The Sets in Tempe, $500 Added 9 Ball Tourney

stuckart

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Dos Equis Presents: $500 Added

8 & Under 9 Ball Event

Full Race - $25 Entry / Side Pots

Saturday, April 12th, Noon

Signup: Before Noon on day of event

Double Elimination, Winner Break, Loser Pays

Dos Equis's Girls, Giveaways, T-Shirts, Specials, Shots

2 - $50 Gift Cards, Heineken Golf Bag and 2 Tecate outdoor Umbrellas to be raffled off.


93 East Southern Ave, Tempe AZ 85282
SE Corner of Mill & Southern 480.829.1822

Email me with any questions at SetsPool@hotmail.com
 
We'd also like to start running some other weekly or monthly tournaments and I would like your input as to what kind of events we should be running.

I know we are going to run a similiar tourney in June or July, but to benefit our good friend Patrick, AZ Billiards Info Newspaper, and his son through Autism Awareness.

If you can think of other unique tourneys, I'm sure the owners would add money. I also have some vendor's that are willing to pitch in.

Thanks,

Jerry
 
stuckart said:
Dos Equis Presents: $500 Added

8 & Under 9 Ball Event

Full Race - $25 Entry / Side Pots

Saturday, April 12th, Noon

Signup: Before Noon on day of event

Double Elimination, Winner Break, Loser Pays

Dos Equis's Girls, Giveaways, T-Shirts, Specials, Shots

2 - $50 Gift Cards, Heineken Golf Bag and 2 Tecate outdoor Umbrellas to be raffled off.


93 East Southern Ave, Tempe AZ 85282
SE Corner of Mill & Southern 480.829.1822

Email me with any questions at SetsPool@hotmail.com


Bar Boxes, or Big Tables? To bad the King of Beer will not support Pool in the Valley.


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This tourney is on bar boxes. They have 14 bar boxes and 4 big tables. The big tables need some work before I can run anything on them.
 
stuckart said:
bump bump ....

I'm looking for suggestions for tourneys? Any input?

When you run an advertisement in the AZ Infor paper, list your Business Hours, as I called over the weekend, and never got an answer until after 5:00pm..
 
That sucks! I'll have to get on the bartenders about answering the phone. Doors open at 2 p.m. every day, and we'll open early on days where we have tourneys.

On the 12th doors will open at 10 a.m. for practice time.

Thanks for the insight on the Article. We will be on the cover of the May Edition.
 
stuckart said:
bump bump ....

I'm looking for suggestions for tourneys? Any input?


How about something that has not been done in well as long as I can remember now....a 9 & under tournament...
 
What night would be best for this? And how could we go about telling people so that we could get a good turnout?

Thursday's is the only night that we can't have tourneys as of now, because we have 20 teams in an in-house league.
 
Scheduling an event in direct conflict with another large monthly event......

I can only hope that the owner(s) and/or organizer(s) of this event failed to take the time to peruse the local billiard literature (i.e. Az. Billiard Info Newspaper/www.azpoolscene.com/www.desertclassictour.com) prior to hosting this event. After all, this is where the majority of tournaments are advertised state-wide, including some state-wide tour, I believe is called the Arizona Desert Classic Tour.

If this is not the case, I certainly hope this is not another case of an establishment looking to undermine the good that all of the local owners (i.e. Ron Merseal (Alexander's), Jimmy (Kolby's), Al (Metro), Bob (Main Street Tucson), Thor (Main Street Mesa) have done in the pool community.

Each and every one of these owners do their part to make pool better for everyone in this state, as do all of the local tournament/tour directors. They all give courtesy to the other room owners and work together for the best interest of the sport.

As sad as it is to say, many times in the past, this has occurred. As I write this reply, I have just been informed this establishment's organizer knew of the Desert Classic event on April 12th, and yet chose to run a competing tournament on the same weekend.

To all of the other room owners who host added tournaments throughout the state, please take comfort in knowing the organizers behind the Desert Classic Tour will NEVER try to compete in the tournament arena with you. The last thing we would want to do is affect your source of income by re-directing players to another event. It's easy to see that we are all on the same page. Unfortunately, others are not.

And you must know, the Desert Classic Tour is a non-profit tour, created solely for the purpose of assisting the players and promoting the sport. We made sure while scheduling our events to not undermine your efforts as well. So, I guess I would include myself, Jimmy Mendoza, as well as our 11 tour sponsors throughout the state of Arizona, in the group of aforementioned names. For we too, are doing the right thing, for the right reasons.

Good luck!

Dennis
 
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Actually this tourney was planned to not compete with any of the other major Phoenix locations. Alexander's is having big things happen every other weekend of April. Metro is not having a large tourney that weekend either. The event is also an 8 & Under Tourney as I don't know how many 8's would like to drive to Tucson to donate there money to the top 10 players in the state. Many of the clientele of The Sets are 6 and 7 rated players with some 8's in the mix. None of which care about the Desert Classic Tour. And they definitely don't want to drive to Tucson.

I'm sorry that you feel that way, but this tourney is in good intentions to help grow the sport across the valley. There are thousands of players in the metro area and they don't have to all funnel through the same avenues.

Your response was pretty juvenile, and the exact reason why certain pool rooms have problems with each other. And I find your message the exact opposite of "Assisting Players and Promoting the Sport".

This establishments organizer contacted Patrick at AZ Billiards Info, spoke with Al, contacted Ron, checked other bars schedules and planned that this was the best weekend in April to have an event. Would you have felt better if it was competing with the Shootout? Or the Qualifiers? Or other tourneys that are actually in town?

I think your tourney will do just fine. Relax!
 
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Wow I can not believe the last two posts it looks like the great Arizona Pool war is still going strong.

Yes it is sad that all the Owners in the Valley of the Sun, and State of AZ are not working together like apparently "(i.e. Ron Merseal (Alexander's), Jimmy (Kolby's), Al (Metro), Bob (Main Street Tucson), Thor (Main Street Mesa)" are doing according to the post above.

But I do not think that will ever happen, and BTW Kitty of Kitty's Bar in East Phoenix is also running that same weekend (April 12th) a $500.00 added Tournament for the Senior Pool players in the State many of who are 8's, 9's, and 10 Rated Players.

I wish both Prince, and stuckart the best with their events, and hope some day ALL the Room, and Bar Owners in the State of AZ figure out it could be more productive to work together than do what has apparently been going on in the State of AZ as long as I have lived in AZ.

















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I agree Cowboy. And I understand what you were trying to prevent from happening Prince. But as you see here, our 2 independent events have competely different target audiences.

I'm doing what I can to help The Sets, formally Pinky's, in building there establishment back up. That is why I didn't schedule this at the same time as other Phoenix bars were having similiar tourneys.

Your Tour is great to all the best players in the state, and also for the little guys to get some cheap table time with some 10's.

My response above was to the fact that you personally attacted our tournament and accused us of doing something that others have done in the past. I've seen it happen over and over, but there has to be a way to have multiple locations host tourneys on the same weekends. And the best way I see it to offer different formats and ratings.

I hope you agree, and you know I've helped promote your tour. I purposely asked you questions on the TAR ChatRoom during The Derby and The Reno Open, having well known the answers, to help you out.

Put your sword away. Good Luck!
 
stuckart said:
The event is also an 8 & Under Tourney as I don't know how many 8's would like to drive to Tucson to donate there money to the top 10 players in the state. Many of the clientele of The Sets are 6 and 7 rated players with some 8's in the mix. None of which care about the Desert Classic Tour.

I have to admit, I too was a little disappointed to see an 8-and-under scheduled the same weekend. In the past, many tournament organizers would use the rating system as a means of "undercutting" the competition. For example, Room A schedules and open, so Room B schedules an 8-and-under, knowing there are far more 8-rated (and under) players than there are 9's and above.

But to specifically respond to the words that I have quoted:

The notion that players are "donating" every time they play in an open tournament is something that has been pushed on the players by many tournament organizers to the point that the players actually believe that. If you go anywhere else in the country, players are ENCOURAGED to play against the better players.

Tournaments, even with a $50 entry fee, are an extremely cheap way to get in there and get some experience against better players. I remember being a kid, with no chance in hell of even winning a match, let alone actually cashing, putting up a couple hundred to play in every big tournament within a day's drive. Never once did anyone call me a sucker, or try to discourage me. In fact, anyone who ever mentioned it was always very supportive. Fortunately, with the efforts of everyone that Dennis mentioned to promote high-level pool in Arizona, that mindset amongst the players has begun to change, but there are still some people around who cling to the idea that, if you play in a tournament where you're not the favorite, you're a sucker.

I'm not sure if you know this or not, but Dennis and I have made every reasonable effort to appeal to the 8-and-under crowd. The top 8-and-under finisher at the end of the year receives a Teague custom cue, the 2nd place 8-and-under finisher at the end of the year receives a free entry into our season finale, and we also have an 8-and-under side-pot at each of our events. Without compromising the legitimacy of a "state tour", you can see that we have made an honest effort, not only provide a means for these players to mix it up with the top players in the state, but to also try to give something back to this group of players as well. I hope you can understand that, by scheduling an 8-and-under on top of one of our events, we may take that as you undermining our efforts to appeal to this group.

As far as the 8-and-under's "not caring about the Desert Classic Tour", tell that to the ones who participated last month, the ones who I have spoke to who seem genuinely excited about the tour, and the ones who are both SPONSORING and participating in the tour.

I understand that schedule conflicts will happen, and I am not going to be the guy who gets on here and complains each time that someone hosts an event on the same weekend as one of ours. In reality, your event probably won't have much of an effect on ours, and vice versa, especially given that they are a good 90 miles apart. However, having said that, I'm surprised that you wouldn't have expected this reaction from us, especially knowing that we have made sincere efforts to try to appeal to this very group of players.
 
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The tournament was scheduled in early February. I contacted Patrick at AZ Billiards and asked if there was any other competing tournaments on different weekends in March and April. We held ours off through the end of March because of tourneys at Northern, Metro and Alexander's. The response was that the only competing tourneys were out of town.

And I 100% back the quote you have listed from me. You will get your 8's without any problem from our tourney. Being an 8 myself, I wouldn't travel 90 miles for a tourney that will be back in town every month this year.

I've also heard many 8's and 9's talk how they won't support your tour because they don't want to support the top 10 players in the state. When I first heard this it gave me a bitter taste in my mouth, but at the same time I can respect there feelings.

Most of the persons that come to The Sets are there to have a good time. They are beer drinking pool players. The level of seriousness doesn't compete with your level. A $50 buy-in, plus $40 fee is not something most are willing to drop. How many 6's and 7's will make the trip?

Jimmy M said:
In reality, your event probably won't have much of an effect on ours, and vice versa, especially given that they are a good 90 miles apart. However, having said that, I'm surprised that you wouldn't have expected this reaction from us, especially knowing that we have made sincere efforts to try to appeal to this very group of players.

This was exactly my point! You agree that we won't be competing for players, but then you find it necessary to bag on our tourney anyway. A simple apology and understanding that we are both trying to better the pool world would be appreciated.
 
stuckart said:
Actually this tourney was planned to not compete with any of the other major Phoenix locations. Alexander's is having big things happen every other weekend of April. Metro is not having a large tourney that weekend either. The event is also an 8 & Under Tourney as I don't know how many 8's would like to drive to Tucson to donate there money to the top 10 players in the state. Many of the clientele of The Sets are 6 and 7 rated players with some 8's in the mix. None of which care about the Desert Classic Tour. And they definitely don't want to drive to Tucson.

I'm sorry that you feel that way, but this tourney is in good intentions to help grow the sport across the valley. There are thousands of players in the metro area and they don't have to all funnel through the same avenues.

Your response was pretty juvenile, and the exact reason why certain pool rooms have problems with each other. And I find your message the exact opposite of "Assisting Players and Promoting the Sport".

This establishments organizer contacted Patrick at AZ Billiards Info, spoke with Al, contacted Ron, checked other bars schedules and planned that this was the best weekend in April to have an event. Would you have felt better if it was competing with the Shootout? Or the Qualifiers? Or other tourneys that are actually in town?

I think your tourney will do just fine. Relax!
First off, let me say that I am pretty relaxed and my sword is away. Those who know me can attest to that. With regard to you opinion about my post being juvenile, you're certainly entitled to your own opinion, but others would disagree, which prompted my reply in the first place.

Furthermore, I will try to address each statement in your earlier reply. I'm not quite sure how long you have been organizing/running tournaments in Arizona, but I don't believe you speak on behalf of all of the 8 and under rated players in the state. So to say that you don't know how many 8and unders would like to "drive to Tucson and donate their money to the top 10 players in the state" is an insult. Not only an insult to them, but to Bob Jackson (owner of Main Street Billiards), who is hosting the event on April 12. And, i might add, an insult to the Tucson players. On many occasions, they have made the drive to Phoenix to support the tournaments here in the valley. A little courtesy and respect in doing the same for them would be greatly appreciated I'm sure.

If you have been around the Arizona pool scene for any length of time, you would know that Bob Jackson has done more for pool than just about anyone in this state, myself and you included. So, if you would show him a little respect, he certainly deserves it!

So to that, I ask your organizer...if Ron Merseal, Jimmy, Al, Thor or anyone else hosting an added tournament would have had a tournament going on this date, would they have still scheduled this event. I would only hope the answer is "no" for obvious reasons. I guess because Bob Jackson is in Tucson, he does not deserve the same respect. I'm sure he would disagree. In fact, I know he would. I wonder if they even considered calling him to ask him his thoughts, as according to you post, they did with Al, Ron, etc...

To say that my post is "the exact reason why certain pool roooms have problems with each other" is absurd. Those who know me (and you don't) know that I'm not part of that problem. In fact, many would agree that I am, in fact, "assisting players and promoting the sport", and a part of the solution, despite what you believe. Just ask around, i highly encourage it.

I know the Tucson tourney will do just fine, as you stated. That is because there are a large majority of players in this state who don't believe they are simply "donating" to better players, and certainly don't mind driving 90 mins to support others throughout the state.

Also, of course i would not have felt better if the event was scheduled to compete with the Shootout, or the Qualifiers, as you suggested. As i have said before, i would never consider trying to compete with another tournament. That works against everything these owners/sponsors/directors are trying to accomplish.

If you are trying to help this establishment build, allow me to suggest running the 8 and under on a weekend when there is no other event being held, here or in Tucson. That would allow you to possibly even draw some of those Tucson players in. Believe me, they don't mind making the drive to Phoenix, and they will support the tournament.

Yes, I will agree, you have done a lot to help promote the Desert Classic Tour. I never said you didn't, nor would I. And for that, we do thank you. And for that reason, had you scheduled your event first, neither I, nor Bob Jackson would have agreed to host a 1K added at his establishment. I can assure you of that.

Good luck with your tournament and again, thank you for your support.

Dennis
 
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stuckart said:
This was exactly my point! You agree that we won't be competing for players, but then you find it necessary to bag on our tourney anyway. A simple apology and understanding that we are both trying to better the pool world would be appreciated.

I think you're reading what you want to read. I "bagged on your tournament"? And now you want me to apologize? What am I apologizing for? :confused:
 
Jimmy M. said:
The notion that players are "donating" every time they play in an open tournament is something that has been pushed on the players by many tournament organizers to the point that the players actually believe that. If you go anywhere else in the country, players are ENCOURAGED to play against the better players.

That is why this under 8 don't play in them. If I want to get beat up I can go to Metro on Monday and Play in an Open for $7.00.
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