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Fliedout
04-03-2005, 06:46 AM
Are there special lenses that work for someone who ordinarily wears bifocals? I'm thinking maybe single-vision lenses calibrated for 1-9 feet, if such a thing exists. Also, is there a source for these sorts of glasses? Thanks.

chefjeff
04-03-2005, 07:17 AM
Are there special lenses that work for someone who ordinarily wears bifocals? I'm thinking maybe single-vision lenses calibrated for 1-9 feet, if such a thing exists. Also, is there a source for these sorts of glasses? Thanks.

You're right on about changing the depth of field to be about 1-12 feet or so. I've been experimenting with this for the last 6 years and some of my previous posts contain my results.

Ask your eye doctor about prescribing glasses for the pool table only, without bifocals. He'll probably think you're nuts, but so what? I kept after my doc and he finally sent me to another specialist for advice. You then can get the glasses anywhere you want.

Get some cheapo glasses first to be sure they are the correct script, as you may need to alter the correction somewhat to get the perfect vision for pool. Once you know, then go get a good pair.

I'd also suggest NOT going the mono-vision route (one eye close; one eye far).

Welcome to old age :(

Jeff Livingston

MrLucky
04-03-2005, 08:56 AM
Are there special lenses that work for someone who ordinarily wears bifocals? I'm thinking maybe single-vision lenses calibrated for 1-9 feet, if such a thing exists. Also, is there a source for these sorts of glasses? Thanks.


I have had to wear them for 4 years now and cant do the glasses thing it gives me headaches ecetera but I now use bi-focal contacts and see better with them than any of the glasses I tried ! :) I started with Accuvues and now use Bausch and lombs and see great ! :p

randyg
04-03-2005, 09:23 AM
Go to (www.poolschool.info) and click on "Shooting Glasses".

Follow the instructions for years of better play....SPF-randyg

Tbeaux
04-03-2005, 09:23 AM
I'm interested in any replies you get on this subject. I have always had an astigmatism and in recent years have had to deal with my vision changing with my diabetic sugar levels. My vision changes are dependant on how well I keep my sugar levels in line,but I always have a little blurriness.Any eye docs on this forum?

Terry

recoveryjones
04-03-2005, 09:33 AM
I read in some pool magazine (I think Inside Pool) about a pro who got normal contact lenses only to see his game fall apart.He then somehow found out about contact lenses specifically for pool table distances.According to the article he can now see and shoot better than ever.

If vision for a pool table can be optomized with specialty contact lenses,no doubt the same thing can be done with glasses.RJ

Quesports
04-03-2005, 09:51 AM
I have shooting glasses from DeCot out of Arizona. The best people to work with hands down. I believe Howard Vickery and also Nick Mannino use them as well. The lenses are designed around your prescription and are interchangeable. I would get the black matte frames they have less reflection than the gold frames.
Go to DeCot.com
Good Luck,
Dan

kokopuffs
04-03-2005, 09:53 AM
For diabetes to affect your vision, you'd better invest more effort, much more effort, in controlling the blood sugar. Otherwise, you know what will happen. And get some exercise; it'll lower both your blood sugar and insulin requirement by as much as 30%.

I'm a chiro who shoots insulin, too.

ceebee
04-03-2005, 10:12 AM
I have shooting glasses from DeCot out of Arizona. The best people to work with hands down. I believe Howard Vickery and also Nick Mannino use them as well. The lenses are designed around your prescription and are interchangeable. I would get the black matte frames they have less reflection than the gold frames.
Go to DeCot.com
Good Luck,
Dan

I have been playing with "optimized lenses for 10 feet", for over 4 years now. Since my eyes cannot tolerate smokey conditions & wearing contacts too, "optimized lenses" were my only solution.

One very important feature is "NON-GLARE", you have to add that feature or the table lights will bother you.

I purchased a semi-large lens frame. I modified the temples & nosepieces to allow the lens to be higher on my nose & the lens are on an angle. The modifications allow me to see through the lens, at the shot, with a normal view through the lens (that minimizes to zero, any refraction).

I will add another picture, in another post, to show the glasses up close.

kokopuffs
04-03-2005, 10:14 AM
I know someone in Denver who wears their glasses upside down; looks odd but works for him. And yes, the lenses were modified for THAT wearing-style.

OldHasBeen
04-03-2005, 10:28 AM
Are there special lenses that work for someone who ordinarily wears bifocals? I'm thinking maybe single-vision lenses calibrated for 1-9 feet, if such a thing exists. Also, is there a source for these sorts of glasses? Thanks.

I had the Shooters glasses and they worked OK - BUT -
I went to Sams Wholesale Club and got some Contact Lenses just for pool.
My regular glasses are Tri-Focals but they were able to zero in on 2 - 10 feet. It took 4 trial lenses but now I can see & play as good as ever.
I have found that the peripheral vision aspect of the contacts is VERY IMORTANT. - Total Cost=$65 and I have a years supply.

TY & GL

kokopuffs
04-03-2005, 10:30 AM
Tom Oldhasbeen, what brand of contacts do you wear?

ceebee
04-03-2005, 10:50 AM
[QUOTE=ceebee] I modified the temples & nosepieces to allow the lens to be higher on my nose & the lens are on an angle. The modifications allow me to see through the lens, at the shot, with a normal view through the lens (that minimizes to zero, any refraction).

chefjeff
04-03-2005, 11:14 AM
[QUOTE=ceebee]

One very important feature is "NON-GLARE", you have to add that feature or the table lights will bother you.

QUOTE]

Good point, ceebee....nice pictures, too....thanks. If you're leaning over the middle of the table, the light reflects off the INSIDE of the lenses, thus blocking the vision with the image of the lightbulbs. I got some of those rimless lenses and this seems to help a little, but they are pricey.

If you wear a hat with a bill, this reflection problem is reduced. Personally, I don't shoot pool with a hat as it distracts too much for my taste, thus my attempts with contacts. I've been back with glasses since my unsuccessful lasik surgery last Sept. I'm having a re-do surgery on May 9 even though the risks are much greater the second time.

The things we do for pool... :eek:

Jeff Livingston

OldHasBeen
04-03-2005, 11:23 AM
Tom Oldhasbeen, what brand of contacts do you wear?

I think they are Turec lenses as I have astigmatism. THEY WORK GREAT FOR ME. I think the key was to get a good optometrist (at Sams) that understood whet I needed and was willing to work with me. The first one that saw me there wasn't - so I just said I wasn't satisfied and wanted to see someone else.

TY & GL

kokopuffs
04-03-2005, 11:26 AM
There's nothing like finding a professional who can deliver the goods. Again I'm a chiro and people either love me or hate me.

almer
04-03-2005, 11:32 AM
I have been playing with "optimized lenses for 10 feet", for over 4 years now. Since my eyes cannot tolerate smokey conditions & wearing contacts too, "optimized lenses" were my only solution.

One very important feature is "NON-GLARE", you have to add that feature or the table lights will bother you.

I purchased a semi-large lens frame. I modified the temples & nosepieces to allow the lens to be higher on my nose & the lens are on an angle. The modifications allow me to see through the lens, at the shot, with a normal view through the lens (that minimizes to zero, any refraction).

I will add another picture, in another post, to show the glasses up close.
I have een trying for 18 months to get a proper prescription for my decots with not much sucess.I have reg lens.bifocal lens,trifocal,nothing works.I have tryed to explain the 2-10 feet prescription to my specialist but he doesnt seem to get it .How do they test you for the 2-10ft?I am in the vnea masters team playoffs yesterday 3 matches,today 4 matches,i just play without glasses and by the end my eyes are a lot worse than at hte start so im just playing with a handicap.

cscott67
04-03-2005, 11:35 AM
I am an eye doc, and contacts are definately the best method if you can tolerate them. (no glare issues) As far as the 1-9ft distance, the standard Rx may need to be modified for persons over 40, but gen. not for anyone younger. That is pretty much a distance Rx. The main problem with wearing glasses is the the optical centers of the lens stay in one place as you adjust your eyes to look at the ball depending on the distance it is from you. That is the reason why the height of the frame gen. gets adjusted by using different noes pads etc.. Also, when you are lined up to shoot, your head may be turned/centered differently as you lean over the shaft. These things ALL have to be accounted for when setting up the frame heights and lens centers. Glare can be controlled with a tint or coating, but a hat will truly help! ;o) I am sure with a little arm twisting and pocket lining you can get your doc to optimize your glasses for pool, but he or she will probably have to look at your mechanics and alignment issues on the tables to be exact, Scott

OldHasBeen
04-03-2005, 11:40 AM
I have een trying for 18 months to get a proper prescription for my decots with not much sucess.I have reg lens.bifocal lens,trifocal,nothing works.I have tryed to explain the 2-10 feet prescription to my specialist but he doesnt seem to get it .How do they test you for the 2-10ft?I am in the vnea masters team playoffs yesterday 3 matches,today 4 matches,i just play without glasses and by the end my eyes are a lot worse than at hte start so im just playing with a handicap.

After getting some trial lenses, we picked out some keys hanging on a cabinet that was 5 feet away as I was sitting in the chair. She would hold up different little round spectacle lenses over my eye with the contact lenses in it. When I thought it was the clearest, she would order new Trial lenses and we would do it over again. Finally, after 4 or 5 trials, we got it just right.

TY & GL

ceebee
04-03-2005, 11:52 AM
I have een trying for 18 months to get a proper prescription for my decots with not much sucess.I have reg lens.bifocal lens,trifocal,nothing works.I have tryed to explain the 2-10 feet prescription to my specialist but he doesnt seem to get it .How do they test you for the 2-10ft?I am in the vnea masters team playoffs yesterday 3 matches,today 4 matches,i just play without glasses and by the end my eyes are a lot worse than at hte start so im just playing with a handicap.

QUOTE >>>> 20/20 vision is a term used to express normal visual acuity (the clarity or sharpness of vision) measured at a distance of 20 feet. If you have 20/20 vision, you can see clearly at 20 feet what should normally be seen at that distance. If you have 20/100 vision, it means that you must be as close as 20 feet to see what a person with normal vision can see at 100 feet.
20/20 does not necessarily mean perfect vision. 20/20 vision only indicates the sharpness or clarity of vision at a distance. There are other important vision skills, including peripheral awareness or side vision, eye coordination, depth perception, focusing ability and color vision that contribute to your overall visual ability. UNQUOTE


I told my eye doctor my problem. I needed to see clear on a 9 foot pool table. He asked his nurse to bring the eye chart on the wall to a a place half the distance from it's normal location. He explained the 20-20 thing & proceeded to do his work.

Success the first time.

catscradle
04-04-2005, 04:14 AM
[QUOTE=ceebee]

One very important feature is "NON-GLARE", you have to add that feature or the table lights will bother you.

QUOTE]

Good point, ceebee....nice pictures, too....thanks. If you're leaning over the middle of the table, the light reflects off the INSIDE of the lenses, thus blocking the vision with the image of the lightbulbs. I got some of those rimless lenses and this seems to help a little, but they are pricey.

If you wear a hat with a bill, this reflection problem is reduced. Personally, I don't shoot pool with a hat as it distracts too much for my taste, thus my attempts with contacts. I've been back with glasses since my unsuccessful lasik surgery last Sept. I'm having a re-do surgery on May 9 even though the risks are much greater the second time.

The things we do for pool... :eek:

Jeff Livingston

Wouldn't getting an anti-reflective coating do the trick? I was thinking of getting that added to my glasses.

catscradle
04-04-2005, 04:22 AM
I am an eye doc, and contacts are definately the best method if you can tolerate them. (no glare issues) As far as the 1-9ft distance, the standard Rx may need to be modified for persons over 40, but gen. not for anyone younger. That is pretty much a distance Rx. The main problem with wearing glasses is the the optical centers of the lens stay in one place as you adjust your eyes to look at the ball depending on the distance it is from you. That is the reason why the height of the frame gen. gets adjusted by using different noes pads etc.. Also, when you are lined up to shoot, your head may be turned/centered differently as you lean over the shaft. These things ALL have to be accounted for when setting up the frame heights and lens centers. Glare can be controlled with a tint or coating, but a hat will truly help! ;o) I am sure with a little arm twisting and pocket lining you can get your doc to optimize your glasses for pool, but he or she will probably have to look at your mechanics and alignment issues on the tables to be exact, Scott

As a professional what is your opinion of the use of a yellow tint purportedly to increase "sharpness" and the use of an anti-reflective coating for obvious purposes?
I'm 59 and I basically shoot with single vision glasses (been wearing them 42 years). I have a bi-focal for when I need to keep score, but have it cut lower than is normal so it doesn't interfer with my shooting. Single vision seems to work just fine for me. I was overjoyed to find that for some people post 50 their eyesight gets BETTER!!!

JimS
04-04-2005, 04:37 AM
My eye Doc had me strike a shooting pose on a desk top, noticed the height and angle of my head and positioned the optical center where he thought it needed to be given my stance.

He wrote a prescription and I had DeCot make the glasses. I ordered the HY-Wyd adjustable frames and it all works fine. I can't read with them and wish I could have a pair of no-line bifocals that would be large enough to allow for my chin to be on the cue and me sighting shots out of the top of the frame without having the frame come into view and still be able to do other normal stuff while wearing them.

MrLucky
04-04-2005, 04:50 AM
I'm interested in any replies you get on this subject. I have always had an astigmatism and in recent years have had to deal with my vision changing with my diabetic sugar levels. My vision changes are dependant on how well I keep my sugar levels in line,but I always have a little blurriness.Any eye docs on this forum?

Terry

I have the same problem right after eating the balls are fuzzy ! so I have to eat early when in a match and I wait till I am done before eating again ! All day tournaments are a real problem with this! :(

MrLucky
04-04-2005, 04:55 AM
For diabetes to affect your vision, you'd better invest more effort, much more effort, in controlling the blood sugar. Otherwise, you know what will happen. And get some exercise; it'll lower both your blood sugar and insulin requirement by as much as 30%.

I'm a chiro who shoots insulin, too.


I am like beaux I do not have the need for shots my diabetes is in control and never progressed that far (type 2) but right after eating I used to miss balls by 1" or more until I realized the relationship and then I realized how much my eyes were being affected the balls would look like they had fuzz on them now I adjust my eating around my play times for league and see great!

chefjeff
04-04-2005, 06:49 AM
I have een trying for 18 months to get a proper prescription for my decots with not much sucess.I have reg lens.bifocal lens,trifocal,nothing works.I have tryed to explain the 2-10 feet prescription to my specialist but he doesnt seem to get it .How do they test you for the 2-10ft?.

I did the testing on my own using samples of the daily disposable contact lenses.

My doctor said to me: "Don't talk to me about seeing 2 - 14 feet...I don't know what that means." (!!!) So, I asked him if I could do some experimenting and he sent me to his contact department and the young lady there knew right away what I wanted (no letter behind her name....lol). She and I decided on several different levels of correction and she put a bunch of samples in a bag and off I went.

About 2 years later, I was still experimenting with the mono-vision thing. This is when the specialist that my doc sent me to said, "mono-vision wouldn't work for pool as it is impossible to aim at a distant ball accurately. You'd just be making up the spot," he said. He's a ping-pong guru and could relate to my pool playing quite well. Others here would disagree with that assessment, however, thus the following advice:

My advice, as a non-doctor, is to try a prescription that is about 1/2 of your normal. For example is your correction is -6, get a -3 contact. Keep the astigmatism correction the same, btw. See how it goes for a month or two. If you think it's not quite right, try something else close to it.

Oh yeah, make sure you can drive home at night. You might have to get a prescription for additional glasses for distance when you're still wearing contacts.

Whatever works,

Jeff Livingston

chefjeff
04-04-2005, 06:54 AM
Wouldn't getting an anti-reflective coating do the trick? I was thinking of getting that added to my glasses.

Not for me. It is not glare so much as it is a reflection from above. Glass or plastic will reflect light directly into your eyes sometimes, even if they have non-glare. That's the nature of the lens, I suppose.

When this happens and I'm aiming through reflected light, I just suck it up, concentrate well, and do my best.

Jeff Livingston

drivermaker
04-04-2005, 07:48 AM
I did the testing on my own using samples of the daily disposable contact lenses.

My advice, as a non-doctor, is to try a prescription that is about 1/2 of your normal. For example is your correction is -6, get a -3 contact. Keep the astigmatism correction the same, btw. See how it goes for a month or two. If you think it's not quite right, try something else close to it.
Jeff Livingston


My eye doctor did the same thing with me in the experimentation stage. I think 1/2 of the normal prescription is far too drastic, however I've also found that playing on a 9' table requires a slightly weaker prescription but only by about .5. I'm -4.25 in one eye and -4.50 in the other, and if I go up .5 in both eyes to -4.75 & -5.00 it'll allow me to see a road sign a little earlier with the stronger lens, but I can't play pool worth a damn unless they're weakened. The balls look further away, smaller, and have too much glare or shine with the stronger lens.

ceebee
04-04-2005, 08:07 AM
Not for me. It is not glare so much as it is a reflection from above. Glass or plastic will reflect light directly into your eyes sometimes, even if they have non-glare. That's the nature of the lens, I suppose.

When this happens and I'm aiming through reflected light, I just suck it up, concentrate well, and do my best.

Jeff Livingston

A NON-GLARE (anti-reflective) coating will NOT reflect very much light off the lens, that is the whole purpose of the coating.

chefjeff
04-04-2005, 11:07 AM
A NON-GLARE (anti-reflective) coating will NOT reflect very much light off the lens, that is the whole purpose of the coating.

I understand what you're saying , ceebee. Yet, I have non-glare and I still get problems with reflection of light. My thinking is that the light doesn't go through the lens and then into the eye (what reflective coatings reduce); it goes off the inside of the lens and into the eye (reflective coating may not help as much here, in my case anyway).

Now that bangs are coming into style again, they may keep this from happening. But boy my neck gets stiff when tossing my hair to the side all the time. :cool:

Jeff Livingston

Chicken_Blood
04-04-2005, 02:39 PM
Specs from pool school (www.poolschool.info) are a good idea if your prescription allows for larger lenses.
I cannot use them and contacts don't work for me (+5 and an astigmatism).
Also I have tried single vision and bifocals. Single vision seemed to work best except for the fact that I had a headache for the first ten minutes after I put them on (I normally wear bifocals).
Anyway, I went to an eye doctor that has worked with some famous sports types and got two sets of glasses, one single vision and one bifocal. The bifocals worked better than ever because of a special new super lite, super clear glass available from Hoya (Hoya makes high clarity camera lenses).

I now shoot exclusively with the bifocals and rarely use the other pair.

Jeffrey Gale
10-29-2005, 03:24 AM
I'm interested in any replies you get on this subject. I have always had an astigmatism and in recent years have had to deal with my vision changing with my diabetic sugar levels. My vision changes are dependant on how well I keep my sugar levels in line,but I always have a little blurriness.Any eye docs on this forum?

Terry
Terry I have the same problem and also have not found a solution either, I'm diabetic also type 2 no meds. just control the wieght. I have blurrieness also, I'm in the same boat. Let me know if you have more info on this ,ok.

Stretch
10-29-2005, 04:30 AM
Go to the dollar store and pick out a cheap pair from the display. They ususally have a variety of strengths there. Pick out an object on a shelf 8 or nine feet away and try on different glasses till u find the one that's best. Pay the buck and there u go. St :)

LWW
10-29-2005, 06:44 AM
(Hoya makes high clarity camera lenses)Actually optical quality filter lenses, which is probably even better because it's more closely related to eyeglasses...IOW Hoya filters are great for correcting flare, smog compression, and other issues which are ingherent in the designs of very wide angle and very telephoto lenses.

I didn't know they made eyeglass lenses but I would think they would be of extreme quality using their photography filters as a baseline.

LWW

rackmsuckr
10-30-2005, 10:16 PM
With Efren getting LASIK surgery, I wonder how he will be hitting the balls when he comes back? Every time I go to get contacts, I am so afraid they will crank me way out to see leaves on trees far away, but not be able to make a ball. This happened once at BCA Nationals. Everyone on my team was handing me their glasses to be able to see! That is why I have not had LASIK done yet (that and being a big baby!)

Right now, I have one contact in for close stuff, especially computers and reading, and one for far away. But, it seems I still need readers anyway. I can't even tell if a ball is frozen without them. I really hate having to wear the readers, as I love computers and reading too.

I am wondering - do I get contacts or LASIK adjusted so that I can see 1-10 feet or so, then wear readers for closeup work AND prescription glasses for distance/driving? Right now, it is such a dilemma and I have gone so long without 'crystal vision' while shooting pool, that I just aim the stick and make balls by memory. Scary thought, huh?

If I could be able to read and see the computer AND clearly see the balls on a pool table, then I would definitely have LASIK and just wear glasses for distance and driving. As it is now, at least I can see to drive and halfway see on the pool table using this close/far away contacts system.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Poolhalljunkie
10-31-2005, 01:52 AM
don't know of the difference in lenses but I know that they make billiard lenses which are about an 1/2 inch taller so you can use the glasses while shooting and don't have to adjust your eyes.http://www.globalsnookercentre.co.uk/files/Players/Global_Europe/Global_Austria/aut_garry_balter.htm I know that they look funny but they work according to a couple of guys I played with in Germany

rackmsuckr
10-31-2005, 02:20 PM
don't know of the difference in lenses but I know that they make billiard lenses which are about an 1/2 inch taller so you can use the glasses while shooting and don't have to adjust your eyes.http://www.globalsnookercentre.co.uk/files/Players/Global_Europe/Global_Austria/aut_garry_balter.htm I know that they look funny but they work according to a couple of guys I played with in Germany

I really don't want to wear glasses. Besides being vain, (lol) I have no bridge on my nose to hold them up and they slide down and then I always have to push them up and get indentations on the sides of my nose. Happens with readers too. Then I would have to wear a head strap and REALLY look geeky! I just don't know what to do. Reading through the other thread about Efren's LASIK, it looks like those that got adjusted to 20/20 or better do see the balls ok. Hmmmm.....

Sweet Marissa
10-31-2005, 02:29 PM
Right now, I have one contact in for close stuff, especially computers and reading, and one for far away. But, it seems I still need readers anyway. I can't even tell if a ball is frozen without them. I really hate having to wear the readers, as I love computers and reading too.

I am wondering - do I get contacts or LASIK adjusted so that I can see 1-10 feet or so, then wear readers for closeup work AND prescription glasses for distance/driving? Right now, it is such a dilemma and I have gone so long without 'crystal vision' while shooting pool, that I just aim the stick and make balls by memory. Scary thought, huh?

If I could be able to read and see the computer AND clearly see the balls on a pool table, then I would definitely have LASIK and just wear glasses for distance and driving. As it is now, at least I can see to drive and halfway see on the pool table using this close/far away contacts system.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Ask your optometrist about CK... My mother and I both had that done. (I also had LASIK.)

cubswin
10-31-2005, 03:08 PM
Looks like I'll be keeping these big ole glasses for awhile just for pool. Just brought a new pair that are nice, rimless, and small. Will be interested in how it effects (or is it affect?) my game when I get them.

I got anti glare coating mainly to help reduce the glare from computer screens since that is what I do for a living. Seems like lately I've had problems with depth perception while I'm playing and my script had changed a little.

2wld4u
10-31-2005, 03:10 PM
Specs from pool school (www.poolschool.info) are a good idea if your prescription allows for larger lenses.
I cannot use them and contacts don't work for me (+5 and an astigmatism).
Also I have tried single vision and bifocals. Single vision seemed to work best except for the fact that I had a headache for the first ten minutes after I put them on (I normally wear bifocals).
Anyway, I went to an eye doctor that has worked with some famous sports types and got two sets of glasses, one single vision and one bifocal. The bifocals worked better than ever because of a special new super lite, super clear glass available from Hoya (Hoya makes high clarity camera lenses).

I now shoot exclusively with the bifocals and rarely use the other pair.


My eye Doctor told me I had an astigmatism, He told me this after looking through a thing with a bunch of holes in it, looking through that I have perfect vision.... My perscription really isnt that strong, but I was told I would need "speacial" contacts, First can someone explain exactly what astigmatism is, and why I need those high dollar contacts.. Im really frustrated at the moment...


2wld4u

Sweet Marissa
10-31-2005, 03:19 PM
My eye Doctor told me I had an astigmatism, He told me this after looking through a thing with a bunch of holes in it, looking through that I have perfect vision.... My perscription really isnt that strong, but I was told I would need "speacial" contacts, First can someone explain exactly what astigmatism is, and why I need those high dollar contacts.. Im really frustrated at the moment...


2wld4u
Your corneas are shaped like an oval opposed to being spherical. Light ends up focusing on more than one point in the eye, causing your vision to blur.

The special contacts are called torics.

2wld4u
10-31-2005, 03:29 PM
Your corneas are shaped like an oval opposed to being spherical. Light ends up focusing on more than one point in the eye, causing your vision to blur.

The special contacts are called torics.

hmm, well, that explains alot.. Thanks......

I suppose I'll get the contacts, this has really been a pain for me, if the contacts doesnt help, is there anything else I could possibly do?

2wld4u

Sweet Marissa
10-31-2005, 03:40 PM
hmm, well, that explains alot.. Thanks......

I suppose I'll get the contacts, this has really been a pain for me, if the contacts doesnt help, is there anything else I could possibly do?

2wld4u
I would go ahead and have LASIK done. I was legally blind with astigmatism and I love being able to see without glasses or contacts! In the long run it will be worth it. Replacing those special contacts will be a pain in the bum.

Where in the country are you located? I have doctor friends in Georgia and Alabama who would give you a good deal on it.

2wld4u
10-31-2005, 04:44 PM
I would go ahead and have LASIK done. I was legally blind with astigmatism and I love being able to see without glasses or contacts! In the long run it will be worth it. Replacing those special contacts will be a pain in the bum.

Where in the country are you located? I have doctor friends in Georgia and Alabama who would give you a good deal on it.


Virginia...

I really, really, want to be rid of glasses and/or contacts... I just cant get confortable with it... What is LASIK? lazer, eye surgery I assume, but how can they make my eye round?

2wld4u

SlimShafty
10-31-2005, 05:05 PM
I can't get LASIK, I have large pupils:(

Waiting for future advancements, although I'm intrigued by "Orthokeratology" the contacts you wear at night that reshape the surface of the eyes, seems to be getting better and also safe and reversible.

Njhustler1
10-31-2005, 06:04 PM
I think you should stare at a candle until your eyelashes burn off like Shoeless Joe Jackson in Eight Men Out.

cscott67
10-31-2005, 06:51 PM
Mawissa, be careful pushing Lasik and other corrective surgeries so hard, you will make enemies and help ruin someone's vision if things don't go as planned........
(I am happy that yours went well)

Do your homework here on the net if you are considering any type of corrective surgery. There are pro's and con's, and unfortunately it does not always work out the way you wanted it too.

Someone asked about "shooting" lenses (yellow reduces glare and increases contrast), that's why a lot of boaters use them as well. As previously mentioned, a good glare/anti-reflective coating is a must. If any of you need help in the Chicago/Milwaukee area feel free to send me a PM, Scott

Sweet Marissa
10-31-2005, 07:14 PM
Virginia...

I really, really, want to be rid of glasses and/or contacts... I just cant get confortable with it... What is LASIK? lazer, eye surgery I assume, but how can they make my eye round?

2wld4u
You'd have to ask your doctor about that. I think the lasers "mold" the corneas but I'm not sure. Everyone is different, but your doc will be able to tell you if you're a candidate. If you decide to go with it, ask around and get referrals!

renard
10-31-2005, 07:48 PM
Mawissa, be careful pushing Lasik and other corrective surgeries so hard, you will make enemies and help ruin someone's vision if things don't go as planned........
(I am happy that yours went well)

Do your homework here on the net if you are considering any type of corrective surgery. There are pro's and con's, and unfortunately it does not always work out the way you wanted it too.

Someone asked about "shooting" lenses (yellow reduces glare and increases contrast), that's why a lot of boaters use them as well. As previously mentioned, a good glare/anti-reflective coating is a must. If any of you need help in the Chicago/Milwaukee area feel free to send me a PM, Scott

Of course with a yellow lens you have to be careful and not pull a Strickland. He mistakenly thought the one ball was the cueball. Ouch!!!

chefjeff
11-01-2005, 06:55 AM
Mawissa, be careful pushing Lasik and other corrective surgeries so hard, you will make enemies and help ruin someone's vision if things don't go as planned........
(I am happy that yours went well)

Do your homework here on the net if you are considering any type of corrective surgery. There are pro's and con's, and unfortunately it does not always work out the way you wanted it too.



tap tap tap

Five years spent farting around with contacts, etc. until my Opthamologist decided lasik was a viable option. Two surgeries and over $5K later and I'm still wearing glasses. And the cue stick still appears crooked.

:cool: Not cool.

There's an new procedure available in some places that actually places a lens in your eye. If your prescription changes, they can easily change the lens.

Ask around, ask around, ask around...you don't get too many chances with your eyes.

Jeff Livingston

Snapshot9
11-01-2005, 09:07 AM
My eye Doctor told me I had an astigmatism, He told me this after looking through a thing with a bunch of holes in it, looking through that I have perfect vision.... My perscription really isnt that strong, but I was told I would need "speacial" contacts, First can someone explain exactly what astigmatism is, and why I need those high dollar contacts.. Im really frustrated at the moment...


2wld4u

2wild4u ... It is the inability to see certain things at a certain angle,
or in your peripheal vision. Look straight ahead and without moving
your eyes, try to see something at about an 70-80 degree angle on
the side (it's like having blind spots at the sides at certain angles),
and you have to turn your head to see what's at the side clearly.
Now, with astigmatism at the back of your eye, you can correct
with soft contacts, but if you have it at the front and back of your
eyes (which I do), you have to wear hard or gas permeable lenses
to correct it. And my personal opinion regarding contacts, hard lenses
such as Polycon2's are smaller, more comfortable, and clearer than
soft lenses. Soft lenses's vision fluctuates too much with the environment
(air conditioning, heat, sun, smoke), and they require cleaning more
often because of it. That has been my experience. I have tried
experimental soft/hard lenses. I started wearing Polycon2's when
they were first an experimental lense. I also have damaged corneas.
Hope that helps.

A word of caution ... With RK and CK type procedures, if they don't come
out exactly right, they can do an additional procedure to correct, but with
Lasik, if it comes out wrong, you could be stuck with what you got, and it
could not be correctable because part of the cornea is gone.

Here in Wichita, we have Dr. Bruce Grene, who started RK, has taught
3-4000 eye doctors around the world, and offers CK, and Lasik procedures
also. His group is called The Grene Vision Group. He assisted the very first
RK procedure done when he was in Harvard Medical School, and became
the pioneer in the field.

2wld4u
11-01-2005, 06:10 PM
2wild4u ... It is the inability to see certain things at a certain angle,
or in your peripheal vision. Look straight ahead and without moving
your eyes, try to see something at about an 70-80 degree angle on
the side (it's like having blind spots at the sides at certain angles),
and you have to turn your head to see what's at the side clearly.
Now, with astigmatism at the back of your eye, you can correct
with soft contacts, but if you have it at the front and back of your
eyes (which I do), you have to wear hard or gas permeable lenses
to correct it. And my personal opinion regarding contacts, hard lenses
such as Polycon2's are smaller, more comfortable, and clearer than
soft lenses. Soft lenses's vision fluctuates too much with the environment
(air conditioning, heat, sun, smoke), and they require cleaning more
often because of it. That has been my experience. I have tried
experimental soft/hard lenses. I started wearing Polycon2's when
they were first an experimental lense. I also have damaged corneas.
Hope that helps.

A word of caution ... With RK and CK type procedures, if they don't come
out exactly right, they can do an additional procedure to correct, but with
Lasik, if it comes out wrong, you could be stuck with what you got, and it
could not be correctable because part of the cornea is gone.

Here in Wichita, we have Dr. Bruce Grene, who started RK, has taught
3-4000 eye doctors around the world, and offers CK, and Lasik procedures
also. His group is called The Grene Vision Group. He assisted the very first
RK procedure done when he was in Harvard Medical School, and became
the pioneer in the field.


Thanks, Thats why I was asking what the procedure envolved, I'll talk to my doc to see whats up, actualy Im in a sinking boat, if contacts doesnt do it, and if some quack messes up my vision for good, the end result will be the same... no more pool.. I might as well face the hard reality that I'll never be able to compete, not on a compeditive level...

I can live with eye glasses, even contacts, but ruining my vision or whats left of it ...... Im not sure I could justify the risk

and yes, my peripheal vision seems to be pretty bad, whitch I hadnt noticed to much untill you said something... I can see objects but cant make out what they are...

Dang shame to, after realizing I have a real eye site problem, If my eyes were good, I know my game would be up 75%.. I take pride in my accuracy, and its always been hard for me to "see" the shots, I worked really hard to get where Im at and now I know for sure that I rarely miss.. Im doing everything right, and I know sometimes some shots look "differnt" and thats when I useualy miss.. Plain and simple I lined up wrong...

Wow, this is a real rude awakening for me, I mean ive tried to fight it, with my heart and soul, shear intuition has kept me "in the game" I do appologize for rambling, please understand i have fought this battle for a long time...

i think I need to take some time to think about where Im headed...


2wld4u

chefjeff
11-02-2005, 07:07 AM
Thanks, Thats why I was asking what the procedure envolved, I'll talk to my doc to see whats up, actualy Im in a sinking boat, if contacts doesnt do it, and if some quack messes up my vision for good, the end result will be the same... no more pool.. I might as well face the hard reality that I'll never be able to compete, not on a compeditive level...

I can live with eye glasses, even contacts, but ruining my vision or whats left of it ...... Im not sure I could justify the risk

and yes, my peripheal vision seems to be pretty bad, whitch I hadnt noticed to much untill you said something... I can see objects but cant make out what they are...

Dang shame to, after realizing I have a real eye site problem, If my eyes were good, I know my game would be up 75%.. I take pride in my accuracy, and its always been hard for me to "see" the shots, I worked really hard to get where Im at and now I know for sure that I rarely miss.. Im doing everything right, and I know sometimes some shots look "differnt" and thats when I useualy miss.. Plain and simple I lined up wrong...

Wow, this is a real rude awakening for me, I mean ive tried to fight it, with my heart and soul, shear intuition has kept me "in the game" I do appologize for rambling, please understand i have fought this battle for a long time...

i think I need to take some time to think about where Im headed...


2wld4u

From what you've said so far, I'd say you're doing pretty good with your eyes despite the new changes you're experiencing.

What if you quit looking at this (pun intended) as a problem and started seeing it as just another exciting challenge in pool, another opportunity to use your mind to overcome nature's relentless fury?

Ask yourself, if this had happened when you were a youngster, wouldn't you have gotten used to it right away and lived your life almost normally, anyway? That can still be done pretty much at any age, can't it?

What if these new changes actually have you paying better attention to your pool, thus helping you overcome some other obstacle(s) in your game, and you get better instead of worse?

I ask, because this is what happened to me. I've been "forced" by my eye changes in the last 6 or 7 years to develop new aiming techniques, build a better stroke, increase my ability to know when I'm lined up whacky so I readjust, the patience to accept the misses and a improved procedure to help me overcome them on the next shot. I've added special stuff to my diet, starting using new eye drops, learned to blink better, etc., with each change positively affecting other areas of my life, too. :cool: I wouldn't have made these valuable adjustments if my eyes had stayed the same, and my overall game would have been worse, instead of getting better.

fwiw,

Jeff Livingston

2wld4u
11-02-2005, 10:40 AM
From what you've said so far, I'd say you're doing pretty good with your eyes despite the new changes you're experiencing.

What if you quit looking at this (pun intended) as a problem and started seeing it as just another exciting challenge in pool, another opportunity to use your mind to overcome nature's relentless fury?

Ask yourself, if this had happened when you were a youngster, wouldn't you have gotten used to it right away and lived your life almost normally, anyway? That can still be done pretty much at any age, can't it?

What if these new changes actually have you paying better attention to your pool, thus helping you overcome some other obstacle(s) in your game, and you get better instead of worse?

I ask, because this is what happened to me. I've been "forced" by my eye changes in the last 6 or 7 years to develop new aiming techniques, build a better stroke, increase my ability to know when I'm lined up whacky so I readjust, the patience to accept the misses and a improved procedure to help me overcome them on the next shot. I've added special stuff to my diet, starting using new eye drops, learned to blink better, etc., with each change positively affecting other areas of my life, too. :cool: I wouldn't have made these valuable adjustments if my eyes had stayed the same, and my overall game would have been worse, instead of getting better.

fwiw,

Jeff Livingston



Jeff, I dunno, I havent thought about it that way, To change my aim... that would be hard.. but Im willing to give anything a try.. I have acess to a 9 foot and I have several hours in the evening to practice..

My question, what kind of aiming system would bennifit an eye problem like mine? better yet, maybe I can develop a system with the help of others like myself... Im willing to try... I do need to understand this problem in great detail...

I know what is happening to me, but I never give it any credit, I never was aware that at some angles my eyes might percive the shot differnt.. Im going to practice this evening, and with the "awareness" I have now, I'll see what I can come up with..

The support from this forum is amazing, honestly I had quit, I had no idea others could relate to the problem I was facing... I felt like I was being punished.. My goals were seeingly crushed.. That may hold to be true, but because of the feedback I have recieved, I will not surrender, I will fight. I cant let others feel the way I have, I must push forward and put an end to this thing that nearly cost me any chance of being who I am...

you have sharpened my sword... I am eternaly greatful...


2wld4u

MrLucky
11-02-2005, 11:34 AM
Are there special lenses that work for someone who ordinarily wears bifocals? I'm thinking maybe single-vision lenses calibrated for 1-9 feet, if such a thing exists. Also, is there a source for these sorts of glasses? Thanks.

I tried several glass options now I use Bausch and loem multi focal contacts and am playing my best pool ever!

2wld4u
11-02-2005, 09:18 PM
I have an update, I did practice a lil tonight and tried a various number of aiming systems, No glasses and ran 3 racks, I think im on to something... I'll work with it more but I didnt miss.. I even went back to the practice table a couple times throughout this evening ( I played some golf) same result, everytime I tried to get out I did... playing 9-ball, I think I did run a couple racks of 8 ball but I didnt from the break so they dont count... I am excited! all that playing and I feel great! my eyes arent the least bit tired... I'll know more tommorow night...


2wld4u