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Still_Learning
08-10-2008, 07:25 AM
After the six preliminary rounds have been played, every player in the tournament has played 150 games of 9-ball and broken, on average, 75 times. (Really, every player has broken between 72 and 78 times, depending on how often that player won the lag.) Anyway, based on 75 breaks per person...

The 12 players in that event are breaking and running out, on average, 30% of the time (273 times out of 900). Two of the players in that field are not world-class speed. The 10 world-class players are breaking and running out 35% of the time (260 times out of 750).

On tables with 4.125" pockets!

Folks, I played a mini-tournament on the public tables with the same dimensions, and I didn't see a single B&R among the (amateur) field. I did break and run a rack on that table in practice, because I got there early and had a table to myself for a while. But that B&R was a super easy layout. I'd guess that when I'm playing my best, I'd B&R maybe 10% of the time on those tables. When I'm not playing well, forget it.

35% of the time! What have I gotten myself into? :eek: :sorry:

iba7467
08-10-2008, 08:08 AM
Using this assumption Corey average breaking and running 45% of the time and SVB was over 50%.

Another thing to remember is that these players are playing to win, not just run out. It is my feeling that the majority of players in this tournament would beat the ghost without ball-in-hand. There are alot of "sell out" shots during tournament play that players will play safe on, where betting to run out they would fire and make the shot at least 40% of the time.

smashmouth
08-10-2008, 08:14 AM
are you at Evan Broxmeyer's level? cause he came nowhere close to 10%

Corey and Shane running out at around 45% is higher than what most guys on the IPT were doing running 8 ball racks, which is to say their stats are INSANE!

Orcullo winning 74% of his games, INSANE, and his break wasn't even that great

smashmouth
08-10-2008, 08:17 AM
Using this assumption Corey average breaking and running 45% of the time and SVB was over 50%.

Another thing to remember is that these players are playing to win, not just run out. It is my feeling that the majority of players in this tournament would beat the ghost without ball-in-hand. There are alot of "sell out" shots during tournament play that players will play safe on, where betting to run out they would fire and make the shot at least 40% of the time.

I'm pretty sure that is what the insurance company failed to take into account years ago making Early a very happy man

Still_Learning
08-11-2008, 05:34 AM
are you at Evan Broxmeyer's level? cause he came nowhere close to 10%


Probably not. I was talking about what I could do in a good practice session where I'm willing to try a sellout shot to continue a run. He was playing in tournament conditions. When I played the mini-tournament, I only attempted really tough shots when all other choices were worse. (And I made the two toughest shots I attempted, but lost anyway.)

I'm sure if Broxmeyer was relaxed and playing his best, he'd run more than 10% of the time.

Cameron Smith
08-11-2008, 07:02 AM
On tables with 4.125" pockets!

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Where did it say the pockets were that small? The pockets looked like they were playing much bigger than that.

Still_Learning
08-11-2008, 09:54 AM
Where did it say the pockets were that small? (4.125" pockets) The pockets looked like they were playing much bigger than that.

I got that info from "TheActionReport" himself, when I asked it on the chat room on Friday's feed. He told me the pockets were playing larger because of the brand new Simonis 860. Apparently it's easier to pocket balls with new cloth (news to me, but I trust his knowledge).

iba7467
08-11-2008, 09:59 AM
Apparently it's easier to pocket balls with new cloth (news to me, but I trust his knowledge).

It is. It causes balls that might normally jar out to slide into the pocket. The reason for this is the lack of friction on the ball which causes it not to rebound as harsh nor as quickly off the cushions ... especially when shot parallel to the rail.

Cameron Smith
08-11-2008, 10:19 AM
I understand that. I didn't expect it to make that much of a difference. I've played on the size of pockets before and shots down the rail were brutal if played at any speed.

But now that I think of it I remember thinking the pockets looked like they were playing around 4.5", so I guess that probably works out.