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JC51534
08-24-2008, 05:16 AM
CBSA ? What A Joke

First of all I respect all the players who have played and the Champions who have won in the annual farce called the Canadian Championships.

But?.
This clueless organization is so far behind the times they still believe that snooker is the game played by most Canadians.

Need a good laugh check out their web site www.cbsa.ca but really lower expectations before you go there

If you wonder why pool in Canada continues to be in such sad shape look no farther than this dinosaur?..

Canadian Pool needs a new organization that at least understands how to update a website before, during and after the so called Canadian Championships!

I blame the CBSA for killing snooker in Canada and now they are well on their way to doing the same thing to 8 ball and 9 ball.

I urge all players to boycott the CBSA and start your own true Canadian Association that gets it!

xxxbilliards
08-24-2008, 07:09 AM
I have seen this happen for many years and wish some changes may have taken place by now....... is sad the state of affairs now.
Participation is low, prizes are low, people at the the of the sport seems unconcerned with. Where is the dedication/ love for the sport gone?
Maybe some day soon we get to see some changes, but not before some heads roll down!!
Just my two cents worth of pool
Have a nice day all!!!!!

xxxbilliards
08-24-2008, 07:11 AM
CBSA ? What A Joke

First of all I respect all the players who have played and the Champions who have won in the annual farce called the Canadian Championships.

But?.
This clueless organization is so far behind the times they still believe that snooker is game played by most Canadians.

Need a good laugh check out their web site www.cbsa.ca but really lower expectations before you go there

If you wonder why pool in Canada continues to be in such sad shape look no farther than this dinosaur?..

Canadian Pool needs a new organization that at least understands how to update a website before, during and after the so called Canadian Championships!

I blame the CBSA for killing snooker in Canada and now they are well on their way to doing the same thing to 8 ball and 9 ball.

I urge all players to boycott the CBSA and start your own true Canadian Association that gets it!
I''m with you on this bro

Mase
08-24-2008, 07:21 AM
CBSA ? What A Joke

First of all I respect all the players who have played and the Champions who have won in the annual farce called the Canadian Championships.

But?.
This clueless organization is so far behind the times they still believe that snooker is game played by most Canadians.

Need a good laugh check out their web site www.cbsa.ca but really lower expectations before you go there

If you wonder why pool in Canada continues to be in such sad shape look no farther than this dinosaur?..

Canadian Pool needs a new organization that at least understands how to update a website before, during and after the so called Canadian Championships!

I blame the CBSA for killing snooker in Canada and now they are well on their way to doing the same thing to 8 ball and 9 ball.

I urge all players to boycott the CBSA and start your own true Canadian Association that gets it!

If you are more than just hot air, let me know when you start your new organization. Of course you will need to spend from a couple to many hours a week to keep it up and running and organize the championships. You will need a very thick skin because most people will criticize whatever you do and of course, will offer no options for improvement. These same people will never volunteer to help with any of the organization because they expect it to be done for them.

All of the information regarding the Canadians was carried in a timely fashion at snookerline.com and shooterville.com.

I think the organizers and Shooters did a great job and the results were available in a very timely manner. Well done!!

Poolislife
08-24-2008, 02:25 PM
CBSA ? What A Joke

First of all I respect all the players who have played and the Champions who have won in the annual farce called the Canadian Championships.

But?.
This clueless organization is so far behind the times they still believe that snooker is the game played by most Canadians.

Need a good laugh check out their web site www.cbsa.ca but really lower expectations before you go there

If you wonder why pool in Canada continues to be in such sad shape look no farther than this dinosaur?..

Canadian Pool needs a new organization that at least understands how to update a website before, during and after the so called Canadian Championships!

I blame the CBSA for killing snooker in Canada and now they are well on their way to doing the same thing to 8 ball and 9 ball.

I urge all players to boycott the CBSA and start your own true Canadian Association that gets it!

ok, let me get this straight......Pool is in such a sad state of affairs because of CBSA.ca? Yet it was is such great shape before the internet.

Just because you don't know what websites to use for results you are throwing a little fit, lol.

JC51534
08-24-2008, 10:12 PM
ok, let me get this straight......Pool is in such a sad state of affairs because of CBSA.ca? Yet it was is such great shape before the internet.

Just because you don't know what websites to use for results you are throwing a little fit, lol.

You to will get wiser as you get older... or shall we disagree on that as well

sly
08-25-2008, 05:23 AM
CBSA ? What A Joke

First of all I respect all the players who have played and the Champions who have won in the annual farce called the Canadian Championships.

But?.
This clueless organization is so far behind the times they still believe that snooker is the game played by most Canadians.

Need a good laugh check out their web site www.cbsa.ca but really lower expectations before you go there

If you wonder why pool in Canada continues to be in such sad shape look no farther than this dinosaur?..

Canadian Pool needs a new organization that at least understands how to update a website before, during and after the so called Canadian Championships!

I blame the CBSA for killing snooker in Canada and now they are well on their way to doing the same thing to 8 ball and 9 ball.

I urge all players to boycott the CBSA and start your own true Canadian Association that gets it!

Tap,Tap,Tap, i'm sure there are more who feel like you do,plenty been the same regime for at least 10 years and turnout going down every year.
entry fees are high, but the money dont find its way into the prize fund. all entry fees at minimum should be in the purse.
having a big event in the middle summer just dont seem like the brightest idea but year after year...... same thing.
with 2 spots to the worlds you would think it'l fill up,never does
the list goes on
rod

xxxbilliards
08-25-2008, 10:41 AM
:wink: Tap,Tap,Tap, i'm sure there are more who feel like you do,plenty been the same regime for at least 10 years and turnout going down every year.
entry fees are high, but the money dont find its way into the prize fund. all entry fees at minimum should be in the purse.
having a big event in the middle summer just dont seem like the brightest idea but year after year...... same thing.
with 2 spots to the worlds you would think it'l fill up,never does
the list goes on
rod
I truly believe that part of the reason behind the obvious decline is due to conflict of interest for the most part.......think about it!!
If one of the exec?s is involved in a buss that caters to pool, then is only logic to try to bring some buss their way, but when the line is crossed over and over as has been in the past with out mentioning names of buss then the results becomes apparent and the players loose interest partly because the regulars from the house have home advantage with the equip
In order to increase attendance certain things must be accommodated, change of venue, places, handicaps, money added, if a tour is considered then it must be run and maintain up to date, share the info with other media like az, inside pool, etc. send the reports so that they in turn may include our local players in their stats. If they keep the info just for themselves then you will run out of fish sooner or later....on the other hand if you share your supply, then you gain their supply as well......need to say more?? :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

srs314
08-26-2008, 11:47 AM
Well firstly the snooker fields for the open and senior were full and had no available spots so that doesn't seem like they have killed snooker.

The venue has been in three diffierent places in the last three years and it was only in Ontario last year becuase of an issue outwest with the room that was supposed to host it.

You are speaking of an asssociation of volunteers that should be thanked for what they do, let's see what everyone else does for free and to support the game.

If anyone would like to volunteer to run a Canadian Open, get sponsors and not take any money out for themselves let me know.

sly
08-26-2008, 02:32 PM
the only reason it filled was cause it was in ontario, there was quantity but not much quality, some of the guys who play qualify in their province where lower ranked players pay for the spot so it dont cost them that much,but this formula discourages many players,but if you have a group of diehards who play every other week and send their money to cbsa then this is what you get. a volunteer organisation never leads to much, they should volunteer to give the whole assosiation to someone who could get sponsers and take a salary from that, the more that person gets the more he could make,if in the hands of the right people this could be done.
to do nothing all year and once every summer hold a "national championship" and make the players pay for it just dont seem the way to go.

srs314
08-27-2008, 12:37 AM
I just want to start by saying that my comments are made as the owner of Shooterville and do not come directly from the CBSA.

Local players to the host province are always a majority in the field that's just the way it is. Canada is a large country and flying and staying is not cheap for anyone from out of province.

By the way the CBSA must be a non profit association under the rules of the World Pool Association who is the governing body of pool, money they take covers real expenses.

For example the $25 membership that each player pays goes to the provincial delegate or deleates as compensation for their time and expenses.

Also we are lucky to have a great group of delegates that I know have put alot of that money back to help players with expenses and other support.

You are right that all the fields are not full and that is something to work towards and I think the CBSA will get there. I agree everything was done late this year but the association is off to a better start for next year. They already have the dates, the venue, and new people on the board.

So hopefully your impression of it will change next year.

Cameron Smith
08-27-2008, 09:09 PM
I don't know much about promoting events. But what I do know is that, the Canadian Championship venue was not announced until late into this year, qualifiers were not announced until July. As a fan, I would love to attend every year, but how am I expected to make vacation plans if I am not given any notice. I have a similar concern as a player. I didn't even attempt to qualify this year because by the time I found out about the qualifers, I didn't have vacation time available.

The event last year was set up nicely, but the execution seemed lazy to me. The score boards were difficult for spectators to see in the Snooker division and in the Pool the score cards were faced away from the fans. As a fan, I felt like I was an after thought.

During the Snooker final, it was during the match that someone decided to write the game score on a chalk board. During the 9 ball final, Jason Klatt was turning the score card around after each game. It shouldn't be up to one of the players to keep the audience up to date.

Last years event was at the Ottawa Super EX. It was a tremendous opportunity draw spectators who wouldn't have come to the event otherwise. Well, it appears they blew it. During much (if not all, I can't remember) of the Snooker tournament there was absolutely no signs or marking telling anyone where the tournament was. Nevertheless people did manage to find there way to check out the tournament, but since many are not familiar with Snooker or 9 ball, and there was really no way for them to follow the match (no scores, remember?) they quickly left.

They really should have posted the rules of 9 ball and snooker so people could come in and understand what is going on.

The snooker tables played so difficult that it was almost unwatchable. I have to imagine that this also drove some people away.

I enjoyed the performance the players put on, but as I mentioned, the execution of the event was lazy.

P.S. This my opinion of the event, and don't tell me to put on my own events. If a restaurant serves me shit, no one tells me to open up my own restaurant if I don't like it.

srs314
08-27-2008, 09:24 PM
Cameron,

I agree with much of what you said and it's those things you mention that would truly enhance the event.

The notice of the event location dates and venue will be much earlier as well as qualifiers.

I will take your reccomendations to the association as feedback and look to better the event next year to be more fan friendly.

I can also have members of this association read the comments in this forum with an open mind and make what positive changes they can.

Cameron Smith
08-27-2008, 09:33 PM
Cameron,

I agree with much of what you said and it's those things you mention that would truly enhance the event.

The notice of the event location dates and venue will be much earlier as well as qualifiers.

I will take your reccomendations to the association as feedback and look to better the event next year to be more fan friendly.

I can also have members of this association read the comments in this forum with an open mind and make what positive changes they can.

Thank you. This means a lot.

suel
08-30-2008, 09:06 PM
For the last 5 years I have sat on the CBSA board and I am very much aware of changes that need to be made and the work involved in making the changes not to mention the finances involved in making the changes.

I totally "get" players' disenchantment with their governing body and we hope in time to improve upon the National Championship, among other issues.

However, there is one issue that I can clarify for you and anybody else out there who likes to talk about the "money". If you are a member of your provincial association, you may ask to see CBSA's financial statements for the past 33 years if you so desire. For a $475 entry fee, $25 comes out for the banquet dinner, which leaves $450, 10%, which is $45 goes towards CBSA, leaving $405 that goes directly into the tournament. There is no other association in the world that takes only 10% from events that they run to keep their associations in existence. Yes it would be nice to have added money in the Nationals, but sponsors are not standing in line to sponsor the "Billiard Game".

I would also like to remind players that CBSA does not exist to fill player's pockets, they are the gateway to International play and becoming a World Champion. As a past Canadian and World Snooker Champion, I am a direct result of efforts put forth by people who have in the past sat on the CBSA board.

Sue Lemaich
Vice President, CBSA

xxxbilliards
08-31-2008, 05:19 PM
For the last 5 years I have sat on the CBSA board and I am very much aware of changes that need to be made and the work involved in making the changes not to mention the finances involved in making the changes.

I totally "get" players' disenchantment with their governing body and we hope in time to improve upon the National Championship, among other issues.

However, there is one issue that I can clarify for you and anybody else out there who likes to talk about the "money". If you are a member of your provincial association, you may ask to see CBSA's financial statements for the past 33 years if you so desire. For a $475 entry fee, $25 comes out for the banquet dinner, which leaves $450, 10%, which is $45 goes towards CBSA, leaving $405 that goes directly into the tournament. There is no other association in the world that takes only 10% from events that they run to keep their associations in existence. Yes it would be nice to have added money in the Nationals, but sponsors are not standing in line to sponsor the "Billiard Game".

I would also like to remind players that CBSA does not exist to fill player's pockets, they are the gateway to International play and becoming a World Champion. As a past Canadian and World Snooker Champion, I am a direct result of efforts put forth by people who have in the past sat on the CBSA board.

Sue Lemaich
Vice President, CBSA
That is part of the problem when you have a bias in the buss of pool, maybe you do not notice the fact you and Scott are partners in the Shooterville.com and protect each other, even when you write articles you protect him and he protects you as seen in this board, never mind the fact you stiffed the 10K director with hes fees and claim to have given same to the waitress from there, besides the fact he had tipped them for one day service with the amount of $ 60.00........you worked at Bobby D's and everything you did was to bring all the tournaments from OBSA to one place because it was your paycheck. That is bias anywhere.....
The enrollmenthave been in decline since you are at the wheel, maybe you need to get some new blood there that has no bias. Good luck if you still work at Bobby D's, but please don't pretend there is nothin wrong.

suel
08-31-2008, 08:38 PM
That is part of the problem when you have a bias in the buss of pool, maybe you do not notice the fact you and Scott are partners in the Shooterville.com and protect each other, even when you write articles you protect him and he protects you as seen in this board, never mind the fact you stiffed the 10K director with hes fees and claim to have given same to the waitress from there, besides the fact he had tipped them for one day service with the amount of $ 60.00........you worked at Bobby D's and everything you did was to bring all the tournaments from OBSA to one place because it was your paycheck. That is bias anywhere.....
The enrollmenthave been in decline since you are at the wheel, maybe you need to get some new blood there that has no bias. Good luck if you still work at Bobby D's, but please don't pretend there is nothin wrong.


Well, well Willy, finally crawled out from whatever rock you were hiding under, only to voice your opinions on Scott Soroko and myself being partners and sticking up for each other, how I earned my paycheck at Bobby D's and how you were "Stiffed" at the 10k.

#1. Shooterville is owned and operated by Scott Soroko and no one else. My partnership with him exists solely to bring him advertisers, which the proceeds go directly to helping players. Who would not want to defend a man like that?

#2. I was employed by Bobby D's for 10 years and part of my job was to run a league and host events. Bobby D's held the majority of Ontario qualifiers because they added money to the events which other rooms did not want to do. When they no longer wanted to add any money to the qualifiers, the events went to the rooms that did. Bobby D's owner had no issue whatsoever with me taking qualifiers elsewhere, she was well aware that my duty as a director on OBSA was to find money for player entries and expenses. Thank goodness, my paycheck was safe!

#3. As far as being "Stiffed" by Bobby D's, let us tell the true story. At the very last event for the 10K, you decided to change a few rules which were not yours to change. I am sure that you and all the players that were there, remember the chaos that was caused on that day. The room owner of Bobby D's only wanted the rules that were in place from day 1 to stay the same for the final event, that was the fair and right thing to happen, but unfortunately that was not what happened.
When the 3 "Original" room owners met to discuss Year 2 of the 10K, I advised the room owner(after all I had to earn my paycheck)to request the following changes: A committee of 3 be formed to deal with "handicaps"
The "Tournament Director" would only run the tournament
All "monies" be handled by the 3 owners
48 Hours later, Kenny Chen informed us that we would no longer be part of the 10K.
As far as your "fee" not being paid that day of the final event, it was decided by the owner and myself, that the extra $25 you tacked on to all entries on that day, was enough pay.

Likewise Willy, I wish you the "BEST OF LUCK" in the future and all the players that choose to play in events that you run.

xxxbilliards
08-31-2008, 11:20 PM
Well, well Willy, finally crawled out from whatever rock you were hiding under, only to voice your opinions on Scott Soroko and myself being partners and sticking up for each other, how I earned my paycheck at Bobby D's and how you were "Stiffed" at the 10k.

#1. Shooterville is owned and operated by Scott Soroko and no one else. My partnership with him exists solely to bring him advertisers, which the proceeds go directly to helping players. Who would not want to defend a man like that?

#2. I was employed by Bobby D's for 10 years and part of my job was to run a league and host events. Bobby D's held the majority of Ontario qualifiers because they added money to the events which other rooms did not want to do. When they no longer wanted to add any money to the qualifiers, the events went to the rooms that did. Bobby D's owner had no issue whatsoever with me taking qualifiers elsewhere, she was well aware that my duty as a director on OBSA was to find money for player entries and expenses. Thank goodness, my paycheck was safe!

#3. As far as being "Stiffed" by Bobby D's, let us tell the true story. At the very last event for the 10K, you decided to change a few rules which were not yours to change. I am sure that you and all the players that were there, remember the chaos that was caused on that day. The room owner of Bobby D's only wanted the rules that were in place from day 1 to stay the same for the final event, that was the fair and right thing to happen, but unfortunately that was not what happened.
When the 3 "Original" room owners met to discuss Year 2 of the 10K, I advised the room owner(after all I had to earn my paycheck)to request the following changes: A committee of 3 be formed to deal with "handicaps"
The "Tournament Director" would only run the tournament
All "monies" be handled by the 3 owners
48 Hours later, Kenny Chen informed us that we would no longer be part of the 10K.
As far as your "fee" not being paid that day of the final event, it was decided by the owner and myself, that the extra $25 you tacked on to all entries on that day, was enough pay.

Likewise Willy, I wish you the "BEST OF LUCK" in the future and all the players that choose to play in events that you run.
It was 15 not 25 for the finals fee, you charge 25 as membership....correct?......and the owners had their approval at the meeting of the changes a week before the finals.....just clearing the air
Have a nice day and good luck Sue L

srs314
09-01-2008, 02:37 AM
Though I appreciate that everyone has an opinion I think this discussion is doing nothing positive for the players and the game. Maybe we can take this negative energy and put it towards constructive ideas for the future.

The CBSA are aware of this forum and not just Sue as I have explained to them within all the complaining are some good points to consider.

It is my hope that things keep getting better, there are also new members with new ideas on the board which is one issue that's been raised.

The CBSA has the lead time this year to make this event really great with more players than ever.

Also they will have a new updated web site with much more information and coverage on it this year.

Personally I am excited about this coming year for the Canadian Championships.

Cameron Smith
09-01-2008, 11:40 AM
Out of curiosity, is the CBSA actively looking for sponsors?

If sponsors are not interested in Canadian Pool or Snooker at the moment perhaps a priority should be discussing what needs to be done to make pool and snooker more attractive to sponsors.

DaveK
09-01-2008, 06:53 PM
.... chaos ...

It certainly sounds like it ... but then washing dirty laundry in public often has that result.

Dave

xxxbilliards
09-03-2008, 03:25 PM
It certainly sounds like it ... but then washing dirty laundry in public often has that result.

Dave
I''m sorry about the whole thing and I must say it should have never happened in the first place. My intention all along was to promote pool from the amateur level ever since I got to know John Morra at Petrinas and he was a 4 hc and I was a 5, from there to where it is now is like one new world has gone by.......never regretted the driving alone from niagara to Peterborough or anywhere else as long as I had a good time and good time they were.
If at any time some one or some association wants to better pool......I'm in...just ask, my system of handicap was created by foot work, not in my mind and with the new system of advanced amateur is even better.......it affords all players alike an opportunity to cash in and at the same time offers the thrill of real competition.
Leave your comments and perhaps poll the players that have benefited from competition with full fields as in the past, perhaps a united goal is better than a divided front
Only thinking out loud!!!!!!!! or maybe not

ballbanger
09-03-2008, 04:24 PM
from my point as a spectator i though willy did a great job from the tournaments that i watched. where else can you win that kind of money. A job well done willy!:smile:

xxxbilliards
09-03-2008, 05:06 PM
from my point as a spectator i though willy did a great job from the tournaments that i watched. where else can you win that kind of money. A job well done willy!:smile:
Thanks friend, as always there will be some for and some against.......but the bottom line has always been for the better of the sport.
I can recollect when there was not handicap tournaments and small fields where the owners had to add money with out the possibility of having a return in sales. In essence a tournament is for both the players as well as he owners of buss, if not the well will dry up sooner than later.
Then the tounaments with handicaps started to become popular and even assoc.. that never had handicaps started to have tournament with differences (handicap) their formats change to much the same as the 10-20-30K alternate breaks, box, rack your own, etc.
Truly hope there is hope for amateur pool in the coming history as I personally would like to play and not direct.
I do wish all a better tomorrow, as today is about to end!!
Good fortunes and prosper to all

xxxbilliards
09-03-2008, 05:11 PM
By the way, I'm cruising South America (scoutting) local talent to see where there may be someone capable of coming North to battle as my invitee and see if we can measure some sticks
In the mean time if I find something I will share with you all, perhaps there is another Johnny or Erik, Jason, etc. down here.
Have a nice one again

srs314
09-03-2008, 08:48 PM
Amateur level is so important to focus on because in most events they make up 95% of the field.

In my opinion there are four kinds of players.

1. League players that are not interested in tournaments outside the league system.
2. Amateurs that are happy with the level they are at and due to other priorities like work or family don't have the time or desire to improve. There love of the game and the people around it is what brings them to compete.
3. Amateur players that are truly trying to improve their game and get to the level of the top players.
4. Pro players who play for a living.

Finding a way to bring all these players out to one event is tricky. Willy has done it, and the first year numbers were amazing, they lowered in the next couple years but I think only becasue there were so many more events. The handicap format gave amateurs a chance to win. Shooters and Bigwigs have done a similar thing with the 404 events.

There may never be a perfect system becuase the top players can just keep you off the table no matter what your handicap is if they play good. This is proven by the results of events.

Anybody with any great ideas? I'm sure the tour directors would like to hear them, so post them.

Celtic
09-15-2008, 12:59 PM
Sue Lemaich
Vice President, CBSA

As long as you are here and the current VP of the CBSA I have to ask you how your organization has such a seemingly minimal focus on actually running quality events across Canada? Last years Alberta 8-ball championships were a total gongshow, the bulk of people in Calgary had no idea that they were even going on and the turnout almost caused the entire tournament to fold. How is a provincial qualifier for the national event so absolutely terribly advertised such that this happens while a person like Jim Wych can run a tour across Canada that gets the players attention and advertises their events well in advance to great effect? I myself heard about the alberta 8-ball championships at Oc's THE DAY OF THE EVENT from a friend who just happend to call me who plays out of Oc's all the time.

Also, why is the national event ALWAYS in Eastern Canada? We actually have a huge number of players in this western area of the country as well that would take part in the competition if you A) actually advertise it and make us aware of it's existence, and B) actually put on quality events on this other part of the country, perhaps alternating between East and West each year. At present the whole thing seems to have a tremendous biase towards the East and makes us in the west wonder how effective your organization is when the only first hand experience we have is a 8-ball championship that hardly anyone knows about that gets a total of 8 players.

A summation of this post, you guys are seriously not doing a good enough job. Either start working a whole lot harder to make the organization work well and have a quality stable of events to send the players of Canada to the international competitions or get out of the way so that people who have the will and ability to do so actually can.

srs314
09-15-2008, 02:00 PM
Celtic,

I'm not sure if you have read much of this forum but the last time it was scheduled and set to run in the west 3 years ago the room there was forced to back out for financial reasons. A room in Ontario stepped up to host. No other room in the west stepped up at that time and none have since.

If you can mention any rooms out west that have to table and person capacity I'm sure they would be considered in the future. Or if not a room a comference center or other location willing to give the space as sponsorship. Canada is a big country and I agree it would be great to have other provinces host the Canadian Championship.

As far as your local qualifiers you should contact your provincial rep with your issues.

Your summation is unfair, our Canadian Association is successful in sending players to the World Championship which is their mandate from the WPA. They have worked with Jim Wych in the past to qualify players through his tour.

Maybe instead of saying people don't work hard a better approach would be to suggest some constructive ideas. I just think it's a better way to influence change.

Celtic
09-15-2008, 04:22 PM
Celtic,

I'm not sure if you have read much of this forum but the last time it was scheduled and set to run in the west 3 years ago the room there was forced to back out for financial reasons. A room in Ontario stepped up to host. No other room in the west stepped up at that time and none have since.

If you can mention any rooms out west that have to table and person capacity I'm sure they would be considered in the future. Or if not a room a comference center or other location willing to give the space as sponsorship. Canada is a big country and I agree it would be great to have other provinces host the Canadian Championship.

As far as your local qualifiers you should contact your provincial rep with your issues.

Your summation is unfair, our Canadian Association is successful in sending players to the World Championship which is their mandate from the WPA. They have worked with Jim Wych in the past to qualify players through his tour.

Maybe instead of saying people don't work hard a better approach would be to suggest some constructive ideas. I just think it's a better way to influence change.

How about actively seeking out those rooms that might be able to support the events? I know the owner of Oc's wishes to get into the large tournaments more but has had issues with contacting the people that he would need to talk to.

I would happily spend a heap of time and do their job and make a better running system. Of course I would expect that they in turn send someone to take up my geophysics degree, keeping my 3.5 gpa and of course doing the 13 hour/7 day a week summer employment I do. Otherwise no, I am not going to do THEIR job on my very small window of free time. I don't after all have the neat little VP of blah blah blah after my name on this forum do I? If the CSBA thinks people like me should be doing a huge amount of their logistics work then there is a serious problem in their design and thinking right there.

Want some constructive comments? Get out and talk to the room owners and find out what is out there and who is interested in perhaps running events. Plan events well in advance and make sure they are properly advertised so that the players know they actually exist. I mean, this is not rocket science, I would not assume I actually have to say this type of stuff.... but then again this minimal amount of stuff itself is not getting done so I guess it actually does need to be said.

Defend them all you want, I see you are in the East and I am sure your provincial championships are not the absurd joke our 8-ball event was this year, if it were then I know you would not be spouting off on the great job they were doing. Take my word, the Alberta 8-ball event is NOT good enough, it is not even friggin close when at 10:00 AM the day of the event after driving an hour to get to the pool hall the people there are talking about just canceling the event because there are not enough people to even make it a real tournament. We had plenty of events in Alberta last year, and this was the only one that turned into a joke of a fiasco, and this is supposed to be the premier Canadian pool and snooker organization sanctioning events like this? No, it is not good enough, and no I am not going to fix it for them and do all their work, I already do plenty and have my own responsibilities I actually take care of and do a good job at. If they can not deal with their own then they should as I said quit and let someone move in who can do a far better job. Instead they will probably keep their slack ass posts doing a minimal amount of work and screw this sport over further in this country because it is claer they don't give a flying ****.

JD_Hogg
09-15-2008, 07:48 PM
How about actively seeking out those rooms that might be able to support the events? I know the owner of Oc's wishes to get into the large tournaments more but has had issues with contacting the people that he would need to talk to.

I would happily spend a heap of time and do their job and make a better running system. Of course I would expect that they in turn send someone to take up my geophysics degree, keeping my 3.5 gpa and of course doing the 13 hour/7 day a week summer employment I do. Otherwise no, I am not going to do THEIR job on my very small window of free time. I don't after all have the neat little VP of blah blah blah after my name on this forum do I? If the CSBA thinks people like me should be doing a huge amount of their logistics work then there is a serious problem in their design and thinking right there.

Want some constructive comments? Get out and talk to the room owners and find out what is out there and who is interested in perhaps running events. Plan events well in advance and make sure they are properly advertised so that the players know they actually exist. I mean, this is not rocket science, I would not assume I actually have to say this type of stuff.... but then again this minimal amount of stuff itself is not getting done so I guess it actually does need to be said.

Defend them all you want, I see you are in the East and I am sure your provincial championships are not the absurd joke our 8-ball event was this year, if it were then I know you would not be spouting off on the great job they were doing. Take my word, the Alberta 8-ball event is NOT good enough, it is not even friggin close when at 10:00 AM the day of the event after driving an hour to get to the pool hall the people there are talking about just canceling the event because there are not enough people to even make it a real tournament. We had plenty of events in Alberta last year, and this was the only one that turned into a joke of a fiasco, and this is supposed to be the premier Canadian pool and snooker organization sanctioning events like this? No, it is not good enough, and no I am not going to fix it for them and do all their work, I already do plenty and have my own responsibilities I actually take care of and do a good job at. If they can not deal with their own then they should as I said quit and let someone move in who can do a far better job. Instead they will probably keep their slack ass posts doing a minimal amount of work and screw this sport over further in this country because it is claer they don't give a flying ****.

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Hey Celtic,

If I'm not mistaken the CBSA is made up of volunteers, not people employed by the CBSA. Meaning they don't receive pay. They have full time jobs, families, ect. So they are taking time out of their small windows of time each day to do what they can for pool in Canada.

Was all the planning done this year great, nope. But as pool players and lovers of the game we should try to think of ways to better our sport.

Its hard to blast people for their efforts if your not willing to do anything yourself. IMO

It really sucks it wasnt better planned in your area. I also would like to see the Canadians rotate around our country each year. But pool is not in the greatest shape right now. Its not like there is tons of cash to throw around promoting and hosting the Canadians.

The only way we get our info around here on tournies ect is from Shooterville...which by the way is run by volunteers.

DaveK
09-16-2008, 10:03 AM
The only way we get our info around here on tournies ect is from Shooterville...which by the way is run by volunteers.

This wouldn't work too well for me, heck there aren't even any pool halls in Saskatchewan listed at the site. There are a few Alberta halls (4 perhaps) listed, and even less BC halls (I think I found 1). There are also a few from Manitoba. Of course there are several hundred pool halls listed, the vast majority being in Ontario. It certainly seems to me that the focus of Shooterville is the province of Ontario.

Dave

srs314
09-16-2008, 12:33 PM
Dave,

Shooterville is available to any province to advertise their events or rooms on for free, qualifiers were advertised from other provinces this year.

Alberta sent us this and it was posted right away,
http://www.shooterville.com/tourdetails.asp?id=56

All someone has to do is send me the folowing info for a room.

Room Name, Address, City, Province, Postal Code, Phone Number. We will also link to a website and use their logo if it's sent.

For events we simply need,

Date, Tour associated with, Room Hosting and a poster if there is one.

Unfortunately I'm not as in tune with the rooms and the scene in other parts of Canada as I would like to be and I rely on things to be sent to me. It is on the room owner or tour opperator to seek out places to post their events. I would be happy to post events and news stories from other parts of Canada. This would increase my viewer base and help me get more payed product advertisors.

Of course I come across more from Ontario since I live and play here.

I am looking at setting up Shooterville so people may just post their events and rooms which may help.

Hope this explanation will change how you feel about my sites support,

DaveK
09-16-2008, 12:43 PM
...Unfortunately I'm not as in tune with the rooms and the scene in other parts of Canada as I would like to be and I rely on things to be sent to me. It is on the room owner or tour opperator to seek out places to post their events. I would be happy to post events and news stories from other parts of Canada. This would increase my viewer base and help me get more payed product advertisors.

Of course I come across more from Ontario since I live and play here.



Scott I hope I did not come across as disparraging your site, that was not my intent. I simply wanted to point out that Shooterville is not a good site (at present) for getting information about western events or rooms. Having said that, there is no good Internet site to get western Canadian pool information (although perhaps OTB covers the greater Vancouver area ??? ). Having lived in Toronto for 7 years and covering a territory that extended from the lakehead through Kinsgston and Ottawa, I appreciate the size difference between our regions as well.

I am however suprised that Al has not had his hall added to the list. I hear he was a big help working at Canadians a while back.

Dave

xxxbilliards
09-20-2008, 12:36 PM
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Hey Celtic,

If I'm not mistaken the CBSA is made up of volunteers, not people employed by the CBSA. Meaning they don't receive pay. They have full time jobs, families, ect. So they are taking time out of their small windows of time each day to do what they can for pool in Canada.

Was all the planning done this year great, nope. But as pool players and lovers of the game we should try to think of ways to better our sport.

Its hard to blast people for their efforts if your not willing to do anything yourself. IMO

It really sucks it wasnt better planned in your area. I also would like to see the Canadians rotate around our country each year. But pool is not in the greatest shape right now. Its not like there is tons of cash to throw around promoting and hosting the Canadians.

The only way we get our info around here on tournies ect is from Shooterville...which by the way is run by volunteers.
There are some people that would do a good job if the posting was available, like you said........work or move out so that someone else may step in and do a better volunteer job.....we all know that volunteer have perks in the buss. of pool or whatever other sport!!
The balance is where the difference is, to be open and more agresssive in pursuit of sponsorships, money, time, prizes, etc.etc.
Why not cater to the league players and make their contribution voluntary with the promise of a national championship where the pros will not be permitted, while holding events geared to the pros as well?
In any case we do need help if our national data base is to increase in strengh, help in all sort of shapes........not just sitting in the chair and holding tittle's.

taxi man
09-23-2008, 06:05 PM
The only tour ran with dignity and no bull was the canadian 9 ball tour. Jim Wych and company ran every event without any loss of money or any other shenanigans that has happend on every other tour including the 10k, 20k and 30k tour. And if there is another K tour in the future the people that actually go deserve everything that has previously happend to happen to them again. The only way to improve pool is to get rid of the people that infiltrate supporting the game but in fact try to find any loop hole to screw the players over.

xxxbilliards
09-24-2008, 08:41 AM
The only tour ran with dignity and no bull was the canadian 9 ball tour. Jim Wych and company ran every event without any loss of money or any other shenanigans that has happend on every other tour including the 10k, 20k and 30k tour. And if there is another K tour in the future the people that actually go deserve everything that has previously happend to happen to them again. The only way to improve pool is to get rid of the people that infiltrate supporting the game but in fact try to find any loop hole to screw the players over.
You think that the tour may be run again, some people say it may not......I wonder why not?
It was the best tour for Canada by far, so the question is?.......where are the other tour operators?
Any ideas Taxi man........I can see you driving the world for free and doing your best to survive at the same time while you pay for gas yourself......maybe not!!

taxi man
09-24-2008, 06:24 PM
:boring2: :boring2: I know when it comes to pool some people don't care about how it is run because they just want to play,but on the other hand some people do.That finals of the 30k should of had a 100+ people or more but not even close.People lost alot of faith and showed an abundance of patience only to be let down time and time again.Even the 404 tour ran very well with john white at shooters without the problems that the 30k tour had.You had a great thing going but like most people in the world we trade integrity for money.When you deal in any business including a pool tour your main priority is the clients or investers and in this case the pool players you are obligated keep in contact with them when a problem arises.That did not happen.Players were left in the dark with the expectations that the 30k finals would happen hopefully within this decade.The funny thing is that 30 thousand was not even added to the finals,but as usual,were only the clients ,I mean pool players.Of course you deserve to be paid in every event but the players have the right to know how much or at what percentage are you taking from the tour.But the numbers were so screwed up that not even a GPS could follow that paper trail.Even watching a magician for hours may be entertaining at the end of the day it was still just a trick .And thats what the k tour has been a trick to make people beleive one thing and shaft them in the end.And I agree it is not easy to run events but thats no excuse to run them improperly.I think with events run like that is the reason why pool has the reputation it does and is probably better not to have events at all just to save face or multiple of faces.I believe the industry you should try next is religion,because making people believe in your garbage year after year is an art,and that's were the real money is .I guess you can't tell god your a profit but I guess you can tell him you made some!:boring2:

xxxbilliards
09-24-2008, 07:47 PM
:boring2: :boring2: I know when it comes to pool some people don't care about how it is run because they just want to play,but on the other hand some people do.That finals of the 30k should of had a 100+ people or more but not even close.People lost alot of faith and showed an abundance of patience only to be let down time and time again.Even the 404 tour ran very well with john white at shooters without the problems that the 30k tour had.You had a great thing going but like most people in the world we trade integrity for money.When you deal in any business including a pool tour your main priority is the clients or investers and in this case the pool players you are obligated keep in contact with them when a problem arises.That did not happen.Players were left in the dark with the expectations that the 30k finals would happen hopefully within this decade.The funny thing is that 30 thousand was not even added to the finals,but as usual,were only the clients ,I mean pool players.Of course you deserve to be paid in every event but the players have the right to know how much or at what percentage are you taking from the tour.But the numbers were so screwed up that not even a GPS could follow that paper trail.Even watching a magician for hours may be entertaining at the end of the day it was still just a trick .And thats what the k tour has been a trick to make people beleive one thing and shaft them in the end.And I agree it is not easy to run events but thats no excuse to run them improperly.I think with events run like that is the reason why pool has the reputation it does and is probably better not to have events at all just to save face or multiple of faces.I believe the industry you should try next is religion,because making people believe in your garbage year after year is an art,and that's were the real money is .I guess you can't tell god your a profit but I guess you can tell him you made some!:boring2:
I wish you had stayed in school; your spelling may have gotten better
I know your kind, the one that just whines about mother's milk being to sour......at last your uninformed opinion is worth a whole lot.
If you only had some knowledge it would be understandable, but to try to educate an illiterate is beyond my grasp and I say sorry about that.
Have a nice day and leave God out of your words, He may get pissed at you

xxxbilliards
09-25-2008, 07:59 PM
The only tour ran with dignity and no bull was the canadian 9 ball tour. Jim Wych and company ran every event without any loss of money or any other shenanigans that has happend on every other tour including the 10k, 20k and 30k tour. And if there is another K tour in the future the people that actually go deserve everything that has previously happend to happen to them again. The only way to improve pool is to get rid of the people that infiltrate supporting the game but in fact try to find any loop hole to screw the players over.
I guess this will confirm the Canadian 9 Ball Tour status........from their website
http://www.canadian9balltour.com/

It does not matter what you do or how fine of a job is done, the end is always similar thanks to the negative people that just complain and not help really....just a shame and sad
My 2 cents worth, what is your oppinion now?

ballbanger
09-25-2008, 10:59 PM
ouch, that hurts

xxxbilliards
09-26-2008, 05:16 PM
ouch, that hurts
It sounds like a church....too quiet?
Where is all the constructive talk about improving the game? what about the tournaments? where are they?
Will the next person that cares step in? .....we're waiting for action!!
Please, say something.....even ouch!!!
Thanks, point taken.

taxi man
09-27-2008, 06:04 PM
You want to know where the action is,there is something wrong in your brain.I think you just want to get a reaction from anybody.You don''t deserve to know where the action is or deserve the proper knowledge how to run a event without screwing people over.People are quiet,so what!You think your some great promoter of the game but you are the only one who thinks so.People might not say anything because they''re just sick of the lies ,the fake medical crap and everthing else including the shortage of money!Like I said before some people just want to play pool so they don''t care about antics.If pool improves it might take some time,but if you truly want to see the game improve,you should remove yourself from the scene completely.Do you think that if a tour started people want you running it?Let''s hear honesty.You have drained the scene,what more do you want?If it''s money maybe the players can start a fund to give to you just to stay away from running events.You know deep down what you are in the pool world.Karma is a mother****er.Good luck oh wise one!

xxxbilliards
09-28-2008, 07:52 AM
You want to know where the action is,there is something wrong in your brain.I think you just want to get a reaction from anybody.You don''t deserve to know where the action is or deserve the proper knowledge how to run a event without screwing people over.People are quiet,so what!You think your some great promoter of the game but you are the only one who thinks so.People might not say anything because they''re just sick of the lies ,the fake medical crap and everthing else including the shortage of money!Like I said before some people just want to play pool so they don''t care about antics.If pool improves it might take some time,but if you truly want to see the game improve,you should remove yourself from the scene completely.Do you think that if a tour started people want you running it?Let''s hear honesty.You have drained the scene,what more do you want?If it''s money maybe the players can start a fund to give to you just to stay away from running events.You know deep down what you are in the pool world.Karma is a mother****er.Good luck oh wise one!
Time will tell, karma your ...

xxxbilliards
10-11-2008, 04:34 PM
By the way, I'm cruising South America (scoutting) local talent to see where there may be someone capable of coming North to battle as my invitee and see if we can measure some sticks
In the mean time if I find something I will share with you all, perhaps there is another Johnny or Erik, Jason, etc. down here.
Have a nice one again
I'm back from my cruise and sad to report there is no action at all.
Our players here have the upper hand vs. South America, the only real competitors are across the border for now.......looking at travel cost vs. distance. There are a couple of players but will never be able to come

sly
03-03-2009, 05:52 AM
since there is no world 9 ball championship the canadian 9 ball should have a good turnout,with no money being taken for "trips'' away from the purse.
it baffles me the canadians are held in a billiard club and there is no money added? at best leave all the entry fees in

xxxbilliards
03-03-2009, 07:42 AM
since there is no world 9 ball championship the canadian 9 ball should have a good turnout,with no money being taken for "trips'' away from the purse.
it baffles me the canadians are held in a billiard club and there is no money added? at best leave all the entry fees in

I second the motion, is a valid one
I'm with you in this one too!!
Lets see what happens later on

Have a good one........going fishing!!

srs314
03-04-2009, 01:09 AM
since there is no world 9 ball championship the canadian 9 ball should have a good turnout,with no money being taken for "trips'' away from the purse.
it baffles me the canadians are held in a billiard club and there is no money added? at best leave all the entry fees in

The worlds being canceled will make no difference for this years Canadians. The winners would be going to next years and last years winners would have gone to this years.

I do hope as everyone should there is a worlds next year, it's an important part of the game we love!

Seems the money is a concern you have. It is my understanding that you can contact the CBSA and ask for a financial statement if you like. This way you would be able to show that your statement about leaving the prize money in is factual, which I beleive it is not.

I'm not certain how the money is distributed for prizes but I will tell you there is no one that is part of the CBSA that is making money beyond covering expenses as it must be a non profit organization to be a governing body.

By the way there are sponsors, the room adds $10,000

Anyway I hope you will consider my comments. I'm trying not to come across as arguing just giving you another side to the story.

sly
03-04-2009, 06:02 AM
The worlds being canceled will make no difference for this years Canadians. The winners would be going to next years and last years winners would have gone to this years.

I do hope as everyone should there is a worlds next year, it's an important part of the game we love!

Seems the money is a concern you have. It is my understanding that you can contact the CBSA and ask for a financial statement if you like. This way you would be able to show that your statement about leaving the prize money in is factual, which I beleive it is not.

I'm not certain how the money is distributed for prizes but I will tell you there is no one that is part of the CBSA that is making money beyond covering expenses as it must be a non profit organization to be a governing body.

By the way there are sponsors, the room adds $10,000

Anyway I hope you will consider my comments. I'm trying not to come across as arguing just giving you another side to the story.

thats ok
money is not the concern, when theres 40 players at $400 thats 16thou thats what there should be , if you what to throw in 2 spots to the worlds, even better, is it that hard.
the cabsa should downsize i think they have alot of people for doing 1 tournament a year.those airfares add up year after year.

xxxbilliards
03-04-2009, 03:15 PM
thats ok
money is not the concern, when theres 40 players at $400 thats 16thou thats what there should be , if you what to throw in 2 spots to the worlds, even better, is it that hard.
the cabsa should downsize i think they have alot of people for doing 1 tournament a year.those airfares add up year after year.
So the money for this years airfare for the players are going to be given to them or cbsa keeps it?
I would like to know that for sure, next years is next year....now is now!!

Re:
Originally Posted by srs314
The worlds being canceled will make no difference for this years Canadians. The winners would be going to next years and last years winners would have gone to this years.

I do hope as everyone should there is a worlds next year, it's an important part of the game we love!

Seems the money is a concern you have. It is my understanding that you can contact the CBSA and ask for a financial statement if you like. This way you would be able to show that your statement about leaving the prize money in is factual, which I beleive it is not.

I'm not certain how the money is distributed for prizes but I will tell you there is no one that is part of the CBSA that is making money beyond covering expenses as it must be a non profit organization to be a governing body.

By the way there are sponsors, the room adds $10,000

Anyway I hope you will consider my comments. I'm trying not to come across as arguing just giving you another side to the story.
Just answsering for cbsa ??

thats ok
money is not the concern, when theres 40 players at $400 thats 16thou thats what there should be , if you what to throw in 2 spots to the worlds, even better, is it that hard.
the cabsa should downsize i think they have alot of people for doing 1 tournament a year.those airfares add up year after year.

xxxbilliards
03-04-2009, 03:16 PM
thats ok
money is not the concern, when theres 40 players at $400 thats 16thou thats what there should be , if you what to throw in 2 spots to the worlds, even better, is it that hard.
the cabsa should downsize i think they have alot of people for doing 1 tournament a year.those airfares add up year after year.
Besides the point, why do you take the reply instead of cbsa, are you part of cbsa now?

srs314
03-04-2009, 03:18 PM
thats ok
money is not the concern, when theres 40 players at $400 thats 16thou thats what there should be , if you what to throw in 2 spots to the worlds, even better, is it that hard.
the cabsa should downsize i think they have alot of people for doing 1 tournament a year.those airfares add up year after year.

I understand where you're coming from.\

The problem the CBSA has to deal with is the rules of the World Pool Association which governs all the countries. It is through a WPA that countries get allocated spots for many world events. Without that sanctioning with them no Canadians would have to opportunity to go to the those kind of events.

The WPA has rules like the governing body having to be non profit and they also say you must have representation from each province/state.

This event is what it is due to what is has to work under.

I think your feedback would be more in line with looking for someone to run a Canadian Open much like the US Open.

seether
03-04-2009, 05:29 PM
If thats the case the CBSA SUCKS.I think if billiards is goin to make it,It should lower its entrey fees and give out more to the players who earned it.

xxxbilliards
03-04-2009, 06:14 PM
If thats the case the CBSA SUCKS.I think if billiards is goin to make it,It should lower its entrey fees and give out more to the players who earned it.

Regarding this statement:[/B]
[B]By the way there are sponsors, the room adds $10,000

We all know that if a room adds any money that would be "promoted" to get more players, I have "NEVER" seen this done for the cbsa,
have any of you??
Maybe they can say who added the money last year too.....

srs314
03-04-2009, 08:44 PM
The deal is in the Canadian Pool forum here on AZBilliards I am the moderator.

I am not answering on behalf of the CBSA nor am I part of the CBSA. However I'm addressing concerns that are brought up here.

So if people want to bash them and talk about money issues you can simply contact them and request a financial statement. Without this it is unfair to comment on how it works. Only then can you make a fair comment based on facts and not opinion. You are actually fortunate to be able to request the financial statement becasue many tours will not show you how the money works.

Also if you would like to know if the players awarded World spots by the CBSA or the Canadian 9-Ball tour got money instead I would suggest you contact the CBSA, Jim Wych or the players themselves.

I think if these players did not get awarded the money instead we would hear them kicking and screaming about it so I'm going to assume everything was worked out properly.

srs314
03-04-2009, 08:48 PM
Regarding this statement:[/B]
[B]By the way there are sponsors, the room adds $10,000

We all know that if a room adds any money that would be "promoted" to get more players, I have "NEVER" seen this done for the cbsa,
have any of you??
Maybe they can say who added the money last year too.....

You can always contact John White at Shooters to see if he added money or not instead of just claiming it wasn't.

It's unfortunate that people come on here and vent based on assumptions and not facts.

I would rather have this discussion with all the facts in front of us about the money, it would save a lot of he says she says.

sly
03-05-2009, 08:20 AM
The deal is in the Canadian Pool forum here on AZBilliards I am the moderator.

I am not answering on behalf of the CBSA nor am I part of the CBSA. However I'm addressing concerns that are brought up here.

So if people want to bash them and talk about money issues you can simply contact them and request a financial statement. Without this it is unfair to comment on how it works. Only then can you make a fair comment based on facts and not opinion. You are actually fortunate to be able to request the financial statement becasue many tours will not show you how the money works.

Also if you would like to know if the players awarded World spots by the CBSA or the Canadian 9-Ball tour got money instead I would suggest you contact the CBSA, Jim Wych or the players themselves.

I think if these players did not get awarded the money instead we would hear them kicking and screaming about it so I'm going to assume everything was worked out properly.

spoke to martel and he told me he recieved $2300 back,don't seem like much i asked what he thought,he replied pool players have been getting screwed year after year, so he wasn't surprised

srs314
03-05-2009, 10:52 AM
spoke to martel and he told me he recieved $2300 back,don't seem like much i asked what he thought,he replied pool players have been getting screwed year after year, so he wasn't surprised

Trust me I love the players which is why I do Shooterville.com but they can't complain. CBSA members are making no profit.

There are costs associated with putting this event on, you are more than welcome to request a financial report and pick it appart where you feel they could save money and put it into the field. Make sure these are things you would cut if you ran it under the rules of the WPA.

Not everyone is willing to work for free and if you expect that these people make no money and pay their own travel and hotel to put a tournament like this on then the tournament would not exist. We would have no way to send players to the World Championships and many other tournaments.

Anyway if you have fair concerns or suggestions you should email them to the CBSA.

DelayedJuice
03-05-2009, 01:53 PM
I played in the Canadian 8 ball championships in 2008 in Toronto. I liked the pool hall and I think everything was run pretty well. I played very well and finished 5/6 next to Francis Crevier. I was beat out by the 2 champions, Felix Beardy and Alain Martel.

I won my spot in a qualifier in Red Deer Alberta ($475). I was sponsored for the qualifier and split a little prize money with my sponsor. After that I pursued sponsors so that I could actually get to the tournament to play. I managed to get my Hotel paid for by my reserve-Ermineskin Tribal Enterprises ($500). My boss was kind enough to sponsor me my flight ($800). To do all of this I got reference letters from my league authorities , and also made my own letters to formally ask for their help for me to represent Alberta at the Nationals.

I am 24 years old and I am a proud father of a 10 month old son. I work hard to support both my son and my wife.

Now if I (full time father/husband/employee) can find the time to seek out resources for sponsorship, and write up letters for help with expenses. I am pretty sure that most of you on here are capable of the same.

I don't mean to bash anybody on this thread. Its just my opinion on this matter.

Although I would be very upset with the prize money if i were a full time pool player. If i had to pay for that whole trip to play in only the 8 ball event it would have cost me $1775 without money to eat and take a cab to the event. I made $400 for 5th-6th place on the national stage.

But then again why would anybody want to play pool to make money?. I play pool because i grew up playing and i love it.

srs314
03-05-2009, 02:46 PM
Although I would be very upset with the prize money if i were a full time pool player. If i had to pay for that whole trip to play in only the 8 ball event it would have cost me $1775 without money to eat and take a cab to the event. I made $400 for 5th-6th place on the national stage.

But then again why would anybody want to play pool to make money?. I play pool because i grew up playing and i love it.

Well said and to compliment your take on it the Canadian Championship has never been an event that focused on large sums of prize money to the players. It's main objective is to act as the avenue to qualify for the World Championship and many other Major events.

If you are looking for an event that awards large sums of cash it will probably never be the Canadian Championships. Maybe someone will take the initiative to develop a Canadian Open one day.

I always tell people that tournaments are not all designed to be what they want them to be. Guys like Tyler Edey and Alain Montal will travel to the Canadian Championship becuase they are competing to get to the Worlds. This may not be your wish but that is who the event is designed for.

There is room for all kinds of events and people can decide which ones suit them. It is certainly up to you whether you play or not.

DelayedJuice
03-05-2009, 03:04 PM
I think if anybody wants to play the canadian championships it should be for the prestige of the event, not the money. I went because there was a chance to become a canadian champion and to play in the worlds...not to try and make a small fortune.

I am glad that the CBSA exists and that canada can have representatives in the worlds.

taxi man
03-07-2009, 05:02 PM
Just ask willy for the money,he's taken enough money from the 30k tour,that if they had a pool tour on mars and she had to go by space shuttle ,it wouldn't dent his pockets an inch.

xxxbilliards
03-07-2009, 08:03 PM
Just ask willy for the money,he's taken enough money from the 30k tour,that if they had a pool tour on mars and she had to go by space shuttle ,it wouldn't dent his pockets an inch.
Well..........maybe a 1/4 of an inch!!!!!!!
After all it is "Mars"!!!!!!

Gatz
03-07-2009, 09:54 PM
LOL Willie.......

xxxbilliards
03-08-2009, 09:33 AM
LOL Willie.......
Not willie, Willy is the name.......LOL

xxxbilliards
03-10-2009, 11:14 AM
Anybody needs a banker? If you have the power to win......I'll back you up.
Have all the means $$ to do so
It must be good to make money and end up in the blue, not red!!
Let me know