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CocoboloCowboy
10-29-2008, 06:55 AM
Arizona Peeps-Anyone seen the NEW Version of Arizona Billiards News? Do Strip Joint go hand & hand with Pool?

Well as Gomer Pyle U.S.M.C. said to his Sergeant; ?Surprise, Surprise?.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/flyingbrick.gif


Well I am disappointed as the Paper that I loved when Mike Howerton (aka AZHousePro) put it out as Arizona Billiards News, has changed again for the bad.

Now it is called, The Billiards & Dart NEWS, and the Banner say:

"The Valleys' # 1, Guide to Billiards, Darts, Poker, and Entertainment!"

Looks like a sort of clone to Billiards Table Talk from Dr. Jack with the ads for STRIP Joints that IMHO have ZERO to do with Pool, and will do nothing to enhance the image of Pool in the State of Arizona.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/angeryonfire.gif

Sorry I think that Darts, and Poker compliment Pool, go hand in hand with Pool, as many of the Rooms/Bars/Sports Bar have Darts & Poker (Texas Hold-em) going on as the same time as Pool Tournaments.

No I am not a prude, but I see ZERO to enhance the image of Pool by putting STRIP JOINTS in a Pool Publication.

The IMAGE of Pool and how to improve it has been discussed many times on this very forum. If Pools image was better would pool be able to attract more mainstream advertisers like other sports, like NASCAR, NBA, PGA Golf, MLB, NFL, etc?

Black-Balled
10-29-2008, 07:00 AM
"Baby Got Back"

[Intro]
Oh, my, god. Becky, look at her butt.
It is so big. *scoff* She looks like,
one of those rap guys' girlfriends.
But, you know, who understands those rap guys? *scoff*
They only talk to her, because,
she looks like a total prostitute, 'kay?
I mean, her butt, is just so big.
I can't believe it's just so round, it's like,
out there, I mean - gross. Look!
She's just so ... black!

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]
I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung, wanna pull out your tough
'Cause you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh baby, I wanna get with you
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that butt you got makes me so horny
Ooh, Rump-o'-smooth-skin
You say you wanna get in my Benz?
Well, use me, use me
'Cause you ain't that average groupie
I've seen them dancin'
To hell with romancin'
She's sweat, wet,
Got it goin' like a turbo 'Vette
I'm tired of magazines
Sayin' flat butts are the thing
Take the average black man and ask him that
She gotta pack much back
So, fellas! (Yeah!) Fellas! (Yeah!)
Has your girlfriend got the butt? (Hell yeah!)
Tell 'em to shake it! (Shake it!) Shake it! (Shake it!)
Shake that healthy butt!
Baby got back!

(LA face with Oakland booty)
Baby got back!

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]
I like 'em round, and big
And when I'm throwin' a gig
I just can't help myself, I'm actin' like an animal
Now here's my scandal
I wanna get you home
And ugh, double-up, ugh, ugh
I ain't talkin' bout Playboy
'Cause silicone parts are made for toys
I want 'em real thick and juicy
So find that juicy double
Mix-a-Lot's in trouble
Beggin' for a piece of that bubble
So I'm lookin' at rock videos
Knock-kneeded bimbos walkin' like hoes
You can have them bimbos
I'll keep my women like Flo Jo
A word to the thick soul sisters, I wanna get with ya
I won't cuss or hit ya
But I gotta be straight when I say I wanna ******
Till the break of dawn
Baby got it goin' on
A lot of simps won't like this song
'Cause them punks like to hit it and quit it
And I'd rather stay and play
'Cause I'm long, and I'm strong
And I'm down to get the friction on
So, ladies! {Yeah!} Ladies! {Yeah}
If you wanna roll in my Mercedes {Yeah!}
Then turn around! Stick it out!
Even white boys got to shout
Baby got back!

Baby got back!
Yeah, baby ... when it comes to females, Cosmo ain't got nothin'
to do with my selection. 36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3".

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]
So your girlfriend rolls a Honda, playin' workout tapes by Fonda
But Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda
My anaconda don't want none
Unless you've got buns, hun
You can do side bends or sit-ups,
But please don't lose that butt
Some brothers wanna play that "hard" role
And tell you that the butt ain't gold
So they toss it and leave it
And I pull up quick to retrieve it
So Cosmo says you're fat
Well I ain't down with that!
'Cause your waist is small and your curves are kickin'
And I'm thinkin' bout stickin'
To the beanpole dames in the magazines:
You ain't it, Miss Thing!
Give me a sister, I can't resist her
Red beans and rice didn't miss her
Some knucklehead tried to dis
'Cause his girls are on my list
He had game but he chose to hit 'em
And I pull up quick to get wit 'em
So ladies, if the butt is round,
And you want a triple X throw down,
Dial 1-900-MIXALOT
And kick them nasty thoughts
Baby got back!

(Little in the middle but she got much back) [4x]


[Thanks to funky_baby_blu13@html.com, permanentdamage2@yahoo.com, pathscrosd@aol.com, justchrissa@yahoo.com, Jaipreet, AJ for correcting these lyrics]

[ www.azlyrics.com ]

Kevin Lindstrom
10-29-2008, 07:24 AM
Like all other publication the ability to survive comes from advertising dollars.
Sounds as if not enough billiard, dart and poker advertisors were able to be found and they needed to look elsewhere to sell ads in order to survive. I see know problem with that as any billiard related newspaper is better than none.
If you have better ideas or suggestions that would work maybe you should contact the editor and offer your valuable help.

Kevin

worldison2
10-29-2008, 07:33 AM
Like all other publication the ability to survive comes from advertising dollars.
Sounds as if not enough billiard, dart and poker advertisors were able to be found and they needed to look elsewhere to sell ads in order to survive. I see know problem with that as any billiard related newspaper is better than none.
If you have better ideas or suggestions that would work maybe you should contact the editor and offer your valuable help.

Kevin
Kevin,
Thank you for posting this. You just said what I was about to say. Do you think the NFL has said to Budweiser..."We don't want your advertising, because beer makes athletes perform worse?"

Who are we to judge?

And who are strippers hurting?

Mike Templeton
10-29-2008, 07:42 AM
Like all other publication the ability to survive comes from advertising dollars.
Sounds as if not enough billiard, dart and poker advertisors were able to be found and they needed to look elsewhere to sell ads in order to survive. I see know problem with that as any billiard related newspaper is better than none.
If you have better ideas or suggestions that would work maybe you should contact the editor and offer your valuable help.

Kevin
Ditto.............

Scott Lee
10-29-2008, 07:48 AM
LMAO...is this an oxymoron? :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

offer your valuable help.

Kevin

ScottR
10-29-2008, 07:50 AM
Kevin,
Thank you for posting this. You just said what I was about to say. Do you think the NFL has said to Budweiser..."We don't want your advertising, because beer makes athletes perform worse?"

Who are we to judge?

And who are strippers hurting?
They've been known to hurt my wallet..... :(

blueridge
10-29-2008, 07:58 AM
Arizona Peeps-Anyone seen the NEW Version of Arizona Billiards News? Do Strip Joint go hand & hand with Pool?

Well as Gomer Pyle U.S.M.C. said to his Sergeant; ?Surprise, Surprise?.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/flyingbrick.gif


Well I am disappointed as the Paper that I loved when Mike Howerton (aka AZHousePro) put it out as Arizona Billiards News, has changed again for the bad.

Now it is called, The Billiards & Dart NEWS, and the Banner say:

"The Valleys' # 1, Guide to Billiards, Darts, Poker, and Entertainment!"

Looks like a sort of clone to Billiards Table Talk from Dr. Jack with the ads for STRIP Joints that IMHO have ZERO to do with Pool, and will do nothing to enhance the image of Pool in the State of Arizona.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/angeryonfire.gif

Sorry I think that Darts, and Poker compliment Pool, go hand in hand with Pool, as many of the Rooms/Bars/Sports Bar have Darts & Poker (Texas Hold-em) going on as the same time as Pool Tournaments.

No I am not a prude, but I see ZERO to enhance the image of Pool by putting STRIP JOINTS in a Pool Publication.

The IMAGE of Pool and how to improve it has been discussed many times on this very forum. If Pools image was better would pool be able to attract more mainstream advertisers like other sports, like NASCAR, NBA, PGA Golf, MLB, NFL, etc?

Sex sells, you are a prude, and the best way to improve pool's popularity is to glorify the most unsavory aspects of the game.

P.S. Have you looked at ANY of the avators from this message board EVER?

worldison2
10-29-2008, 08:22 AM
They've been known to hurt my wallet..... :(

Ok. Good point. But at least it's only a dollar at a time.:cool:

bfdlad
10-29-2008, 08:32 AM
I agree that pools image needs to be cleaned up as we have all said at some point in one thread or another. However, advertizing $$ are needed and sometimes the pool and billiard industry don't have the $$ to support a newspaper. So in order to have a pool/billiards related paper out there they have to take what they can get. Its a catch 22 I'm afraid, if Heff decided to hold the playboy tour or Playboy pool challenge and add a load of $$ should the industry say "NAAH thats Heff but we are trying to clean up the sport" ? Especially right now we have to get we we can get. Although I wish it were Nike or Microsoft advertising instead.

rayjay
10-29-2008, 08:41 AM
Advertising revenue is what supports newspapers like this, just like the daily newspaper. Take what you can get. Last I heard, stripping wasn't illegal. So the "immorality" of it bothers you, you want to censor it, and you're not a prude? I think strippers should get free table time...
:p

swrooster
10-29-2008, 10:24 AM
I am shocked to think that anyone reading a billiard related publication would darken the door of a strip club. Say it isn't so. According to demographics the churches advertise in the living sections of your local rag while the clubs buy space in the sports sections. Go figure. And futhermore, since I am a Chevy man I would be offended if any Billiard Flyer sold add space to a Ford dealer. Ignore the ads if you're not going to take advantage of 5$ lap dance Tequilla Tuesdays.

illusivetrout
10-29-2008, 07:28 PM
Yes Mr.Cowboy. I agree it is disappointing. It cheapens the image of pool players.

stuckart
10-29-2008, 08:43 PM
It's hard for me to say this, but, um, I agree with you Coco. I think what he has done to the paper is just flushed it down the toilet. All this bragging about only reporting billiard news and only the facts no opinion articles, blah blah blah, and then you change it with trashy strip club ads?!?

It's not about the $$$'s here guys, its about the competition. There are 2 other local newspapers in the area already, one that already has all the trashy strip club photo's and so-so articles and the other the Valley Billiards News has original content, great articles, quality ad's, etc.

The big difference between the two is that the Valley Billiards News paper actually has persons writting quality stories, attending multiple events, talking to the players, etc. While this one just gets stories off of azpoolscene.com and articles that are submitted from a few locations.

In the latest edition, there is the story from azpoolscene about Scott Frost winning the State 1-pocket tournament, except he didn't have enough room so he cut off half the article. Try reading only the first 4 sections of this story: http://www.azpoolscene.com/BreakingNews215.html and that is it? What about the rest? The parts about the winners? Or thanking the establishments and sponsors? Then the paper takes up half of the page to show the payouts and standings.

Doesn't look like that paper is going to be around long.

Koopa
10-29-2008, 09:07 PM
Yes Mr.Cowboy. I agree it is disappointing. It cheapens the image of pool players.

Totally. Strip club ads do cheapen the image of pool players.

Now if we could only figure out the other 98% of what cheapens our image we're ready for prime time.

:rolleyes:

Strip clubs advertise in lots of publications.

Bigtruck
10-29-2008, 09:58 PM
Arizona Peeps-Anyone seen the NEW Version of Arizona Billiards News? Do Strip Joint go hand & hand with Pool?

Well as Gomer Pyle U.S.M.C. said to his Sergeant; ?Surprise, Surprise?.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/flyingbrick.gif


Well I am disappointed as the Paper that I loved when Mike Howerton (aka AZHousePro) put it out as Arizona Billiards News, has changed again for the bad.

Now it is called, The Billiards & Dart NEWS, and the Banner say:

"The Valleys' # 1, Guide to Billiards, Darts, Poker, and Entertainment!"

Looks like a sort of clone to Billiards Table Talk from Dr. Jack with the ads for STRIP Joints that IMHO have ZERO to do with Pool, and will do nothing to enhance the image of Pool in the State of Arizona.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/angeryonfire.gif

Sorry I think that Darts, and Poker compliment Pool, go hand in hand with Pool, as many of the Rooms/Bars/Sports Bar have Darts & Poker (Texas Hold-em) going on as the same time as Pool Tournaments.

No I am not a prude, but I see ZERO to enhance the image of Pool by putting STRIP JOINTS in a Pool Publication.

The IMAGE of Pool and how to improve it has been discussed many times on this very forum. If Pools image was better would pool be able to attract more mainstream advertisers like other sports, like NASCAR, NBA, PGA Golf, MLB, NFL, etc?


I don't know Coco????? I might need some visuals to make a decision. Can we at least get a link to the paper in question? ;)

Thanks,

Ray

ribdoner
10-29-2008, 10:06 PM
Advertising revenue is what supports newspapers like this, just like the daily newspaper. Take what you can get. Last I heard, stripping wasn't illegal. So the "immorality" of it bothers you, you want to censor it, and you're not a prude? I think strippers should get free table time...:p


round here they're eligible to get a big boner when on the table

Koopa
10-29-2008, 10:13 PM
The IMAGE of Pool and how to improve it has been discussed many times on this very forum. If Pools image was better would pool be able to attract more mainstream advertisers like other sports, like NASCAR, NBA, PGA Golf, MLB, NFL, etc?

Has it occurred to you that maybe it isn't pool's image? Curling has a pretty clean reputation, and you don't see Budweiser and Miller tripping over each other to give that game any advertising dollars.

Face it, the game just isn't that entertaining to watch. A bunch of well mannered pool players in suits would probably hurt our chances at mainstream if anything.

Bigtruck
10-29-2008, 10:16 PM
Advertising revenue is what supports newspapers like this, just like the daily newspaper. Take what you can get. Last I heard, stripping wasn't illegal. So the "immorality" of it bothers you, you want to censor it, and you're not a prude? I think strippers should get free table time...
:p

Only in their company uniform! :grin-square:

Ray

Fatboy
10-29-2008, 10:47 PM
Beggers cant be choosers, right now considering the state of pool any ad revnue $$$$ is a good thing. I do think if they were peddeling XXX porn videos then that would ccross the line. But strip joints are a generally acceptable biz in most of America. Pool rooms are a acceptable biz in America too but, read on....

I have read alot of leases for shopping centers and they say specifically that pool rooms are a prohibited use of the space for lease. They will specify that if its a bar/tavern just how many tables are acceptable. This depends on the shopping center owners, this isnt a Govt thing. It can be with zoning laws, but some shopping center owners just dont want poolrooms because they think there could be problems or it could hurt the value of the property. Which as a property owner I understand. What irritates me is that they dont spell out many different business specifically-poolrooms are one of the few. They dont spell out strip joints because the zoning rergulations where they are at usually is differrent than where most poolrooms are at. Not to say its awalys like that but strip joints fall into a small classifaction of land usage.


There is zero harm in advertizing them in a pool related thing, I DESPISE and it P****** me off when I see them advertize on taxi cabs in Vegas, there is more T&A driving all over Vegas than you can imagine and when my ex-girls daughter knew as much about strippers when she was 10 as I did it-woke me up, i knew kids are switched on now days but wow-she knew way to much, she was so young she wasnt shy/embarassed to tell me what she knew or had memorized-scary, she is 14 and i havent spoke to her in a while, i think she is done meaning she will be dancing soon enough, thats a different topic.


In a publication who's market is adults or close to it there is no harm. And this is comming from a guy who dosent go to strip clubs unless i have to to keep a client happy or something, its been years since i been to one, i hate them, and the chix that hustle in them. I like chix but not strppers.

Fatboy
10-29-2008, 10:59 PM
Has it occurred to you that maybe it isn't pool's image? Curling has a pretty clean reputation, and you don't see Budweiser and Miller tripping over each other to give that game any advertising dollars.

Face it, the game just isn't that entertaining to watch. A bunch of well mannered pool players in suits would probably hurt our chances at mainstream if anything.


one step farther....how about the idea that because strip clubs and poolrooms all on the same pages it will improve the "fun" factor of pool. Why does this have to be about idealestic clean image thing or its bad????

squeaky clean stuff is great go to Church!!! this is Ames mister!!!

this all goes back to being PC, image has to be clean, why?? i live clean and make responsible choices but dont care what others think-whats wrong with that??? all this PC stuff is just getting on my nerves.

how about the image that its fun??? booze, chix, pool are all fun things to most people, there is nothing wrong with packaging them together and making it sell, with this in mind the strip joints are helping pool

Fast Lenny
10-29-2008, 11:17 PM
I have seen the paper,I dont see much of a problem with it to be honest because in order for the paper to run they need money.If I could travel and do more live streams because Bada Bing wants to sponsor me then so be it,strip clubs are entertainment and strippers/dames and pool do go together,anyone deep in the pool scene knows that. :smile:

WalkerInTN
10-30-2008, 04:28 AM
First time even hearing about it. If it's got strip joint ads, it might be worth a look though. :grin-square:

CocoboloCowboy
10-30-2008, 05:15 AM
22 People Posted Comments!

439+ Looked at the Thread!

39 People Cast a Vote in the Poll!

Personally if I had a Bar/Sports Bar/or Pool Room and was solicited to buy advertising in the New Paper with the Strip Joints as advertisers. I would pass, as people tend to judge you by who you associate with!

Showed the paper to 5 or 6 Pool player yesterday, and they either made a FACE, or said it was too bad that the Paper has gone in that direction. both Make & Females Pool players.

As one lady said in so many words what the HELL does Strip Bars have to do with Pool?

I say ZERO, and it don't help the image of Pool!

Nuff Said.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/zipmouth.gif

Kevin Lindstrom
10-30-2008, 05:36 AM
Pool players and Strippers have a lot in common, they are both always looking for an easy buck.:eek:

I would like to know the cost to subscribe to these publications and also how many posters in this thread have a paid subscription.

In addition if Coco has a paid subscription and is so dissapointed with the new advertisers I will gladly pay him for the remainder of his subscription and take over receiving his copies of the publication.

Thanks

Kevin

swrooster
10-30-2008, 07:04 AM
22 People Posted Comments!

439+ Looked at the Thread!

39 People Cast a Vote in the Poll!

Personally if I had a Bar/Sports Bar/or Pool Room and was solicited to buy advertising in the New Paper with the Strip Joints as advertisers. I would pass, as people tend to judge you by who you associate with!

Showed the paper to 5 or 6 Pool player yesterday, and they either made a FACE, or said it was too bad that the Paper has gone in that direction. both Make & Females Pool players.

As one lady said in so many words what the HELL does Strip Bars have to do with Pool?

I say ZERO, and it don't help the image of Pool!

Nuff Said.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/zipmouth.gif
Coco I enjoy your posts, this time I think that you are missing the boat. What do strip clubs have to do with pool? The answer is correct, nothing. The demographics of advertising show that the likely list of readers to this paper will be 18-40, single men with disposable income. It is the likely list of readers or subscribers that is being targeted, not the sport. In the El Paso Times today there are five ads in the sport section four for strip clubs and one restaurant. What do sports and strip clubs have in common? If you try you can start to grasp the trend here. If the readership of the pool tabloid were deemed to be middle aged women I am quite sure that Maytag and Vouge would advertise. If you want to slam something,slam the publication itself, the lack of info, the format, etc. Any publication lives and dies by it's advertisers and as long as the demographics say that a large percentage of the readership is going to be men, a company that offers glimpses of naked breasts in exchange for dollars will probably throw a few advertising dollars at it. If they advertise enough maybe a decent writer could be hired. Just the facts. So if the image of pool is all important to you I guess that in order to play the sport everyone should have to fill out a membership card, go through a background check attend at least one down with strip clubs rally and have a personal reference from a respected minister. Come on, just ignore the ads.

CocoboloCowboy
10-30-2008, 04:28 PM
Coco I enjoy your posts, this time I think that you are missing the boat. What do strip clubs have to do with pool? The answer is correct, nothing. The demographics of advertising show that the likely list of readers to this paper will be 18-40, single men with disposable income. It is the likely list of readers or subscribers that is being targeted, not the sport. In the El Paso Times today there are five ads in the sport section four for strip clubs and one restaurant. What do sports and strip clubs have in common? If you try you can start to grasp the trend here. If the readership of the pool tabloid were deemed to be middle aged women I am quite sure that Maytag and Vouge would advertise. If you want to slam something,slam the publication itself, the lack of info, the format, etc. Any publication lives and dies by it's advertisers and as long as the demographics say that a large percentage of the readership is going to be men, a company that offers glimpses of naked breasts in exchange for dollars will probably throw a few advertising dollars at it. If they advertise enough maybe a decent writer could be hired. Just the facts. So if the image of pool is all important to you I guess that in order to play the sport everyone should have to fill out a membership card, go through a background check attend at least one down with strip clubs rally and have a personal reference from a respected minister. Come on, just ignore the ads.


Your post has merit, but as I said I think the addition of STRIP CLUB in a State Wide Billiard Publication does ZERO to enhance the IMAGE of Pool.

If Pool in the State of Arizona wishs to attract MAIN STREAM SPONSOR this addition of Strip Club as advertisers IMHO to what was the Number One Read Pool publication, does ZIP to enhance the IMAGE of Pool. IT is IMHO NEGATIVE!

Fast Lenny
10-30-2008, 04:35 PM
Your post has merit, but as I said I think the addition of STRIP CLUB in a State Wide Billiard Publication does ZERO to enhance the IMAGE of Pool.

If Pool in the State of Arizona wishs to attract MAIN STREAM SPONSOR this addition of Strip Club as advertisers IMHO to what was the Number One Read Pool publication, does ZIP to enhance the IMAGE of Pool. IT is IMHO NEGATIVE!
Pool will have a tough time getting a Fortune 500 company behind it and a small newspaper with a circulation of less then 2000 will be lucky to get decent sponsors so they take what they can get and I see nothing wrong with it,the strip clubs are on the last page so I think it will be overlooked alot and people will get what they want before they even see that.Its a free publication,if you dont like it then dont read it I say. :smile:

AzHousePro
10-30-2008, 06:57 PM
Yeah, I enjoyed running the paper when I did own it.

But it really wasn't "a good billiards newspaper here in the PHX area".

The layout and use of color in the publication showed that I really didn't put a great deal of effort into the publication. It was really just another iron in the fire that got some of my attention, part of the month.

Right, Coco?

Mike

Arizona Peeps-Anyone seen the NEW Version of Arizona Billiards News? Do Strip Joint go hand & hand with Pool?

Well as Gomer Pyle U.S.M.C. said to his Sergeant; ?Surprise, Surprise?.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/flyingbrick.gif


Well I am disappointed as the Paper that I loved when Mike Howerton (aka AZHousePro) put it out as Arizona Billiards News, has changed again for the bad.

Dead Money
10-30-2008, 08:37 PM
I don't see a problem with the ads. Besides what is wrong with titties and beer?

If my local paper can advertise bOOb bars I don't think there is a problem with a billiards oriented paper doing it as well.

Bad Company
10-30-2008, 10:10 PM
Arizona Peeps-Anyone seen the NEW Version of Arizona Billiards News? Do Strip Joint go hand & hand with Pool?

Well as Gomer Pyle U.S.M.C. said to his Sergeant; ?Surprise, Surprise?.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/flyingbrick.gif


Well I am disappointed as the Paper that I loved when Mike Howerton (aka AZHousePro) put it out as Arizona Billiards News, has changed again for the bad.

Now it is called, The Billiards & Dart NEWS, and the Banner say:

"The Valleys' # 1, Guide to Billiards, Darts, Poker, and Entertainment!"

Looks like a sort of clone to Billiards Table Talk from Dr. Jack with the ads for STRIP Joints that IMHO have ZERO to do with Pool, and will do nothing to enhance the image of Pool in the State of Arizona.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/angeryonfire.gif

Sorry I think that Darts, and Poker compliment Pool, go hand in hand with Pool, as many of the Rooms/Bars/Sports Bar have Darts & Poker (Texas Hold-em) going on as the same time as Pool Tournaments.

No I am not a prude, but I see ZERO to enhance the image of Pool by putting STRIP JOINTS in a Pool Publication.

The IMAGE of Pool and how to improve it has been discussed many times on this very forum. If Pools image was better would pool be able to attract more mainstream advertisers like other sports, like NASCAR, NBA, PGA Golf, MLB, NFL, etc?

Hey Cocco, you were doing so good. Then you start the crying again. If you dont like it DONT read it. By the way what do you care, you don't even play pool. Do us all a favor crawl back in that hole you came out of. However, if you do feel like playing some you can find at the strip club with the rest of the MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

akaTrigger
10-30-2008, 10:40 PM
I don't think one billiard publication that has ads about strip joints will hurt the image of pool.

Furthermore, the strip club that advertises is being very smart to advertise to this client base - good marketing in my opinion. And, the publication is in return getting money for the ad. It seems to help everyone. For those that don't like it, don't read it or worry about it.

trueblu8
10-30-2008, 11:51 PM
Totally. Strip club ads do cheapen the image of pool players.

Now if we could only figure out the other 98% of what cheapens our image we're ready for prime time.

:rolleyes:

Strip clubs advertise in lots of publications.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Koopa again." - This guy seems to have wisdom beyond his years.

Has it occurred to you that maybe it isn't pool's image? Curling has a pretty clean reputation, and you don't see Budweiser and Miller tripping over each other to give that game any advertising dollars.

Face it, the game just isn't that entertaining to watch. A bunch of well mannered pool players in suits would probably hurt our chances at mainstream if anything.
The man speaketh the truth. Certain sports/activities will never become mainstream, that's just the way it is.

strip clubs are entertainment and strippers/dames and pool do go together, anyone deep in the pool scene knows that. :smile:
Like it or not, I'm afraid Lenny is right. There are places here that are strip clubs, bars, and pool rooms all rolled up into one.

CocoboloCowboy
10-31-2008, 08:51 AM
Pool will have a tough time getting a Fortune 500 company behind it and a small newspaper with a circulation of less then 2000 will be lucky to get decent sponsors so they take what they can get and I see nothing wrong with it,the strip clubs are on the last page so I think it will be overlooked alot and people will get what they want before they even see that.Its a free publication,if you dont like it then dont read it I say. :smile:

Arizona Pool don't have to start with Fortune 500 Companies looking for sponsorship, as the State of Arizona is home to some large consumer orientated businesses. Like Sprouts Markets, Bashes/Food City/AJ's Fine Foods (markets), several Large Auto Groups, (2) Budwisher Distributor in Maricopa County (Hensley & Golden Eagle) who neither one seem to support Pool. Plus pages more. Many of who support amature sports.

Yesterday I drove by Liberty Field (a local Softball Park in the West Valley), funny to see who had BANNER ads there trying to capture those Softball Players attention, and consumer dollars. BTW the reason it is liberty Field is liberty Buick is a Major sponsor!

Pool players spend their consumer dollars in many of these businesses, or on these business products, and services.

;)

CocoboloCowboy
10-31-2008, 09:02 AM
Yeah, I enjoyed running the paper when I did own it.


Mike









Well Mike you and I last December in Metro Sports Bar discussed what happened to your paper, The Arizona Billiards News after the first new owner turned it is to something resembling a company NEWSLETTER or as Kevin Lewis called it a Magazine. If my memory serves me correct I said Kevin Lewis had pretty much destroyed what your Paper was in THREE ISSUES.

Than came the Arizona Billiards Info that for 9 issues was more of an Advertiser, and Tournament guide with little original editorial content.

Now the paper is called Billiards & Darts News. and has (2) Pages of STRIP Joins advertising, that IMHO does ZERO to promote the image of Pool.

Like I said in post NUMBER # 1, Mike about when you had the paper.

Well I am disappointed as the Paper that I loved when Mike Howerton (aka AZHousePro) put it out as Arizona Billiards News, has changed again for the bad.

I still have the LAST Howerton Issue of The Arizona Billiards News, it was by far BETTER than anything the Paper became after you sold it Mike. Also many of the Glenn Bonds HOW TOO ARTICLES.

Sadly gone are the interesting editorials, Glenn Bonds How Too articles, the Page 26, Place to Play Pool Listing, that cover the Valley so well, etc. etc. etc.

I have 4 step grandsons who the youngest of is very interested in pool, he watches many of the archive live feeds with me when I am over at his house that has high speed net, I use to bring him the Paper to Read, now GRANDMA say NO Pool Paoper to him, its the Stripper Ads!







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Scott Lee
10-31-2008, 09:46 AM
I've always thought it would be great to have a combination strip club/poolroom. I'd call it BEERS, BOOBS & BALLS! LOL :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

QUOTE=CocoboloCowboy]As one lady said in so many words what the HELL does Strip Bars have to do with Pool?

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AzHousePro
10-31-2008, 10:34 AM
When I ran the paper, I had a rule that all advertising had to be billiards related in one way or another. I did run an ad for a pool service and a flooring company, but they were both ran by pool players and the offered a discount for pool players. Not sure what I would have done if I had been approached by a strip club owned by a pool player.

I realize that I sometimes have a real naive viewpoint of things like this, but I really wanted the paper to be supported by the pool world.

Mike

tigerseye
10-31-2008, 11:16 AM
Just keep puttin Jasmin on the cover of every magazine....That's an eye catcher if i've ever seen one adn she doesn't even have to take her clothes off....

blueridge
10-31-2008, 11:29 AM
:clapping: That would be awesome. I've often considered the possibilities of installing a pool table in a strip club and playing our league matches out of there. I've always thought it would be great to have a combination strip club/poolroom. I'd call it BEERS, BOOBS & BALLS! LOL :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

QUOTE=CocoboloCowboy]As one lady said in so many words what the HELL does Strip Bars have to do with Pool?

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BrandyWine
10-31-2008, 12:48 PM
I've seen Mike's paper before he sold it. Billiard, professional, informative & clean; just like his "site" is now. He is modest and sarcastic... I love it.:D He and his "staff" have worked tirelessly and done a wonderful job.

I have seen the paper after the new owner has it, the least I can say is... I am disappointed.

"Paper" whether it be flier or news is Prehistoric. Everything moves faster on the "net", I know if I want info, I Google first. One of the few reasons Mike gave it up. Made a little but was a lot of effort for the return. Sometimes you have to ask yourself how much is your time worth. His family is important to him.

hfelsh
10-31-2008, 12:56 PM
Ya know what? On my Vista machines, I use ad blocking software (which is built into Norton Internet Security 2007; it was taken out in the 2008 & 2009 versions, which is one of the many reaons I refuse to upgrade to them), and I literally haven't seen web advertisements in years. :cool:

CocoboloCowboy
10-31-2008, 02:52 PM
When I ran the paper, I had a rule that all advertising had to be billiards related in one way or another. I did run an ad for a pool service and a flooring company, but they were both ran by pool players and the offered a discount for pool players. Not sure what I would have done if I had been approached by a strip club owned by a pool player.

I realize that I sometimes have a real naive viewpoint of things like this, but I really wanted the paper to be supported by the pool world.

Mike


Yes Mike you even had Business Card Advertisements, like Real Estate Agents-Business Card Ad--Bob Hayden who also was a Pool Player.

As the BANNER above that section said. "Pool Player's Taking Care of Pool Players!"

Yes I know someone who use Hayden to buy a house recently because of that very Business Card AD.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/thumbsup.gif http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/thumbsup.gif http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/thumbsup.gif http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/thumbsup.gif http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/thumbsup.gif

stuckart
10-31-2008, 02:56 PM
I've seen Mike's paper before he sold it. Billiard, professional, informative & clean; just like his "site" is now. He is modest and sarcastic... I love it.:D He and his "staff" have worked tirelessly and done a wonderful job.

I have seen the paper after the new owner has it, the least I can say is... I am disappointed.

"Paper" whether it be flier or news is Prehistoric. Everything moves faster on the "net", I know if I want info, I Google first. One of the few reasons Mike gave it up. Made a little but was a lot of effort for the return. Sometimes you have to ask yourself how much is your time worth. His family is important to him.

I agree with you. That is why I thought it was so important to take over azpoolscene.com from Ron Merseal when Alexander's closed down. The website is updated daily with al the events from Arizona. The last few issues of the Billiards Info paper were 70-80% content off of azpoolscene and 3 or 4 weeks behind. And now I'm not allowing him to use any content from my site and he has changed to add poker, darts, strip clubs, etc.

CocoboloCowboy
10-31-2008, 03:02 PM
I agree with you. That is why I thought it was so important to take over azpoolscene.com from Ron Merseal when Alexander's closed down. The website is updated daily with al the events from Arizona. The last few issues of the Billiards Info paper were 70-80% content off of azpoolscene and 3 or 4 weeks behind. And now I'm not allowing him to use any content from my site and he has changed to add poker, darts, strip clubs, etc.





Well Stuckart I just wish you would list ALL THE WEEKLY, & MONTHLY Tournaments in the State on you web site. Also stay away from getting STRIP BARS as Advertisers,http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/violin.gif go after main stream business.