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Luxury
10-29-2008, 06:13 PM
So I just moved from Tacoma to Bremerton, WA and it was cool to play in a tournament with all new faces most of them very friendly. I played a few weeks ago and took 3rd place in the 8 ball tourney and last night I played it again and I came out of the loser's bracket and made it to the finals.

The tournament format was race to 2 on the winners side and race to 1 on the loser's side. (small bar tournament) Before the final started I asked the tournament director what the race would be. He told me I had to win a race to 2 then a race to one since he was undefeated in a double elimination tourney.

He wins the first game and begins celebrating. The director informs him he has to win one more. They argue for a while and I don't say a word. I'm now in a position where I have to win 3 straight games so my opponent is still confident since he put me in the loser's bracket earlier in the tournament. I make a very strong runout and now the argument is back on.

"I've never in all these years been to a tournament."
"why should a loser only have to beat you one game to put you in the loser's bracket?"
"It's not like this in the Friday tournament at the other bar."

This dialogue never stopped going even for a second as I won the next game so now it was down to one game.

I'm going for a runout and I thought about asking them both to stop arguing while I'm shooting but I knew he was already on tilt and if I got involved in an argument it might throw my game off and I didn't want to risk it since I had caught a gear.

It came down to a bank shot and I was nervous but confident. I had to play bank shape and got perfect on the 8 for the win. It was $65 and a huge confidence boost that I needed.

So how is it normally done in tournaments like this? Did the old man get robbed? Would you have told them to shut the f up?

Good times.

Luxury
10-29-2008, 06:20 PM
I can't edit from my phone. It should have said "I have never played in a tournament like this in all these years."

stick8
10-29-2008, 06:23 PM
So I just moved from Tacoma to Bremerton, WA and it was cool to play in a tournament with all new faces most of them very friendly. I played a few weeks ago and took 3rd place in the 8 ball tourney and last night I played it again and I came out of the loser's bracket and made it to the finals.

The tournament format was race to 2 on the winners side and race to 1 on the loser's side. (small bar tournament) Before the final started I asked the tournament director what the race would be. He told me I had to win a race to 2 then a race to one since he was undefeated in a double elimination tourney.

He wins the first game and begins celebrating. The director informs him he has to win one more. They argue for a while and I don't say a word. I'm now in a position where I have to win 3 straight games so my opponent is still confident since he put me in the loser's bracket earlier in the tournament. I make a very strong runout and now the argument is back on.

"I've never in all these years been to a tournament."
"why should a loser only have to beat you one game to put you in the loser's bracket?"
"It's not like this in the Friday tournament at the other bar."

This dialogue never stopped going even for a second as I won the next game so now it was down to one game.

I'm going for a runout and I thought about asking them both to stop arguing while I'm shooting but I knew he was already on tilt and if I got involved in an argument it might throw my game off and I didn't want to risk it since I had caught a gear.

It came down to a bank shot and I was nervous but confident. I had to play bank shape and got perfect on the 8 for the win. It was $65 and a huge confidence boost that I needed.

So how is it normally done in tournaments like this? Did the old man get robbed? Would you have told them to shut the f up?

Good times.
YOU SNUCK ONE By THEM !!!!!!double elemation , he just has to beat you !1 time!!!!!! HUH

rossaroni
10-29-2008, 06:27 PM
I think they got it right. I read through it rather quickly, but the first set in the finals should be race to 2 and the final set is race to 1, because you both are technically in the losers side if you beat him the first set.

MikeM
10-29-2008, 06:30 PM
YOU SNUCK ONE By THEM !!!!!!double elemation , he just has to beat you !1 time!!!!!! HUH

He said the first race was to two. And, yes, I would have told them to STFU - Nicely!

MM

Luxury
10-29-2008, 06:31 PM
YOU SNUCK ONE By THEM !!!!!!double elemation , he just has to beat you !1 time!!!!!! HUH

He didn't beat me twice. In the finals I had to beat him twice. First I had to beat him in a race to 2 then again in a race to 1. In the finals he won the first game in a race to 2.

His argument was that the first set should have been a race to 1 then he would have won the tourney.

ShootingArts
10-29-2008, 07:39 PM
For you to win you first have to put him in the loser's bracket. True double elimination, the winner's side normally has prominence over the loser's side. When everyone else had to lose two games in a match to move to the losers bracket would it have been fair to move him to the losers bracket after only losing one game? He would have been singing a far different song had he lost the first game.

Congratulations on ignoring the distractions and taking down a win the hard way.

Hu



So I just moved from Tacoma to Bremerton, WA and it was cool to play in a tournament with all new faces most of them very friendly. I played a few weeks ago and took 3rd place in the 8 ball tourney and last night I played it again and I came out of the loser's bracket and made it to the finals.

The tournament format was race to 2 on the winners side and race to 1 on the loser's side. (small bar tournament) Before the final started I asked the tournament director what the race would be. He told me I had to win a race to 2 then a race to one since he was undefeated in a double elimination tourney.

He wins the first game and begins celebrating. The director informs him he has to win one more. They argue for a while and I don't say a word. I'm now in a position where I have to win 3 straight games so my opponent is still confident since he put me in the loser's bracket earlier in the tournament. I make a very strong runout and now the argument is back on.

"I've never in all these years been to a tournament."
"why should a loser only have to beat you one game to put you in the loser's bracket?"
"It's not like this in the Friday tournament at the other bar."

This dialogue never stopped going even for a second as I won the next game so now it was down to one game.

I'm going for a runout and I thought about asking them both to stop arguing while I'm shooting but I knew he was already on tilt and if I got involved in an argument it might throw my game off and I didn't want to risk it since I had caught a gear.

It came down to a bank shot and I was nervous but confident. I had to play bank shape and got perfect on the 8 for the win. It was $65 and a huge confidence boost that I needed.

So how is it normally done in tournaments like this? Did the old man get robbed? Would you have told them to shut the f up?

Good times.

chevybob20
10-29-2008, 08:18 PM
Where did you play? I ask because I used to live there.

Ky Boy
10-29-2008, 08:26 PM
I am glad this came up. We changed our 9 ball tourney this year to race to 5 on winner's and 3 on loser's. Some guy comes in this past week and makes it to the hot seat. That guy coming out of the loser bracket doesn't know how this was going to come off. The guy in the hot seat said he only had to win 3 games opposed to the loser's bracket winning 5.

I said no this is true double elimination and he is on your turf so to speak so it is a race to 5. If he beats you then you now are both in the loser bracket and it is now a race to 3. He got this funny look on his face and said well I have never played that way before.

Thanks for clarifying!!

Gary


For you to win you first have to put him in the loser's bracket. True double elimination, the winner's side normally has prominence over the loser's side. When everyone else had to lose two games in a match to move to the losers bracket would it have been fair to move him to the losers bracket after only losing one game? He would have been singing a far different song had he lost the first game.

Congratulations on ignoring the distractions and taking down a win the hard way.

Hu

Bigtruck
10-29-2008, 08:41 PM
For you to win you first have to put him in the loser's bracket. True double elimination, the winner's side normally has prominence over the loser's side. When everyone else had to lose two games in a match to move to the losers bracket would it have been fair to move him to the losers bracket after only losing one game? He would have been singing a far different song had he lost the first game.

Congratulations on ignoring the distractions and taking down a win the hard way.

Hu

I agree with Hu here, on the format.

Yes, way to keep the cool!

Ray

poolpro
10-29-2008, 09:16 PM
I agree with the TD of your tournamnet.

I started and ran a 9 ball tournamnet here, and it was a race to 4 in the winners bracket and a race to 3 in the losers side. The finals were always a race to 4 to start. If the guy in the winners bracket won it was over. If the guy in the losers side wins then it is a race to 3 for the final match.


The thinking is that the winner is still on the winners side as he has not lost any matches, and the guy coming from the losers bracket is tranferred to the winners side at the end. In other words the winner is given priority and gets to keep the format of his bracket untill he loses a match, at which point both players are in the losers bracket and will play a shorter (losers bracket) match.

This format is supposed to reward the guy in the winners side. A longer race favors the better player, so in theory the guy in the winners side is less likely to have an upset by a weaker player.

I think that there may be a chance that your opponent knew what was up and was using the argument as an attempt to distract you and throw you off. In fact, you said that he was told before the match even started. I do not see how you get to continue to argue about it when you were made clearly aware of the format BEFORE the match.

I would have given him 2 choices :


1 shut up and play the format that was determined by the TD

2 If you will not agree with the format, just forfeit now and be done with it.

By continuing to rack and play another game he is agreeing to the format. You cannot wait to see the outcome to decide what format is fair. And the TD has final say on everything.

Congrats on the deserved win!

JW

dabarbr
10-29-2008, 10:52 PM
He didn't beat me twice. In the finals I had to beat him twice. First I had to beat him in a race to 2 then again in a race to 1. In the finals he won the first game in a race to 2.

His argument was that the first set should have been a race to 1 then he would have won the tourney.
Sounds like he was trying to sneak one in. If he had lost that first game then he would've been singing a different tune.

craig1243
10-30-2008, 01:54 AM
hi, iwas there,td was rite ,you have to win first race in final from losers side,then race to one.craig

oopsey
10-30-2008, 03:50 PM
Luxury - If you have never noticed before, the last person standing through the B side is then moved back over to the A side on a double elimination tournament board. It makes sense to do a race to 2, then race to 1 in the tournament that you described. You earned your win fair and square.

smoooothstroke
10-30-2008, 04:08 PM
Normally when they use a 2-1 format the B-side race goes to 2 games for the money matches.

Sometimes even in a double elimination tourney they will go with a single race in the finals,probably a race to 3 would have worked here.

FAST_N_LOOSE
10-30-2008, 04:09 PM
So I just moved from Tacoma to Bremerton, WA and it was cool to play in a tournament with all new faces most of them very friendly. I played a few weeks ago and took 3rd place in the 8 ball tourney and last night I played it again and I came out of the loser's bracket and made it to the finals.

The tournament format was race to 2 on the winners side and race to 1 on the loser's side. (small bar tournament) Before the final started I asked the tournament director what the race would be. He told me I had to win a race to 2 then a race to one since he was undefeated in a double elimination tourney.

He wins the first game and begins celebrating. The director informs him he has to win one more. They argue for a while and I don't say a word. I'm now in a position where I have to win 3 straight games so my opponent is still confident since he put me in the loser's bracket earlier in the tournament. I make a very strong runout and now the argument is back on.

"I've never in all these years been to a tournament."
"why should a loser only have to beat you one game to put you in the loser's bracket?"
"It's not like this in the Friday tournament at the other bar."

This dialogue never stopped going even for a second as I won the next game so now it was down to one game.

I'm going for a runout and I thought about asking them both to stop arguing while I'm shooting but I knew he was already on tilt and if I got involved in an argument it might throw my game off and I didn't want to risk it since I had caught a gear.

It came down to a bank shot and I was nervous but confident. I had to play bank shape and got perfect on the 8 for the win. It was $65 and a huge confidence boost that I needed.

So how is it normally done in tournaments like this? Did the old man get robbed? Would you have told them to shut the f up?

Good times.

THERE ARE TWO TAKES ON THIS ONE.....

AND BOTH ARE RIGHT IF THERE WAS NO PRIOR EXPLANATION......WINNER OF LOSERS SIDE SHOULD HAVE TO WIN A RACE TO TWO, AND A RACE TO 1...THE OTHER SIDE IS THE WINNER SHOULD ONLY HAVE TO WIN 1 GAME BECAUSE YOU WERE ON THE LOSERS SIDE. THAT'S WHY.........

ONE OF THE BAR TOURNEYS I RUN IS SIMILAR TO THAT SET UP AND THIS IS HOW I DO IT.

WINNERS SIDE RACE TO 2
LOSERS SIDE RACE TO 1
FINAL OF LOSERS SIDE RACE TO 2
FINAL MATCH WINNERS SIDE MUST WIN 2 GAMES, LOSERS SIDE MUST WIN THREE.

P.S. SO THE OLD GUY THOUGHT YOU HAD TO BEAT HIM 3-1 TO WIN THE TOURNEY? THAT'S WEIRD.

JoeyA
10-30-2008, 05:04 PM
So I just moved from Tacoma to Bremerton, WA and it was cool to play in a tournament with all new faces most of them very friendly. I played a few weeks ago and took 3rd place in the 8 ball tourney and last night I played it again and I came out of the loser's bracket and made it to the finals.

The tournament format was race to 2 on the winners side and race to 1 on the loser's side. (small bar tournament) Before the final started I asked the tournament director what the race would be. He told me I had to win a race to 2 then a race to one since he was undefeated in a double elimination tourney.

He wins the first game and begins celebrating. The director informs him he has to win one more. They argue for a while and I don't say a word. I'm now in a position where I have to win 3 straight games so my opponent is still confident since he put me in the loser's bracket earlier in the tournament. I make a very strong runout and now the argument is back on.

"I've never in all these years been to a tournament."
"why should a loser only have to beat you one game to put you in the loser's bracket?"
"It's not like this in the Friday tournament at the other bar."

This dialogue never stopped going even for a second as I won the next game so now it was down to one game.

I'm going for a runout and I thought about asking them both to stop arguing while I'm shooting but I knew he was already on tilt and if I got involved in an argument it might throw my game off and I didn't want to risk it since I had caught a gear.

It came down to a bank shot and I was nervous but confident. I had to play bank shape and got perfect on the 8 for the win. It was $65 and a huge confidence boost that I needed.

So how is it normally done in tournaments like this? Did the old man get robbed? Would you have told them to shut the f up?

Good times.

There are cry babies in every pool hall in the country. Yeah, I would have told him to STFU unless he was really old. :D
JoeyA

alstl
10-30-2008, 06:00 PM
So I just moved from Tacoma to Bremerton, WA and it was cool to play in a tournament with all new faces most of them very friendly. I played a few weeks ago and took 3rd place in the 8 ball tourney and last night I played it again and I came out of the loser's bracket and made it to the finals.

The tournament format was race to 2 on the winners side and race to 1 on the loser's side. (small bar tournament) Before the final started I asked the tournament director what the race would be. He told me I had to win a race to 2 then a race to one since he was undefeated in a double elimination tourney.

He wins the first game and begins celebrating. The director informs him he has to win one more. They argue for a while and I don't say a word. I'm now in a position where I have to win 3 straight games so my opponent is still confident since he put me in the loser's bracket earlier in the tournament. I make a very strong runout and now the argument is back on.

"I've never in all these years been to a tournament."
"why should a loser only have to beat you one game to put you in the loser's bracket?"
"It's not like this in the Friday tournament at the other bar."

This dialogue never stopped going even for a second as I won the next game so now it was down to one game.

I'm going for a runout and I thought about asking them both to stop arguing while I'm shooting but I knew he was already on tilt and if I got involved in an argument it might throw my game off and I didn't want to risk it since I had caught a gear.

It came down to a bank shot and I was nervous but confident. I had to play bank shape and got perfect on the 8 for the win. It was $65 and a huge confidence boost that I needed.

So how is it normally done in tournaments like this? Did the old man get robbed? Would you have told them to shut the f up?

Good times.

The question is how things are normally done in a small 8 ball bar tournament? There are probably nearly as many different ways of running small bar tournaments as there are small bar tournaments.

poolfire
10-30-2008, 06:07 PM
Luxury - If you have never noticed before, the last person standing through the B side is then moved back over to the A side on a double elimination tournament board. It makes sense to do a race to 2, then race to 1 in the tournament that you described. You earned your win fair and square.


that says it period.. only one way to look at it just like the bracket is drawn up