of a higher end "GUS" that was part of a deal that we asked Barry to assist, and upon inspection, found a "screw" inside the butt, that was not normally used by his father.....he then simply put a "NO" on this cues authenticity and that was that. A 20K deal went down to a single "GUS" sale of $12k. We never said a word, never brought this to everyones attention, and we accepted it as something we could not change. I went back to the original purchaser....I asked him if he recognized the cue, he again stated in all honesty......this cue looks identicle to the cue I bought and very much like many others I purchased exclusivley from "GUS". I went to the firt owner ...... again, I asked if he was sure, and he stated yes this was his cue. Finally I posted an auction, in all confidence that what I had was authentic.
kc.....this is how you investigate, confirm, and proceed with an honorable auction. In the auction I state theis story and use actual names. The son of this gentlemen is an x state of maine straight pool champion....who also ownes his fathers personal "GUS". I'm sure if you hurry, you can be the first to bash his reputation as well. I'm sure you would hate to miss this opportunity to kick a defenseless champion. The word "classless" seams to consistantly cometo mind when I think of your actions. You may have a following here at AZ but outside of your protected environment you would defineatly get your ass kicked.
Finally, I always offer any possible assistance in all of my auctions to show how available I am. I think in this particular one I offer my personal phone #, state it is available 24hrs, I offer a guarentee with nothing more than comfort involved, I offer a thrid party option.......and i do something that kc would never do.......I offer to meet them in person, tell them where I work and go beyond any other auction in my attempt to stay honest rather than hiding behind some fence and throwing rocks at persons he feels won't fight back.
AZ is known for a lot of incredibly positive options to assist with the great sport of billiards, in all fairness, it is also known for it's member's like "kc" whom immediatly put other members charactor in jeopardy without as much as a single act of investigation.
I look forward to meeting you kc at the swap meet. You on the other hand......... might want to bring a bigger rock. FYI
My # is 207-632-6624, email xlibby@netzero.net
greg libby
In responce to your attack of my auction....I can only hope someone treats you with the same inconsideracy that you have shown me in starting a thread and calling me a fake.
You personally have a very weak and jealous personality to post such a liable thing without any investigation whatsoever. If AZ has one downfall, it is the ability to label someone guilty until proven innocent.
kchighend..... I have the original purchaser, a CEO of a Maine Co. of which he employs over 400 people, I have the first actual owner, the person who has maintained his collectable for the last 21 years, and myself, whom has dealt with Black Boars and one of a kind cues for over ten years that absolutly knows that this cue is a "GUS".
What you don't know is this was a sister cue of a higher end "GUS" that was part of a deal that we asked Barry to assist, and upon inspection, found a "screw" inside the butt, that was not normally used by his father.....he then simply put a "NO" on this cues authenticity and that was that. A 20K deal went down to a single "GUS" sale of $12k. We never said a word, never brought this to everyones attention, and we accepted it as something we could not change. I went back to the original purchaser....I asked him if he recognized the cue, he again stated in all honesty......this cue looks identicle to the cue I bought and very much like many others I purchased exclusivley from "GUS". I went to the firt owner ...... again, I asked if he was sure, and he stated yes this was his cue. Finally I posted an auction, in all confidence that what I had was authentic.
kc.....this is how you investigate, confirm, and proceed with an honorable auction. In the auction I state theis story and use actual names. The son of this gentlemen is an x state of maine straight pool champion....who also ownes his fathers personal "GUS". I'm sure if you hurry, you can be the first to bash his reputation as well. I'm sure you would hate to miss this opportunity to kick a defenseless champion. The word "classless" seams to consistantly cometo mind when I think of your actions. You may have a following here at AZ but outside of your protected environment you would defineatly get your ass kicked.
Finally, I always offer any possible assistance in all of my auctions to show how available I am. I think in this particular one I offer my personal phone #, state it is available 24hrs, I offer a guarentee with nothing more than comfort involved, I offer a thrid party option.......and i do something that kc would never do.......I offer to meet them in person, tell them where I work and go beyond any other auction in my attempt to stay honest rather than hiding behind some fence and throwing rocks at persons he feels won't fight back.
AZ is known for a lot of incredibly positive options to assist with the great sport of billiards, in all fairness, it is also known for it's member's like "kc" whom immediatly put other members charactor in jeopardy without as much as a single act of investigation.
I look forward to meeting you kc at the swap meet. You on the other hand......... might want to bring a bigger rock. FYI
My # is 207-632-6624, email xlibby@netzero.net
greg libby
To ARers. I did not want to do this but barry looked the cue and said it is a fake not even close ....pls do not blow up barry's phone on this ,,but if you going to buy the cue then call him ..if not you can call me i will tell you the real story and the whole one .215-300-0361..thank you ken carfagno
ribdoner i can anwser that question for you NO ONE !!!
Barry took xrays and finalized this cue could not be authenticated. Simple....case closed as far as he is concerned.
We, on the other hand, do not accept this answer. The people involved are all of the highest charactor and morals. People who have no reason to compromise thier opinion and accept that all that is pure be deamed "dirty". I have no battle with Barry. He is looking out for his father's legacy. I hold no grudge towrd his decision. I have never had a discouraging word concerning his decision, and never will.
This is not a fight. It is merely a response to a spineless attack by "kc".
You all should be aware that "kc" is currently responding via my personal email rather than to my response on AZ. This guy is a real "tool".
He starts a thread.......initiates a response ........ and communicates from that point forward behind closed doors. "He is all yours AZ". A real "tool".
Please "kc". you stirred up this bee hive......you might as well stand in the middle of it until it's over. What a "tool".
greg libby
We, on the other hand, do not accept this answer. The people involved are all of the highest charactor and morals. People who have no reason to compromise thier opinion and accept that all that is pure be deamed "dirty". I have no battle with Barry. He is looking out for his father's legacy. I hold no grudge towrd his decision. I have never had a discouraging word concerning his decision, and never will.
This is not a fight. It is merely a response to a spineless attack by "kc".
You all should be aware that "kc" is currently responding via my personal email rather than to my response on AZ. This guy is a real "tool".
He starts a thread.......initiates a response ........ and communicates from that point forward behind closed doors. "He is all yours AZ". A real "tool".
Please "kc". you stirred up this bee hive......you might as well stand in the middle of it until it's over. What a "tool".
greg libby
I am sorry you got stuck with a fake cue ..try not to stick anyone else ..you can call me 215-300-0361 and as far as your friends they should of had someone like barry or pete tas look at the cue before they bought it ..as far as me you can bash me all you want but can you get any one of good well as barry or pete tas to say the cue is real ..I AM SURE THAT WILL BE A NO..so we can end with this do you have any from barry or pete tas saying the cue is real? as far as my rep the people who know me .know i am very clean business man and sell great cues and ect ..ken
i believe if barry said the cue is not one of his dad's , his opinion would carry the most weight no matter what anybody else says..
as for KC Highendcues, i have bought a few cues from him and he is completley honest and a stand up guy. i believe he was just trying to look out for us uninformed members of Az.. looking at his posts, i dont see one where he calls you out saying that your lieing or trying to scam anybody.. he just says the cue is not what it appears.. there is alot of people on ebay just looking to steal peoples money and its nice to have people who know what to look for and who to call to find out for sure..
i know first hand that a GUS is way out of my price range.. but if there ever was a time i was going to buy one, it would deffinatly need a leather of authenticity from the foremost expert Barry...
knowing your also a forum member deffinatly puts everyones minds at ease, there deffinatly is a higher amount of trust here on the forum.. i dont know you.. but i am glad your here to answer peoples questions.. and honestly.. i hope your gus is real.. its a beautiful cue reguardless..
chris
as for KC Highendcues, i have bought a few cues from him and he is completley honest and a stand up guy. i believe he was just trying to look out for us uninformed members of Az.. looking at his posts, i dont see one where he calls you out saying that your lieing or trying to scam anybody.. he just says the cue is not what it appears.. there is alot of people on ebay just looking to steal peoples money and its nice to have people who know what to look for and who to call to find out for sure..
i know first hand that a GUS is way out of my price range.. but if there ever was a time i was going to buy one, it would deffinatly need a leather of authenticity from the foremost expert Barry...
knowing your also a forum member deffinatly puts everyones minds at ease, there deffinatly is a higher amount of trust here on the forum.. i dont know you.. but i am glad your here to answer peoples questions.. and honestly.. i hope your gus is real.. its a beautiful cue reguardless..
chris
dave sutton
Banned
just to be quick it doesnt even liik like a gus. all the sizes are wrong. stitches gaps between stitches. and collars are all unique. if it is a gus its the only one with these specs ive came across
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1glibby1 said:
I'm reluctant to respond to this thread, but I think the seller has an obligation to release all information to the potential buyers. I probably couldn't tell the difference between a Gus, Barry, or any cue from that style unless the name was inscribed on the cue, which is the reason why I'm not going give my opinion on the actual cue.
However, if Barry Szamboti couldn't authenticate it as a Gus, then I think this information should be placed in your eBay listing. I'm sure it will only hurt the final selling price; but if the info isn't there, then you would be passing along an unnecessary burden on to the buyer.
-Shane
From the beginning we have agreed on one thing.....I do "NOT" have the acceptance from Barry that this cue is authentic.
What you don't realize is you attacked a person who agree's that this authenticity does not exist. Instead of intelligantly relaying this message as a warning to all concerned......you start the thread with derogetory remarks and attacking my integrity as if I was scamming someone .
For example "kc"..... If i knew your mother had herpes, should I just state this in a way that she is humiliated in front of everyone.....the fact that I know she has herpes is information that, yes, I would like to warn all my friends that your mother may be a whore....with herpes, but to say it like this would not be fair...would it? There are ways of saying things that protect the integrity of this type of forum without attacking someone's charactor. In conclusion........just because your mother has herpes and may be of low moral charactor.....doesn't mean that I can't warn my friends, but i should try and do this without causing her any embarressment at the same time. Your real issue should be.....how do "i" know,... your mom has herpes.
I'm sure your mother is a nice person ......even though.
You attacked my charactor and my honesty in a manor that was uncalled for. You looked for support in your attack in the very next post.
This demanded a response. Otherwise I would look even guiltier.
If you look at all the other posts.....people are really interested in finding the information needed to make a decision that is intelligent and thought out. No one wants disception in our forums, including me.
I also agree, Plz do not call Barry's phone on this issue. He has ruled on it and doesn't need too again. I accept that he has ruled.....I simply do not accept his ruling. This is based on information that has been evaluated and reevaluated. I reccommend my cue and "kc's" mother, be left alone if it doesn't directly relate to you.
Beleive it or not.......I really am a nice guy.
Have a great day!!
"kc" i'll see you soon ..... I hope.
)
greg
What you don't realize is you attacked a person who agree's that this authenticity does not exist. Instead of intelligantly relaying this message as a warning to all concerned......you start the thread with derogetory remarks and attacking my integrity as if I was scamming someone .
For example "kc"..... If i knew your mother had herpes, should I just state this in a way that she is humiliated in front of everyone.....the fact that I know she has herpes is information that, yes, I would like to warn all my friends that your mother may be a whore....with herpes, but to say it like this would not be fair...would it? There are ways of saying things that protect the integrity of this type of forum without attacking someone's charactor. In conclusion........just because your mother has herpes and may be of low moral charactor.....doesn't mean that I can't warn my friends, but i should try and do this without causing her any embarressment at the same time. Your real issue should be.....how do "i" know,... your mom has herpes.
I'm sure your mother is a nice person ......even though.
You attacked my charactor and my honesty in a manor that was uncalled for. You looked for support in your attack in the very next post.
This demanded a response. Otherwise I would look even guiltier.
If you look at all the other posts.....people are really interested in finding the information needed to make a decision that is intelligent and thought out. No one wants disception in our forums, including me.
I also agree, Plz do not call Barry's phone on this issue. He has ruled on it and doesn't need too again. I accept that he has ruled.....I simply do not accept his ruling. This is based on information that has been evaluated and reevaluated. I reccommend my cue and "kc's" mother, be left alone if it doesn't directly relate to you.
Beleive it or not.......I really am a nice guy.
Have a great day!!
"kc" i'll see you soon ..... I hope.
)greg
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ic u keep bringing up that u do not have a letter of authenticity from barry but from that way u say it, u really seem to be neglecting the fact that he said it isnt a gus. i know u mentioned it before but the way u're answering it makes it sound like u simply did not get a letter of authenticity instead of actually getting a letter in which barry said it wasnt a gus.
also i find it ridiculous that u would send the cue to be authenticated then disregard the result that barry gave u simply because it did not coincide with ur opinion of the authenticity of the cue. why even send it to him in the first place if u werent going to acknowledge anything other than a yes.
while it may be true that the people who owned it previously are characters with great morals and would never dupe anyone, perhaps they were duped into thinking it is a real gus. that might not be the case and i doubt u will accept that explanation but i dont see why barry would not authenticate it if it were actually authentic.
also i find it ridiculous that u would send the cue to be authenticated then disregard the result that barry gave u simply because it did not coincide with ur opinion of the authenticity of the cue. why even send it to him in the first place if u werent going to acknowledge anything other than a yes.
while it may be true that the people who owned it previously are characters with great morals and would never dupe anyone, perhaps they were duped into thinking it is a real gus. that might not be the case and i doubt u will accept that explanation but i dont see why barry would not authenticate it if it were actually authentic.
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