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realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 04:48 PM
I guess just to show you flamers that I can work on tables other than Diamond, here's a little show for you, after-wards go home and take a look at your OWN table, if you even have one, and see if it compares to the craftsmanship put into this Brunswick Centennial. I can only work on DIAMOND tables:grin: what a load of BS!

Look, when you're first setting up slates on tables that have had multiple slate screw holes put in the frame from mounting the slates, the best advice I can give you, is don't use slate screws! Switch the slate to mount with 1/4 x 20 x 4 1/2" machine screws, all you have to do is drill out the frame of the table using the slate screw holes as a guide for a 1/4" drill bit, like pictured. Make sure to mount the machine screw with a 1/4" washer and nylock nut, then all you need to tighten the slate to the frame is a 1/4" wrench, much better than a drill.

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As you can see in the last 2 pictures, the frame extends past the slate pocket shelf, that's because the original slates have a slant back pocket cut in the pocket shelfs, but they're not made anymore, so you have to remove the extended wood from the pockets so they look right when finished.

realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 04:56 PM
In these pictures, I'm flat out showing you how I get the shirt collar look in the pockets, which hides the staples, and pocket flaps, and this information is free, so make sure you have it done on your table at home next time it's recovered...:grin:
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watchez
10-25-2008, 04:57 PM
The old reverse, fold over the staple line move - Genius :)

realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 04:59 PM
This bed cloth, like all the other bed cloth I install on Diamond tables, is also glued down, but only on the thickness of the sides of the slate, which on this slate is 1 1/8" thick, and it's stretched 2 1/2" from side to side, where's all those staple stretch shadow lines?

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In these pictures, you can see for yourselves how clean the pockets look, facts speak for themselves!

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realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 05:04 PM
I cut the corner pocket openings down to 4 9/16" sides 5 1/16", where's all those staple stretch shadows under the rails?
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realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 05:08 PM
This table was one heck of a project, but well worth it when it was finished, John Leitch now has another great Brunswick Centennial 9ft to play on in his house, but it's NOT a Diamond, so I don't know how I managed to get this table in the condition it's in, because I ONLY know how to work on Diamonds!!!:rolleyes:

Glen

Quesports
10-25-2008, 05:11 PM
Looks pretty dam tite to me! It is never bragging when you can walk the walk & talk the talk!! Go ahead tell them to do it better if they can!!!
Dan wishes he had a table for the king cobra to redo!!

ibuycues
10-25-2008, 05:12 PM
Nice job, Glen! Great trim on the pockets.

Will

student4ever
10-25-2008, 05:15 PM
Nice job. That table looks great!

Fatboy
10-25-2008, 05:24 PM
Get your multi-talented ass to Vegas man!!!!!:grin: :grin: :grin: :wink: :wink:

Nice work Mr. Glen, and oh yeah me and you got a 8ball game to play too!!! Hope your good man,

your buddy

fatboy

realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 05:27 PM
Get your multi-talented ass to Vegas man!!!!!:grin: :grin: :grin: :wink: :wink:

Nice work Mr. Glen, and oh yeah me and you got a 8ball game to play too!!! Hope your good man,

your buddy

fatboy
I knew this table would catch your attention fatboy, seeings how you have one identical to this one;)

Glen

PS. Have I told you lately how much I HATE recovering pool tables???...LMAO

Getnbzy
10-25-2008, 05:36 PM
Damn...the tables never looked that good at cascade...

Oh that's right...you had a partner.

Maybe they just had a little too much....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/getnbzy/334px-Grand_Marnier_Bottle.jpg

around them...

:eek:

Know what i mean vern....


As much as you tried glen you know that youyouyou can't make aaaa racehorse out of jajajackass.:killingme:


Excellent work Mr. H.:cool:

Dartman
10-25-2008, 05:42 PM
Nothing special here since it's top shelf work like every other table you do. :thumbup:

Next time center the table on the carpet. :bash:
:D

BTW - I gave Kristine your number for the Brunswick Arcade we discussed earlier.
If you happen to book that job let me know and I'll lend a hand.

realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 05:42 PM
Damn...the tables never looked that good at cascade...

Oh that's right...you had a partner.

Maybe they just had a little too much....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/getnbzy/334px-Grand_Marnier_Bottle.jpg

around them...

:eek:

Know what i mean vern....


As much as you tried glen you know that youyouyou can't make aaaa racehorse out of jajajackass.:killingme:


Excellent work Mr. H.:cool:
You're right, but you CAN make a jajajackass out of a racehorse...lmao

Glen

realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 05:47 PM
Nothing special here since it's top shelf work like every other table you do. :thumbup:

Next time center the table on the carpet. :bash:
:D

BTW - I gave Kristine your number for the Brunswick Arcade we discussed earlier.
If you happen to book that job let me know and I'll lend a hand.
Timing is everything, but if she calls, I'll let you know.

Glen

realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 05:48 PM
Damn...the tables never looked that good at cascade...

Oh that's right...you had a partner.

Maybe they just had a little too much....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/getnbzy/334px-Grand_Marnier_Bottle.jpg

around them...

:eek:

Know what i mean vern....


As much as you tried glen you know that youyouyou can't make aaaa racehorse out of jajajackass.:killingme:


Excellent work Mr. H.:cool:
Jason, you ever get a table yet?

Glen

Fatboy
10-25-2008, 06:13 PM
I knew this table would catch your attention fatboy, seeings how you have one identical to this one;)

Glen

PS. Have I told you lately how much I HATE recovering pool tables???...LMAO


lets just set mine up with no cloth and see how it plays,

realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 06:23 PM
lets just set mine up with no cloth and see how it plays,
Be careful what you ask for;) :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1:

Glen

illusivetrout
10-25-2008, 07:23 PM
Perfection to the max.You're a real craftsman RKC.

Bigkahuna
10-25-2008, 07:31 PM
Another fine job Glen! Thanks for posting...:thumbup:

BRKNRUN
10-25-2008, 07:52 PM
Nice work Glen

The Centennial with that chrome wrap is my favorite table...The one I had an opportunity to play on played great.

Some day when I have the money I need to get you out to my house to re-rail, recover and re-align/re-work my GCII

hackerda
10-25-2008, 07:59 PM
Someday I will be calling on you for your help setting up my new Diamond. Great job, Glen.

Take care,

Dean:D

Cuebuddy
10-25-2008, 08:33 PM
Stretched only 2.5 inchs? Are you getting old? I think mine was stretched to three if I remember right. :D P.S Nice pocket work there buddy.

Rick S.
10-25-2008, 09:04 PM
I went by and watched Glen in action for a little while yesterday....table looks GREAT.

I have never seen such a 'clean' job with the cloth. Perfect installation, Glen!!

The Centennial happens to be my favorite table of all time. Just something about that look...pure class, at it's finest. The aluminum trim around it is polished to a mirror finish. It just reaches out and grabs you!!

I'm eager to go hit some balls on it!!!!

Nice table...again, John!!

Ky Boy
10-25-2008, 09:40 PM
very nice work!!!

Gary

mullyman
10-25-2008, 09:47 PM
I'm sorry, who said you only know how to work on Diamond tables? In my opinion if you're so good with Diamond tables then you should be able to work on any brand of table. If you couldn't then you'd be pretty sad, in my opinion.
MULLY
and I've seen tons of photos of your work and am totally impressed

realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 09:53 PM
And for all you would-be-flamers, this is an Olhausen 9ft I reset the slates on, replaced the pocket facings so the pockets would play right, and recovered at the retirement center in AZ as well. So I guess this means I know how to work on Olhausen tables too.
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Being the critic that I am, it pisses me off that a table like the GC4 pictured above off to the right is sitting there with no cloth on the slates because the table when it was set up new in October 2003...should never have had the slates put on it that came with the table. Part of knowing your job as a mechanic is to know when somethings NOT right, as in the case of these slates. Another part of being an authorized Brunswick distributor is to listen to your customer when they complain that the table does not roll straight, and do something about it. These slates are so crowned side to side, AND end to end they had NO business even being on a pool table. But I want to thank Kimberly at Brunswick for sending a new set of replacement slates to the retirement center so I can correct the problem and finish putting the table together for the players that enjoy playing there when I return soon.

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As you can see, the slates are not even touching the frame of the table at any point, because it's supported completely on shims...and not even the leveling system Brunswick built into the frame to be used to level the slates.

Glen

realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 09:59 PM
Stretched only 2.5 inchs? Are you getting old? I think mine was stretched to three if I remember right. :D P.S Nice pocket work there buddy.
Yours was, but Simonis has changed their 860, so the new 860 has a 1/2" less stretch in it;)

Glen

perfectpocketz
10-25-2008, 10:17 PM
This bed cloth, like all the other bed cloth I install on Diamond tables, is also glued down, but only on the thickness of the sides of the slate, which on this slate is 1 1/8" thick, and it's stretched 2 1/2" from side to side, where's all those staple stretch shadow lines?

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In these pictures, you can see for yourselves how clean the pockets look, facts speak for themselves!

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Glen: You do excellent work on any table, what's the difference of the table make or name when you can do the kind of work you do. Table looks awesome, you love what you do, and it shows in the work.

I'm thinking of changing my pockets as well, I'm starting to really like that look.:D

That's enough for your ego from me. :wink: Nice Job Glen.
P.S. I like it because it's a BRUNSWICK, JUST KIDDING.

Your Friend
Mark Gregory

realkingcobra
10-25-2008, 10:23 PM
Glen: You do excellent work on any table, what's the difference of the table make or name when you can do the kind of work you do. Table looks awesome, you love what you do, and it shows in the work.

I'm thinking of changing my pockets as well, I'm starting to really like that look.:D

That's enough for your ego from me. :wink: Nice Job Glen.
P.S. I like it because it's a BRUNSWICK, JUST KIDDING.

Your Friend
Mark Gregory
Mark, it's not just a Brunswick..it's a "PRETTY" Brunswick;) I hope my pockets don't rub off on you to much, it might put you in my shadows, and you already have a bigger rep than I do:D :D

Your friend as well, Glen

poolhustler
10-26-2008, 01:25 AM
Glen,

Why do you keep stirring up the shit in the bottom of the barrel??

Just when it clears up you gotta jump in again!!

Do you like the contoversy???

Are you bored??

People not giving you enough pats on the back today??

Not enough "Attaboys" ???

Or have you not heard yourself tell everyone how GOOD you are lately??

Do you think that we forgot that you are God's gift to pool tables???

I don't recall anyone ever saying that you weren't a great table mechanic or that you could not work on other brand tables.

Like I said before, YES, you are very very good......... but for CHIRST SAKES.........stop telling everyone.

Like I tell my daughter........ "Don't tell me, show me".

I know that my words will be wasted on you because you have the deep rooted need to tell everyone how great you are.

Russ......

Da Bank
10-26-2008, 01:41 AM
might be the best looking pool table ever made in my opinion... at least from a pool enthusiasts perspective. Maybe not an interior designers dream, but what a classic piece.

Love it. Give me one in black with chrome trim.

scottp
10-26-2008, 04:22 AM
Glen,

Why do you keep stirring up the shit in the bottom of the barrel??

Just when it clears up you gotta jump in again!!

Do you like the contoversy???

Are you bored??

People not giving you enough pats on the back today??

Not enough "Attaboys" ???

Or have you not heard yourself tell everyone how GOOD you are lately??

Do you think that we forgot that you are God's gift to pool tables???

I don't recall anyone ever saying that you weren't a great table mechanic or that you could not work on other brand tables.

Like I said before, YES, you are very very good......... but for CHIRST SAKES.........stop telling everyone.

Like I tell my daughter........ "Don't tell me, show me".

I know that my words will be wasted on you because you have the deep rooted need to tell everyone how great you are.

Russ......


VERY WELL SAID.....threads like this are getting old (just my own personal opinion)

scott

AnitoKid
10-26-2008, 04:54 AM
great job! And i kid you not!

:)

realkingcobra
10-26-2008, 07:16 AM
Glen,

Why do you keep stirring up the shit in the bottom of the barrel??

Just when it clears up you gotta jump in again!!

Do you like the contoversy???

Are you bored??

People not giving you enough pats on the back today??

Not enough "Attaboys" ???

Or have you not heard yourself tell everyone how GOOD you are lately??

Do you think that we forgot that you are God's gift to pool tables???

I don't recall anyone ever saying that you weren't a great table mechanic or that you could not work on other brand tables.

Like I said before, YES, you are very very good......... but for CHIRST SAKES.........stop telling everyone.

Like I tell my daughter........ "Don't tell me, show me".

I know that my words will be wasted on you because you have the deep rooted need to tell everyone how great you are.

Russ......
Russ, I start posts like this one because it bothers you, and people like you!!! But the real reason is more like, because it makes more people aware of what the work on THEIR own pool tables could be like, if they like what they see here, maybe it'll make them want the same kind of work done to their own pool table at home, and therefore insist on someone knowing what they're doing when it comes to performing that work, instead of just going out and hiring a hack to get the job done!!! My posts also show OTHER mechanics what kind of work they COULD be doing as well, and therefore MAYBE inspire them to step up their quality of work and bring it to a new level, for the good of the mechanics out here.

So, in other words, I don't give a damn what YOU, or anyone like you think, feel, or say;) others DO care!:eek:

It raises the bar for all mechanics, when a home owner tells a mechanic...."I want my table, and pockets to look like the ones pictured here!!!!"...have a great day Russ. If my postings bother anyone on AZ, I'm glad its YOU....LMAO

Glen

realkingcobra
10-26-2008, 07:38 AM
VERY WELL SAID.....threads like this are getting old (just my own personal opinion)

scott
Scott, aren't you suppose to be a mechanic? What have YOU done lately to improve the mechanics industry, have you shown someone else that works on pool tables how to improve the work in their trade? If my posts are getting old to you, here's some advice....don't read them, the same goes for Russ!;) but at the same time, don't learn from what you don't like reading either!

Glen

realkingcobra
10-26-2008, 07:45 AM
Like I tell my daughter........ "Don't tell me, show me".

Russ, are you just slow or what?...Didn't I just "SHOW" you!!!;)

Glen, the Realkingcobra!

Have a great day Russ, looking forward to your continued responses!

nympfisher
10-26-2008, 08:10 AM
this reminds me of our 2 famous cue makers that advertise here.

carl

realkingcobra
10-26-2008, 08:26 AM
this reminds me of our 2 famous cue makers that advertise here.

carl
hmmm...so, you think I'm looking for, or need extra business?...because if you do, you've learned nothing about what I do, therefore making it easy to compare myself to others. You mentioned "2" in your statement as if I were arguing with some other mechanic, so WHO would that "other" person be I ask you?...or are you just another sheep, which blinds you to see just exactly what it IS that I am doing posting here:p

"Awareness", look it up...it's one of the key ingredients to create "Change" in something, in which "MY" industry "NEEDS"

So, what is it that YOU do for a living? Don't like my posts, don't read them!

Glen

realkingcobra
10-26-2008, 08:35 AM
The old reverse, fold over the staple line move - Genius :)
And to think, I gave away one of my secrets for free, that others might benefit from it at no charge, I'm such a capitalist, only looking out for myself:D :D

Glen

Dartman
10-26-2008, 09:02 AM
hmmm...so, you think I'm looking for, or need extra business?...because if you do, you've learned nothing about what I do, therefore making it easy to compare myself to others. You mentioned "2" in your statement as if I were arguing with some other mechanic, so WHO would that "other" person be I ask you?...or are you just another sheep, which blinds you to see just exactly what it IS that I am doing posting here:p

"Awareness", look it up...it's one of the key ingredients to create "Change" in something, in which "MY" industry "NEEDS"

So, what is it that YOU do for a living? Don't like my posts, don't read them!

Glen

I think it's a lock that more work is the last thing on your mind.
Just dismiss the peanut gallery that only bounce around the forum and post dribble for lack of anything better to do.

When you post pictures of your projects it does two things -
1. It educates other mechanics in the trade - whether they choose to implement some of the techniques or emulate your work ethic is their call.
2. It educates table owners. How often do we see posts asking "what should I look for when my table is installed"?

Some of the most knowledgeable folks in the billiards industry take the time to share their expertise on AZ but your always going to have the handful of negative dickweeds whose posts are laughable.

nympfisher
10-26-2008, 10:28 AM
my reference was toward the arguments that seem to pop up whenever they would post on something they have done or invented , some like it others would bit*h no matter if it was a good idea or not .
just an observation from someone who reads and dosent post alot.

oh and i and a used trashcan salesman , i have no competition.:thumbup:


carl

realkingcobra
10-26-2008, 10:51 AM
Glen,

Why do you keep stirring up the shit in the bottom of the barrel??

Like I tell my daughter........ "Don't tell me, show me".
I wasn't going to say any more to you Russ, but your post begs me to do so. Let me tell you something buddy, if there isn't more people out here like myself, then there's no hope for my industry getting any better. Over the years, pool table manufactures have gotten better, cloth manufactures have gotten better, cue makers have gotten better, cue tips are better, EVERY THING'S better in the billiards industry...EXCEPT the mechanic's trade!!!! And do YOU know WHO I blame????...The billiards industry!!! ALL the table and cloth manufactures have been so busy promoting "OUR" product is the "Best" that they've forgotten the fact that the "LAST" person to touch "THEIR PRODUCT" is a mechanic for the most part! THIS GC4 WAS set up by a Brunswick Certified mechanic, THEN recovered 2 1/2 years later by "ANOTHER" mechanic, and yet...nothing was done to correct the original problem in the first place, the slates were BAD! I'm not saying this is a black eye for Brunswick, hell it's happened to Diamond as well as Olhausen at different times, my COMPLAINT...is that it was PASSED OVER, maybe because the table was sold for $7,200 to a retirement center, and they're nothing but OLD people, but...I don't give a damn, it was wrong then, and it was wrong the second time the table was worked on, and I would be no better if I passed on it as well. But you know what Russ....I'm NOT passing, that's NOT my job, my job is to FIX the problem, and NOT hide it under the carpet as you'd like to wish!! I DID call Brunswick to inform them of the problem, and Kimberly was very representative of Brunswick, and they've sent a new slate to replace this one, I give 5 stars to Brunswick for standing behind their product, but give an F- for the distributorship that represented Brunswick so badly, and I'm not going to stop bringing attention to the problems in my industry just to please YOU, or anyone LIKE you! As I've said before, if you don't like what I post, don't read it, as you DO have that choice, and that's a better choice than the retirement center had, when for the last 5 years their complaints fell on deaf ears, even after sending letters of complaints to the original seller of the GC4.

You can stick this crowned from side to side and end to end slate where the sun don't shine Russ as far as I'm concerned about YOUR opinion about what I post. I can only wonder how you'd have felt had this slate been installed on YOUR pool table!!!

Glen

PoolTable911
10-26-2008, 11:33 AM
As I've said before, if you don't like what I post, don't read it, as you DO have that choice

Glen

I have to agree. If you don't like what Glen has to say. Then don't read it. There are others on the forums who I don't care for what they have to say so I don't click the mouse. Simple as that.

playonepocket
10-26-2008, 11:56 AM
My posts also show OTHER mechanics what kind of work they COULD be doing as well, and therefore MAYBE inspire them to step up their quality of work and bring it to a new level, for the good of the mechanics out here.

Consider me one of the inspired.

:thumbup:

I appreciate the sharing of secrets.

I'll just take all yours and keep my own to myself.

:D

jasonlaus
10-26-2008, 12:02 PM
SO EASY A CAVEMAN COULD DO IT. J/K:D Keep up the great work. When the day finally arrives there will only be one person to work on my table, and that is RKC.

poolhustler
10-26-2008, 12:04 PM
Glen,

I understand what you are trying to do, but why not just post pics of your work and a description of your work, WITHOUT the obvious attempt to stir up shit???

You are a smart guy, I think that you fully understand what you are doing by posting the way you do and you like the resulting arguments and controversy that they bring.

Have agreat day Glen, you little antagonist!! :)

Russ.....

Bigtruck
10-26-2008, 01:40 PM
Glen,

Some people don't have a clue. They did exactly what Mom & Dad said, they followed the rules of the administration in school, they did 4 yrs of College and a couple of years getting a masters. Went to work as a yes man and have kissed back sides every since.

It works for some and it's the best route for them. If they ever lost their job, we would be reading about them in the paper. " Exec loses job, kills family and self". Sad.

If I had to choose between your way and the above, I'll take your way.

Keep it going Buddy! You are changing pool from the inside out.

Ray

Bigtruck
10-26-2008, 02:03 PM
SO EASY A CAVEMAN COULD DO IT.

Oh, you've met Glen! Lol

Ray

realkingcobra
10-26-2008, 02:10 PM
Glen,

I understand what you are trying to do, but why not just post pics of your work and a description of your work, WITHOUT the obvious attempt to stir up shit???

You are a smart guy, I think that you fully understand what you are doing by posting the way you do and you like the resulting arguments and controversy that they bring.

Have agreat day Glen, you little antagonist!! :)

Russ.....
SOMETIMES...being a little ANTAGONIST, though I'm not that small:eek:
...is the only way to bring about change:grin: and Russ...I take it back, I'd work on your CG as well as any one else's:wink:

I'm having a great day, thank you, Glen:cool:

Dartman
10-26-2008, 03:01 PM
... I'm having a great day, thank you, Glen:cool:
Except for being hostage to waiting for Monday, lol.

Eh, my team plays Mon night so having nothing better to do at the moment I counted
23 different posters in this thread - of which 3 have a "problem".
Draw your own conclusions.

poolhustler
10-26-2008, 03:15 PM
Glen,

Some people don't have a clue. They did exactly what Mom & Dad said, they followed the rules of the administration in school, they did 4 yrs of College and a couple of years getting a masters. Went to work as a yes man and have kissed back sides every since.

It works for some and it's the best route for them. If they ever lost their job, we would be reading about them in the paper. " Exec loses job, kills family and self". Sad.

If I had to choose between your way and the above, I'll take your way.

Keep it going Buddy! You are changing pool from the inside out.

Ray

Ray,

Are you referencing me?? Because if you are, you are WAY off base and you don't have a clue!!

Russ..

poolhustler
10-26-2008, 03:20 PM
SOMETIMES...being a little ANTAGONIST, though I'm not that small:eek:
...is the only way to bring about change:grin: and Russ...I take it back, I'd work on your CG as well as any one else's:wink:

I'm having a great day, thank you, Glen:cool:

No problem Glen. I'm 100% sure that you would do a fantastic job on my table as well as anyone else's.

Lata,

Russ...

Bigtruck
10-26-2008, 03:39 PM
Ray,

Are you referencing me?? Because if you are, you are WAY off base and you don't have a clue!!

Russ..

No Russ when I reference someone I always use the quote button.

You are flaming a little though. Sit back and enjoy Glen's work. At least he is making to effort to spread the knowledge. Name another Table Guru that ever did that. None.

Have a great day!

Ray

scottp
10-26-2008, 04:21 PM
Scott, aren't you suppose to be a mechanic? What have YOU done lately to improve the mechanics industry, have you shown someone else that works on pool tables how to improve the work in their trade? If my posts are getting old to you, here's some advice....don't read them, the same goes for Russ!;) but at the same time, don't learn from what you don't like reading either!

Glen

if you recall i told you a long time ago that i QUIT working on tables
but i still have lots of knowledge of the subject.
but it seems if anyone comes on here and does anything,(IE: otlb,mrpenguin) you feel the need to run them off.
i even bought some rails from mr penguin a few years ago before i started buiding my own.

so i will leave also because i really dont need to here your shit
you really need to get a life other than on here......
good day to you.:grin:
scott

poolhustler
10-26-2008, 05:27 PM
No Russ when I reference someone I always use the quote button.

You are flaming a little though. Sit back and enjoy Glen's work. At least he is making to effort to spread the knowledge. Name another Table Guru that ever did that. None.

Have a great day!

Ray

10-4 Good Buddy.........:thumbup2:

Bigtruck
10-26-2008, 05:47 PM
if you recall i told you a long time ago that i QUIT working on tables
but i still have lots of knowledge of the subject.
but it seems if anyone comes on here and does anything,(IE: otlb,mrpenguin) you feel the need to run them off.
i even bought some rails from mr penguin a few years ago before i started buiding my own.

so i will leave also because i really dont need to here your shit
you really need to get a life other than on here......
good day to you.:grin:
scott

If you do crappy work or deceive your customers, Glen WILL run you off. That's what we love about him. He looks out for our best interest before his own.

Ray

realkingcobra
10-26-2008, 05:48 PM
if you recall i told you a long time ago that i QUIT working on tables
but i still have lots of knowledge of the subject.
but it seems if anyone comes on here and does anything,(IE: otlb,mrpenguin) you feel the need to run them off.
i even bought some rails from mr penguin a few years ago before i started buiding my own.

so i will leave also because i really dont need to here your shit
you really need to get a life other than on here......
good day to you.:grin:
scott
Funny...I don't recall asking you to post to my thread Scott, and as I've said in the past, no one can choose to be a mechanic, the job will decide who stays and who goes...so I guess you made it clear as to which side of the fence you stand on! Good day to you too Scott;)

Glen

Bigtruck
10-26-2008, 05:54 PM
10-4 Good Buddy.........:thumbup2:

Don't take this the wrong way because I didn't, but around truckers if you call someone a "good buddy" it's calling them a Fag. FYI.

I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant.

Ray

realkingcobra
10-26-2008, 06:10 PM
[QUOTE=scottp]you really need to get a life other than on here..../QUOTE]
I've been a billiards mechanic for half my life, and I should find something else to do...because YOU say so?

Let me tell you something Scott about having a life OK. I've lived in Europe (Germany 6 years) & (Italy 1 year) Served in the Army during Viet Nam, that little job was for 9 years 2 months and 13 days!!! I have 6 kids, 4 girls & 2 boys, owned my own business for the last 25 years, and today...travel all over the USA on a daily basis, and if Diamond completes the sale of 9ft ProAms to the Italians, will be going back to Italy for a while next year. I've built my own line of King Cobra coin-operated pool tables as well.

Now, why don't YOU tell me about what it is to live life! I'm doing what makes me happy!

How old are you Scott, and can you say you've lived the life I have?

Glen

ironman
10-26-2008, 06:33 PM
I wasn't going to say any more to you Russ, but your post begs me to do so. Let me tell you something buddy, if there isn't more people out here like myself, then there's no hope for my industry getting any better. Over the years, pool table manufactures have gotten better, cloth manufactures have gotten better, cue makers have gotten better, cue tips are better, EVERY THING'S better in the billiards industry...EXCEPT the mechanic's trade!!!! And do YOU know WHO I blame????...The billiards industry!!! ALL the table and cloth manufactures have been so busy promoting "OUR" product is the "Best" that they've forgotten the fact that the "LAST" person to touch "THEIR PRODUCT" is a mechanic for the most part! THIS GC4 WAS set up by a Brunswick Certified mechanic, THEN recovered 2 1/2 years later by "ANOTHER" mechanic, and yet...nothing was done to correct the original problem in the first place, the slates were BAD! I'm not saying this is a black eye for Brunswick, hell it's happened to Diamond as well as Olhausen at different times, my COMPLAINT...is that it was PASSED OVER, maybe because the table was sold for $7,200 to a retirement center, and they're nothing but OLD people, but...I don't give a damn, it was wrong then, and it was wrong the second time the table was worked on, and I would be no better if I passed on it as well. But you know what Russ....I'm NOT passing, that's NOT my job, my job is to FIX the problem, and NOT hide it under the carpet as you'd like to wish!! I DID call Brunswick to inform them of the problem, and Kimberly was very representative of Brunswick, and they've sent a new slate to replace this one, I give 5 stars to Brunswick for standing behind their product, but give an F- for the distributorship that represented Brunswick so badly, and I'm not going to stop bringing attention to the problems in my industry just to please YOU, or anyone LIKE you! As I've said before, if you don't like what I post, don't read it, as you DO have that choice, and that's a better choice than the retirement center had, when for the last 5 years their complaints fell on deaf ears, even after sending letters of complaints to the original seller of the GC4.

You can stick this crowned from side to side and end to end slate where the sun don't shine Russ as far as I'm concerned about YOUR opinion about what I post. I can only wonder how you'd have felt had this slate been installed on YOUR pool table!!!

Glen

The machanics around here should be shot and driven out of town. In the town of San Antonio with 1.7 million people, there si not one decent table in the whole city.

A guy owns AAA billiard Supply named Louis and does most of the work around here and is absolutely the worst I've seen in 40 years. {Yes I hope he reads this or gets tole as he can't hear it enough.} I dtest people who take no pride in their work.

tucson9ball
10-26-2008, 08:10 PM
I'm sorry I missed your trip through Tucson. I heard ya worked on one of my friends tables, putting new cloth on it. He, George, says you did a fantastic job.
Last time I spoke to Brian at Diamond Billiards, he said when ya came through you would show me how to use a high speed polisher to bring back that "like new shine" to my Diamond Pro. Send me a PM next time ya will be traveling through and maybe we can get together or you can just tell me how to do it myself.
By the way, my table is playing great and everyone that has played on it has nothing but good things to say.:thumbup:

poolhustler
10-26-2008, 09:36 PM
Don't take this the wrong way because I didn't, but around truckers if you call someone a "good buddy" it's calling them a Fag. FYI.

I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant.

Ray

Wow !!! And I thought a fag was a cigarette!!!

You guessed right, I'm not a truck driver and don't hang around any.

I take back the "good buddy" comment and will try to never use it again.

Thanks for the heads up!

Oh shit....... Does "heads up' mean anything??

If it does, I take that back also....:rolleyes:

realkingcobra
10-27-2008, 08:37 AM
I'm sorry I missed your trip through Tucson. I heard ya worked on one of my friends tables, putting new cloth on it. He, George, says you did a fantastic job.
Last time I spoke to Brian at Diamond Billiards, he said when ya came through you would show me how to use a high speed polisher to bring back that "like new shine" to my Diamond Pro. Send me a PM next time ya will be traveling through and maybe we can get together or you can just tell me how to do it myself.
By the way, my table is playing great and everyone that has played on it has nothing but good things to say.:thumbup:
I'll be back in the Tucson area again in about 3 weeks or so to finish up the GC4 at the retirement center, I'll show you how to do that when I come back through:D

Glen

Rick S.
10-27-2008, 09:06 AM
Last time I spoke to Brian at Diamond Billiards, he said when ya came through you would show me how to use a high speed polisher to bring back that "like new shine" to my Diamond Pro. Send me a PM next time ya will be traveling through and maybe we can get together or you can just tell me how to do it myself.


I can tell you how to do it, and have FUN doing it.

First off, you go to the store and buy 3 bottles of wine. Then you hit the jacuzzi for an hr or so, then finish off the wine. Then have the Wife go get dressed...into a long wool skirt.

Then..............

tksix
10-27-2008, 12:34 PM
Looks like top quality work to me. I love how clean the pockets look.

I have had 4 mechanics in my home in 9 years and it has been painful to say the least. The last person to do my GC II did a very nice job and I am happy with his work. It has been almost 1 year and some minor issues have popped up.

Glen I have a couple of questions:

Do you get to the chicago area?
Do you work on 6 x 12 snooker tables?

PM me if you can!

Thanks,

Mike

realkingcobra
10-27-2008, 12:39 PM
Looks like top quality work to me. I love how clean the pockets look.

I have had 4 mechanics in my home in 9 years and it has been painful to say the least. The last person to do my GC II did a very nice job and I am happy with his work. It has been almost 1 year and some minor issues have popped up.

Glen I have a couple of questions:

Do you get to the chicago area?
Do you work on 6 x 12 snooker tables?

PM me if you can!

Thanks,

Mike

To answer your questions, yes and yes, what else?

Glen

tksix
10-27-2008, 01:15 PM
Currently releveling is all that is needed. The cloth on both is a little over a year old.

If you have other work in the area and need some filler................please let me know.

Mike

Puttnutt24
10-27-2008, 08:25 PM
Glen,
Please tell us guy's on the west coast we'll see you before you see another sunset in Arizona! Maybe? Rich

PoolTable911
10-27-2008, 08:35 PM
Glen,
Please tell us guy's on the west coast we'll see you before you see another sunset in Arizona! Maybe? Rich
He has a date in Jersey first!

Fatboy
10-27-2008, 09:17 PM
The machanics around here should be shot and driven out of town. In the town of San Antonio with 1.7 million people, there si not one decent table in the whole city.

A guy owns AAA billiard Supply named Louis and does most of the work around here and is absolutely the worst I've seen in 40 years. {Yes I hope he reads this or gets tole as he can't hear it enough.} I dtest people who take no pride in their work.


is he from Vegas??? my biz partner blows 10 dimes on some B-wick box its a 9' table and you cant hit 3 cushions back and forth going the long way-and yes it had 860 on it, how bad is that??? you get about 2.5 at the most, it is 100% unplayable-even if you dont play.

realkingcobra
10-27-2008, 09:36 PM
Glen,
Please tell us guy's on the west coast we'll see you before you see another sunset in Arizona! Maybe? Rich
Be seeing you next week Rich, just got into Vegas tonight, heading out first thing in the morning....got delayed a little in ARIZONA...lol, I'll tell you about it sometime, give you a hint...it has a little something to do with DOT, log book, medical card, jail, a Judge, impound, and a ***** for a DOT officer in his 20's:mad: My truck and trailer together weigh under 26,000lbs, BUT...I guess if your delivering pool tables ACROSS state lines, one needs a log book, and a medical card to PROCEED!!!...or do NOT pass GO, do NOT collect $200, BUT...reach DEEEEEEEEEP in your pocket....and PLAY the GAME!!!!

Glen

poolhustler
10-27-2008, 10:47 PM
Be seeing you next week Rich, just got into Vegas tonight, heading out first thing in the morning....got delayed a little in ARIZONA...lol, I'll tell you about it sometime, give you a hint...it has a little something to do with DOT, log book, medical card, jail, a Judge, impound, and a ***** for a DOT officer in his 20's:mad: My truck and trailer together weigh under 26,000lbs, BUT...I guess if your delivering pool tables ACROSS state lines, one needs a log book, and a medical card to PROCEED!!!...or do NOT pass GO, do NOT collect $200, BUT...reach DEEEEEEEEEP in your pocket....and PLAY the GAME!!!!

Glen


WOW....that sucks some serious asssss........:mad:

Sorry to hear. Did they at least give you a reach around?? lol

realkingcobra
10-27-2008, 10:55 PM
WOW....that sucks some serious asssss........:mad:

Sorry to hear. Did they at least give you a reach around?? lol
NO...had to do THAT myself:mad: :thumbup:

Glen...LOL

ShootingArts
10-28-2008, 12:05 AM
Glen,

Just one of the things I have noted about you was ignoring all DOT regulations according to your posts. Your plans for your truck will put you further afoul of them also. While you are acting like a jackass on here you might consider that you also post enough info that anyone toting a grudge could burn you to the ground. When the DOT gets serious not only can the fines get mammoth, your truck will be flagged so that you are regularly called inside at the scales.

Regardless of what you consider yourself to be, you are a commercial trucker to the DOT. I spot violations just looking at your photographs. Before you bother with a shitty reply, I could have burned you many months ago if I was inclined. I or anyone that reads this forum can also destroy you in a courtroom as a witness if you ever so much as crack somebody's fingernail and get sued while you are working. You like making enemies and then you give them all the ammo they need to destroy you.

Hu


Be seeing you next week Rich, just got into Vegas tonight, heading out first thing in the morning....got delayed a little in ARIZONA...lol, I'll tell you about it sometime, give you a hint...it has a little something to do with DOT, log book, medical card, jail, a Judge, impound, and a ***** for a DOT officer in his 20's:mad: My truck and trailer together weigh under 26,000lbs, BUT...I guess if your delivering pool tables ACROSS state lines, one needs a log book, and a medical card to PROCEED!!!...or do NOT pass GO, do NOT collect $200, BUT...reach DEEEEEEEEEP in your pocket....and PLAY the GAME!!!!

Glen

realkingcobra
10-28-2008, 12:50 AM
Glen,

Just one of the things I have noted about you was ignoring all DOT regulations according to your posts. Your plans for your truck will put you further afoul of them also. While you are acting like a jackass on here you might consider that you also post enough info that anyone toting a grudge could burn you to the ground. When the DOT gets serious not only can the fines get mammoth, your truck will be flagged so that you are regularly called inside at the scales.

Regardless of what you consider yourself to be, you are a commercial trucker to the DOT. I spot violations just looking at your photographs. Before you bother with a shitty reply, I could have burned you many months ago if I was inclined. I or anyone that reads this forum can also destroy you in a courtroom as a witness if you ever so much as crack somebody's fingernail and get sued while you are working. You like making enemies and then you give them all the ammo they need to destroy you.

Hu
Hu, first time in 7 years, and a half million miles I've ever been stopped, so now I'll carry a log book and have a medical card...no big deal, YOU want to stop me, bring it on. Don't care for you much anyway, and life goes on;) it's all part of the game!

Glen

PS, Hu, my truck and trailer are both legal, DOT checked them both out and found no short comings, so there....buddy!

rackem
10-28-2008, 01:22 AM
Extra butter on my popcorn Please.:bash: :bash: :yeah: :duck:

ShootingArts
10-28-2008, 05:31 AM
Glen,

Your truck isn't legal in any picture you have ever posted. I have owned over a dozen trucks from one-ton to eighteen wheelers and everything in between and I know better. Depends on the mood the inspector is in, you got off light. Read the regulations . . . . . Buddy

As for the log book being no big deal, it isn't as long as you plan to cheat it. A legal log book totally changes the way you operate, at least according to the claims you constantly make on here. Either you are a total phony or a legal log book makes a huge difference. Read the regulations . . . . . Buddy

I don't care much for you either. I read your posts and rantings purely for entertainment. You claim to be an independent businessman, that has Diamond buy his trucks, pay his insurance, and cover his major repairs. I have been an independent businessman most of the time since 1970 and never had any other business do any of these things . . . . . . Buddy

I note your conceit thinking another mechanic couldn't possibly figure out the Diamond leveling system without help. I laughed out loud. The uses of inclined planes have been known since ancient times and they are still often used to level heavy machinery to far tighter standards than a pool table. I suspect that Diamond came up with the system from seeing it used or seeing the levelers in a supply catalog. Nothing novel . . . . . Buddy


You do a decent job at something that isn't particularly challenging and it gives you a hugely overinflated ego . . . . . . Buddy

I can't tell you how little it means to me that we are buddies now, . . . Buddy

Actually I'm not that kind of a guy. Sorry Buddy!

Hu



Hu, first time in 7 years, and a half million miles I've ever been stopped, so now I'll carry a log book and have a medical card...no big deal, YOU want to stop me, bring it on. Don't care for you much anyway, and life goes on;) it's all part of the game!

Glen

PS, Hu, my truck and trailer are both legal, DOT checked them both out and found no short comings, so there....buddy!

jay helfert
10-28-2008, 05:42 AM
This table was one heck of a project, but well worth it when it was finished, John Leitch now has another great Brunswick Centennial 9ft to play on in his house, but it's NOT a Diamond, so I don't know how I managed to get this table in the condition it's in, because I ONLY know how to work on Diamonds!!!:rolleyes:

Glen

I'd give my left nut for that table! :smile:

Rick S.
10-28-2008, 05:54 AM
I'd give my left nut for that table! :smile:

It really is something else....I'll be taking some photos this week. I'm eager to see it after it's all been put together. AND, I'll test the playability as well:smile:

It's outfitted with new Artemis rubber....and I'm hearing it plays as good as any table, anywhere.

That Glen sure knows what he's doing!!

The light is going to be something special as well....John's going all out on it. With inlaid leather, and a few other things.

I'll post them ASAP...

StrokeofLuck
10-28-2008, 06:00 AM
I'd give my left nut for that table! :smile:

Don't do it Jay, I gave my left nut in '81 (to cancer) didn't work;) I did get a 4' x 8' Fischer table out of the deal though:D

ChrisShanklin
10-28-2008, 07:58 AM
DICKHEADS of the world unite!!!

Please get on here to Glen he isn't doing a great job!

When we all know he really is, I don't really give two shits about his log book, let that shit go.

I love Glens posts, I dig them up, he shows new pictures of shit that looks outstanding. But of course the forum needs flamers, there good for bending over and making threads last waaaay too long.

Glen is that a piece of cardboard in the pocket to make the fold?

poolhustler
10-28-2008, 08:05 AM
Someday I WILL own a nice Anniversary or Cenntenial table like that!!!!


:smile:

realkingcobra
10-28-2008, 08:27 AM
DICKHEADS of the world unite!!!

Please get on here to Glen he isn't doing a great job!

When we all know he really is, I don't really give two shits about his log book, let that shit go.

I love Glens posts, I dig them up, he shows new pictures of shit that looks outstanding. But of course the forum needs flamers, there good for bending over and making threads last waaaay too long.

Glen is that a piece of cardboard in the pocket to make the fold?
It's plumming strapping tape, used for hanging plastic pipes, I buy it in 50' rolls from Home Depot or Lowes.

Glen

realkingcobra
10-28-2008, 08:34 AM
Glen,

Your truck isn't legal in any picture you have ever posted. I have owned over a dozen trucks from one-ton to eighteen wheelers and everything in between and I know better. Depends on the mood the inspector is in, you got off light. Read the regulations . . . . . Buddy

As for the log book being no big deal, it isn't as long as you plan to cheat it. A legal log book totally changes the way you operate, at least according to the claims you constantly make on here. Either you are a total phony or a legal log book makes a huge difference. Read the regulations . . . . . Buddy

I don't care much for you either. I read your posts and rantings purely for entertainment. You claim to be an independent businessman, that has Diamond buy his trucks, pay his insurance, and cover his major repairs. I have been an independent businessman most of the time since 1970 and never had any other business do any of these things . . . . . . Buddy

I note your conceit thinking another mechanic couldn't possibly figure out the Diamond leveling system without help. I laughed out loud. The uses of inclined planes have been known since ancient times and they are still often used to level heavy machinery to far tighter standards than a pool table. I suspect that Diamond came up with the system from seeing it used or seeing the levelers in a supply catalog. Nothing novel . . . . . Buddy


You do a decent job at something that isn't particularly challenging and it gives you a hugely overinflated ego . . . . . . Buddy

I can't tell you how little it means to me that we are buddies now, . . . Buddy

Actually I'm not that kind of a guy. Sorry Buddy!

Hu
I'm aware of the reduced hours of driving HU by having to keep a log book. I'm buying this truck I have now, and I "PAY" for major repairs, not that it should matter to you any, but I'll tell you what, if I had to deal with customers like you....you'd never see my truck, no matter how much you paid!!!...So go cry someone else a river...Buddy!!

Glen

PS. HU, I work to support this industry, what do you do to support it besides run your big mouth?

realkingcobra
10-28-2008, 09:27 AM
Glen,

Your truck isn't legal in any picture you have ever posted. I have owned over a dozen trucks from one-ton to eighteen wheelers and everything in between and I know better. Depends on the mood the inspector is in, you got off light. Read the regulations . . . . . Buddy

As for the log book being no big deal, it isn't as long as you plan to cheat it. A legal log book totally changes the way you operate, at least according to the claims you constantly make on here. Either you are a total phony or a legal log book makes a huge difference. Read the regulations . . . . . Buddy

I don't care much for you either. I read your posts and rantings purely for entertainment. You claim to be an independent businessman, that has Diamond buy his trucks, pay his insurance, and cover his major repairs. I have been an independent businessman most of the time since 1970 and never had any other business do any of these things . . . . . . Buddy

I note your conceit thinking another mechanic couldn't possibly figure out the Diamond leveling system without help. I laughed out loud. The uses of inclined planes have been known since ancient times and they are still often used to level heavy machinery to far tighter standards than a pool table. I suspect that Diamond came up with the system from seeing it used or seeing the levelers in a supply catalog. Nothing novel . . . . . Buddy


You do a decent job at something that isn't particularly challenging and it gives you a hugely overinflated ego . . . . . . Buddy

I can't tell you how little it means to me that we are buddies now, . . . Buddy

Actually I'm not that kind of a guy. Sorry Buddy!

Hu
Look "Shootingfarts", when I work with other mechanics like SDBilliards, 10spool, and ANY other mechanic in this country, and I show them how to work, handle, repair Diamond tables, as well as any other tables as a way of helping support this industry, and I do it for no pay to them, and now guys like Donny aka SDBilliards can drive out to the BCA warehouse and pick up Diamond tables for delivery back to California and surrounding areas, who do you think that benefits when I can't get there to make the deliveries? I suppose I could just take every sideline job I come across and make a bid on that job, then turn in the quote to Diamond so they can PAY me NOT to work on other tables besides Diamonds, but then...John wouldn't have the great looking/playing table he has pictured in this thread....but I'd be paid NOT to do it, so therefor I wouldn't be loosing any money!!! Let me tell you something, Diamond nor the customers I deliver to pay enough money for me to live my life on the road living in the back of a truck, but the customers are paying a fair price for delivery and set up, that leaves Diamond, and they're more than welcome to find someone else to live their "LIFE" on the road if they want to, who's more than willing to use their own transportation, as I've done with 2 of my own vehicles, and wore them out, but had nothing to show for it. While you've slept in your bed at night, I've slept in the cab of a ranger pickup truck for more than a year, supporting Diamond's tables and reputation!

DON"T LIKE WHAT I POST, DON'T READ WHAT I POST!!!

Glen

ShootingArts
10-28-2008, 01:30 PM
Glen,

I love what you post. You are so full of chit you make me look good. I just had to grab a late lunch and save these posts before you did any more editing buddy boy. I'll read them tonight.

Later phony fake chalk king cobra.

Hu




Look "Shootingfarts", when I work with other mechanics like SDBilliards, 10spool, and ANY other mechanic in this country, and I show them how to work, handle, repair Diamond tables, as well as any other tables as a way of helping support this industry, and I do it for no pay to them, and now guys like Donny aka SDBilliards can drive out to the BCA warehouse and pick up Diamond tables for delivery back to California and surrounding areas, who do you think that benefits when I can't get there to make the deliveries? I suppose I could just take every sideline job I come across and make a bid on that job, then turn in the quote to Diamond so they can PAY me NOT to work on other tables besides Diamonds, but then...John wouldn't have the great looking/playing table he has pictured in this thread....but I'd be paid NOT to do it, so therefor I wouldn't be loosing any money!!! Let me tell you something, Diamond nor the customers I deliver to pay enough money for me to live my life on the road living in the back of a truck, but the customers are paying a fair price for delivery and set up, that leaves Diamond, and they're more than welcome to find someone else to live their "LIFE" on the road if they want to, who's more than willing to use their own transportation, as I've done with 2 of my own vehicles, and wore them out, but had nothing to show for it. While you've slept in your bed at night, I've slept in the cab of a ranger pickup truck for more than a year, supporting Diamond's tables and reputation!

DON"T LIKE WHAT I POST, DON'T READ WHAT I POST!!!

Glen

realkingcobra
10-28-2008, 01:56 PM
Glen,

I love what you post. You are so full of chit you make me look good. I just had to grab a late lunch and save these posts before you did any more editing buddy boy. I'll read them tonight.

Later phony fake chalk king cobra.

Hu
Just remember who's attacking who HU, a word to the wise should be sufficient;)

Glen

Donny Wessels
10-28-2008, 03:25 PM
In these pictures, I'm flat out showing you how I get the shirt collar look in the pockets, which hides the staples, and pocket flaps, and this information is free, so make sure you have it done on your table at home next time it's recovered...:grin:
80029

80030

80031

80032

80033

wow, that's a beautiful pocket.

Dartman
10-28-2008, 04:07 PM
wow, that's a beautiful pocket.
Agree.
But according to hu - doing expert work with pool tables is "something that isn't particularly challenging" :killingme:

ChrisShanklin
10-28-2008, 07:54 PM
Agree.
But according to hu - doing expert work with pool tables is "something that isn't particularly challenging" :killingme:
That's what stupids do. They say stupid things, flame Glen, then disappear from craigslist. OTLB, Mechanic101, and probably many more. I think glen may be "whacking" these guys.

No but seriously, everyone slowly starts to shut up, you can't win against Glen, it won't happen, He's the shit....he needs toilet paper.

PoolTable911
10-28-2008, 08:25 PM
Agree.
But according to hu - doing expert work with pool tables is "something that isn't particularly challenging" :killingme:
Ain't that some BS. Have you Mr HU ever set up A GCIV or a Diamond Pro, or a Connelly Ultimate? If not you shoud stop right now. I know this is a shock to you but you do need knowlage and need to be extremly mechanically inclined. To make a table dead on level is like art work. Because when you are finished each table is like a masterpiece for the mechanic to show off. There are plenty of hacks that slap a table together. But when you play on his table, Then mine...You will see why it is particularly challenging.

ShootingArts
10-28-2008, 08:33 PM
Agree.
But according to hu - doing expert work with pool tables is "something that isn't particularly challenging" :killingme:

I have moved, set-up, and trued machinery weighing ten times what a pool table weighs to one-thousandths of an inch accuracy, and did it alone. I have also cut to tolerances of one/ten-thousandths or less. I have built over a dozen successful race car engines, record setting pistols, and a rifle that shot an aggregate that was well under the world record, with me doing the steering. I could go on for quite a while yet but you get the drift, working on pool tables isn't particularly challenging. I worked on a couple of pool tables decades ago, no big deal.

Hu

PoolTable911
10-28-2008, 08:35 PM
I have moved, set-up, and trued machinery weighing ten times what a pool table weighs to one-thousandths of an inch accuracy, and did it alone. I have also cut to tolerances of one/ten-thousandths or less. I have built over a dozen successful race car engines, record setting pistols, and a rifle that shot an aggregate that was well under the world record, with me doing the steering. I could go on for quite a while yet but you get the drift, working on pool tables isn't particularly challenging. I worked on a couple of pool tables decades ago, no big deal.

Hu


Are you the same guy who has the feud with Fast Larry on RSB?

ShootingArts
10-28-2008, 09:20 PM
Just remember who's attacking who HU, a word to the wise should be sufficient;)

Glen

Glen,

I know your attacks don't count for you. You like to dish it out but whimper like a spanked pup when you get some back. It's an attack if the world doesn't kiss your butt but fine for you to attack others. Wah, wah, wah, whahh, wah. I hear some crying and now veiled threats. Need somebody to hold your hand with bad ol' Hu not stroking your ego?



Hu
Look "Shootingfarts", when I work with other mechanics like SDBilliards, 10spool, and ANY other mechanic in this country, and I show them how to work, handle, repair Diamond tables, as well as any other tables as a way of helping support this industry, and I do it for no pay to them, and now guys like Donny aka SDBilliards can drive out to the BCA warehouse and pick up Diamond tables for delivery back to California and surrounding areas, who do you think that benefits when I can't get there to make the deliveries? I suppose I could just take every sideline job I come across and make a bid on that job, then turn in the quote to Diamond so they can PAY me NOT to work on other tables besides Diamonds, but then...John wouldn't have the great looking/playing table he has pictured in this thread....but I'd be paid NOT to do it, so therefor I wouldn't be loosing any money!!! Let me tell you something, Diamond nor the customers I deliver to pay enough money for me to live my life on the road living in the back of a truck, but the customers are paying a fair price for delivery and set up, that leaves Diamond, and they're more than welcome to find someone else to live their "LIFE" on the road if they want to, who's more than willing to use their own transportation, as I've done with 2 of my own vehicles, and wore them out, but had nothing to show for it. While you've slept in your bed at night, I've slept in the cab of a ranger pickup truck for more than a year, supporting Diamond's tables and reputation!

DON"T LIKE WHAT I POST, DON'T READ WHAT I POST!!!

Glen

More of the poor little me, I am the only person who has ever worked hard or long hours in the whole world. Guess what, many of us have worked harder and longer hours than you have, no big deal. We don't feel the need to come on here, "look at me, look at me!"

As for Diamond's reputation, you do it harm with every thread you post. You came on here and whined for pages when you wanted Diamond to buy you a new truck. The very fact that Diamond keeps a loose cannon like you around indicates to me that they are a far less professional outfit than they appear to be. A year and a half ago I was interested in a dozen or so Diamond's for a project that may happen in the coming year. If I had to have you on my place you couldn't give me the Diamonds. With your foolishness you will get yourself hurt sooner or later and whiners like you are the first to sue others when you bring something on yourself. Too, after looking at your pictures of Diamond construction I'm not nearly as impressed with them.




I'm aware of the reduced hours of driving HU by having to keep a log book. I'm buying this truck I have now, and I "PAY" for major repairs, not that it should matter to you any, but I'll tell you what, if I had to deal with customers like you....you'd never see my truck, no matter how much you paid!!!...So go cry someone else a river...Buddy!!

Glen


Showing just how little you know here Glen. Reduced hours driving, reduced hours all other work, and mandatory down time to reset the clock after working so many hours. Like I said, you either totally have to change the way you do business unless you have been lying the whole time on this forum or you will be running with an illegal log book. As I have already indicated in this post, I wouldn't let you on my property to change the toilet paper in the bathroom. I don't have time for a loose cannon or a whiner. As for crying, 'fraid I ain't the one crying, it is you and your buddies.




PS. HU, I work to support this industry, what do you do to support it besides run your big mouth?

A handful of things. Amongst other things I stick pins in pompous people that try to run off other table mechanics and then talk about doing shoddy work themselves. I found it funny that you think it is great to be able to level a slate after putting the cloth on. If you leveled the slate to begin with and stretched the cloth evenly the table wouldn't need releveling to compensate for the cloth not being put on properly. You stress the slate to compensate for putting on the cloth poorly or using cloth without consistent weight? Now that is quality workmanship and attention to detail!

I have known many guys like you in the past, legends in their own minds. Not one that had to toot his own horn all the time was nearly the best at what he did. I sincerely doubt you are the exception.

I come here for three reasons, to learn, to help others when I can, and to be entertained. Your posts definitely fall under the heading of entertainment. I have laughed at your pompous holier than thou crap from day one while reading about all the foolish things you do and then tell the world about it. Forest Gump said something that applies here, I can't remember the exact words though.

Hu

Dartman
10-28-2008, 10:50 PM
I have moved, set-up, and trued machinery weighing ten times what a pool table weighs to one-thousandths of an inch accuracy, and did it alone. I have also cut to tolerances of one/ten-thousandths or less. I have built over a dozen successful race car engines, record setting pistols, and a rifle that shot an aggregate that was well under the world record, with me doing the steering. I could go on for quite a while yet but you get the drift, working on pool tables isn't particularly challenging. I worked on a couple of pool tables decades ago, no big deal.

Hu
And all these wonderful accomplishments have what to do with pool table work? :rolleyes:

On the other hand I agree that working on your Sears table is no big deal.
your post - http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=1465724&postcount=120

Dartman
10-28-2008, 11:02 PM
Are you the same guy who has the feud with Fast Larry on RSB?
There's a name from hell, lol.
Wonder if there's anyone that doesn't feud with FL.

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 01:32 PM
Glen,

I know your attacks don't count for you. You like to dish it out but whimper like a spanked pup when you get some back. It's an attack if the world doesn't kiss your butt but fine for you to attack others. Wah, wah, wah, whahh, wah. I hear some crying and now veiled threats. Need somebody to hold your hand with bad ol' Hu not stroking your ego?




More of the poor little me, I am the only person who has ever worked hard or long hours in the whole world. Guess what, many of us have worked harder and longer hours than you have, no big deal. We don't feel the need to come on here, "look at me, look at me!"

As for Diamond's reputation, you do it harm with every thread you post. You came on here and whined for pages when you wanted Diamond to buy you a new truck. The very fact that Diamond keeps a loose cannon like you around indicates to me that they are a far less professional outfit than they appear to be. A year and a half ago I was interested in a dozen or so Diamond's for a project that may happen in the coming year. If I had to have you on my place you couldn't give me the Diamonds. With your foolishness you will get yourself hurt sooner or later and whiners like you are the first to sue others when you bring something on yourself. Too, after looking at your pictures of Diamond construction I'm not nearly as impressed with them.






Showing just how little you know here Glen. Reduced hours driving, reduced hours all other work, and mandatory down time to reset the clock after working so many hours. Like I said, you either totally have to change the way you do business unless you have been lying the whole time on this forum or you will be running with an illegal log book. As I have already indicated in this post, I wouldn't let you on my property to change the toilet paper in the bathroom. I don't have time for a loose cannon or a whiner. As for crying, 'fraid I ain't the one crying, it is you and your buddies.





A handful of things. Amongst other things I stick pins in pompous people that try to run off other table mechanics and then talk about doing shoddy work themselves. I found it funny that you think it is great to be able to level a slate after putting the cloth on. If you leveled the slate to begin with and stretched the cloth evenly the table wouldn't need releveling to compensate for the cloth not being put on properly. You stress the slate to compensate for putting on the cloth poorly or using cloth without consistent weight? Now that is quality workmanship and attention to detail!

I have known many guys like you in the past, legends in their own minds. Not one that had to toot his own horn all the time was nearly the best at what he did. I sincerely doubt you are the exception.

I come here for three reasons, to learn, to help others when I can, and to be entertained. Your posts definitely fall under the heading of entertainment. I have laughed at your pompous holier than thou crap from day one while reading about all the foolish things you do and then tell the world about it. Forest Gump said something that applies here, I can't remember the exact words though.

Hu
"It's better to be thought dumb and stupid, than it is to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"...keep talking HU, the real you is showing through;)

Glen

easymoney1
10-29-2008, 05:11 PM
Awesome work King Cobra. I recently purchased a 9ft Diamond pro and with the help of a friend who does table work part time set it up. Having assisted in the process of setting one up I have nothing but admiration for the work you do. That is far from easy and detail work and finished product you are capable of is truly amazing. Just wondering what would it cost to have you swing by and redo my table.

PS. Thanks for the tip about the pockets.

Clint

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 05:13 PM
Awesome work King Cobra. I recently purchased a 9ft Diamond pro and with the help of a friend who does table work part time set it up. Having assisted in the process of setting one up I have nothing but admiration for the work you do. That is far from easy and detail work and finished product you are capable of is truly amazing. Just wondering what would it cost to have you swing buy and redo my table.

PS. Thanks for the tip about the pockets.

Clint
Now...is that a BIG swing, or a little swing:D where are you?

Glen

easymoney1
10-29-2008, 05:19 PM
South Central Illinois.

Bigtruck
10-29-2008, 05:34 PM
wow, that's a beautiful pocket.

I can't believe Glen left that staple in the middle a little crooked!!!:eek:

You're getting lax there Glen! LMAO

ShootingArts
10-29-2008, 05:41 PM
"It's better to be thought dumb and stupid, than it is to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"...keep talking HU, the real you is showing through;)

Glen



Glen,

Obviously you speak from experience since you haven't addressed the matters of substance in any of my posts and much prefer these feeble attacks. Too late for you to be silent though, you have long ago revealed yourself. Once the BS and bombast are taken away there isn't much left of you.

Hu

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 05:43 PM
South Central Illinois.
That's possible, after I've been to NJ, which is next on the list after I leave the Northwest.

Glen

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 05:46 PM
Glen,

Obviously you speak from experience since you haven't addressed the matters of substance in any of my posts and much prefer these feeble attacks. Too late for you to be silent though, you have long ago revealed yourself. Once the BS and bombast are taken away there isn't much left of you.

Hu
Good bye HU, run along and play now, be a good little boy, don't chase any parked cars now, but do play in the steet:grin:

Glen

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 06:05 PM
Glen,

Obviously you speak from experience since you haven't addressed the matters of substance in any of my posts and much prefer these feeble attacks. Too late for you to be silent though, you have long ago revealed yourself. Once the BS and bombast are taken away there isn't much left of you.

Hu
Hu, I'll tell you like I use to tell my kids when they were little, if you quit sucking on your thumb, the feelings in it WILL come back:D I bet you're still upset over Ernesto, and you know what, you should be, just for you Hu,,,shhhhh....the tables I recover all look better than your table does, I know that's got to eat at you...but...what'cha gonna do, that's just life!:D

Glen

ShootingArts
10-29-2008, 06:09 PM
Good bye HU, run along and play now, be a good little boy, don't chase any parked cars now, but do play in the steet:grin:

Glen


Poor FKC,

Bullying didn't work, trying for pity didn't work, bluffing didn't work, I wouldn't get sidetracked by yappers trying to help him out. He just doesn't have anywhere else to go with this.

You can't make me mad and you can't make me go away. I'll call your BS every time I am in the mood and show you for the clown you are.

Hu

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 06:13 PM
Poor FKC,

Bullying didn't work, trying for pity didn't work, bluffing didn't work, I wouldn't get sidetracked by yappers trying to help him out. He just doesn't have anywhere else to go with this.

You can't make me mad and you can't make me go away. I'll call your BS every time I am in the mood and show you for the clown you are.

Hu
:rotflmao1: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1:

Dartman
10-29-2008, 06:32 PM
Poor FKC,
Bullying didn't work, trying for pity didn't work, bluffing didn't work, I wouldn't get sidetracked by yappers trying to help him out. He just doesn't have anywhere else to go with this.
You can't make me mad and you can't make me go away. I'll call your BS every time I am in the mood and show you for the clown you are.
Hu

:boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:
Just words that say nothing. Pretty sad if this is the best you can do.

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Dartman
10-29-2008, 06:39 PM
I can't believe Glen left that staple in the middle a little crooked!!!:eek:

You're getting lax there Glen! LMAO

The one next to it is off-level too.
Terrible work, just terrible :killingme:

ShootingArts
10-29-2008, 06:52 PM
:rotflmao1: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1:


Good Move!

When every word just digs you in deeper it is time to shut up and roll over on your back with your feet in the air like a spanked puppy!

Hu

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 06:58 PM
Good Move!

When every word just digs you in deeper it is time to shut up and roll over on your back with your feet in the air like a spanked puppy!

Hu
:happydance: :happydance: :happydance: :happydance:

ShootingArts
10-29-2008, 07:06 PM
:happydance: :happydance: :happydance: :happydance:


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Poor FKC, can't quit posting and can't say anything either. There are several hundred emoticons still to go though, don't give up!

Hu

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 07:09 PM
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Poor FKC, can't quit posting and can't say anything either. There are several hundred emoticons still to go though, don't give up!

Hu
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

ShootingArts
10-29-2008, 07:11 PM
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Speaking of puppies, looks like the company that you don't work for has muzzled you. Seems one more of my points has been proven.

Hu

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 07:13 PM
Speaking of puppies, looks like the company that you don't work for has muzzled you. Seems one more of my points has been proven.

Hu
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

poolhustler
10-29-2008, 07:13 PM
I can't believe Glen left that staple in the middle a little crooked!!!:eek:

You're getting lax there Glen! LMAO

I was going to post up the same issue, but I didn't want to get red rep'd for flaming!!!!!!!!!

:D

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 07:15 PM
I was going to post up the same issue, but I didn't want to get red rep'd for flaming!!!!!!!!!

:D

What ever:D :D :D :D

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 07:17 PM
I can't believe Glen left that staple in the middle a little crooked!!!:eek:

You're getting lax there Glen! LMAO
Bad camera angle:o :grin: :grin:

ShootingArts
10-29-2008, 07:20 PM
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

It's been a hoot, time for me to go play with the big boys awhile though.

Later,
Hu

realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 07:22 PM
It's been a hoot, time for me to go play with the big boys awhile though.

Later,
Hu
:p :p :p :p

Dartman
10-29-2008, 07:39 PM
It's been a hoot, time for me to go play with the big boys awhile though.

Later,
Hu

The third graders?
Don't let the door slam you in the ass. :killingme:


Glen - you sure picked a good title for this thread.
Too bad only a few of the nimnuts came out from under the rocks.

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realkingcobra
10-29-2008, 07:42 PM
The third graders?
Don't let the door slam you in the ass. :killingme:


Glen - you sure picked a good title for this thread.
Too bad only a few of the nimnuts came out from under the rocks.

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Yeah, but some of them were BIG rocks!...LOL

reverend
11-02-2008, 03:40 PM
Bad camera angle:o :grin: :grin:

80612

hahaha what bad angle?? ;) ;)

Bigtruck
11-02-2008, 04:07 PM
80612

hahaha what bad angle?? ;) ;)

Spice for nice photoshop job!!

Ray

realkingcobra
02-27-2010, 10:41 AM
Brought it forward for Bob De Turk;)

CreeDo
02-28-2010, 10:02 AM
I always like RKC's posts because they're loaded with photos of his good work. He has a right to be proud, everything looks perfect and from the testimonials it sounds like he's the real deal. The tables play as good as they look.

Hu meanwhile generally makes pretty interesting, sensible, levelheaded posts. I can't see him being on the wrong end of a conflict. So it's hard to figure out how these two could come to be fighting. It gives me FEELINGS OF SAD.

Eieio59
02-28-2010, 10:14 AM
Great craftsmanship is a wonderful thing. It is not boasting...... it is the age old American value of "being proud of your work". A true craftsman must be proud of their work and in your work, the pride shows. You don't just get the job done, you get it done right .......and with pride. JOB WELL DONE....... and as a player who appreciates good quality tables and the effort it takes to get them that way and keep them that way..... I THANK YOU!

Tammie Jones

ShootingArts
02-28-2010, 10:30 AM
I always like RKC's posts because they're loaded with photos of his good work. He has a right to be proud, everything looks perfect and from the testimonials it sounds like he's the real deal. The tables play as good as they look.

Hu meanwhile generally makes pretty interesting, sensible, levelheaded posts. I can't see him being on the wrong end of a conflict. So it's hard to figure out how these two could come to be fighting. It gives me FEELINGS OF SAD.


It is an old thread. RKO is not only proud of his own work he knocks other people's. I haven't read back to see if this is the particular thread but RKO knocked Ernesto for changing the angle of the cushion backing and using the cushions Ernesto preferred to make a table play the way he wanted it to. A few weeks back RKO was boasting of his own great work, changing the angle behind the cushions to make the table play the way he wanted it to!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I look at some of the "great work" RKO brags about such as stapling in a thin strip of badly warped wood to even out the backer and the slate and I laugh that he would post photographs of such work but what the hell if he and the customer thinks that is great work it ain't any skin off of my butt.

RKO is a decent technician. He wouldn't be allowed on my property for a handful of reasons, including our differences of opinion as to what quality work is.

Hu

realkingcobra
02-28-2010, 10:41 AM
Great craftsmanship is a wonderful thing. It is not boasting...... it is the age old American value of "being proud of your work". A true craftsman must be proud of their work and in your work, the pride shows. You don't just get the job done, you get it done right .......and with pride. JOB WELL DONE....... and as a player who appreciates good quality tables and the effort it takes to get them that way and keep them that way..... I THANK YOU!

Tammie Jones

Thank you for your kind words. In the past I've blamed the cloth manufactures, table manufactures, slate manufactures, and cushion manufactures for the lack of mechanic's knowing what they're doing working on pool tables because ALL of them produce a portion of the products that go into making a pool table, yet NONE of them produce materials to teach mechanics how to work with their products specifically, meaning how to correctly set up a pool table, or how to correctly install the cloth, or how to correctly level the slates. So for YEARS mechanics have been working in the blind with no support from manufactures at any level. Table manufactures can't even get the correct information from cushion manufactures as to what is the correct rail thickness that will make the cushions installed on the rails play at their best....because even THEY don't know, and if they do know, they're not willing to share that information....leaving the table manufactures in the blind as well.

When I can take a set of cushions off one table that plays like crap, install them on another table and they play great...what's wrong with that picture? When I can install Simonis cloth without stretch shadows all over on the rails but another mechanic can't...what's wrong with that picture?

That is why it's my goals to teach mechanics around the country, as well as around the world how to do this kind of work correctly, and that starts at the manufacture level first, which is where I'm at now, getting them on the right sheet of music first, then the rest will fall in line.

Glen

Junior1228
02-28-2010, 12:37 PM
I have helped in redoing a few tables myself and that is genius. I always hated the way the staples showed in the pockets. This is a MUCH CLEANER look. Nice work sir.

What is the white strip that you used?

Thanks
Junior






80612

hahaha what bad angle?? ;) ;)

realkingcobra
02-28-2010, 01:02 PM
It is an old thread. RKO is not only proud of his own work he knocks other people's. I haven't read back to see if this is the particular thread but RKO knocked Ernesto for changing the angle of the cushion backing and using the cushions Ernesto preferred to make a table play the way he wanted it to. A few weeks back RKO was boasting of his own great work, changing the angle behind the cushions to make the table play the way he wanted it to!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I look at some of the "great work" RKO brags about such as stapling in a thin strip of badly warped wood to even out the backer and the slate and I laugh that he would post photographs of such work but what the hell if he and the customer thinks that is great work it ain't any skin off of my butt.

RKO is a decent technician. He wouldn't be allowed on my property for a handful of reasons, including our differences of opinion as to what quality work is.

Hu

You don't have enough money to hire me anyway;)

realkingcobra
02-28-2010, 01:20 PM
It is an old thread. RKO is not only proud of his own work he knocks other people's. I haven't read back to see if this is the particular thread but RKO knocked Ernesto for changing the angle of the cushion backing and using the cushions Ernesto preferred to make a table play the way he wanted it to. A few weeks back RKO was boasting of his own great work, changing the angle behind the cushions to make the table play the way he wanted it to!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I look at some of the "great work" RKO brags about such as stapling in a thin strip of badly warped wood to even out the backer and the slate and I laugh that he would post photographs of such work but what the hell if he and the customer thinks that is great work it ain't any skin off of my butt.

RKO is a decent technician. He wouldn't be allowed on my property for a handful of reasons, including our differences of opinion as to what quality work is.

Hu

Hu, I'm working on 11 GC1's & 2's at Malarkeys Pool room in Tacoma, WA. Fixing all the tables right because SOMEONE installed K66 Artemis cushions on all of them and they play like junk because of it. The first table I fixed up has been busy from 11am -2am 7 days a week since I rebuilt the rails, the second one is the next busy table. When ever someone turns the balls in for either of these tables, immediately someone either checks in the balls of they table they're already playing on to get one of these tables, or there's already a waiting list for them...but not any of the other remaining tables....yet to be rebuilt. When I'm done with this pool room, I'll bet you any amount of money you want to bet....that you can't find any 11 GC's in this country that play exactly the same...or better than these 11 tables. Now, I'll give you a guess as to who installed the K66 cushions! Even the players that go up to the Golden Fleece, which has 10 Diamond 9ft ProAms are showing up at Malarkeys....to play at a higher hourly charge, so you FACTS don't speak for themselves, but mine DO, by way of the CUSTOMERS who play on the tables...and can't believe the difference in how they play once I'm done vs how they've played for years before. So, don't take my word for it....call Clark, the owner of Malarkeys and ask him his opinion about the before and after tables 253-961-9602....but I bet you DON'T have the balls to call!!;)

Glen

realkingcobra
02-28-2010, 02:08 PM
I have helped in redoing a few tables myself and that is genius. I always hated the way the staples showed in the pockets. This is a MUCH CLEANER look. Nice work sir.

What is the white strip that you used?

Thanks
Junior

Junior, it's a plastic hanger strapping used for hanging plastic pipes, you can find it at Home Depot or Lowe's, just about anywhere for that matter. Ask someone working there to point you in the direction of the "plastic pipe hanger strapping" direction:D

Glen

ShootingArts
03-01-2010, 10:01 AM
You don't have enough money to hire me anyway;)

Actually you brag too much about everything including your yearly lack of income. Also I know that you used somebody else's money and then couldn't return money you had no right to use to begin with for months on end. I know you had to go begging and then basically blackmailing when your truck needed repairs. I know you still operate illegally and I know some of the methods you think are quality work would be laughed at by many. In short, you put too much of your business on the street. I wouldn't need to hire you if I was willing to, I could buy you and give you away and never miss the money and I'm just a poor ol' country boy.

Hu

oneshotwiss
03-01-2010, 10:39 AM
Still anxiously waiting for you to come through Ft. Wayne, IN Glen. I find it funny that there is only ONE person out there who bashes your work. You will never be able to please everyone but it appears you come real close...Mark

ShootingArts
03-01-2010, 11:07 AM
Still anxiously waiting for you to come through Ft. Wayne, IN Glen. I find it funny that there is only ONE person out there who bashes your work. You will never be able to please everyone but it appears you come real close...Mark

Who bashes his work? I laugh at some of the mickey mouse things that he does like stapling in a strip of wood in the pockets and then coming on here for folks to fall down at his feet and admire his genius. Most folks that kludge together things like that keep quiet about it. I don't bash his overall work.

I do think that the same people that are so thrilled with his work when it is new may find some of his "innovations" to not be so wonderful a few years down the line but time will tell about that. Making tables play differently than 98% of the tables out there is a very dubious benefit unless people only play on one table or one set of tables all altered to play the same.

Glen the tech is not that terrible. There are surely better and worse out there. Glen the guy that thinks he is God's gift to the pool world, him I have to roll my eyes at. Glen the guy that thinks other people should carry him, that's the one I stay away from. Glen is a lawsuit waiting to happen, the main reason he will never set foot on my property.

Hu

irock
03-01-2010, 11:32 AM
You do not have to agree with what he says or how he says it, but if you wanted your table covered perfectly, I think he would be the person you would call. The word is not cockiness, the word is confidence.

smokey
03-01-2010, 11:50 AM
Actually you brag too much about everything including your yearly lack of income. Also I know that you used somebody else's money and then couldn't return money you had no right to use to begin with for months on end. I know you had to go begging and then basically blackmailing when your truck needed repairs. I know you still operate illegally and I know some of the methods you think are quality work would be laughed at by many. In short, you put too much of your business on the street. I wouldn't need to hire you if I was willing to, I could buy you and give you away and never miss the money and I'm just a poor ol' country boy.

Hu

weren't you "the" great friend to Terry during his surgery? the laptop fund and all? sorry, my mind is not what it used to be, but i thought all that was from you hu, a great guy and fellow az'er, and more imho - a very decent man. did my memory fail [again]?

anyway...

i can just tell you this:

you are completely wrong about glen. and in my opinion glen 'helped' doctor98; so he waited for some $$$; to fn bad. 98 ain't my cup of tea either, but i don't go around bad mouthing him. but what has he done for pool?

glen has done TONS!!!!

and fyi: i am no hotshot, but i have a few friends and i will tell you this from being in the west...

everyone of them who know many tech's [i don't want to point fingers at anyone]; when asked said...

glen is CLEARLY THE BEST
hands down, THE BEST!!

i would be happy to tell you the whole story of what glen did for me so if you want pm me and you phone number], but never asked for a dime more, day after day working, then helping me get brand new slates direct from sean cummings the pres of brunswich, then coming back and picking them up for me and installing, ect, and still never asked me for a dime.

so of course we played on my new great table for $$$, $100 a game, i knew he would beat me. but to his credit, he just said "STOP". he on his own just felt appreciated. and that was enough for him. so...

as you have 'all your reasons' for disliking him, i have my reasons for liking him but completely different from you, i truly appreciate him for his complete dedication to me/us, but more importantly to all of us to have the best he can do, or imho, the best of the best playing tables.

i hope you still like me as i respected you much for so many of your posts and for being there for someone i think is a great asset to us all, Terry, another man i truly admire, like i did you. please rethink.

i love this site and have learned so much, but i know, i know so little. maybe you have more $$$ than me, maybe you are more important than me, that is fine. i just hope you will give me enough respect as a fellow az'er and rethink about glen.

and if i can ask your help, please read the following threads:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=173837

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=176023

we would really appreciate any help on these.

all the best,
smokey

realkingcobra
03-01-2010, 12:11 PM
Actually you brag too much about everything including your yearly lack of income. Also I know that you used somebody else's money and then couldn't return money you had no right to use to begin with for months on end. I know you had to go begging and then basically blackmailing when your truck needed repairs. I know you still operate illegally and I know some of the methods you think are quality work would be laughed at by many. In short, you put too much of your business on the street. I wouldn't need to hire you if I was willing to, I could buy you and give you away and never miss the money and I'm just a poor ol' country boy.

Hu

Hu, the fact that I'd rather eat out of the bottom of a garbage can than rob someone if I was that hungry is the way I am, but never the less...if you offered me a million dollars to recover your pool table so I wouldn't have to eat out of a garbage can....I'd still tell you....you DON'T have enough money to buy my work...and continue looking for something to eat;) Fortunately I'm a good table mechanic, so I'll never go hungry:rolleyes:

Your problem with me as a mechanic, is that I set the bar to high for your mechanic to follow in my foot steps, and I think that bothers you just a little to much;) but...OH well! I'm getting ready to change another part of this industry....and believe me, you'll hear about it soon enough and so will everyone else....but it won't be me doing the talking about the change...THAT will come from someone else....by way of a "Thank you"

Glen

ShootingArts
03-02-2010, 08:13 AM
Hu, the fact that I'd rather eat out of the bottom of a garbage can than rob someone if I was that hungry is the way I am, but never the less...if you offered me a million dollars to recover your pool table so I wouldn't have to eat out of a garbage can....I'd still tell you....you DON'T have enough money to buy my work...and continue looking for something to eat;) Fortunately I'm a good table mechanic, so I'll never go hungry:rolleyes:

Your problem with me as a mechanic, is that I set the bar to high for your mechanic to follow in my foot steps, and I think that bothers you just a little to much;) but...OH well! I'm getting ready to change another part of this industry....and believe me, you'll hear about it soon enough and so will everyone else....but it won't be me doing the talking about the change...THAT will come from someone else....by way of a "Thank you"

Glen

My mechanic is me. I don't kludge together stuff or put pool tables on roofing nails to start rocking back and forth after they are used a little while and then come post all of this foolishness on a public forum. I don't do work like that and if I did I'd be sure nobody ever knew about it!

Hu

realkingcobra
03-02-2010, 08:26 AM
My mechanic is me. I don't kludge together stuff or put pool tables on roofing nails to start rocking back and forth after they are used a little while and then come post all of this foolishness on a public forum. I don't do work like that and if I did I'd be sure nobody ever knew about it!

Hu

Yep, just as I thought....jealous:rotflmao:

ShootingArts
03-02-2010, 08:27 AM
Smokey,

I'm no more a perfect human being than you, Terry, or anyone else is. They crucified the last perfect person. However I meet everyone halfway or maybe just a bit more. That is why somebody as good as Terry thinks I am almost a saint and a jackass thinks I am a even bigger jackass. In truth they are both right, at least in my dealings with them.

I don't know if they are still available here to see or not but if you look back a ways either here or in the archives you will find RKC bashing multiple other mechanics and being very ugly to them. I don't really care that he blows his own horn, attacking others is what I got fed up with. Funny that he posts a hall of shame of other people's work and brags about his silly stuff. If I found strips of wood stapled in the pockets or roofing nails under all the feet of a table I would be taking pictures of that to add to the hall of shame if I did such things!

As for your opinions and mine, we are both entitled to our own. Many friends of mine are also friends or friendly with people I don't care for. Doesn't affect how I feel about them in the least.

Hu


weren't you "the" great friend to Terry during his surgery? the laptop fund and all? sorry, my mind is not what it used to be, but i thought all that was from you hu, a great guy and fellow az'er, and more imho - a very decent man. did my memory fail [again]?

anyway...

i can just tell you this:

you are completely wrong about glen. and in my opinion glen 'helped' doctor98; so he waited for some $$$; to fn bad. 98 ain't my cup of tea either, but i don't go around bad mouthing him. but what has he done for pool?

glen has done TONS!!!!

and fyi: i am no hotshot, but i have a few friends and i will tell you this from being in the west...

everyone of them who know many tech's [i don't want to point fingers at anyone]; when asked said...

glen is CLEARLY THE BEST
hands down, THE BEST!!

i would be happy to tell you the whole story of what glen did for me so if you want pm me and you phone number], but never asked for a dime more, day after day working, then helping me get brand new slates direct from sean cummings the pres of brunswich, then coming back and picking them up for me and installing, ect, and still never asked me for a dime.

so of course we played on my new great table for $$$, $100 a game, i knew he would beat me. but to his credit, he just said "STOP". he on his own just felt appreciated. and that was enough for him. so...

as you have 'all your reasons' for disliking him, i have my reasons for liking him but completely different from you, i truly appreciate him for his complete dedication to me/us, but more importantly to all of us to have the best he can do, or imho, the best of the best playing tables.

i hope you still like me as i respected you much for so many of your posts and for being there for someone i think is a great asset to us all, Terry, another man i truly admire, like i did you. please rethink.

i love this site and have learned so much, but i know, i know so little. maybe you have more $$$ than me, maybe you are more important than me, that is fine. i just hope you will give me enough respect as a fellow az'er and rethink about glen.

and if i can ask your help, please read the following threads:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=173837

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=176023

we would really appreciate any help on these.

all the best,
smokey

realkingcobra
03-02-2010, 08:29 AM
My mechanic is me. I don't kludge together stuff or put pool tables on roofing nails to start rocking back and forth after they are used a little while and then come post all of this foolishness on a public forum. I don't do work like that and if I did I'd be sure nobody ever knew about it!

Hu

Hu, if you stop sucking on your thumb....the feeling will come back sooner or later:grin:

ShootingArts
03-02-2010, 08:34 AM
Yep, just as I thought....jealous:rotflmao:

I do envy folks that are happy with very little reason. That makes me envy you a little bit while laughing at you. A man so full of himself with so little justification truly reminds me that ignorance is bliss! Some of the worst craftsmen I have ever seen thought they were the greatest and were equally pleased with themselves.

Hu

Edit: Notice the difference in my quote and his post. Quick editing from one foolish statement to another by the RKC!

ArizonaPete
03-02-2010, 09:09 AM
Sir, you are the Master.
Ignore the rock throwers and please continue to post pictures of tables you're working on. Love to see such great work.

realkingcobra
03-02-2010, 09:15 AM
Hu, it's your total ignorance as a pool table mechanic that leads you to believe that YOU know what's right and wrong with my work. And I say "ignorance" because you won't find ONE table mechanic in the world that would agree with you that them little "strips" of wood is the wrong way to repair the rails as I've done. As far as bashing other mechanics, you're blowing your own horn there again...because of your ignorance once again as a "self made do it yourself mechanic" and at a later date, not to far from now, I'll prove that the way K66 cushions have been installed on GC's in the past was, and still is wrong. But it won't be me pointing it out, it'll be the customers that have had that done to their pool tables...and I've corrected it to where the tables play perfect. So, in YOUR words, I guess THEY wouldn't know whats right or wrong either. But your ignorance blocks your ability to reason, because it's the customer that has the knowledge of the "before" and "after" playability of the "Same" table, and can not only tell the difference in play, but can see it as well.

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As I've said in the past, I don't support installing 15" tires on 16" rims, just because it can be done, that doesn't make it right.

Glen

realkingcobra
03-02-2010, 09:37 AM
I do envy folks that are happy with very little reason. That makes me envy you a little bit while laughing at you. A man so full of himself with so little justification truly reminds me that ignorance is bliss! Some of the worst craftsmen I have ever seen thought they were the greatest and were equally pleased with themselves.

Hu

Edit: Notice the difference in my quote and his post. Quick editing from one foolish statement to another by the RKC!

This industry needs change. Change takes place by someone willing to take on the challenge to create that change. And that kind of change is going to create waves, trust me on that one. But, I'm OK with the waves, because I care enough about this industry to ride out the waves of change.

Mechanics today need leadership, it's because of the lack of mechanic leadership that it's so hard to find a mechanic today that cares more about the final outcome of the job....instead of how much it's going to pay, and how fast can I get it done so I can get to that next job so I can make more money.

And then when a mechanic has demonstrated the abilities to perform perfect work, they then must compete with the "hack" pricing, thereby undercutting their hard earned skills, to the point that....WHY should they be concerned with perfect work....when the customer don't care.

This whole industry is screwed up as far as I'm concerned, and it's about time someone stepped forward and did something about it. That's where I come in, because I have NOTHING to lose. Believe me, I'm the best at rocking the boat.

When it comes to being the best mechanic, I don't know....I probably am, as I've not run across anyone else's work that matches my own....from coast to coast, but then again...it's sad, because I can't be in all places at the same time, so I guess that just means I have to work with other mechanics to get their skills up there with mine, then we can all spread around them skills to more and more customers.

Which is what brings me to posting on AZ. If it were not for my posting here on AZ Hu, even you wouldn't know what's right or wrong on pool tables today.

I post to bring "ATTENTION" to this industry, to help bring about change, to help educate customers to know the difference between right and wrong when it comes to working on their pool tables....so that they can demand better....and force the mechanics to learn to do better if they want that job.

Wake up Hu, see the rose...growing up through the pile of shit!!

Glen

Jaden
03-02-2010, 09:55 AM
I've played on a lot of tables in a lot of places. I've played in Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Bahrain, and too many states in the states to mention.

I've played on tables done by RKC, and they play nicely. I played on the killer table at Dave's place near Seattle, The golden Ram or whatever. A diamond with 4" pockets and I was one of the few who got to play nineball on it too.

I liked it better than most diamonds I've played on...

But I have to say that hands down, the best table I've played on was a tight Gold Crown done by Ernesto and while I've been out of the mechanic business for a long time, and wouldn't compare myself to Ernesto or RKC, I used to redo tables all the time back in the day when me and a buddy who owned the pool hall I worked at started a business selling and delivering pool tables in the inland empire.

The only other thing I'll say is that it isn't all that telling what a customer thinks of the job you do in any business.

I've known carpet layers, painters, fram builders and woodworkers who had customers that thought they were the absolute shit, but they weren't all that special.

Just look at cue builders, there are a lot of cue builders out there that have loyal customers, but if you really want to know how good a cue maker is, ask the other cuemakers...

And believe me, the best of a given trade may know they're the best, but you'll rarely hear them say that they are the best, and you will definitely hear others say they are the best. If the peanut gallery of table mechanics aren't jumping up to say Glen is the best, then one of two things is the case, either his self indulgent attitude makes it so they don't want to, or he isn't and just has an inflated opinion of himself.

I'm not in a position to say which is the case because I'm not a great table mechanic, but I think that Glen could go a long way to reducing the negativity with an attitude adjustment.

I"ve had to adjust my attitude in many respects over my short life and I feel it has made me a better person and more likeable and it has definitely made me a happier person.

I just hope Glen finds a way to be a little less callous towards other mechanics and a little less self agrandizing.

Jaden

p.s. the way Glen responds to this post may not be very telling of how good a mechanic he is, but it is definitely telling of what type of character he has.

realkingcobra
03-02-2010, 10:51 AM
And believe me, the best of a given trade may know they're the best, but you'll rarely hear them say that they are the best, and you will definitely hear others say they are the best. If the peanut gallery of table mechanics aren't jumping up to say Glen is the best, then one of two things is the case, either his self indulgent attitude makes it so they don't want to, or he isn't and just has an inflated opinion of himself.

p.s. the way Glen responds to this post may not be very telling of how good a mechanic he is, but it is definitely telling of what type of character he has.

Jaden, would you like to hear from other "Peanut Gallery" mechanic's as to how much I've influenced their work? Because if that is what it would take for you to understand that this is not about me and my skills, but about changing the industry as a whole, it wouldn't be a problem to get all the "Peanut Gallery" mechanics to come forward and reply in a post...believe me, I have just never asked that of them as of yet....but you could change my mind very easy;) including a straight across the board opinion of installing K66 cushions on GC rails as to if THEY feel it's correct or wrong...from coast to coast;)

Glen

PS. Jaden, think before you answer. On that table you played on up at the Golden Fleece, all I did was extend the rails and tighten the pockets to 3 7/8" inch, I didn't change the way the table played overall, but I could have, and had I done that....believe me, it would have been a one of a kind, but that wasn't my place to do that to....at that time, so I left it alone, for reasons I'm not going to explain right now.

UrackmIcrackm
03-02-2010, 11:47 AM
this is not about me and my skills, but about changing the industry as a whole .
How is puffing out your chest and tooting your horn going to better the industry?

it wouldn't be a problem to get all the "Peanut Gallery" mechanics to come forward and reply in a post...believe me, I have just never asked that of them as of yet....but you could change my mind very easy;) including a straight across the board opinion of installing K66 cushions on GC rails as to if THEY feel it's correct or wrong...from coast to coast;).

::edit::

I didn't change the way the table played overall, but I could have, and had I done that....believe me, it would have been a one of a kind
It is arrogance like this that turns people off. Everyone is different but myself and a few others tend to prefer people who let their work speak for themselves. When someone (anyone, not just you) feels the need to say how great they are every time they open their mouth and shove it down my throat, I recoil. My intial reaction is "ew".

I understand that you've had your moments where you've done something nice for someone but your "in your face arrogance" over shadows that (for me).

Unlike Hu, I don't know anything about the mechanics of a table, nor do I want to know but I can certainly agree with him about your personality. What I do know is that regardless of the work performed, I prefer to listen to and be around someone more down to earth and humble like Ernesto or as personable as Mark Gregory than someone that is boisterously going to tell me how great they are.

realkingcobra
03-02-2010, 12:56 PM
How is puffing out your chest and tooting your horn going to better the industry?


It is arrogance like this that turns people off. Everyone is different but myself and a few others tend to prefer people who let their work speak for themselves. When someone (anyone, not just you) feels the need to say how great they are every time they open their mouth and shove it down my throat, I recoil. My intial reaction is "ew".

I understand that you've had your moments where you've done something nice for someone but your "in your face arrogance" over shadows that (for me).

Unlike Hu, I don't know anything about the mechanics of a table, nor do I want to know but I can certainly agree with him about your personality. What I do know is that regardless of the work performed, I prefer to listen to and be around someone more down to earth and humble like Ernesto or as personable as Mark Gregory than someone that is boisterously going to tell me how great they are.

Find a quote were I say how great I am, that I'm the best, the nuts, better mechanic than anyone out here....FIND IT:rolleyes: I raise the level of other mechanic...so that THEY can do better, so that OTHER mechanics have a better understanding of what it is to do this kind of work correctly....that, you'll find plenty of;)

Glen

PS. I know Mark Gregory personally and have spent quite a bit of time with him, and talk with him almost daily on the phone, do you know him...or just of him?

scruffy1
03-02-2010, 02:25 PM
I really try and stay from away from these things as hard as possible but i can not
now. I have been very involved in this industry for a very long time and have
seen just about everything out there. I have worked on tables from 100 dollars to 150k all over this country and another, so believe me when i say this. Glen is the most knowledgeable mechanic you will possibly find.Period.

Glen does not need defending from any of his fellow mechanics.We know he is the real deal. Glen has never hesitated to help one of us solve a problem
or share his plethora of knowledge with any one on here. Has anyone heard or seen a dissatisfied customer of Glens? To my knowledge they do not exist.


Hu, i think your problem with Glen began with the Ernesto problem. While i probably would of kept this a little off record,this was and still is a serious
problem with his modifications. Do you understand what was being done to them? My friends at Brunswick could not believe this when told. Glen believes in his expertise as well as i and many of the other mechanics on this forum and are behind him 100 percent.

perfectpocketz
03-02-2010, 02:50 PM
Look guy's there is absolutely no reason for everyone to jump on anyone here, Glen is trying so hard to help change the work ethics of the guy's out here doing pool tables for customers. The info he provides on here has help so many mechanic, as the customers themselves. Bottom line, Wall Street never gets up in the morning and says, well lets see how well pool tables are selling today.

Glen does have a different way to express his emotions, and you either accept Glen for the hard work he does everyday or you don't. He truly doesn't mean any harm to anyone, he just loves trying to better the industry more than anything else.

Trust me, big corps. that manufacture the pool tables only care about the sale of their product, after that you're on your own.
Glen is trying so hard to make the customer aware of the real problems of the tables.

I've told Glen many times that people are taking things out of context when you post pics. of your work.
I've made a lot of mistakes in the past on tables, and have learned a great deal talking with Glen.

Glen gets so excited about new ways of making pool tables play a lot better, and just wants to share the work, and his knowledge
of how it was done with pics. (THAT'S ALL IT REALLY IS ABOUT)

I agree, Glen can be stubborn, or sound arrogant at times, but he is so excited to find new ways of helping the industry grow.
Glen lives in his truck to work on pool tables, now how much love for pool tables is that?????

He don't care about the money, he cares more of the customers being happy, and saying wow that's a great job.

Glen really is a good guy, and has thought me more in the last year than I could have ever imagined.
I don't want to offend anyone here, and I'm not on anyones side, I just think what Glen is trying to share may not be for everyone, so let's all try to help the industry together, and when he post something, he truly from his heart is only trying to show something in a good manor, not to show look at me.

Working on tables day after day really get old when you go out and recover a table that some guy did before, charged $80 and screwed the table up so badly, you just want to scream. Guy's like Glen stay and fix all the problems and don't charge any extra.

There are a lot of us that do this for customers, but Glen posts his work for the other mechanics to see and learn from.

He's not looking for praise, he looking to make people aware, and not get ripped off by people posing as top mechanics.

There are a lot of pool table mechanics out their, some good, some not so good, but if the public is made aware of the good and bad, well there would be a lot more work for the really good ones.

Hope everyone has a great day, and hope we can all set are own pride aside and appreciate others hard work.

Mark Gregory

PoolTable911
03-02-2010, 02:53 PM
I've played on a lot of tables in a lot of places. I've played in Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Bahrain, and too many states in the states to mention.

I've played on tables done by RKC, and they play nicely. I played on the killer table at Dave's place near Seattle, The golden Ram or whatever. A diamond with 4" pockets and I was one of the few who got to play nineball on it too.

I liked it better than most diamonds I've played on...

But I have to say that hands down, the best table I've played on was a tight Gold Crown done by Ernesto and while I've been out of the mechanic business for a long time, and wouldn't compare myself to Ernesto or RKC, I used to redo tables all the time back in the day when me and a buddy who owned the pool hall I worked at started a business selling and delivering pool tables in the inland empire.

The only other thing I'll say is that it isn't all that telling what a customer thinks of the job you do in any business.

I've known carpet layers, painters, fram builders and woodworkers who had customers that thought they were the absolute shit, but they weren't all that special.

Just look at cue builders, there are a lot of cue builders out there that have loyal customers, but if you really want to know how good a cue maker is, ask the other cuemakers...

And believe me, the best of a given trade may know they're the best, but you'll rarely hear them say that they are the best, and you will definitely hear others say they are the best. If the peanut gallery of table mechanics aren't jumping up to say Glen is the best, then one of two things is the case, either his self indulgent attitude makes it so they don't want to, or he isn't and just has an inflated opinion of himself.

I'm not in a position to say which is the case because I'm not a great table mechanic, but I think that Glen could go a long way to reducing the negativity with an attitude adjustment.

I"ve had to adjust my attitude in many respects over my short life and I feel it has made me a better person and more likeable and it has definitely made me a happier person.

I just hope Glen finds a way to be a little less callous towards other mechanics and a little less self agrandizing.

Jaden

p.s. the way Glen responds to this post may not be very telling of how good a mechanic he is, but it is definitely telling of what type of character he has.


Jaden,
Very good post. I am a table mechanic who has been in the industry for 18 + years. I've been around dozens of other guys in our trade. My inspiration in becoming a mechanic came from watching the late, great Al Conte work on tables in my pool room. He was an incredible man and top notch mechanic. Always willing to share his knowlage with others. Spent countless hours just talking with him.
Glen does have an arogance about him. And it can rub some people the wrong way. He has a big heart & will give 100% attention to anyone who calls on him without hesitation at anytime day or night. I know this because I have called him day & night. Without ever meeting me he has helped me through problems over the phone. I finally met him in Alsip, Il. for the mechanics seminar. Myself and the crew I went out with learned alot in a short amount of time. Little tricks here and there. He did not charge anyone.
I know there are other great mechanics out there. Mark Gregory, Ernesto D, Jay Spielberg, Shane Johnson, Donny Wessels etc... But right now Glen has stepped forward to try and bring a group together. He may need to tone it down a notch, but his work is that good. I just wanted to give you a "peanut gallery" point of view. :wink:

realkingcobra
03-02-2010, 04:43 PM
Jaden, Hu, and the rest of you that think I only beat my own drum, you guys don't really know anything about me or what I'm all about. But maybe these next 4 pictures will give you some insight as to why I'm not worried about being the worlds BEST mechanic, as it seems that's what you guys are hung up on.

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Do any of you know who that is working on the pool table?????????? His name is Clark, and he's the OWNER of Malarkey's Pool & Brew in Tacoma, WA. He asked me if I'd teach him how to work on his own tables so he wouldn't have to hire the mechanics in this area to work on them anymore. Not only am I NOT charging him to learn how to recover his own tables....I'M PAYING HIM $100 A TABLE FOR THE WORK HE'S LEARNING HOW TO DO, ON HIS OWN TABLES!!

Yeah guys, I'm really hung up on myself right, stick that in your pipes and smoke it!

Glen, the "Realkingcobra"

mullyman
03-02-2010, 05:03 PM
Who said you can't work on tables other than Diamond? Whoever said it must have meant that you can't work on other tables because you are employed by Diamond. If they meant that you don't know how to work on anything other than Diamond tables then they're flat out retarded. A pool table is a pool table. It doesn't matter what brand name is on it. There may be different parts at different places but saying you don't know how to work on anything other than a Diamond, to me, is like saying a Ford mechanic wouldn't know how to work on a Chevy. It's just stupid.
MULLY
great job on the table BTW

Jaden
03-02-2010, 05:04 PM
Jaden, Hu, and the rest of you that think I only beat my own drum, you guys don't really know anything about me or what I'm all about. But maybe these next 4 pictures will give you some insight as to why I'm not worried about being the worlds BEST mechanic, as it seems that's what you guys are hung up on.

128134

128135

128136

128137

Do any of you know who that is working on the pool table?????????? His name is Clark, and he's the OWNER of Malarkey's Pool & Brew in Tacoma, WA. He asked me if I'd teach him how to work on his own tables so he wouldn't have to hire the mechanics in this area to work on them anymore. Not only am I NOT charging him to learn how to recover his own tables....I'M PAYING HIM $100 A TABLE FOR THE WORK HE'S LEARNING HOW TO DO, ON HIS OWN TABLES!!

Yeah guys, I'm really hung up on myself right, stick that in your pipes and smoke it!

Glen, the "Realkingcobra"

Glen, If you look in the threads where people have talked about your work, you'll see that I've always defended your quality of work. I've always talked good about your work. Even in this last post that you obviously took offense to, I was talking good about your work. The problem I have is not with your work. It's with the attitude that you put out.

Don't talk down about other mechanics. Especially one as respected and loved as Ernesto. It's just not right. If your work is so good, and according to many it is, and your knowledge is soo great, which many seem to proclaim it is, then there is not a need to talk down about other people's work. There's not a need to state that you're going to change the industry, who the hell are you to change the industry?

I can understand if you were to say something like, I'm working with some of the top mechanics in the industry to try and standardize pool table mechanics practices. But to say, "I'm going to change the industry so we don't have so many incompetent people doing crazy things" Is just self aggrandizing and comes off as petty and ridiculous. You don't have the power to control the industry and I"m not sure many would like it if you did.

Now, if you were to start a nationwide mechanics coporation and try to take over the industry then that's a different story, but from what has been stated by a couple of your customers it doesn't seem you have the business accumen to pull it off. If you can, more power to you.

All of your bad mouthing in the world isn't going to change the number of people who like the way Ernesto's tables play and it just makes you look petty and dumb.

So you don't like that he uses k66 cushions on brunswicks, whooptee dooo.

I don't like the idea of sport tae kwan do over traditional, all my wanting in the world isn't going to stop the millions who practice sport tae kwan do because it isn't going to take away the reason that people like sport tae kwan do.

You're not going to be able to take away the reason that people like playing on tables redone by Ernesto, so why do you continue to dog him and his work?

Just focus on doing the job the way you want and keep your mouth shut and life will go soo much smoother for you. That was a hard lesson for me to learn and it's finally sunk its teeth in. I hope for your sake that you can do the same.

Jaden

realkingcobra
03-02-2010, 05:41 PM
Glen, If you look in the threads where people have talked about your work, you'll see that I've always defended your quality of work. I've always talked good about your work. Even in this last post that you obviously took offense to, I was talking good about your work. The problem I have is not with your work. It's with the attitude that you put out.

Don't talk down about other mechanics. Especially one as respected and loved as Ernesto. It's just not right. If your work is so good, and according to many it is, and your knowledge is soo great, which many seem to proclaim it is, then there is not a need to talk down about other people's work. There's not a need to state that you're going to change the industry, who the hell are you to change the industry?

I can understand if you were to say something like, I'm working with some of the top mechanics in the industry to try and standardize pool table mechanics practices. But to say, "I'm going to change the industry so we don't have so many incompetent people doing crazy things" Is just self aggrandizing and comes off as petty and ridiculous. You don't have the power to control the industry and I"m not sure many would like it if you did.

Now, if you were to start a nationwide mechanics coporation and try to take over the industry then that's a different story, but from what has been stated by a couple of your customers it doesn't seem you have the business accumen to pull it off. If you can, more power to you.

All of your bad mouthing in the world isn't going to change the number of people who like the way Ernesto's tables play and it just makes you look petty and dumb.

So you don't like that he uses k66 cushions on brunswicks, whooptee dooo.

I don't like the idea of sport tae kwan do over traditional, all my wanting in the world isn't going to stop the millions who practice sport tae kwan do because it isn't going to take away the reason that people like sport tae kwan do.

You're not going to be able to take away the reason that people like playing on tables redone by Ernesto, so why do you continue to dog him and his work?

Just focus on doing the job the way you want and keep your mouth shut and life will go soo much smoother for you. That was a hard lesson for me to learn and it's finally sunk its teeth in. I hope for your sake that you can do the same.

Jaden

Jaden, I've never in my wildest dreams thought I could change the industry by myself, yes...it starts with the mechanics, AND the table manufactures, as well as cushion and cloth manufactures. And to bring about that change, it takes awareness. It take more than someone standing up and yelling..."this is wrong, and so is that"....because at the same time, you have to provide answers as to WHY this or that is wrong, as well as solutions to the wrong, THAT way the industry can not only see what is wrong, but how to fix it. And THAT is how you change this industry...for the better. You have to start from the bottom and work your way up, and that's what I've been doing, working my way up. But, not without drawing some attention, because it takes the customers to also be a part of this change, as they're the ones who are going to have to buy into this change....since they're the ones that keep this industry employed, but believe me when I tell you...they're tired of getting screwed over....by the LACK of change....for the better.

Glen

Donny Wessels
03-02-2010, 05:58 PM
I'm a student of Glen's. I have to say he's by far the best mechanic that I've seen. Because of Glen, I'm doing things now, that I only dreamed of doing a few years ago.

perfectpocketz
03-02-2010, 06:38 PM
Glen has figured news ways of doing tables that has and will change many of the old ways of doing things.
The gluing of the cloth on tables that are manufactured for staples, a year ago when I heard of this method....I thought to myself, no way will I ever do something like that on a Brunswick table.

Well, new year, and new method for me....the cloth goes on tighter....less shadows on the pull......the pockets are cleaner.
The french fold he came up with to finish the pockets, is just an awesome look......everyone loves the look on home tables.

Just like the players today are better.....they have more knowledge of the game, and of how a table should play.
Glen has found a way to put cushions on any table....any cushion, and make that cushion play the way it was designed to play.

I'm not going to go into just what he does....with the special tooling he designed for the job, but I have the same tooling,he had me make, and trust me....wow what a job it does on the tables.

Ernesto is a great guy...top mechanic, and friend of mine for years...but somethings are changing, and we need to stay on top of the change.

The glue we use for cushions....for cloth.....for slate....the finished pockets.
Change is good when it's for the better, and all the changes Glen has come up with are for the better.

Tables are going to be changing a lot of things in the future....with help from Glen, myself, and a lot of other mechanics.
Glen tells me everyday he can't do it all by himself, he needs the help of other mechanics.

The cushions are going to play better for everyone on any table....if we can get the change recognized by the manufactures.
As for the older tables...GC 1-2-3...and the old oak diamonds....this new tooling Glen has come up with will put the cushions in the perfect position for the max play of the tables.

Glen is on the right track, and I stand with him on the changes needed to take place.

GLEN IS A GREAT MECHANIC AND LOVES HIS JOB!!!!!!!!

Mark Gregory

jay helfert
03-02-2010, 06:44 PM
Jaden, Hu, and the rest of you that think I only beat my own drum, you guys don't really know anything about me or what I'm all about. But maybe these next 4 pictures will give you some insight as to why I'm not worried about being the worlds BEST mechanic, as it seems that's what you guys are hung up on.

128134

128135

128136

128137

Do any of you know who that is working on the pool table?????????? His name is Clark, and he's the OWNER of Malarkey's Pool & Brew in Tacoma, WA. He asked me if I'd teach him how to work on his own tables so he wouldn't have to hire the mechanics in this area to work on them anymore. Not only am I NOT charging him to learn how to recover his own tables....I'M PAYING HIM $100 A TABLE FOR THE WORK HE'S LEARNING HOW TO DO, ON HIS OWN TABLES!!

Yeah guys, I'm really hung up on myself right, stick that in your pipes and smoke it!

Glen, the "Realkingcobra"

That's not Clark! That's Todd Brunson the poker player. He went broke playing poker and now has to repair tables to make ends meet. :eek:

JUST KIDDING Clark, aka Clark The Shark!

realkingcobra
03-02-2010, 08:48 PM
That's not Clark! That's Todd Brunson the poker player. He went broke playing poker and now has to repair tables to make ends meet. :eek:

JUST KIDDING Clark, aka Clark The Shark!

Well, Clark aka the Shark:p got the bed cloth on tight as hell, just like it's suppose to be, and perfect I might add....with a little more practice he'll be doing them on his own soon enough.

BUT, he has to learn which end of the razor knife to stay away from when he's trimming the excess cloth off the rails....so he won't CUT his thumb:D I told him...watch out or you'll cut yourself....his reply was, "to late, I already did"....and off he went looking for something to stop the bleeding:grin-devilish: he didn't lose more than a pint of blood I don't think:sorry:

So, we're back at it again tomorrow.

Glen

Mikjary
03-02-2010, 09:44 PM
2 words...duct tape.:grin-square:

realkingcobra
03-02-2010, 10:09 PM
2 words...duct tape.:grin-square:

naaa...SUPER GLUE!:rotflmao1:

scratchs
03-02-2010, 11:01 PM
Glen

What is your standard charge for a 8' drop pocket? Just to cover the bed and recover the rails..although I am thinking about tighting the pockets up..I have a old hausen..it is the remington edition..

realkingcobra
03-02-2010, 11:05 PM
Glen

What is your standard charge for a 8' drop pocket? Just to cover the bed and recover the rails..although I am thinking about tighting the pockets up..I have a old hausen..it is the remington edition..

That depends on where you're at vs where I'm at:D But my normal starting labor is $300 plus materials, but...if it's in the backyard of one of the mechanic's I work with, I may come and watch the work being done, but I'd rather not take work from someone else, hope you understand:)

Glen

scratchs
03-02-2010, 11:28 PM
Glen

I understand..I usually have Jim L of the Cue ball do my work..I have bought from him for years..I was just wondering,I liked the pics of your work..

scratchs
03-02-2010, 11:30 PM
Sorry..I am in Salem,Or

Milo
03-02-2010, 11:55 PM
naaa...SUPER GLUE!:rotflmao1:

Clark is quite good with super glue. It comes from all the cue work he's done.
Larry

pyle26
03-03-2010, 12:58 AM
[QUOTE=realkingcobra;2301459]That depends on where you're at vs where I'm at:D But my normal starting labor is $300 plus materials, but...if it's in the backyard of one of the mechanic's I work with, I may come and watch the work being done, but I'd rather not take work from someone else, hope you understand:)

Glen[/QUOTE

Club Billiards
03-03-2010, 01:02 AM
Don't talk down about other mechanics.

...

I can understand if you were to say something like, I'm working with some of the top mechanics in the industry to try and standardize pool table mechanics practices. But to say, "I'm going to change the industry so we don't have so many incompetent people doing crazy things" Is just self aggrandizing and comes off as petty and ridiculous. You don't have the power to control the industry and I"m not sure many would like it if you did.

...

Jaden

Here's some pictures of some "crazy things" done by some "incompetent people"

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k261/drums666/Absolute%20Billiard%20Service/Hardtimes%20Billiards%20030210/CornerBefore2.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k261/drums666/Absolute%20Billiard%20Service/Hardtimes%20Billiards%20030210/CornerFacing.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k261/drums666/Absolute%20Billiard%20Service/Hardtimes%20Billiards%20030210/Corner-Before1.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k261/drums666/Absolute%20Billiard%20Service/Hardtimes%20Billiards%20030210/CornerRubber2.jpg

For those of you that don't know what you're looking at, that is brand new Artemis Intercontinental 66 just installed on a Diamond Professional. The "incompetent person" that did this has actually been in the table business for about 30 years and should be very competent. It looks like he could have chewed the end of the rubber off and left it more flush to the rail than that!

Yeah, Glen comes off as an ass sometimes if you don't know him and know where he's coming from. It's because of working with him though that I have the knowledge and reputation to come in and repair this kind of work. Glen absolutely does raise the bar in this industry, and I believe he honestly does know more than anyone else out there. At least anyone I've ever had the pleasure to work with. He goes WAY out of his way to help improve the knowledge and talent in this industry, and in my opinion is affecting it more than anyone right now.

But hey, what do I know. I'm just part of the "peanut gallery" ;)

Quesports
03-03-2010, 07:11 AM
Every picture tells a story, and a good picture is worth a thousand words. The above pics would be a terrific before and after for Glen. Hey Glen just some food for thought!
Take Care,
Dan

KoolKat9Lives
03-03-2010, 07:50 AM
It's apparent Glen isn't going to change his attitude, so we can like it or lump it. I can easily accept his perceived arrogance, and if in his presence I'd needle him if and when it came out.

I don't understand why people focus on the smaller picture and can't be more accepting. Doesn't his intent radiate brightly enough? He isn't commiting a crime and he's not asking you to like him.

The man is good for pool and I applaud his continuing contributions.

ShootingArts
03-03-2010, 08:16 AM
Glen,

In the last few days you have proclaimed yourself to be the greatest table mechanic you have ever seen and to know more than all of the table manufacturers in the industry. I'm more than a little skeptical of both claims since you have proudly put some crappy fixes you did on these forums. You do some things that are quality, some that are crap. The funny thing is that you don't know the difference between the two! That is what makes your arrogance so funny. If Glen did it, it has to be WUNNERFULL!! All bow down and admire his brilliance. Reminds me of a sheet metal man I remember admiring his own work. "Let's see them match that!" He was right, nobody was likely to "match" it, it was crappy work and just flat wrong in concept to begin with.

Most people outgrow your attitude by the time they are in their early twenties but of course you have all the other teenage ideas too, that nothing you do is wrong, everything is somebody else's fault, and when you get in a bind somebody else should bail you out. Oh yeah, and that you are going to turn the world upside down, soon! This all sounds familiar, I raised three teenagers. The difference between them and you is that they all grew up.

Hu

ShootingArts
03-03-2010, 08:29 AM
It's apparent Glen isn't going to change his attitude, so we can like it or lump it. I can easily accept his perceived arrogance, and if in his presence I'd needle him if and when it came out.

I don't understand why people focus on the smaller picture and can't be more accepting. Doesn't his intent radiate brightly enough? He isn't commiting a crime and he's not asking you to like him.

The man is good for pool and I applaud his continuing contributions.


I ignore most of his foolishness. He chose to revive this old thread from when he was acting like a huge jackass in many of the posts he made. Do a search of his threads and see when is the last time I posted into one besides this one saying anything at all to him. Had somebody not asked about my old posts here I would have ignored this one too even though I am still subscribed to it and was aware when it was revived.

When I see the things he does right I think that is nice, some of the other things, well, I just shake my head and grin. Even his gluing method that "everyone" seems to love, some folks that see the glue line start showing through the cloth along the rail where the balls run on it all the time aren't that crazy about his gluing method.

Hu

KoolKat9Lives
03-03-2010, 08:47 AM
I ignore most of his foolishness. He chose to revive this old thread from when he was acting like a huge jackass in many of the posts he made. Do a search of his threads and see when is the last time I posted into one besides this one saying anything at all to him. Had somebody not asked about my old posts here I would have ignored this one too even though I am still subscribed to it and was aware when it was revived.

When I see the things he does right I think that is nice, some of the other things, well, I just shake my head and grin. Even his gluing method that "everyone" seems to love, some folks that see the glue line start showing through the cloth along the rail where the balls run on it all the time aren't that crazy about his gluing method.

Hu

You've questioned his glue method, his use of roofing nails under the 4 feet, and his use of a wood strip in the french fold.

Anyone else here care to offer a critique on these procedures?

I've no ulterior motive in asking these questions. I'd simply like to know.

Thanks,

Matt

Donny Wessels
03-03-2010, 08:51 AM
I ignore most of his foolishness. He chose to revive this old thread from when he was acting like a huge jackass in many of the posts he made. Do a search of his threads and see when is the last time I posted into one besides this one saying anything at all to him. Had somebody not asked about my old posts here I would have ignored this one too even though I am still subscribed to it and was aware when it was revived.

When I see the things he does right I think that is nice, some of the other things, well, I just shake my head and grin. Even his gluing method that "everyone" seems to love, some folks that see the glue line start showing through the cloth along the rail where the balls run on it all the time aren't that crazy about his gluing method.

Hu


your confusing Glen's glue method with the spray glue method. With Glen's method the glue is on the side of the slate. Not the top and 3.5" from the playing field.

Jaden
03-03-2010, 09:11 AM
Here's some pictures of some "crazy things" done by some "incompetent people"

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k261/drums666/Absolute%20Billiard%20Service/Hardtimes%20Billiards%20030210/CornerBefore2.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k261/drums666/Absolute%20Billiard%20Service/Hardtimes%20Billiards%20030210/CornerFacing.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k261/drums666/Absolute%20Billiard%20Service/Hardtimes%20Billiards%20030210/Corner-Before1.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k261/drums666/Absolute%20Billiard%20Service/Hardtimes%20Billiards%20030210/CornerRubber2.jpg

For those of you that don't know what you're looking at, that is brand new Artemis Intercontinental 66 just installed on a Diamond Professional. The "incompetent person" that did this has actually been in the table business for about 30 years and should be very competent. It looks like he could have chewed the end of the rubber off and left it more flush to the rail than that!

Yeah, Glen comes off as an ass sometimes if you don't know him and know where he's coming from. It's because of working with him though that I have the knowledge and reputation to come in and repair this kind of work. Glen absolutely does raise the bar in this industry, and I believe he honestly does know more than anyone else out there. At least anyone I've ever had the pleasure to work with. He goes WAY out of his way to help improve the knowledge and talent in this industry, and in my opinion is affecting it more than anyone right now.

But hey, what do I know. I'm just part of the "peanut gallery" ;)

I can't see those pictures while at work, but I'll take your word on it that they're bad.

Unfortunately, the peanut gallery can't be people who were taught BY glen, that would make you a tad bit biased.

In order to know if other mechanics think Glen is the best, it would have to be those taught by others or self taught, that are considered some of the best in the business in their own right.

I honestly don't think that we could get an unbiased viewpoint from them either, because many of them have been either directly bashed by Glen, or have been inferred by Glen to be "lower quality". So we are unfortunately stucj in a zen riddle or catch 22.

Any of the mechanics out there that DO support Glen and that are or were trained by him can't be unbiased and it seems that Glen has ostricised the majority of the remaining top mechanics with his abrasive manner.

So my illustration of knowing who the best in a given industry is can't really apply here.

Is that to say that Glen isn't a damn good mechanic? No.

I put K66 rails on my custom, but fortunately, it was meant for K66 rails, but what's funny is that I've built tables from scratch and I prefer K66 rails for any table. I don't understand how someone can say that this is the only way to do it, and I want to make it so no one does it any other way.

The arrogance of that statement is just disgusting, it reminds me of liberals who say that the populace doesn't know what's best for them and I do, so we have to do what the populace doesn't want because it's best for them.

Screw what's best for me in glen's eyes. I'll play on what I feel plays best.

Now I am aware that appears to contradict what I said about knowing who the best mechanic is, but not really.

The way a cue plays or a table plays is subjective and different people are going to prefer different things.

I personally don't like the way the rails bounce on most diamonds I have played on, I find it difficult to get transfered spin to work, and they don't bounce how you would expect.

I have also ran into GCs that don't bounce the way I expect. The vast majority of the GCs I;ve played on played better to me than the diamonds, although nothing can beat the way a diamond rolls true, atleast the one piece slate models, although I did once redo a nine foot turn of the century brunswick that had a 1 3/4" one piece slate (took six of us to move the fuecker), that would rival any table, although the sloping legs made shooting from some positions ackward.

I hate using glue, but some mechanics love it. I hated it mostly because of having to clean it off the slates to redo the table. Some tables that we did, we had to use glue because the slates didn't have a wood backing.

we made some tables by hand from scratch and in some ways they were better than the majority of the tables out there, but I would've never stated that we were the best table manufacturer and that I had to change the way other table manufacturers did business. Take that shit to communist china or something, these teeth are meant to cut meat not chop carrots you silly faggot (little bit of humor thrown in). Do a good job in a free market and you'll get rewarded.

The biggest complaints I've heard is on the time it takes to get Glen to come out and following through on what has been done.

Glen, expand and you won't have that problem.

hire five or ten people and spend a couple of months teaching them the right way to do tables according to Glen and put yourself out into the market, instead of focusing on YOUR name and you being the best put it into a company name so that you aren't limited and see what the market will bear. Hell, with the demand you seem to get, I'd be willing to put a corporation together for you and work out the kinks of the logistics.

I'm not against you Glen, I just think that your professionalism could use some adjustment.

Jaden

UrackmIcrackm
03-03-2010, 10:29 AM
Jaden you've come a long way young man. :wink:

ShootingArts
03-03-2010, 11:15 AM
your confusing Glen's glue method with the spray glue method. With Glen's method the glue is on the side of the slate. Not the top and 3.5" from the playing field.

One of these is a table that Glen did recently with the roll on glue. The guy that told me about this particular one is a friend of Glen's. Perhaps the friend was lying out of the blue but I'm a bit skeptical of that since he is a well known member here and well respected. I've known him several years myself. This would be the first time he was known to lie in many posts and many dealings on this site. I don't object to gluing on cloth, just the method Glen has used fairly recently unless we conclude that his friend chose to lie about Glen and his work.

Hu

Milo
03-03-2010, 11:30 AM
I just recently met Glen a couple weeks ago at Malarkeys. Malarkeys has been the room I play in for 15 years. I cant tell you how happy I was Clark decided to hire Glen, and also learn from him. (Clark has always been a pretty smart guy) I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about table mechanics, but what I can say is the tables Glen and Clark have finished play FANTASTIC!!!!!!.
It makes me very proud that Malarkeys will again be one of the rooms in the Pacific NW with the best playing tables!!!!!!!!

Thats it. Thats all I wanted to say.
As far as the "debating" on this thread. Im out. I like Hu and Glen.
Life is waaaay to short imo. :wink:

PS. My first impression of Glen. His passion for his work shines very bright.
I was impressed. Nice guy too.

Chi2dxa
03-03-2010, 11:32 AM
Glen, you are indeed the best that I have ever seen so please please please pretty please with 860 on top keep up the post because I never get tired of looking a perfection. I am not a mechanic I know talent when I see it and I always wondered how you got that Shirt Collar look on the pockets and now I know. Now the next thing that is on my list to wonder about is how you get glue to hold down your cloth man that really preys on my mind. Any way keep up the good work and keep the post coming.

Chi2dxa (The last of the Jedi Knights)

Donny Wessels
03-03-2010, 01:37 PM
One of these is a table that Glen did recently with the roll on glue. The guy that told me about this particular one is a friend of Glen's. Perhaps the friend was lying out of the blue but I'm a bit skeptical of that since he is a well known member here and well respected. I've known him several years myself. This would be the first time he was known to lie in many posts and many dealings on this site. I don't object to gluing on cloth, just the method Glen has used fairly recently unless we conclude that his friend chose to lie about Glen and his work.

Hu

Okay, I believe you now. thanks for informing me that I also put glue on top of the slates.

realkingcobra
03-03-2010, 01:44 PM
One of these is a table that Glen did recently with the roll on glue. The guy that told me about this particular one is a friend of Glen's. Perhaps the friend was lying out of the blue but I'm a bit skeptical of that since he is a well known member here and well respected. I've known him several years myself. This would be the first time he was known to lie in many posts and many dealings on this site. I don't object to gluing on cloth, just the method Glen has used fairly recently unless we conclude that his friend chose to lie about Glen and his work.

Hu

Hu, take a look at where Clark is rolling out the glue in the pictures I provided, do you see him putting any glue on the top side of the slate? I just love the "he said, she said" comments by your "friend"....digging a little deep on this one aren't you?

Glen

Dartman
03-03-2010, 02:50 PM
You've questioned his glue method, his use of roofing nails under the 4 feet, and his use of a wood strip in the french fold.

Anyone else here care to offer a critique on these procedures?
I've no ulterior motive in asking these questions. I'd simply like to know.
Thanks,
Matt

The 3M-10 adhesive gives a stronger bond then spray adhesive (3M77/90) which many mechanics including myself have used for years. I've been using 3M-10 since I was introduced to it a year ago. As an aside, adhesive of any type is applied to the slate edge, not the slate top although some may get up there from inadvertant overspray but it presents no problem.

The wood coaster w/roofing nails is an excellent way to prevent carpet indentation marks from the table legs. Surprised nobody else ever thought of this easy fix.

The french folds in the pockets use plastic straping tape, not wood, to give the pockets a clean and finished look. The wood strips you may have seen were to build out the slate liners to be flush with the vertical slate edge. These are both methods I now use as required.

I've also learned a slight modification to installing cloth on the slate which makes finishing off the pocket cuts much easier.

I could go on with some other tips but I'll just add that NOBODY else has freely posted better ways to do various aspects of table work. My hat is off to Glen as a leader looking to share better practices for table mechanics and set standards that table owners should demand rather then accept hack work.

pocketpared
03-03-2010, 11:52 PM
I always like RKC's posts because they're loaded with photos of his good work. He has a right to be proud, everything looks perfect and from the testimonials it sounds like he's the real deal. The tables play as good as they look.

Hu meanwhile generally makes pretty interesting, sensible, levelheaded posts. I can't see him being on the wrong end of a conflict. So it's hard to figure out how these two could come to be fighting. It gives me FEELINGS OF SAD.

Hard as it is to believe, an RKC table plays better than it looks. And they look unbelievable. Ask anyone he did a table for.

btw..I lmao at the haters. What thing are you the best there is at? Other than jealousy?

Teddydog
03-04-2010, 08:53 AM
Gotta love morons who love the sound of their own voice... Hey, dipschitt, ALL GOLD CROWNS have a crown in the slate... That's what happens to 50 year old tables... The trick is to know how to get those slates level, too... Usually with shims..

Maybe that's why you have a reputation for not being able to put together anything but a crappy one piece slate table that could never play as well as a Gold Crown..

Anyone can put together a table with a perfect slate... LOL, I mean we did land on the moon, and that was 40 years ago, dummy!..

Club Billiards
03-04-2010, 09:16 AM
Gotta love morons who love the sound of their own voice... Hey, dipschitt, ALL GOLD CROWNS have a crown in the slate... That's what happens to 50 year old tables... The trick is to know how to get those slates level, too... Usually with shims..

Maybe that's why you have a reputation for not being able to put together anything but a crappy one piece slate table that could never play as well as a Gold Crown..

Anyone can put together a table with a perfect slate... LOL, I mean we did land on the moon, and that was 40 years ago, dummy!..

Seriously? You should have a clue before you talk "schitt" about other people. Can you explain how you would fix a crown by shimming? I wish all you know-it-alls would check your ego before stepping to the experts. Oh, sorry, I mean the peanut gallery.

Teddydog
03-04-2010, 09:22 AM
Seriously? You should have a clue before you talk "schitt" about other people. Can you explain how you would fix a crown by shimming? I wish all you know-it-alls would check your ego before stepping to the experts. Oh, sorry, I mean the peanut gallery.

LOL... "Check my ego?"... I was replying to king ego himself... Listen, dummy... There are literally thousands of people who know how to put a pool table together, properly... What you do is nothing special... Quit acting like it is..

Club Billiards
03-04-2010, 09:40 AM
I can't see those pictures while at work, but I'll take your word on it that they're bad.

Unfortunately, the peanut gallery can't be people who were taught BY glen, that would make you a tad bit biased.

In order to know if other mechanics think Glen is the best, it would have to be those taught by others or self taught, that are considered some of the best in the business in their own right.

I honestly don't think that we could get an unbiased viewpoint from them either, because many of them have been either directly bashed by Glen, or have been inferred by Glen to be "lower quality". So we are unfortunately stucj in a zen riddle or catch 22.

Any of the mechanics out there that DO support Glen and that are or were trained by him can't be unbiased and it seems that Glen has ostricised the majority of the remaining top mechanics with his abrasive manner.

So my illustration of knowing who the best in a given industry is can't really apply here.

Is that to say that Glen isn't a damn good mechanic? No.

I put K66 rails on my custom, but fortunately, it was meant for K66 rails, but what's funny is that I've built tables from scratch and I prefer K66 rails for any table. I don't understand how someone can say that this is the only way to do it, and I want to make it so no one does it any other way.

The arrogance of that statement is just disgusting, it reminds me of liberals who say that the populace doesn't know what's best for them and I do, so we have to do what the populace doesn't want because it's best for them.

Screw what's best for me in glen's eyes. I'll play on what I feel plays best.

Now I am aware that appears to contradict what I said about knowing who the best mechanic is, but not really.

The way a cue plays or a table plays is subjective and different people are going to prefer different things.

I personally don't like the way the rails bounce on most diamonds I have played on, I find it difficult to get transfered spin to work, and they don't bounce how you would expect.

I have also ran into GCs that don't bounce the way I expect. The vast majority of the GCs I;ve played on played better to me than the diamonds, although nothing can beat the way a diamond rolls true, atleast the one piece slate models, although I did once redo a nine foot turn of the century brunswick that had a 1 3/4" one piece slate (took six of us to move the fuecker), that would rival any table, although the sloping legs made shooting from some positions ackward.

I hate using glue, but some mechanics love it. I hated it mostly because of having to clean it off the slates to redo the table. Some tables that we did, we had to use glue because the slates didn't have a wood backing.

we made some tables by hand from scratch and in some ways they were better than the majority of the tables out there, but I would've never stated that we were the best table manufacturer and that I had to change the way other table manufacturers did business. Take that shit to communist china or something, these teeth are meant to cut meat not chop carrots you silly faggot (little bit of humor thrown in). Do a good job in a free market and you'll get rewarded.

The biggest complaints I've heard is on the time it takes to get Glen to come out and following through on what has been done.

Glen, expand and you won't have that problem.

hire five or ten people and spend a couple of months teaching them the right way to do tables according to Glen and put yourself out into the market, instead of focusing on YOUR name and you being the best put it into a company name so that you aren't limited and see what the market will bear. Hell, with the demand you seem to get, I'd be willing to put a corporation together for you and work out the kinks of the logistics.

I'm not against you Glen, I just think that your professionalism could use some adjustment.

Jaden

Wow. You criticize us for being trained by Glen, then in the same post say he should expand and hire more people? I was personally taught by a room owner's installer about 10 years ago. He's one of the thousands TeddyDog is referring to that can install a table. What TD doesn't realize is there's really a pretty small percentage that do what we do "properly" as he says while in the midst of name-calling people he knows nothing about.

It wasn't hard with a little common sense to figure out that the idiot that was training me took short cuts and the job could be done better.

After he left town, I was trained by the room owner himself who had been working on tables for 20 years at the time. He does good work and takes pride in it, but does it the way 95% of the people in the coutry do it.

After learning from him, I took the lead of his install crew. Once out on the road myself, I tweaked and learned on my own for a few years.

So for 10 years, I've been trained by a stone cold idiot, trained by someone who takes pride in their work, and self taught. At that point, I thought I was pretty good at my job. Then I worked along side Glen. His methods are better, and his results are better, and not just because he says so. I know enough about my trade to form my own opinion about what I like.

Calling me biased for preferring those methods and results is like calling a Lamborghini owner biased for preferring them because they drove one. I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly, and I don't appreciate being criticized for preferring the best I've seen.

Teddydog
03-04-2010, 09:53 AM
I know everybody, dipschitt... I've only been doing this for 20 years!..

Club Billiards
03-04-2010, 10:01 AM
I know everybody, dipschitt... I've only been doing this for 20 years!..

The guy that had done the work in the pictures I posted has been working on tables for 30 years, so that means nothing.

You can sing the alphabet song for 20 years. That doesn't mean you can write best-selling novels.

Jaden
03-04-2010, 10:03 AM
Wow. You criticize us for being trained by Glen, then in the same post say he should expand and hire more people? I was personally taught by a room owner's installer about 10 years ago. He's one of the thousands TeddyDog is referring to that can install a table. What TD doesn't realize is there's really a pretty small percentage that do what we do "properly" as he says while in the midst of name-calling people he knows nothing about.

It wasn't hard with a little common sense to figure out that the idiot that was training me took short cuts and the job could be done better.

After he left town, I was trained by the room owner himself who had been working on tables for 20 years at the time. He does good work and takes pride in it, but does it the way 95% of the people in the coutry do it.

After learning from him, I took the lead of his install crew. Once out on the road myself, I tweaked and learned on my own for a few years.

So for 10 years, I've been trained by a stone cold idiot, trained by someone who takes pride in their work, and self taught. At that point, I thought I was pretty good at my job. Then I worked along side Glen. His methods are better, and his results are better, and not just because he says so. I know enough about my trade to form my own opinion about what I like.

Calling me biased for preferring those methods and results is like calling a Lamborghini owner biased for preferring them because they drove one. I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly, and I don't appreciate being criticized for preferring the best I've seen.


Firstly, I didn't ciriticize you or anyone that has been taught by Glen, I stated that someone stating that Glen is the best after being taught by him would have to be taken with a grain of salt.

To use your illustration, If a designer of Lamborghinis was asked what the best car was, you would expect him to say lamborghinis. If someone who was trained as a mechanic on Lamborghinis by that designer, you would expect them to say that he is the best designer.

It's not a matter of criticizing you, I'm just stating the obvious fact that you would be biased in giving a fair appraisal of his skill.

I have NEVER stated that Glen isn't skilled, nor have I said that his methods aren't good, nor have I even stated that he ISN'T the best mechanic.

What I have stated is that his attitude isn't right and I will stand by that till the end. This isn't boxing, or MMA or WWF, you don't need to call out your competition as a way of getting inside their head or drumming up interest.

Besides which, you're likely to lose more business than you gain by using that tactic. Does that mean he'll lose enough business from employing that tactic to put him out of business??? NO....

There's always people who will choose aesthetics over substance, or a better way of putting it would be the end results over an eccentric attitude.

I, personally, am willing to pay more and get less from someone with a good attitude than someone with a bad one, someone who has shown good business practices over someone who shows bad ones.

I am an amatuer car mechanic and do most of my own work. But I have recently found an honest mechanic who doesn't overcharge or make up bogus stuff wrong with the car. I could probably find someone who's a better mechanic or do most things myself, but I will go to him in some cases where I could've done it myself or when I have to wait for him to be able to do it.

Not because he charges less or is the best mechanic, but because I can trust him and his professionalism is beyond question.

If he talked down about other mechanics, I wouldn't use him. If I go to the BEST mechanic in the world, and all I hear him say is how good he is and how all other mechanics suck and if I don't like him saying it I can go pound sand, I wouldn't use him if it was for free.

It's sad that more people aren't like me, because then the business ethics in this country might not have deteriorated as badly as they have.

If he were to focus on putting a business of table mechanics together and stop talking down about other top mechanics and their practices, I wouldn't have a problem with him at all. As I've stated, he does good work from what I've seen.

I haven't talked down about his work and I haven't "criticized you or any other mechanic that he has taught".

I have only criticized Glen's professionalism and I think it could still use some work.

You can't please all the people all the time, so the saying goes...

Some people obviously like to defend Glen and some people obviously still want him to work on their tables, with skill, comes demand. I just wish that he would let his skill speak for itself. A lesson I've had to learn myself, the hard way...

Jaden

Teddydog
03-04-2010, 10:05 AM
The other guy is right... Diamonds are complete junk.. GCI, or Centennials are the only way to fly... There was also a model that I cannot remember the name of that was a precursor to the GCI, and that model, though very rare, is also a great table (it had the same slate design as the GCI)..

Viscount, I believe, was the name of the model...

KoolKat9Lives
03-04-2010, 10:10 AM
The 3M-10 adhesive gives a stronger bond then spray adhesive (3M77/90) which many mechanics including myself have used for years. I've been using 3M-10 since I was introduced to it a year ago. As an aside, adhesive of any type is applied to the slate edge, not the slate top although some may get up there from inadvertant overspray but it presents no problem.

The wood coaster w/roofing nails is an excellent way to prevent carpet indentation marks from the table legs. Surprised nobody else ever thought of this easy fix.

The french folds in the pockets use plastic straping tape, not wood, to give the pockets a clean and finished look. The wood strips you may have seen were to build out the slate liners to be flush with the vertical slate edge. These are both methods I now use as required.

I've also learned a slight modification to installing cloth on the slate which makes finishing off the pocket cuts much easier.

I could go on with some other tips but I'll just add that NOBODY else has freely posted better ways to do various aspects of table work. My hat is off to Glen as a leader looking to share better practices for table mechanics and set standards that table owners should demand rather then accept hack work.

Thanks Dartman for the reply to my questions. Sounds like you have thumbups on the procedures we've asked about.

With all due respect, have you worked with Glen? As some have implied, if you have, then your opinion may be biased and some will discount it. It's a tough crowd here.

Teddydog
03-04-2010, 10:11 AM
The guy that had done the work in the pictures I posted has been working on tables for 30 years, so that means nothing.

You can sing the alphabet song for 20 years. That doesn't mean you can write best-selling novels.

LOL, yeah... When you write a best selling novel, then let me know... Till then, all you are is a guy who puts pool tables together...

And like I said, I'm sure he does good work... My brother has attested to that... But if he brought that attitude into my house, he wouldn't last 30 seconds..

Club Billiards
03-04-2010, 10:14 AM
The other guy is right... Diamonds are complete junk.. GCI, or Centennials are the only way to fly... There was also a model that I cannot remember the name of that was a precursor to the GCI, and that model, though very rare, is also a great table (it had the same slate design as the GCI)..

Viscount, I believe, was the name of the model...

Ah yeah. The pretzel leg table. Terrible design. I've seen a ton of them. Trusting those legs to support the slate always scared me.

Club Billiards
03-04-2010, 10:16 AM
LOL, yeah... When you write a best selling novel, then let me know... Till then, all you are is a guy who puts pool tables together...

And like I said, I'm sure he does good work... My brother has attested to that... But if he brought that attitude into my house, he wouldn't last 30 seconds..

Nope. Don't write novels. Just slap pool tables together. I've already told you guys I'm just a member of the so-called peanut gallery. ;)

KoolKat9Lives
03-04-2010, 10:22 AM
LOL, yeah... When you write a best selling novel, then let me know... Till then, all you are is a guy who puts pool tables together...

And like I said, I'm sure he does good work... My brother has attested to that... But if he brought that attitude into my house, he wouldn't last 30 seconds..


Wow. Way to make friends and influence enemies. You come outta the shoot as a new poster by calling people names like a grade schooler and make absolute statements (ex. "diamonds are crap"). And then you make a statement like this about attitude? No one that doesn't know you can take you seriously posting such aggression and controversial positions.

Glen may be arrogant, but...

128370

Teddydog
03-04-2010, 10:22 AM
Ah yeah. The pretzel leg table. Terrible design. I've seen a ton of them. Trusting those legs to support the slate always scared me.

Now I agree with that... But still the same slate design as a GCI, which is without a doubt the finest pool table ever made..

Teddydog
03-04-2010, 10:26 AM
Wow. Way to make friends and influence enemies. You come outta the shoot as a new poster by calling people names like a grade schooler and make absolute statements (ex. "diamonds are crap"). And then you make a statement like this about attitude? No one that doesn't know you can take you seriously posting such aggression and controversial positions.

Glen may be arrogant, but...

128370

I'm not asking you to buy anything, brother... And when I do, I can promise you you'll get my best behavior..

It is assumed and acknowledged that what I post is my opinion, so take it as that... IMHO, Diamond tables are junk, although I own one of their lights, and I love it..

Club Billiards
03-04-2010, 10:53 AM
Every picture tells a story, and a good picture is worth a thousand words. The above pics would be a terrific before and after for Glen. Hey Glen just some food for thought!
Take Care,
Dan

Here's the after:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k261/drums666/Absolute%20Billiard%20Service/Hardtimes%20030310/Tablesdone.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k261/drums666/Absolute%20Billiard%20Service/Hardtimes%20030310/Table2.jpg

Table is tight-pocketed, perfectly level and fast! All the players love it now. The customer is very happy with the work.

By the way...Glen didn't do the work. Just one of his biased followers. ;)

Dartman
03-04-2010, 11:21 AM
Thanks Dartman for the reply to my questions. Sounds like you have thumbups on the procedures we've asked about.

With all due respect, have you worked with Glen? As some have implied, if you have, then your opinion may be biased and some will discount it. It's a tough crowd here.

Haven't worked with Glen. What I said earlier was tips picked up from his posts here. Did attend the seminar in Alsip for the intent to meet him and the rest of the mechanics that were coming since it was close by, deliver a light to Josh and have a discussion with Ivan from Simonis. I did team up with Jack Z to install a bed cloth since I was already using the 3M10 glue method that Glen had posted.

perfectpocketz
03-04-2010, 11:28 AM
Now I agree with that... But still the same slate design as a GCI, which is without a doubt the finest pool table ever made..

Why would you think the GC1 was the best table ever made?
Mark Gregory

Dartman
03-04-2010, 11:47 AM
... I have NEVER stated that Glen isn't skilled, nor have I said that his methods aren't good, nor have I even stated that he ISN'T the best mechanic.

What I have stated is that his attitude isn't right and I will stand by that till the end. ...

You and one or two others here have expressed this opinion.
I doubt that continuously posting the same line of thinking is going to change the opinion of others nor will it change Glens' attitude which is what it is. So he's gruff and rough. So what. Everything one deals with won't be as sugar-coated as one likes. We all run into people that are the best at what they do but their attitude leaves a lot to be desired. You've said your piece so let it go.

perfectpocketz
03-04-2010, 11:48 AM
LOL... "Check my ego?"... I was replying to king ego himself... Listen, dummy... There are literally thousands of people who know how to put a pool table together, properly... What you do is nothing special... Quit acting like it is..

No, we're the guy's that fix the tables that all those so called table mechanic's put together.....far from properly.
Just get a look at some of the shit we see everyday, and then you'll know how bad the install was.

I know it's just a pool table, and we only make a difference to the owner's of that table.
You call guy's dummy, and king ego.......something must have you on edge.

It's just a pool table in the end, so who really cares.

Mark Gregory

Jaden
03-04-2010, 12:34 PM
You and one or two others here have expressed this opinion.
I doubt that continuously posting the same line of thinking is going to change the opinion of others nor will it change Glens' attitude which is what it is. So he's gruff and rough. So what. Everything one deals with won't be as sugar-coated as one likes. We all run into people that are the best at what they do but their attitude leaves a lot to be desired. You've said your piece so let it go.

I only keep posting to correct people's continued misconstrueing of what I have stated. If people continue to quote me and misconstrue what I state, then I will continue to correct and repeat what I actually have stated....

Jaden

Note: I did not say that you misconstrued what I stated in this post, and also note that I didn't repeat what I had stated in the past.

Teddydog
03-04-2010, 01:18 PM
Why would you think the GC1 was the best table ever made?
Mark Gregory

Because it is... The design is impeccable (it's really a damn shame the design was lost forever in a fire).. I have seen GCIs of every possible condition brought back to life to become remarkable pool tables... I doubt that will happen when Diamonds are 50 years old..

Teddydog
03-04-2010, 01:22 PM
No, we're the guy's that fix the tables that all those so called table mechanic's put together.....far from properly.
Just get a look at some of the shit we see everyday, and then you'll know how bad the install was.

I know it's just a pool table, and we only make a difference to the owner's of that table.
You call guy's dummy, and king ego.......something must have you on edge.

It's just a pool table in the end, so who really cares.

Mark Gregory

Yeah, something has me on edge... I jump on this website for the first time and the first thing I read is this ***hole going off on everybody about their lack of prowess putting together a table... What a total jack stick that guy is..

Once again, if that guy came into my home with that attitude, he wouldn't last 30 seconds.. The guy is a jerk, period..

PoolTable911
03-04-2010, 04:12 PM
The guy is a jerk, period..
And what do you think you sound like? Someone to be respected? You either have another account on here and don't want the red rep or you plain don't give a sh#t about this forum. :mad:

cuetechasaurus
03-04-2010, 04:30 PM
RKC is obviously very good at what he does. But let's be realistic. He makes these topics to brag about his work and attract new customers.

It's obvious he doesn't give two shits about "raising the bar for other table mechanics". If he did, he would have personally contacted Ernesto and brought up his point to him in private, instead of trashing him publicly on here.

I'm not sure I understand most of you people. When someone made a topic about RKC and a derelict payment, people started trashing RKC because of his "I don't give a shit" and unprofessional attitude in that topic. When RKC finally payed the guy, everyone went back to "OH MY GOD RKC HAVE MY CHILDREN".

I wonder if that topic hadn't been made, would RKC have ever paid the guy back? Who knows. What I do know is that Ernesto is one of the nicest and most honest people I have ever met. He would never publicly trash another person's life-bread on here or anywhere. If Glen really thought Ernesto was doing something wrong, and cared about "raising the bar" he would have contacted Ernesto privately first and talked to him.

Ernesto is the best table mechanic on the west coast, and probably in the country. It's obvious that RKC feels threatened by him.

UrackmIcrackm
03-04-2010, 04:53 PM
It's obvious he doesn't give two shits about "raising the bar for other table mechanics". If he did, he would have personally contacted Ernesto and brought up his point to him in private, instead of trashing him publicly on here.

Rep to you sir for a fine post.

I went against a personal rule that I have of myself and posted in a thread that I had not read. I hadn't even read the first post, I just saw Hu as the last person posting in another multi-page thread by RKC. I commented because what I had seen on that one page was what I see every time I dare to read anything RKC posts. I didn't have a need to read the whole thread. Same stuff different day...

I'm glad I didn't read the thread because I wasn't aware that he once again publicly bad mouthed Ernesto. :mad: I thought people were bringing it up from the last time he did it.

Someone said "the haters" were jealous because RKC is the best & we're not. I know nothing about table mechanics, nor do I care to so getting jealous because he is better at it than I am is ludicrous. I couldn't care less. My issue with RKC is called a personality conflict, not jealously. The guy is full of himself which is off putting to most people and annoying.

RKC, I wouldn't care if you could run circles around Ernesto when it comes to table mechanics. The fact of the matter is that he is a better man than you will ever be. The pool world would be a much better, more respected place if we could figure out how to clone Ernesto and do away with the pontificating people like yourself.

Dartman
03-04-2010, 05:45 PM
...
Ernesto is the best table mechanic on the west coast, and probably in the country. ...

I don't know Ernesto nor am I familiar with his work -
but by all means please tell us who you compared him against to formulate your opinion.

:confused:

Mr. Wilson
03-04-2010, 08:31 PM
........... But if he brought that attitude into my house, he wouldn't last 30 seconds..


And you brought this one to mine.

See ya.

realkingcobra
03-04-2010, 10:02 PM
LOL... "Check my ego?"... I was replying to king ego himself... Listen, dummy... There are literally thousands of people who know how to put a pool table together, properly... What you do is nothing special... Quit acting like it is..

YOU...won't be on here long with your double screen name and account:rotflmao1:

Glen

realkingcobra
03-04-2010, 10:21 PM
Ernesto is the best table mechanic on the west coast, and probably in the country. It's obvious that RKC feels threatened by him.

Why would I be threatened by Ernesto? I have more requests for rebuilding GC's in California than I work on in the next 5 years....I should be thanking him...you're right;)

Glen

PS. Get off the subject of Ernesto, I've never bashed him as a mechanic, I simply pointed out that K66 cushions don't fit on GC's unless the sub-rails are modified to accept them correctly. As far as ME contacting Ernesto, I believe that is something he should do...contact me, if he don't know how to install K55 cushions on GC's....I'd be glad to show him...at no charge, no different than any other mechanic;)

Glen

realkingcobra
03-04-2010, 10:24 PM
Rep to you sir for a fine post.

I went against a personal rule that I have of myself and posted in a thread that I had not read. I hadn't even read the first post, I just saw Hu as the last person posting in another multi-page thread by RKC. I commented because what I had seen on that one page was what I see every time I dare to read anything RKC posts. I didn't have a need to read the whole thread. Same stuff different day...

I'm glad I didn't read the thread because I wasn't aware that he once again publicly bad mouthed Ernesto. :mad: I thought people were bringing it up from the last time he did it.

Someone said "the haters" were jealous because RKC is the best & we're not. I know nothing about table mechanics, nor do I care to so getting jealous because he is better at it than I am is ludicrous. I couldn't care less. My issue with RKC is called a personality conflict, not jealously. The guy is full of himself which is off putting to most people and annoying.

RKC, I wouldn't care if you could run circles around Ernesto when it comes to table mechanics. The fact of the matter is that he is a better man than you will ever be. The pool world would be a much better, more respected place if we could figure out how to clone Ernesto and do away with the pontificating people like yourself.

Now that right there is down right funny:grin-square:

JasonCrugar
03-04-2010, 10:38 PM
Now that right there is down right funny:grin-square:

flamers.... attention hungry fools that need bad attention just to get any at all.
keep up the good work sir!

Dartman
03-04-2010, 10:42 PM
PS. Get off the subject of Ernesto,
Glen

NO NO NO :nono:
Not until we get the criteria dude used to make that statement about Ernesto being best in the country.
If someone chooses to make that kind of remark they need to back it up ... but I'm not holding my breath.

There's plenty of "top" mechanics on this forum that should be offended by such a remark even if it was only
posted to flame you.

pocketpared
03-04-2010, 11:17 PM
Rep to you sir for a fine post.

I went against a personal rule that I have of myself and posted in a thread that I had not read. I hadn't even read the first post, I just saw Hu as the last person posting in another multi-page thread by RKC. I commented because what I had seen on that one page was what I see every time I dare to read anything RKC posts. I didn't have a need to read the whole thread. Same stuff different day...

I'm glad I didn't read the thread because I wasn't aware that he once again publicly bad mouthed Ernesto. :mad: I thought people were bringing it up from the last time he did it.

Someone said "the haters" were jealous because RKC is the best & we're not. I know nothing about table mechanics, nor do I care to so getting jealous because he is better at it than I am is ludicrous. I couldn't care less. My issue with RKC is called a personality conflict, not jealously. The guy is full of himself which is off putting to most people and annoying.

RKC, I wouldn't care if you could run circles around Ernesto when it comes to table mechanics. The fact of the matter is that he is a better man than you will ever be. The pool world would be a much better, more respected place if we could figure out how to clone Ernesto and do away with the pontificating people like yourself.

I said RKC's the best at "something"..the clown/haters aren't. Work on that comprehension a little.
And as far as someone stating if you have worked with RKC you're not qualified to judge his work but if you haven't...you are...huh?

realkingcobra
03-05-2010, 12:31 AM
Ernesto is the best table mechanic on the west coast, and probably in the country.

Now that I've had time to think about what you said, lets see here, for you....this should be very simple....show some proof to back up your statement....because being THAT good, there should be SOME simple way of showing that....now isn't there?;) Unless that statement is nothing more than YOU running your MOUTH again:rolleyes:

Glen

cuetechasaurus
03-05-2010, 12:59 AM
Now that I've had time to think about what you said, lets see here, for you....this should be very simple....show some proof to back up your statement....because being THAT good, there should be SOME simple way of showing that....now isn't there?;) Unless that statement is nothing more than YOU running your MOUTH again:rolleyes:

Glen

But wait, you said you wanted to lay off the subject on him...make up your mind.

I said "probably the best in the country" because it's my opinion. People have said you are the best in the country. Lots of people have also said that about him. Everyone's entitled to their opinions. If you're asking what I base my opinion on, it's from playing on his tables for years. Even when he does entire poolrooms with 20+ tables in one go, they all play practically perfect. The man works his ass off and he does incredible work to boot.

There's no doubt you do the same. You just have an attitude problem that makes you less personable.

I think you are threatened by him. You get jealous if I say that someone other than you isn't the best in the country. Relax.

realkingcobra
03-05-2010, 01:06 AM
But wait, you said you wanted to lay off the subject on him...make up your mind.

I said "probably the best in the country" because it's my opinion. People have said you are the best in the country. Lots of people have also said that about him. Everyone's entitled to their opinions. If you're asking what I base my opinion on, it's from playing on his tables for years. Even when he does entire poolrooms with 20+ tables in one go, they all play practically perfect. The man works his ass off and he does incredible work to boot.

There's no doubt you do the same. You just have an attitude problem that makes you less personable.

I think you are threatened by him. You get jealous if I say that someone other than you isn't the best in the country. Relax.

To say I'm jealous of Ernesto, is to say you know nothing about me. I can't do all the work I have in the waiting, so I have to turn away most of the work simply because I can't do it all, so what is there to be jealous about, to feel threatened by?...Think about it, I DON'T need the extra work, I teach other mechanic's how to improve THEIR skills, then pass them all the extra work I have in their area...so explain "jealous and treatened"....what does that mean...in YOUR words?

Glen

cuetechasaurus
03-05-2010, 01:13 AM
To say I'm jealous of Ernesto, is to say you know nothing about me. I can't do all the work I have in the waiting, so I have to turn away most of the work simply because I can't do it all, so what is there to be jealous about, to feel threatened by?...Think about it, I DON'T need the extra work, I teach other mechanic's how to improve THEIR skills, then pass them all the extra work I have in their area...so explain "jealous and treatened"....what does that mean...in YOUR words?

Glen

Then next time, call the guy up and tell him what your problem is instead of bashing his work publicly. Do you understand why I'm a little ticked off at you now?

realkingcobra
03-05-2010, 01:21 AM
Then next time, call the guy up and tell him what your problem is instead of bashing his work publicly. Do you understand why I'm a little ticked off at you now?

So, pointing out that Ernesto is using the wrong cushions on GC tables, and not saying anything else about his workmanship....is BASHING his work?....is that what you're saying? And what you're telling me, is that I should have called up Ernesto, who's been working on tables for more than 20 years and KNOWS what he's doing....to TELL him that he's not doing something right?...that he SHOULD aready know?...hmmmm, I'd have to think about that....because I think that would be like showing a Ford mechanic...how to change spark plugs, when in order to be a "Ford mechanic"....he should already know how to do that;)

Glen

Dartman
03-05-2010, 06:52 AM
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I said "probably the best in the country" because it's my opinion. ...

OHH - THATS "YOUR OPINION"
In other words you've never played on a Jay Speilburg table or a Mark Gregory table or an Al Conte table, etc.

Next time you make a statement with NOTHING to back it up you might think about adding "IMO"

Best in California and probably best in the country my ass.
Had you said Ernesto is "ONE" of the best in the state, country or even the world nobody would argue that.
And FTR - I'd match a Donny table with an Ernesto table any day of the week.

Dartman
03-05-2010, 07:00 AM
So, pointing out that Ernesto is using the wrong cushions on GC tables, and not saying anything else about his workmanship....is BASHING his work?....is that what you're saying? And what you're telling me, is that I should have called up Ernesto, who's been working on tables for more than 20 years and KNOWS what he's doing....to TELL him that he's not doing something right?...that he SHOULD aready know?...hmmmm, I'd have to think about that....because I think that would be like showing a Ford mechanic...how to change spark plugs, when in order to be a "Ford mechanic"....he should already know how to do that;)

Glen

Let's not get into the Ernesto / K66 thing again.
If people like the way that setup plays then who's to argue.
Let it go.

perfectpocketz
03-05-2010, 08:36 PM
I really don't believe that anyone is the best, and just who could ever prove it.....mostly who cares.
People's ego's will never change in the pool world......someone that is my friend says I'm the best, people that like Ernesto say he is the best, as well as Glen, and so on, and so on.....when does it stop.

Take the compliments and move on.....because no one is the best, we all take a lot of pride in our work, and it shows.....that's all. For the first time, players are starting to understand the difference between a really good table, and a not so good.

Back in the 70's we were just glade to gamble on a table, and the shit we played on then.....well trust me players today would scream bloody murder if they had to play on those tables.
We've learned to make cue's better.... the knowledge of the game is better....the tables have come a long way. We are just trying to keep up with the demands of the players. Have any of you ever heard a player say that ball faded in.... that don't count....no way....but if that ball fades out....all you hear is how bad the table rolls.

Glen has spent a lot of time trying to figure out what changes are needed to make tables play better.....as I've done myself. Believe me..we are on the right track.....does that mean we are the best.....not even close. We're just trying harder, and put more time in our work than most do.

Some of the best players in the world have been gambling on the tables I've just done.....all I hear is
Mark this table plays great......ten minutes later, Mark you need to check that table, man it's rolling off bad.

So now I'm not so good....right? We're just learning more and more about tables.....and no one is the best....and no one is going to ever be the best......just do the best you can, and walk away.

I still (20 yrs.) later make mistakes, but I correct them and learn not to make them again.
I don't post much work on here, but I do enjoy looking at Donnie's...Josh....Glen..Shane..and everyone that posts pics. They're proud of the work, and that's great....it's not ego.....it's help for some.

If you don't like the posts, or what some of the mechanics have to say......so what, let it go....all everyone is doing is hurting the trust people have in us.

Remember it's just a pool table, we're not hurting anyone trying to get them perfect.

How about some positive thought's and words for a change from everyone.
(I thank Rick for the mention of my name a long side of some of the greats)

Hope you all have a great day!

Thank you
Mark Gregory

pulzcul
03-05-2010, 09:46 PM
Glenn, I put a table together 2 weeks ago for a tournament we had. It was my first. I used your thread on how to strech 860 on the rails. They came out perfect. And the table was the center piece of the weekend. The table in this thread would be the centerpiece anywhere you put it! You had my respect before this thread ,now you have my admiration sir! TAP TAP TAP:cool::cool::cool:

realkingcobra
03-05-2010, 10:57 PM
Glenn, I put a table together 2 weeks ago for a tournament we had. It was my first. I used your thread on how to strech 860 on the rails. They came out perfect. And the table was the center piece of the weekend. The table in this thread would be the centerpiece anywhere you put it! You had my respect before this thread ,now you have my admiration sir! TAP TAP TAP:cool::cool::cool:

Thank you pulzcul, one of these days I'd like to spend my time just traveling around the country working with as many other mechanics as I possibly can in the hopes of someday creating some kind of uniformity in the way commercial tables play in the future....because the mechanic's of this industry are the backbone of the tables once they've left the factory;)

Glen

smokey
03-06-2010, 02:40 AM
a story that reflects on the topic & some of your comments...

long ago, i'd estimate somewhere in the50's/60's the way surgeons dealt with breast cancer was by mastectomy [and there were varying procedures but all were severe gross removals & disfigurement]. this was a very disturbing procedure for women to endure physically and emotionally as well as greatly disfiguring. women were heartbroken. some great guys, only cared for their beloved, but some guys just were just terribly disturbed by this disfigurement too. human nature is what it is.

there was this doc; a young man who challenged the autocratic elder physicians, the "best of the best" surgeons in America. this young man spoke with great determination against this autocratic, stogy, rich, doctors. i'll never forget seeing him in his khaki chinos and navy sport jacket , debating against these autocrats in their 'perfect suits.
they criticized this young doctor in a deplorable manor. i was shocked to see what most considered erudite physicians behaving like 'mad dogs' against him.

they all insisted that "the" way they handled this grossly invasive surgery, was "the only" way to handle this procedure.

well, i believed in this doctor. intellectually, i felt he had them [about 5 of them; 5 against 1] beat by a mile. it also reminded me of Plato's 'Allegory of the Cave', a personal treasure from my reading.

in time, this young doctor proved that lumpectomies could remove the cancer without all the devastation that mastectomies caused. it was later considered a major breakthrough in medicine. 'all' surgeons today agree.

and even now, some are able to be treated with just radiation and no surgery.

i enjoy azb a lot. i learned a lot here. i admire many of you, not just great players, but as people, expressing yourselves.

to the point at hand: some of the negative posters on this thread i admire. maybe it is your writing, or you mind or insight; 'usually'. but on this thread, i don't get it, and that is why i included the story above.

i know you got my point already, but just the same i will add this...

glen is trying his best to "add" to this sport. he would be a fool to call ernesto. and why bother - ernesto "thinks/knows" his gc + k66 with altered rails is the cat's meow of pool tables. do you think glen or the pool gods could convince him otherwise [and that only refers to one guy and one thing, but look at all the other things glen has done when you cast a stone] - as by all indications everybody to the last man standing thinks this is just counterproductive and cannot make a good table? and if you 'think', well, i like ernesto's manner, then i will accept whatever he does no matter it goes against proper table diagnostics. then castigate glen therefore, well - i won't say more than, i promised a friend on azb that i would 'watch myself' so i must keep my word and not tell you really what i normally would face to face.

and as far as doctor98 is concerned, i will just say 2 things:

1. he is not my cup of tea and further; glen helped this joker out a lot so i could care less he waited for his money.

2. did any of you check his [doctor98] past posts and read all his nonsense and trying to squeeze the last 1/4 cent out of every deal he was ever involved with.

i could elaborate further, but let me just say this...

to one who has the insight [hopefully helped by the above illustration] no further explanation is necessary, but to one who still can't "get it" no understanding will ever be possible. again, as stated in the beginning paragraph; human nature is what it is.

i, and many others for sure are very happy that glen is trying to lead the way, from 'wood, stone and cloth' to great playing tables by learned & professional techs.

get it, or, not...
enough said

all the best,
smokey

realkingcobra
03-06-2010, 11:46 AM
I guess I have this crazy idea that if you're playing on a Diamond, it should play like a "Diamond" no matter where it's located. Same goes for the GC's, no matter which model GC it is, no matter where it's at, it should play like a "Gold Crown". That way when players chase tournaments around the country, or world for that matter, if they're playing on either of these tables....they should know what to expect when it comes to the play of these tables. Brunswick changed the models of the GC's from 1 though 5, but they never changed the way the table was intended to play. If you really think about it, a GC5 shouldn't play ANY different than a GC1 if they're using the same cushions;) now I know pockets are going to be different, depending on where they're located, based on the players playing on them, BUT....pockets don't have ANYTHING to do with the open playing surface as far as the speed and banks are concerned, and no matter what model GC you're playing on, they should ALL play the same. And yes, I know that even cloth can be different, but even that is a consistent from one GC to the next. Like I said, I'm not talking about pockets or cloth, or slate shelfs, only about the 50x100 playing surface of all GC's and Diamonds....players should be able to expect to be playing on the same tables....from each of these 2 manufactures. And I'm NOT saying that these two tables should play the same as each other either....just consistant...from location to location, tournament to tournament.

Glen

PS. When customers ask me to work on their pool tables, rebuild the rails and the whole 9 yards, in most cases they tell me they want it to play like a "Diamond" when I'm done. I CAN'T make a GC play like a Diamond, because it's NOT a Diamond, no different than I CAN'T make a Diamond play like a GC. BUT...what I can do, is make ANY GC play like a GC should play as far as pocket opening go, and as far as cushion speed and banks are concerned, and yes...to some extent, Diamond does share in some of these spec's. ProCut pockets are a terminology pretty much pioneered by Greg Sullivan, as well as everyone's understanding of 4 1/2" corner pocket openings....being "ProCut" as well as pocket angles and such. Slate shelves can vary, that's a manufactures choice, not mine. Leather pockets vs plastic or rubber pocket liners...ALL a manufactures choice, not mine. I just work with what I have on hand...the TABLE;)

perfectpocketz
03-06-2010, 01:18 PM
I guess I have this crazy idea that if you're playing on a Diamond, it should play like a "Diamond" no matter where it's located. Same goes for the GC's, no matter which model GC it is, no matter where it's at, it should play like a "Gold Crown". That way when players chase tournaments around the country, or world for that matter, if they're playing on either of these tables....they should know what to expect when it comes to the play of these tables. Brunswick changed the models of the GC's from 1 though 5, but they never changed the way the table was intended to play. If you really think about it, a GC5 shouldn't play ANY different than a GC1 if they're using the same cushions;) now I know pockets are going to be different, depending on where they're located, based on the players playing on them, BUT....pockets don't have ANYTHING to do with the open playing surface as far as the speed and banks are concerned, and no matter what model GC you're playing on, they should ALL play the same. And yes, I know that even cloth can be different, but even that is a consistent from one GC to the next. Like I said, I'm not talking about pockets or cloth, or slate shelfs, only about the 50x100 playing surface of all GC's and Diamonds....players should be able to expect to be playing on the same tables....from each of these 2 manufactures. And I'm NOT saying that these two tables should play the same as each other either....just consistant...from location to location, tournament to tournament.

Glen

PS. When customers ask me to work on their pool tables, rebuild the rails and the whole 9 yards, in most cases they tell me they want it to play like a "Diamond" when I'm done. I CAN'T make a GC play like a Diamond, because it's NOT a Diamond, no different than I CAN'T make a Diamond play like a GC. BUT...what I can do, is make ANY GC play like a GC should play as far as pocket opening go, and as far as cushion speed and banks are concerned, and yes...to some extent, Diamond does share in some of these spec's. ProCut pockets are a terminology pretty much pioneered by Greg Sullivan, as well as everyone's understanding of 4 1/2" corner pocket openings....being "ProCut" as well as pocket angles and such. Slate shelves can vary, that's a manufactures choice, not mine. Leather pockets vs plastic or rubber pocket liners...ALL a manufactures choice, not mine. I just work with what I have on hand...the TABLE;)

Glen, great post, very well said:)...your knowledge of pool tables goes far beyond what people really understand about pool tables.
Your work on tables is truly amazing, and you care about the big picture more than anyone will understand.

I've gotten to know you this past year, and the knowledge you have shared with me....well I really get blown away with all your ideas, and the way you are always trying to better everything you do.

I don't believe for one minute that any other mechanic has shared the knowledge...the pics.....or ideas better than you have.
YOU ARE TRULY ONE OF THE GREATEST TABLE MECHANICS IN THE WORLD !!!!

Glen, the mechanic's all know the changes you have made, and have thought us better ways of working on tables.

The way you glue the cloth on the table is awesome, no better way in the world. IMO
The finished pocket, well who don't love that look?????

The tooling that you just came up with for the rails to play perfect, it don't get any better than that.:grin-square::grin-square:
I believe in you as a person, and in the ways you master pool tables.

I thank you for the knowledge you have shared with me, and it has made me a better mechanic today.
Keep up the great work, and never stop sharing your work with us on here.

You may not be able to make a Diamond play like a GC, or a GC play like a Diamond, but I know first hand what ever table you're working on always comes out better than both of them.:cool:

You and I understand that statement, and in time everyone else will as well.
I can't wait to use the tooling on the GC......I know it will be awesome....Thanks to you.:wink:

Have a great day
Mark Gregory

cuetechasaurus
03-07-2010, 04:49 AM
Let's not get into the Ernesto / K66 thing again.
If people like the way that setup plays then who's to argue.
Let it go.

Good post.

And what I said about Ernesto probably being the best in the country, it was my intention to portray it as my opinion.

ShootingArts
03-07-2010, 06:23 AM
Good post.

And what I said about Ernesto probably being the best in the country, it was my intention to portray it as my opinion.

Just the way people are. I'm sure that they raved about Ernesto's work eleven years ago just as they raved about Glen's recently and if Ernesto or Oscar comes back in eleven years and changes the rails back to the way they were to begin with the customers will be thrilled again. Many customers like "new and different" which is what keeps most manufacturers in business.

Some folks just take customer's compliments a bit too seriously and let them go to their heads. It's nice when your customers think you are the best, many of my customers felt that way about me, not so nice when you think you are the best and above all others in your field.

Hu

realkingcobra
03-07-2010, 07:28 AM
Just the way people are. I'm sure that they raved about Ernesto's work eleven years ago just as they raved about Glen's recently and if Ernesto or Oscar comes back in eleven years and changes the rails back to the way they were to begin with the customers will be thrilled again. Many customers like "new and different" which is what keeps most manufacturers in business.

Some folks just take customer's compliments a bit too seriously and let them go to their heads. It's nice when your customers think you are the best, many of my customers felt that way about me, not so nice when you think you are the best and above all others in your field.

Hu

Hu, now is this a fact, or just your opinion? Believe me when I tell you, tables I've rebuilt the rails on....are never going to be changed out again to play differently!;)

Glen

realkingcobra
03-07-2010, 11:07 AM
Hu, now is this a fact, or just your opinion? Believe me when I tell you, tables I've rebuilt the rails on....are never going to be changed out again to play differently!;)

Glen

Hu, I have an idea, why don't you take some pictures of YOUR table and post them up here, so we can all see what kind of a mechanic YOU are, to be able to judge what kind of mechanics everyone else is. I mean, you seem to THINK you KNOW so much about my trade....show everyone you KNOW what your talking about;)....pretty please:rotflmao1:

Glen

PS. I think YOU are jealous....of MY workmanship....maybe even feel threatened a little:rolleyes:

cuetechasaurus
03-07-2010, 04:22 PM
PS. I think YOU are jealous....of MY workmanship....maybe even feel threatened a little:rolleyes:

No that doesn't really work. A while back someone made a topic praising Ernesto's work. You came in that topic and bashed his work.

This topic was made by you, praising your own work. The people that bashed you in this topic just plain don't like you because

A. the point made above,

B. you have an attitude and an ego problem

and now, the latest,

C. you make countless boasting topics, and you insult people's intelligence by claiming that you are just trying to "raise the bar for other mechanics". Gimme a break, that is too funny.

realkingcobra
03-07-2010, 04:39 PM
No that doesn't really work. A while back someone made a topic praising Ernesto's work. You came in that topic and bashed his work.

Tell you what, I'll pay you $100.00 IF...you can find one thread, or even ONE remark that I've made about Ernesto's craftsmanship such as..."he can't recover rails"...or "he can't recover slates, he can't level pool tables"...anything of the sort, THEN....that could be considered to be "bashing" Ernesto's work. But to say that he's using the wrong cushions I don't consider to be an attack, or "bashing" as you and Hu would put it. That's just information that the cushions are the wrong ones for Brunswick GC tables, and if they were the correct ones....I wouldn't be rebuilding and replacing the K66 cushions on 8 of the GC's at Malarkeys Pool & Brew in Tacoma, WA.....AND, I wouldn't be getting SO many PM's to do the same thing to a lot of tables in pool rooms in California...now would I?

I mean think about it, I've never said ANYTHING negative toward or about Ernesto in the past or present...if I have....SHOW some proof....otherwise I'm entitled to my OPINION....and it just happens to be of the same OPINION of every well known quality table mechanic, as well as the BRUNSWICK CORP.

Hey, I know what you can do....how about YOU call up Malarkeys and tell the OWNER there....or maybe ALL the customers that are playing on the tables I've rebuilt....that they don't play right, and that they should ask me to put them back to the way the tables were before I corrected the cushions....maybe YOU have enough pull to pull that one off....but I got a $1000 that says you won't get anywhere with THAT conversation;)

Glen

PS, Better yet, why don't you go into the business of working on pool tables for a living....then maybe you'd LEARN something about this trade!

realkingcobra
03-07-2010, 06:45 PM
No that doesn't really work. A while back someone made a topic praising Ernesto's work. You came in that topic and bashed his work.

This topic was made by you, praising your own work. The people that bashed you in this topic just plain don't like you because

A. the point made above,

B. you have an attitude and an ego problem

and now, the latest,

C. you make countless boasting topics, and you insult people's intelligence by claiming that you are just trying to "raise the bar for other mechanics". Gimme a break, that is too funny.

Funny,

(A) I have a list of mechanic's waiting on this new tooling so that THEY can repair the tables in their area's correctly, therefore insuring the correct playing conditions of the tables in their areas.

(B) Obviously you have no idea the real meaning of "EGO"

(C) All THREE of you don't like me or my work...yet NONE of you are table mechanic's....and therefore know NOTHING about how to get a table to play correctly, and therefore ALSO know NOTHING about the geometry of the cushions on rails that dictate how they're going to react...BECAUSE once again...you know NOTHING about....being a table mechanic....yet...that still don't stop you from running your mouth....about which you know NOTHING about. You guys may have worked on a table here and there...but that don't even come close to qualifying you with enough knowledge or experience to QUESTION my knowledge as a table mechanic.

(D) And that's the whole problem, NONE of you 3 have the right to question my knowledge as a table mechanic....yet you keep ON running your mouths. I don't care if you like me or not, as I've already stated...between the 3 of you, together you guys couldn't come up with enough money to hire me....so if there's anyone that needs to get a life....you 3 need to get a life....because this IS MY LIFE...I'm a table mechanic whether you like it or not.

NOW, if you guys don't like what I post in my threads...STAY THE HELL OUT OF THEM, because none of you mean ANYTHING to me...got it?...I mean, is that easy enough for you to understand....or do I have to spell it out as in "See Dick and Jane" language?

Glen, the "realkingcobra";)

realkingcobra
11-29-2010, 09:24 AM
Brought forward for Court to see.;)

realkingcobra
11-29-2010, 09:56 AM
Court, once you've practiced that pocket fold like I told you about, you'll never go back to the old way of finishing off the pockets buddy:D

Glen

Mr. Wiggles
11-29-2010, 03:10 PM
Mr. King Cobraman Glen. Love that Centennial table. Got a ? For you. I know I should buy a Diamond cause that's what all the higher level tourneys are playing on right now and my friends would love me having one they could practice on. But I do love GC's. I can get a 8 ft. GC for less than 2000 bucks or a used Diamond for about $3500. Also is there much difference in a GC2 and a GC3? The Diamond would be a 7 ft. What's your thinking on these great tables?

ROB.M
11-29-2010, 07:57 PM
this is the first time i have seen these posts' reading them was interesting, and all the babble.........
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ps! eveyone knows not to #@!& with vietnam tom!
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realkingcobra
12-24-2010, 08:32 PM
Mr. King Cobraman Glen. Love that Centennial table. Got a ? For you. I know I should buy a Diamond cause that's what all the higher level tourneys are playing on right now and my friends would love me having one they could practice on. But I do love GC's. I can get a 8 ft. GC for less than 2000 bucks or a used Diamond for about $3500. Also is there much difference in a GC2 and a GC3? The Diamond would be a 7 ft. What's your thinking on these great tables?

Depending on what kind of pool you're playing, if it's mostly bar pool...then it's a no brainer...the Diamond 7ft ProAm is untouchable by any other table of it's size....and new it's only $3,900.00 but I'll goe one step further even, I'll be back at the Diamond factory quite a bit this year working in sales with Diamond's 9ft Billiards table....so, if you'd like that 7ft...and the pockets tightened to say 4 1/4" corners and 4 3/4" sides....I'll goe out of my way to make that happen....no extra charge, and not thicker facings....extended rails only;)

3andstop
12-25-2010, 07:24 AM
Glen, if you ever get up CT way, please let me know. Is there a # you care to share to reach you?

realkingcobra
12-25-2010, 10:33 AM
Glen, if you ever get up CT way, please let me know. Is there a # you care to share to reach you?

I've given my number out 100's of times, and it's listed in the mechanics forum, but here it is for you 702-927-5689

Glen