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chin0
05-18-2009, 08:57 PM
Hi all,

So right now, I am in a pretty crappy mood, here is the cause of it:

Today, my dad told me he wanted to play snooker, so I told him, great, there is Big Bertha down at Ray Rec. So I personally go down to Ray Rec around 6pm and told the owner, I want to reserve Big Bertha, and I will be in here around 8:30 to 9PM with my dad because he wanted to play snooker. So the owner marks it down and told me sure thing.

After I got finished with dinner with my pops, he took his one piece snooker cue with him to Ray Rec. As I go down there, it was 8:45PM, and two regulars were down there playing. So I told the owner, wassup with that? He said, oh they are gambling. I asked, how long are they going to be, and he just sort of ignored me and told me, I don't know. I took a set of pool balls, and started playing on the GC and I was pretty pissed off the whole time.

I personally think that if I reserved the table, I have the right to the table. Maybe some of you guys see this differently, maybe I am overreacting, but I don't think that he acted ethically business wise. What do you all think? Yes, I understand they are gambling, but he should have told them before they got on Big Bertha that someone is coming in at 8:30 to 9:00 and I would need this table by than. I might be just throwing a fit like a child, but F**K that sh!t.

I think I am not going to go back down there after this incident and just start going to Shooters in Olathe. It is a much further drive, but I'd rather spend the gas money than get treated like I don't pay like everyone else.

Chino

bigshooter
05-18-2009, 09:03 PM
Seems low rent to me, he should have told them the table was reserved at that time before they even started playing.

stormshadow1
05-18-2009, 09:06 PM
Hi all,

So right now, I am in a pretty crappy mood, here is the cause of it:

Today, my dad told me he wanted to play snooker, so I told him, great, there is Big Bertha down at Ray Rec. So I personally go down to Ray Rec around 6pm and told the owner, I want to reserve Big Bertha, and I will be in here around 8:30 to 9PM with my dad because he wanted to play snooker. So the owner marks it down and told me sure thing.

After I got finished with dinner with my pops, he took his one piece snooker cue with him to Ray Rec. As I go down there, it was 8:45PM, and two regulars were down there playing. So I told the owner, wassup with that? He said, oh they are gambling. I asked, how long are they going to be, and he just sort of ignored me and told me, I don't know. I took a set of pool balls, and started playing on the GC and I was pretty pissed off the whole time.

I personally think that if I reserved the table, I have the right to the table. Maybe some of you guys see this differently, maybe I am overreacting, but I don't think that he acted ethically business wise. What do you all think? Yes, I understand they are gambling, but he should have told them before they got on Big Bertha that someone is coming in at 8:30 to 9:00 and I would need this table by than. I might be just throwing a fit like a child, but F**K that sh!t.

I think I am not going to go back down there after this incident and just start going to Shooters in Olathe. It is a much further drive, but I'd rather spend the gas money than get treated like I don't pay like everyone else.

ChinoI think thats total BS!!You called ahead of time to make sure you and your dad could play.Then go down there. I am sure its not right up the street and they say no because the regulars are gambling.I would have been highly irritated!!!I dont think they get what the word "reservation" means!!:angry:

eze
05-18-2009, 09:07 PM
Hi all,

So right now, I am in a pretty crappy mood, here is the cause of it:

Today, my dad told me he wanted to play snooker, so I told him, great, there is Big Bertha down at Ray Rec. So I personally go down to Ray Rec around 6pm and told the owner, I want to reserve Big Bertha, and I will be in here around 8:30 to 9PM with my dad because he wanted to play snooker. So the owner marks it down and told me sure thing.

After I got finished with dinner with my pops, he took his one piece snooker cue with him to Ray Rec. As I go down there, it was 8:45PM, and two regulars were down there playing. So I told the owner, wassup with that? He said, oh they are gambling. I asked, how long are they going to be, and he just sort of ignored me and told me, I don't know. I took a set of pool balls, and started playing on the GC and I was pretty pissed off the whole time.

I personally think that if I reserved the table, I have the right to the table. Maybe some of you guys see this differently, maybe I am overreacting, but I don't think that he acted ethically business wise. What do you all think? Yes, I understand they are gambling, but he should have told them before they got on Big Bertha that someone is coming in at 8:30 to 9:00 and I would need this table by than. I might be just throwing a fit like a child, but F**K that sh!t.

I think I am not going to go back down there after this incident and just start going to Shooters in Olathe. It is a much further drive, but I'd rather spend the gas money than get treated like I don't pay like everyone else.

Chino

I never heard of some reserving a pool table,,,,,,
First come first served.

New to me,,,,,,

bigshooter
05-18-2009, 09:11 PM
I never heard of some reserving a pool table,,,,,,
First come first served.

New to me,,,,,,

May be new to you but if the owner gave his word in person it should be honored.

chin0
05-18-2009, 09:16 PM
Seems low rent to me, he should have told them the table was reserved at that time before they even started playing.

I wouldn't mind them playing on the table if I weren't there, I mean money is money, I understand that. If I walk in and someone were in the middle of a game, sure, finish the game by all means, I wouldn't make someone get off the table as soon as I walk in. I think that I am being reasonable.

I think thats total BS!!You called ahead of time to make sure you and your dad could play.Then go down there. I am sure its not right up the street and they say no because the regulars are gambling.I would have been highly irritated!!!I dont think they get what the word "reservation" means!!:angry:

Obviously not, that is exactly what I thought. The thing that ticked me off the most is, my dad has been wanting to play snooker for years, and he rarely would agree to come and shoot some with me. This was special to me you know, that is why I am so pissed. The owner had the nerves to say, hopefully next time you come in here we would have a table for you to play snooker on, because not too many people play snooker. Yea, sure, I don't think I would try it again next time and get highly dissapointed again.

I never heard of some reserving a pool table,,,,,,
First come first served.

New to me,,,,,,

Maybe that is the same rule they go by, so...
He should have told me when I was reserving the table, "FIRST COME FIRST SERVE." instead of "SURE!" with a ef-ing grind on his face.
Or if a tourney or league is going on, there are signs at Sidepockets that says reserved on it, so obviously it is not unheard of. Luckily they don't run a tourney down there with this first come first serve crap in mind.

Cuebuddy
05-18-2009, 09:21 PM
I have had tables reserved for me before, and when I arrived players were ushered to another table. I don't blame you for not going back there but I would want the owner to know that he lost customers so that a couple of other players could trade money.

Hobbes
05-18-2009, 09:26 PM
I agree if he said a reservation was okay, then it should have been yours. But I do think you're a little too upset. Think about the real problems going on in the world around you. If this is your biggest problem then you really have nothing to gripe about. You know? Take a deep breath and play some snooker with your dad next chance you get.

chin0
05-18-2009, 09:28 PM
I have had tables reserved for me before, and when I arrived players were ushered to another table. I don't blame you for not going back there but I would want the owner to know that he lost customers so that a couple of other players could trade money.

I wanted to explode in his face, but I didn't want to cause a giant scene and I have a bit of an anger issue, so I just kept my mouth shut and kept my anger under control. I feel that exploding in his face is not going to help the situation and I wanted to handle it like an adult and grow out of wanting to beat down everything that gets in the way. I might wait a few days or sleep over it to calm down a bit and go back down there and tell him to his face that I am not going back down there because of that incident. Thanks for everyones opinions, I just didn't know whether or not I overreacted to the situation being clouded with anger.

memikey
05-18-2009, 09:34 PM
Hi all,

So right now, I am in a pretty crappy mood, here is the cause of it:

Today, my dad told me he wanted to play snooker, so I told him, great, there is Big Bertha down at Ray Rec. So I personally go down to Ray Rec around 6pm and told the owner, I want to reserve Big Bertha, and I will be in here around 8:30 to 9PM with my dad because he wanted to play snooker. So the owner marks it down and told me sure thing.

After I got finished with dinner with my pops, he took his one piece snooker cue with him to Ray Rec. As I go down there, it was 8:45PM, and two regulars were down there playing. So I told the owner, wassup with that? He said, oh they are gambling. I asked, how long are they going to be, and he just sort of ignored me and told me, I don't know. I took a set of pool balls, and started playing on the GC and I was pretty pissed off the whole time.

I personally think that if I reserved the table, I have the right to the table. Maybe some of you guys see this differently, maybe I am overreacting, but I don't think that he acted ethically business wise. What do you all think? Yes, I understand they are gambling, but he should have told them before they got on Big Bertha that someone is coming in at 8:30 to 9:00 and I would need this table by than. I might be just throwing a fit like a child, but F**K that sh!t.

I think I am not going to go back down there after this incident and just start going to Shooters in Olathe. It is a much further drive, but I'd rather spend the gas money than get treated like I don't pay like everyone else.

Chino

You don't say how long these guys had been playing on the table before you arrived at 8.45 (you were late for your booking it seems, or were you intending to pay for the table from 8.30 irrespective of what time you actually arrived?). Did they just go on the table shortly after 8.30 or had they been on for quite some time before that? If it's the former you don't have much of a case, if it's the latter you should have been entitled to expect the room owner to get them off by 9 at the latest.

But also consider this......let's say something had come up and you didn't actually go to the room and didn't let the room owner know well before 8.30 that you weren't coming so that he could rent the table to someone else who might in the meantime come in asking to use it.........if you can honestly answer the question "would you have paid the owner for any table time rent he lost out on?" with a definite "yes" .....then you are justified in being very miffed.

If you can't honestly answer that question with a yes you might have to think again. Why didn't you pay him for some table time when you visited the room in person to book it......then you'd really have an excuse to be miffed if he didn't get the others off the table pretty soon after you arrived?

Sometimes it's not easy being a room owner, damned if you do and damned if you don't. If for example he's got someone badgering him for that table at 8.40 and about to leave his room if they don't get it and there's no sign of you arriving, what's he to do? :)

Race2-9
05-18-2009, 09:35 PM
From what I saw the BCA event was great....great competition, run well, and enough vendors to find whatever you needed. The RIV on the other hand , I thought sucked, most of the staff seemed like they wanted to be anywhere but where they were to down right rude! There was never enough staff on duty and the food was beyond description in a negative way! Probably wouldn't hurt to clean the damn place either. With the economy the way it is, having a tournament at all is hard enough....but the host facility needs to be better...if I ever go back I'll put into my budget for taxi service and stay at a casino that at least acts like they want me there. Mark and company work hard to put on the event and I hope they will either find another venue in Vegas or move to another city if thats what's needed. Just my thoughts.

chin0
05-18-2009, 09:35 PM
I agree if he said a reservation was okay, then it should have been yours. But I do think you're a little too upset. Think about the real problems going on in the world around you. If this is your biggest problem then you really have nothing to gripe about. You know? Take a deep breath and play some snooker with your dad next chance you get.


Could be, I personally think I acted very very mildly to the situation. I didn't even confront him about it. I just grabbed a set of pool balls and walked off after he ignored me knowing I reserved the table. I didn't even hear an apology. When my dad went to go pay table time, I just grabbed my stuff and walked out without saying a word to him. Maybe my definition of upset is very different than yours in your world. My dad said he apologized to him and told him maybe next time, the person he should have instantly apologized to was me, because he made me look like an ef-ing jack-ass bringing and promising my dad that he would be able to play snooker tonight.

jay helfert
05-18-2009, 09:39 PM
I never took reservations at any poolroom I owned. Unless it was for a big party and they paid a deposit in advance. That said, if the owner gave his word, he should abide by it. He probably figured you weren't going to show up anyway. That may have happened to him before with advance reservations. To guarantee the table, I would have paid him one hours time in advance. That would have solidified your reservation and let him know you were definitely coming back.

Like someone else said, in the overall scheme of things it ain't that bad. Sleep on it and you'll get it in perspective the next day. Not a bad idea to go back (when you calm down) and talk to the owner about it. He should offer you some free table time to make up for it IMO. Don't be afraid to ask him for some free time to make up for the inconsideration. You'll find out if he's any good or not.

eze
05-18-2009, 09:40 PM
From what I saw the BCA event was great....great competition, run well, and enough vendors to find whatever you needed. The RIV on the other hand , I thought sucked, most of the staff seemed like they wanted to be anywhere but where they were to down right rude! There was never enough staff on duty and the food was beyond description in a negative way! Probably wouldn't hurt to clean the damn place either. With the economy the way it is, having a tournament at all is hard enough....but the host facility needs to be better...if I ever go back I'll put into my budget for taxi service and stay at a casino that at least acts like they want me there. Mark and company work hard to put on the event and I hope they will either find another venue in Vegas or move to another city if thats what's needed. Just my thoughts.

Did you read this guys post?

chin0
05-18-2009, 09:46 PM
You don't say how long these guys had been playing on the table before you arrived at 8.45 (you were late for your booking it seems). Did they just go on the table shortly after 8.30 or had they been on for quite some time before that? If it's the former you don't have much of a case, if it's the latter you should have been entitled to expect the room owner to get them off by 9 at the latest.

But also consider this......let's say something had come up and you didn't actually go to the room and didn't let the room owner know well before 8.30 that you weren't coming so that he could rent the table to someone else who might in the meantime come in asking to use it.........if you can honestly answer the question "would you have paid the owner for any table time rent he lost out on?" with a definite "yes" .....then you are justified in being very miffed.

If you can't honestly answer that question with a yes you might have to think again. Why didn't you pay him for some table time when you visited the room in person to book it......then you'd really have an excuse to be miffed if he didn't get the others off the table pretty soon after you arrived?

Sometimes it's not easy being a room owner, damned if you do and damned if you don't. If for example he's got someone badgering him for that table at 8.40 and about to leave his room if they don't get it and there's no sign of you arriving, what's he to do? :)

I can tell you this, I told the owner it would be around 8:30 to 9:00 that I would be showing up. At the time I reserved the table, no one was on it playing. If he wanted something down on the table to hold it, I can honestly tell you, yes, I would pay him up front for the table time. Even if he wanted me to give him the 3 hours of hold time ($3 for single person practice and $7 for two people and up) I would easily given him $21 to hold the table for me. I have never ever asked him to reserve a table for me, so for me to ask him to reserve the table for me, I meant it and I would come back. It is $7 an hour, if something had came up and he held the table for me all night, I would gladly pay him however many hours he clocked the table without a fuss, because he at least held and reserved the table for me. I am a man of my word, and I don't break that very easily. If I knew I couldn't have made it up there, I would've called before 8:30 and told him I can't make it, he can let someone else use the table, and he can by all means keep the $21 I gave him to hold the table. I wouldn't mind if he asked for $30 to hold the table. Money is not the issue here, it is the principal, and the special occasion for me that my dad was going to finally go shoot some with me. Let's say you had reservation at a restaurant for your 25th wedding anniversary and you come in and the owner gave your table away and doesn't even apologize to you, how would you feel?

Cameron Smith
05-18-2009, 09:47 PM
Out of curiousity, how long did they stay on the table? By that I mean, did they start another set once they were finished?

Either way, it's foul play. But it's a little more understandable if they were just going to finish out the set they were on.

pool_rob9
05-18-2009, 09:53 PM
If the owner had any intention of not honoring the reservation or had believed you wouldn't show, he should have made the declaration of first come first serve and not led you to believe you would have it. He should have informed people playing on it he had made the reservation. He should have at least been exteamly apologetic and offered some comensation like free time on the GC till it came open. It was the owners fault and he should have made ammends and you should be upset with him. You didn't blow up at him or go off in the joint or do anything stupid so no over reaction just understandable frustration that you will probably let go of for the most part after a few days and making a new home at a new pool hall. If it was the owner and not just an employee then a boycott of the place is well warrented in my opinion. If it had just been an employee then the complaint could be sent to the owner and you could see if the owner could straighten it out, but the owner is where the buck stops and so should your patronage of the establishment if there is a more costomer friendly venue. Just my opinion...I could be wrong;)

chin0
05-18-2009, 10:05 PM
I never took reservations at any poolroom I owned. Unless it was for a big party and they paid a deposit in advance. That said, if the owner gave his word, he should abide by it. He probably figured you weren't going to show up anyway. That may have happened to him before with advance reservations. To guarantee the table, I would have paid him one hours time in advance. That would have solidified your reservation and let him know you were definitely coming back.

Like someone else said, in the overall scheme of things it ain't that bad. Sleep on it and you'll get it in perspective the next day. Not a bad idea to go back (when you calm down) and talk to the owner about it. He should offer you some free table time to make up for it IMO. Don't be afraid to ask him for some free time to make up for the inconsideration. You'll find out if he's any good or not.


I understand that some people would tell you plenty of things in advance and not show up and snake out at the very last minute. If he felt uncomfortable holding a table, he could've asked me for a deposit. I can tell you and everyone else here, God's honest truth and on my own grave, if he asked for a deposit for the hours that he had to hold it, I would happily pay it knowing that I would get the table when I get there. I will have a talk with the owner when I calm down and let the steam blow over my head, I don't feel that he deserved to have me explode in his face, given the fact that he taught me quit a lot of things regarding shooting pool and etc, kind of like a mentor to me at times (Which I do appreciate a lot even though I am pissed).

Did you read this guys post?

lol I figured he just posted it in the wrong thread

Out of curiousity, how long did they stay on the table? By that I mean, did they start another set once they were finished?

Either way, it's foul play. But it's a little more understandable if they were just going to finish out the set they were on.

Well hey started plenty of new games on the table. I have no clue how many sets they were playing, like I said earlier, if they wanted to finish the game they had started, by all means take your time, but once that game is done, I think the table should be mine. I got there at 8:45 and didn't leave until 10:45, I waited 2 hours for the guys to finish their game, and they kept going and the owner didn't even acknowledge it. I think giving them 2 hours was way lenient

If the owner had any intention of not honoring the reservation or had believed you wouldn't show, he should have made the declaration of first come first serve and not led you to believe you would have it. He should have informed people playing on it he had made the reservation. He should have at least been exteamly apologetic and offered some comensation like free time on the GC till it came open. It was the owners fault and he should have made ammends and you should be upset with him. You didn't blow up at him or go off in the joint or do anything stupid so no over reaction just understandable frustration that you will probably let go of for the most part after a few days and making a new home at a new pool hall. If it was the owner and not just an employee then a boycott of the place is well warrented in my opinion. If it had just been an employee then the complaint could be sent to the owner and you could see if the owner could straighten it out, but the owner is where the buck stops and so should your patronage of the establishment if there is a more costomer friendly venue. Just my opinion...I could be wrong;)

Yea, an apology would've really been enough you know. I don't go around looking to get free stuff off of people. I feel that if you receive, you should also give. I will talk to the owner about it and let him know how I feel about the situation. I just want to be reasonable about it, because I kind of felt cheated and betrayed that you told me to my face you will hold the table for me, and I considered the owner as a friend and he just gave my table away.

real irish
05-18-2009, 10:12 PM
CHINO -- when deciding where to spend your pool time and money always support the room owner who treats his customers the best . A owner that gets to know all the patrons on a first name basis , understands what players want in a pool room and is not afraid to give discounts to regulars who treat the room and the owner with respect . IMO you are right about what happened . Don't settle for less !!!

real irish
05-18-2009, 10:17 PM
CHINO... Also... You can't go wrong with playing at SHOOTERS . It is one of the most famous rooms in the world . Dan Tull is a great guy and his staff is very good . Your game will improve just by playing and hanging out there !!!

chin0
05-18-2009, 10:25 PM
CHINO -- when deciding where to spend your pool time and money always support the room owner who treats his customers the best . A owner that gets to know all the patrons on a first name basis , understands what players want in a pool room and is not afraid to give discounts to regulars who treat the room and the owner with respect . IMO you are right about what happened . Don't settle for less !!!

I mean he is generally a nice guy, I respect him, his room, his equipment, and I always play with full etiquette. I don't go banging his sticks on the table when I am pissed, or banging the balls on the table hard. I respect the game a lot.

CHINO... Also... You can't go wrong with playing at SHOOTERS . It is one of the most famous rooms in the world . Dan Tull is a great guy and his staff is very good . Your game will improve just by playing and hanging out there !!!

Haha, I like Shooters a lot as well. I went up there once with Eric. (fellow AZ'er) and I love their tables, They keep that place in really good shape, not to mention the food is good lol.

OK guys, I'm over the situation now, I'm not even pissed anymore, and the cigarette is finally great again :) I'll just mention it to the owner when I go down there next time, and I am thinking of switching rooms to Shooters. Danny is no longer running the 14.1 league at Ray Rec. There isn't enough people to play. We need three more players to keep it running if anyone is interested to join.

memikey
05-19-2009, 01:01 AM
Well sounds like you are a straight up guy and that it is reasonable for the owner to have already known that to be the case as you were far from a stranger to him.

You deserve an apology and if he is worth his salt you shouldn't have to ask for it once you've calmly explained to him that you were a bit unhappy with the way it was dealt with.

Good shooting anyway!

Is it a "proper" :) snooker table or just a 10 footer for the wanabees? :p

Sweet Marissa
05-19-2009, 08:04 AM
Some people make reservations but never show up. I probably would have left a deposit for table time, especially if it's the only snooker table and popular enough to warrant a reservation.

I understand your frustration, though. The owner could have at least called you to save you the trip down there.

I wish we had a snooker table here :(

CreeDo
05-19-2009, 05:29 PM
see, this is where you're supposed to break your hand :D

chin0
05-20-2009, 12:03 AM
Well sounds like you are a straight up guy and that it is reasonable for the owner to have already known that to be the case as you were far from a stranger to him.

You deserve an apology and if he is worth his salt you shouldn't have to ask for it once you've calmly explained to him that you were a bit unhappy with the way it was dealt with.

Good shooting anyway!

Is it a "proper" :) snooker table or just a 10 footer for the wanabees? :p

It is a 10 foot pool table, but being a 10 footer, it is the closest thing around to a snooker table. I don't know anywhere around KC that has a snooker table, an actual 6x12

Some people make reservations but never show up. I probably would have left a deposit for table time, especially if it's the only snooker table and popular enough to warrant a reservation.

I understand your frustration, though. The owner could have at least called you to save you the trip down there.

I wish we had a snooker table here :(

That or when I showed up, at least apologize or tell the guys, hey this guy reserved the table.

see, this is where you're supposed to break your hand :D

:D lmao that would've put me in much more trouble. Plus, I don't want to risk getting my a$$ handed to me lol

Black-Balled
05-20-2009, 06:27 AM
I never heard of some reserving a pool table,,,,,,
First come first served.

New to me,,,,,,

I agree, but the customer shouldn't be led to believe it was otherwise- nor should the customer flatter himself by thinking the room would turn a sure rental down in favor of an expected one.

These rooms want all the tables going all the time.

Black-Balled
05-20-2009, 06:50 AM
I can tell you this, ..I would ... I would ...I would ...I would've ...I wouldn't ...
Money is not the issue here, it is the principal, ...

Too many coulda-wouldas...irrelevant, except now you know what to do next time. Give the deposit, impress you Dad by getting him on the table and showing that it was important to you to do so. Extend the hand to the room by making it a guaranteeed thing. (and get a receipt w/ date, time, $!)

And, it is actually principle;). Principal runs the School.;)

IMO, the only fact that is relevant is that the business is there to make $. If dingo behind the counter thinks it is in his best interest to rent to someone who is there, even though he knows he stated availability to an incoming party...well that sucks if the incoming party shows up.

Do I think dingo thinks about this until it plays out? Nope.

Klink
05-20-2009, 06:52 AM
I hope you still enjoyed the time you had playing pool with your dad and did not let you getting upset ruin your night.
How did your dad feel about playing pool instead of snooker?

I wish I could just go back and enjoy the time spent with my dad and not let the little stuff (or the big stuff for that matter) get in the way of that.

Jason Robichaud
05-20-2009, 07:11 AM
Should have asked the guys on the table when they finished the game... tell them you reserved and the owner gave the table away, dad came in outta town or something to visit and play some. If they gave the shove-off, setup shop beside them and be as loud and annoying as possible. I would bet these guys probably said, screw that, we come here all the time and want the table.

That said, regulars is money in the bank and hard to turn away when you don't know if the other guy is showing.

I would be pissed for them giving the table away and as a regular would be pissed that I spend loads of money and can't play. The owner should toss a bone for the grief.

12310bch
05-20-2009, 08:54 AM
What's snoooker ?

chin0
05-20-2009, 11:21 AM
Too many coulda-wouldas...irrelevant, except now you know what to do next time. Give the deposit, impress you Dad by getting him on the table and showing that it was important to you to do so. Extend the hand to the room by making it a guaranteeed thing. (and get a receipt w/ date, time, $!)

And, it is actually principle;). Principal runs the School.;)

IMO, the only fact that is relevant is that the business is there to make $. If dingo behind the counter thinks it is in his best interest to rent to someone who is there, even though he knows he stated availability to an incoming party...well that sucks if the incoming party shows up.

Do I think dingo thinks about this until it plays out? Nope.

Yea, I'm over it, next time I know what to do to make sure I'm going to get my table. I still think it was the owners duty to tell the customer that he wants a deposit or whatever to hold the table and state the conditions rather than just saying sure I'll hold it for you than don't. I'll go talk to him about it today. Just tell him that not reserving the table for me was not right and if wasn't going to hold the table, he should've just told me so. You won't hurt my feelings telling me no reservation.

I hope you still enjoyed the time you had playing pool with your dad and did not let you getting upset ruin your night.
How did your dad feel about playing pool instead of snooker?

I wish I could just go back and enjoy the time spent with my dad and not let the little stuff (or the big stuff for that matter) get in the way of that.

I was pissed but I had a great time with my dad nonetheless. Wish my bro could've been there too but he's busy with school. My dad thinks pool is ok, but he is a snooker player. He was shooting with a snooker cue lol.

Should have asked the guys on the table when they finished the game... tell them you reserved and the owner gave the table away, dad came in outta town or something to visit and play some. If they gave the shove-off, setup shop beside them and be as loud and annoying as possible. I would bet these guys probably said, screw that, we come here all the time and want the table.

That said, regulars is money in the bank and hard to turn away when you don't know if the other guy is showing.

I would be pissed for them giving the table away and as a regular would be pissed that I spend loads of money and can't play. The owner should toss a bone for the grief.

Yea, I just thought it was the owners job and not mine. Yea those guys are regulars, how do I know? Because I'm a regular lol

What's snoooker ?

:confused: joke sarcasm? if so let me know in advance so i can counter it with a smart comment

12310bch
05-20-2009, 09:24 PM
Just a joke .Looking forward to your smart comment!

TheBook
05-20-2009, 09:40 PM
I never took reservations at any poolroom I owned. Unless it was for a big party and they paid a deposit in advance. That said, if the owner gave his word, he should abide by it. He probably figured you weren't going to show up anyway. That may have happened to him before with advance reservations. To guarantee the table, I would have paid him one hours time in advance. That would have solidified your reservation and let him know you were definitely coming back.

Like someone else said, in the overall scheme of things it ain't that bad. Sleep on it and you'll get it in perspective the next day. Not a bad idea to go back (when you calm down) and talk to the owner about it. He should offer you some free table time to make up for it IMO. Don't be afraid to ask him for some free time to make up for the inconsideration. You'll find out if he's any good or not.

Couldn't have said it any better. I was reading about Chuck Daley, former coach of the Pistons. He would always cool down before confronting a player, and usually it would be the next day. I think everyone should follow that.

chin0
05-20-2009, 11:35 PM
lol I didn't have a smart comment ready

Rethunk
05-30-2009, 08:48 AM
lol I didn't have a smart comment ready

Sorry to hear that visit sucked.

Since you're a snooker player, I want to let you know that I'm putting together a list of all pool halls in the U.S. with snooker tables. I have about 170 confirmed listings including a number in your area of the country:

10 in Missouri
5 in Kansas
2 in Nebraska
4 in Iowa

Maybe you'll find a different place to visit that you'll like better.

Once the list is posted, please let me know if you're aware of other pool halls, rec centers, or private clubs with snooker tables. They can be hard to find.

chin0
05-31-2009, 12:59 AM
Sorry to hear that visit sucked.

Since you're a snooker player, I want to let you know that I'm putting together a list of all pool halls in the U.S. with snooker tables. I have about 170 confirmed listings including a number in your area of the country:

10 in Missouri
5 in Kansas
2 in Nebraska
4 in Iowa

Maybe you'll find a different place to visit that you'll like better.

Once the list is posted, please let me know if you're aware of other pool halls, rec centers, or private clubs with snooker tables. They can be hard to find.

There are 10 in Missouri???? Really, please let me know where they are, if I find anything more in the MO area, I'd definitely let you know. But it looks like you are 9 ahead of me, I only know of that one in Ray Rec.

I am totally over the situation and I didn't even bother talking with the owner, I just took it as a lesson and know what I have to do next time.


Chino

gunzby
05-31-2009, 01:07 AM
I used to work in a pool hall and this is how we dealt with reserves:

We would get calls to reserve tables starting at the time they open. Basically if someone was on the table at 7pm and someone else had it reserved for 8 it didn't mean we kicked em off the table at 8. What it meant was that they would play the amount of time they desired and the person who had the 8pm time reserved would get it next.

I could reserve a table for 8 and be lucky to get it at 10pm....that's just the way it goes.

What you are talking about is a double edged sword. You expect the owner to dump one customer for another.....either way a customer is going to be pissed off about it and I'd imagine the one playing will be more pissed off than the one not playing.

chin0
05-31-2009, 01:32 AM
Yea, well I didn't know that is how it worked, now I know that there is no such thing as reserving a pool table. He could've let me know ahead so it wouldn't have wasted my dad and my time, we would've just stayed home or did something else, rather than getting my dad's hopes up that he could go play snooker. Like I said though, I don't care about the situation anymore, so next time if my dad can make it down there, I'd just call ahead of time to see if the table is open or just go down there early when I know the table is open.

Hopefully Rethunk has found me somewhere else in my area that has another snooker table for my pops to play on.

Chino

jason
05-31-2009, 01:49 AM
Hi all,

So right now, I am in a pretty crappy mood, here is the cause of it:

Today, my dad told me he wanted to play snooker, so I told him, great, there is Big Bertha down at Ray Rec. So I personally go down to Ray Rec around 6pm and told the owner, I want to reserve Big Bertha, and I will be in here around 8:30 to 9PM with my dad because he wanted to play snooker. So the owner marks it down and told me sure thing.

After I got finished with dinner with my pops, he took his one piece snooker cue with him to Ray Rec. As I go down there, it was 8:45PM, and two regulars were down there playing. So I told the owner, wassup with that? He said, oh they are gambling. I asked, how long are they going to be, and he just sort of ignored me and told me, I don't know. I took a set of pool balls, and started playing on the GC and I was pretty pissed off the whole time.

I personally think that if I reserved the table, I have the right to the table. Maybe some of you guys see this differently, maybe I am overreacting, but I don't think that he acted ethically business wise. What do you all think? Yes, I understand they are gambling, but he should have told them before they got on Big Bertha that someone is coming in at 8:30 to 9:00 and I would need this table by than. I might be just throwing a fit like a child, but F**K that sh!t.

I think I am not going to go back down there after this incident and just start going to Shooters in Olathe. It is a much further drive, but I'd rather spend the gas money than get treated like I don't pay like everyone else.

Chino

Pool is not like golf or a restaurant. It really is more like a first come, first serve business. I understand your beef, but in all fairness be real. You reserved a table verbally. Did you put money down and prepay? I doubt it. It is very difficult for anyone to hold a table. Were you willing to pay double time?

Like I said, I understand your beef but don't too hard on the guy. Next time, throw him some money up front and you will probably be fine. If not, you will definitely have something to ***** about.

Good luck.

chin0
05-31-2009, 02:02 AM
If I knew I had to throw down a down payment, I would've did it with no questions asked. We have gone over it a few times in the past page, thanks for the thought though, I will run that by the owner if I ever try to reserve a table again. I don't have beef or anything with the owner, like I have said, it was probably just miscommunication or what-not, I don't stress it anymore, I have gotten over it.

poolplayer2093
05-31-2009, 02:17 AM
Hi all,

So right now, I am in a pretty crappy mood, here is the cause of it:

Today, my dad told me he wanted to play snooker, so I told him, great, there is Big Bertha down at Ray Rec. So I personally go down to Ray Rec around 6pm and told the owner, I want to reserve Big Bertha, and I will be in here around 8:30 to 9PM with my dad because he wanted to play snooker. So the owner marks it down and told me sure thing.

After I got finished with dinner with my pops, he took his one piece snooker cue with him to Ray Rec. As I go down there, it was 8:45PM, and two regulars were down there playing. So I told the owner, wassup with that? He said, oh they are gambling. I asked, how long are they going to be, and he just sort of ignored me and told me, I don't know. I took a set of pool balls, and started playing on the GC and I was pretty pissed off the whole time.

I personally think that if I reserved the table, I have the right to the table. Maybe some of you guys see this differently, maybe I am overreacting, but I don't think that he acted ethically business wise. What do you all think? Yes, I understand they are gambling, but he should have told them before they got on Big Bertha that someone is coming in at 8:30 to 9:00 and I would need this table by than. I might be just throwing a fit like a child, but F**K that sh!t.

I think I am not going to go back down there after this incident and just start going to Shooters in Olathe. It is a much further drive, but I'd rather spend the gas money than get treated like I don't pay like everyone else.

Chino

you have to be more understanding in situations like this. i feel your pain for sure because you're right you should have gotten the table. but action is good for pool halls. which equals action is good for pool hall owners. it brings in more people and more people equal more money. then there's always the chance that he's going to get a tip for letting them use the table.

he should have offered you something to make it up to you. free table time for the day or something. or maybe the next time you want to use the snooker table that could be free.

dardusm
05-31-2009, 07:10 AM
Chino,

I'm not sure if they are still there but there were 2 full size 6x12 snooker tables at the NKC Pro Bowl in North Kansas City. They used to have a golf game everyday until the new management wouldn't continue the rate the players were used to and they quit playing. I'm pretty sure they are still there even though it's been about 6 months since I've been that way.

Darryl

alstl
05-31-2009, 07:22 AM
I never heard of some reserving a pool table,,,,,,
First come first served.

New to me,,,,,,

Me either but if the owner agreed to it he should have kept his word.

jensen_lover
05-31-2009, 08:19 AM
My dad owns a mechanic shop. When we buy a specific set of tires because someone asked us to, we will sell them to another person that needs the same set and simply order them again. It is not bad business the owner is just insulating him/herself from losing money. If we had a guarantee that the person would come exaclty on the day they say, we will keep them in stock. If the owner held the table for you and then you did not come, THEY would be f*cked.

Rethunk
05-31-2009, 10:34 AM
There are 10 in Missouri???? Really, please let me know where they are, if I find anything more in the MO area, I'd definitely let you know. But it looks like you are 9 ahead of me, I only know of that one in Ray Rec.

Howdy, Chino. My website with all the listings won't be online for another week or two. The whole point is to make the listings available to snooker players, though, so here you go.

In no particular order, the list below includes all the places in Missouri I've called and received confirmation that there is at least one snooker table. The folks who answered the phone don't always know what the size of the table, so for the ones marked "probably" I asked several questions and then made a best guess.


Elks Lodge #999 [one table, probably 5 x 10]
212 N Rollins St
Macon MO
(660) 385-2333

The Billiard Center [one 5 x 10]
26 N Main St
Cape Girardeau MO
(573) 335-9955

Carl Richard's Bowl East [one table, possibly 6 x 12]
3131 Ten Pin Lane
Joplin MO
(417) 624-8652

Twin Stroke Bar & Grill [one 5 x 10]
501 NW Vesper St
Blue Springs MO
(816) 224-6188

Break Time Billiards [one 5 x 10]
1120 North Douglass St
Malden MO
(573) 276-5898

Opie's Pool Hall [one 5 x 10]
25043 Dogwood Ln
Kirksville MO
(660) 216-3960

The Rack [one 5 x 10]
723 Teaco Rd
Kennett MO
(573) 888-5200

Dave & Busters [one 5 x 10]
13857 Riverport Dr
Maryland Heights MO
(314) 209-8015

Vern's Guns Pool & Snooker [one 5 x 10]
204 NW 12th Ave
Ava MO
(417) 683-5163

Booches Billiard Hall [two 6 x 12]
110 S 9th St
Columbia MO
(573) 874-9519

Pro Bowl Lanes [two 6 x 12]
505 E 18th Ave.
North Kansas City MO
(816) 221-8844

I haven't popped these addresses into Google Maps yet, so I'm not sure how far they may be from KC.

Before taking any trip I'd recommend calling ahead to double-check that the table is there, that it's really a snooker table, etc. If there are any corrections to make, please let me know.

I don't have a listing for Ray Rec. Do you have the address and city?

chin0
05-31-2009, 03:16 PM
you have to be more understanding in situations like this. i feel your pain for sure because you're right you should have gotten the table. but action is good for pool halls. which equals action is good for pool hall owners. it brings in more people and more people equal more money. then there's always the chance that he's going to get a tip for letting them use the table.

he should have offered you something to make it up to you. free table time for the day or something. or maybe the next time you want to use the snooker table that could be free.

I completely see what everyone is saying about him missing out on money which is understandable. I'm over the situation, and am not looking to be compensated for the happening. I don't go out of my way to try to earn free stuff or try to take advantage of a situation. Thanks though.

Chino,

I'm not sure if they are still there but there were 2 full size 6x12 snooker tables at the NKC Pro Bowl in North Kansas City. They used to have a golf game everyday until the new management wouldn't continue the rate the players were used to and they quit playing. I'm pretty sure they are still there even though it's been about 6 months since I've been that way.

Darryl

Thanks for the heads up, do you have the address handy? I have never heard of Super Bowl. Thanks!!!!

My dad owns a mechanic shop. When we buy a specific set of tires because someone asked us to, we will sell them to another person that needs the same set and simply order them again. It is not bad business the owner is just insulating him/herself from losing money. If we had a guarantee that the person would come exaclty on the day they say, we will keep them in stock. If the owner held the table for you and then you did not come, THEY would be f*cked.

The owner knows that I wouldn't bend him over with a bottle of KY in the other hand. I am in there enough, talked to him enough and he has taught me on the table enough times to know me better than that. I would never do anyone like that, especially knowing if you hold the table for me, you would've lost money. I would've given him a tip for holding the table for me, anyhow, thanks for your input man.

Howdy, Chino. My website with all the listings won't be online for another week or two. The whole point is to make the listings available to snooker players, though, so here you go.

In no particular order, the list below includes all the places in Missouri I've called and received confirmation that there is at least one snooker table. The folks who answered the phone don't always know what the size of the table, so for the ones marked "probably" I asked several questions and then made a best guess.


Elks Lodge #999 [one table, probably 5 x 10]
212 N Rollins St
Macon MO
(660) 385-2333

The Billiard Center [one 5 x 10]
26 N Main St
Cape Girardeau MO
(573) 335-9955

Carl Richard's Bowl East [one table, possibly 6 x 12]
3131 Ten Pin Lane
Joplin MO
(417) 624-8652

Twin Stroke Bar & Grill [one 5 x 10]
501 NW Vesper St
Blue Springs MO
(816) 224-6188

Break Time Billiards [one 5 x 10]
1120 North Douglass St
Malden MO
(573) 276-5898

Opie's Pool Hall [one 5 x 10]
25043 Dogwood Ln
Kirksville MO
(660) 216-3960

The Rack [one 5 x 10]
723 Teaco Rd
Kennett MO
(573) 888-5200

Dave & Busters [one 5 x 10]
13857 Riverport Dr
Maryland Heights MO
(314) 209-8015

Vern's Guns Pool & Snooker [one 5 x 10]
204 NW 12th Ave
Ava MO
(417) 683-5163

Booches Billiard Hall [two 6 x 12]
110 S 9th St
Columbia MO
(573) 874-9519

I haven't popped these addresses into Google Maps yet, so I'm not sure how far they may be from KC.

Before taking any trip I'd recommend calling ahead to double-check that the table is there, that it's really a snooker table, etc. If there are any corrections to make, please let me know.

I don't have a listing for Ray Rec. Do you have the address and city?


Thanks!
Ray Rec. is on
63rd and Raytown Rd.
Kansas City MO

Also, you could ad Pro Bowl stated above by Darryl

sde
05-31-2009, 03:27 PM
Link to ProBowl

http://www.amf.com/probowllanes/centerHomepage.htm

Rethunk
05-31-2009, 04:09 PM
Thanks!
Ray Rec. is on
63rd and Raytown Rd.
Kansas City MO

Also, you could ad Super Bowl stated above by Darryl

Sure thing. Thanks to you and Darryl for the new listings.

Once the website is up you'll be able to download the complete U.S. list, the list for just your state/region, and so on. I'm going to write software to take the listings and spit it out in different file formats.

I'll mention both your usernames in the credits section of the website.

Rethunk
05-31-2009, 04:12 PM
Chino,

I'm not sure if they are still there but there were 2 full size 6x12 snooker tables at the NKC Pro Bowl in North Kansas City. They used to have a golf game everyday until the new management wouldn't continue the rate the players were used to and they quit playing. I'm pretty sure they are still there even though it's been about 6 months since I've been that way.

Darryl

Thanks, Darryl. I'll track down their address and phone number. I'll also list your AzB user name in the credits on my website where I'll be posting the listings for U.S. pool halls with snooker tables.

Rethunk
05-31-2009, 05:03 PM
Ray Rec. is on
63rd and Raytown Rd.
Kansas City MO

Here's the listing I found:

Raytown Recreation
10012 1/2 E 63rd St
Raytown MO 64133
(816) 358-5977

When I called this evening the guy who answered said they haven't had a snooker table since the 90's because not enough people played on it. Odd. I double-checked and asked whether I'd reached Raytown Recreation and he said it was. Whether they don't have a snooker table or don't want to let people know about it, so be it.

I did confirm the Pro Bowl Lanes listing, though, and I edited my first post to include it.

poolplayer2093
05-31-2009, 05:32 PM
I completely see what everyone is saying about him missing out on money which is understandable. I'm over the situation, and am not looking to be compensated for the happening. I don't go out of my way to try to earn free stuff or try to take advantage of a situation. Thanks though.



it's not really about compensation but the owner could have comp'ed you an hour of table time or something. he nows what's up. he gave his word and broke it. it would have been a sign of good faith i guess.

really if you had asked those guys to move it'd be kind of a hater move. if they're gambling someone's going to make money. not just the business owner but one of the guys playing too. it'd almost be like asking them to not make cash.

what were the guys playing for?

after all this being said i think you might want to consider this. he might not be taking you as serious because he can tell you're still a beginner. if the guy that runs the place plays pool there's a good chance he's giving some preferential treatment to the better players. i've had it happen to me before (i got the "good" table and the less frequent player got the "bad" table)

have you talked to the guy about it?

HollyWood
05-31-2009, 06:35 PM
Ever hear Nice guys finish last. Playing with your father is important. The Pool hall should be calling you- Sir every time you show up. You are the customer,and you should always be right !!! If you spend money,pay time, you need to be assertive,but close to aggressive. Your keeping them in business. I like how others hooked ya up with many new places to play. I'd bring the new list in and show the dumb shit, what else is out there,and there's a good chance his place won't hold a candle. Please got to olathe, lots of tables and great food,with big money tournaments and players. (I call it playing baseball,thats strike 1.) 3 and there out. I love playing on 5-10 snooker tables-great for nineball. and accuracy.

rackem
05-31-2009, 06:37 PM
Here's the listing I found:

Raytown Recreation
10012 1/2 E 63rd St
Raytown MO 64133
(816) 358-5977

When I called this evening the guy who answered said they haven't had a snooker table since the 90's because not enough people played on it. Odd. I double-checked and asked whether I'd reached Raytown Recreation and he said it was. Whether they don't have a snooker table or don't want to let people know about it, so be it.

It is now permanently reserved for Chino.:duck::killingme:
:poke: JK Chino :grin:

chin0
05-31-2009, 06:59 PM
Here's the listing I found:

Raytown Recreation
10012 1/2 E 63rd St
Raytown MO 64133
(816) 358-5977

When I called this evening the guy who answered said they haven't had a snooker table since the 90's because not enough people played on it. Odd. I double-checked and asked whether I'd reached Raytown Recreation and he said it was. Whether they don't have a snooker table or don't want to let people know about it, so be it.

I did confirm the Pro Bowl Lanes listing, though, and I edited my first post to include it.

Yes, that is their address, a pretty hole in the wall kind of place. I guess you wouldn't consider it a real "snooker" table, since it is a 5x10 pool table "Big Bertha", but I have seen people play snooker on it. They have a set of snooker balls for the table. You might not want to include it on your listing. If people were looking for real snooker tables, they would be dissapointed because the table has pool pockets not snooker pockets. Thanks for confirming the Pro Bowl Lanes listing. I will be heading up there with my dad very soon to check it out. Thanks again to you too Darryl.

it's not really about compensation but the owner could have comp'ed you an hour of table time or something. he nows what's up. he gave his word and broke it. it would have been a sign of good faith i guess.

really if you had asked those guys to move it'd be kind of a hater move. if they're gambling someone's going to make money. not just the business owner but one of the guys playing too. it'd almost be like asking them to not make cash.

what were the guys playing for?

after all this being said i think you might want to consider this. he might not be taking you as serious because he can tell you're still a beginner. if the guy that runs the place plays pool there's a good chance he's giving some preferential treatment to the better players. i've had it happen to me before (i got the "good" table and the less frequent player got the "bad" table)

have you talked to the guy about it?

I see where you are coming from, but the owner pretty much ignored me and when my dad got tired of waiting, he said let's pack up and go. He went to go pay for table time, and I just grabbed the stuff and walked out without saying bye to the owner because I was pretty furious at that moment. My dad said the owner apologized and said "Hopefully next time" but my dad already said that he wouldn't consider going back down there even if he gave him free table time. Now that I go in there, he acts a little weird with me, maybe someone mentioned to him about this thread I started. He never mentioned anything about the situation, apologized to me, or ever said anything about compensating me for anything.

From what my dad said, he said the guys that were gambling were packing up after I walked out, and saw one of them hand the other guy $200.

I wouldn't have kicked them off the table, I know gambling is pretty much king in the pool hall. Action means good business for a pool room, I can understand that. All I really want is an apology and I never got it, but I am also over it as well, so it really doesn't matter to me anymore. I shoot on the GC, and have seriously been thinking that I will just relocate to olathe. They maintain their tables so much better compared to Ray Rec.

You are correct that he might be giving the preference to the better players. I know those guys would shoot lights out on me with a broom handle. These are older gentlemen who I have seen shooting in their very very often.

I haven't talk to the owner about it, I'm not planning on it. If he can't figure it out, than so be it, because it is pretty clear cut what happened.

I mean just yesterday, I was in there with my friend shooting, and we were the only ones in there, and he tapped me on my shoulder and told me to watch the desk and pick up the phones for him because he was stepping out for a second. I even helped him keep track of the time on the tables that were occupied when new people came in to play.

Ever hear Nice guys finish last. Playing with your father is important. The Pool hall should be calling you- Sir every time you show up. You are the customer,and you should always be right !!! If you spend money,pay time, you need to be assertive,but close to aggressive. Your keeping them in business. I like how others hooked ya up with many new places to play. I'd bring the new list in and show the dumb shit, what else is out there,and there's a good chance his place won't hold a candle. Please got to olathe, lots of tables and great food,with big money tournaments and players. (I call it playing baseball,thats strike 1.) 3 and there out. I love playing on 5-10 snooker tables-great for nineball. and accuracy.

I hear what you are saying, but I have always been a pretty mellow kind of guy, and really hate drama, so I try to avoid it as much as possible.

It is now permanently reserved for Chino.:duck::killingme:
:poke: JK Chino :grin:

lmao that's a good one, thanks for the laugh :thumbup:

poolplayer2093
05-31-2009, 07:05 PM
it's your cash bro. if you think you'll be happier spending it in a different room then you're probably right. let us know how you like the other room

Bigtruck
05-31-2009, 07:20 PM
Here is a picture of the table in question! LOL

"Big Bertha"! I broke and ran on my second try!!

98176

98177

HollyWood
05-31-2009, 08:38 PM
Big Bertha"! I broke and ran on my second try!!
thanks for showing the table and telling funny stories. lol

chin0
05-31-2009, 09:57 PM
Link to ProBowl

http://www.amf.com/probowllanes/centerHomepage.htm

Thanks sde!!!

it's your cash bro. if you think you'll be happier spending it in a different room then you're probably right. let us know how you like the other room

Yea, the reason I like the pool room is because it has an old time feel to it without all those other gidgets gadgets and what not. Though it does suck not to have some good food there :D Thanks for your advice nonetheless.

Here is a picture of the table in question! LOL

"Big Bertha"! I broke and ran on my second try!!

98176

98177

Yup, that's the table and that's good ol' Don, hardly seem him there anymore.

How are you doing BT? How is the stream going? If you come by KC anytime soon, you have to help me with my game, I'll pay you with beer or something lol.

Bigtruck
05-31-2009, 10:18 PM
Yup, that's the table and that's good ol' Don, hardly seem him there anymore.

How are you doing BT? How is the stream going? If you come by KC anytime soon, you have to help me with my game, I'll pay you with beer or something lol.

Pm me your name and number. I need to come up and visit my Uncle in Claycomo.

Ray

JamisonNeu
05-31-2009, 11:26 PM
Bertha isn't a snooker table bro...I think maybe this old quote might help...
"One in the hand is better than two in the bush" I think they were just trying to get the table rented. Was it the same guy in the daytime as the night? That in itself is out of wack for how I remember it. Next time, start renting it, and keep the tab open. Tell Doug your comming back after you pick your dad up, they shouldn't rent it twice...And tell him Jamison says hello!

poolplayer2093
06-01-2009, 03:56 AM
Thanks sde!!!



Yea, the reason I like the pool room is because it has an old time feel to it without all those other gidgets gadgets and what not. Though it does suck not to have some good food there :D Thanks for your advice nonetheless.



Yup, that's the table and that's good ol' Don, hardly seem him there anymore.

How are you doing BT? How is the stream going? If you come by KC anytime soon, you have to help me with my game, I'll pay you with beer or something lol.

How sick is this? i got sick of paying pool hall prices for food i normally bring my own food if in know i'm going to be at a room for more than 3-4 hours

Rethunk
06-01-2009, 04:06 PM
Yes, that is their address, a pretty hole in the wall kind of place. I guess you wouldn't consider it a real "snooker" table, since it is a 5x10 pool table "Big Bertha", but I have seen people play snooker on it. They have a set of snooker balls for the table. You might not want to include it on your listing. If people were looking for real snooker tables, they would be dissapointed because the table has pool pockets not snooker pockets. Thanks for confirming the Pro Bowl Lanes listing. I will be heading up there with my dad very soon to check it out. Thanks again to you too Darryl.

Yeah, I'll keep them off the list for now but I may add them later if I find there are more than a few pool halls with snooker balls used on regular pool tables.

The closest snooker table to me is an hour's drive away. I bought a set of Aramith 2-1/8" snooker balls so that I could play on 4-1/2 x 9 tables. It's still worth playing, if not quite the real thing.

Rethunk
06-21-2009, 11:12 PM
Chino,

The current list of rooms with snooker tables is here:
http://www.findsnooker.com/

Here's a direct link to the list for Missouri:
http://www.findsnooker.com/Missouri.html

Finally, here's the thread to post follow-ups:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=146859

dardusm
06-22-2009, 05:58 PM
Here is a picture of the table in question! LOL

"Big Bertha"! I broke and ran on my second try!!

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Yes - that's Don who at one time was a nationally ranked 3-C player. He can still play when he wants. Big Bertha has some interesting history. It came from a famous old poolroom in Kansas City called Kling and Allen's.

That actual table was used for one of Willie Mosconi's title defenses back at Kling and Allens (so I was told). It is a great old table that has seem some great players over the years.

Darryl

inside_english
06-22-2009, 07:42 PM
Hi all,

So right now, I am in a pretty crappy mood, here is the cause of it:

Today, my dad told me he wanted to play snooker, so I told him, great, there is Big Bertha down at Ray Rec. So I personally go down to Ray Rec around 6pm and told the owner, I want to reserve Big Bertha, and I will be in here around 8:30 to 9PM with my dad because he wanted to play snooker. So the owner marks it down and told me sure thing.

After I got finished with dinner with my pops, he took his one piece snooker cue with him to Ray Rec. As I go down there, it was 8:45PM, and two regulars were down there playing. So I told the owner, wassup with that? He said, oh they are gambling. I asked, how long are they going to be, and he just sort of ignored me and told me, I don't know. I took a set of pool balls, and started playing on the GC and I was pretty pissed off the whole time.

I personally think that if I reserved the table, I have the right to the table. Maybe some of you guys see this differently, maybe I am overreacting, but I don't think that he acted ethically business wise. What do you all think? Yes, I understand they are gambling, but he should have told them before they got on Big Bertha that someone is coming in at 8:30 to 9:00 and I would need this table by than. I might be just throwing a fit like a child, but F**K that sh!t.

I think I am not going to go back down there after this incident and just start going to Shooters in Olathe. It is a much further drive, but I'd rather spend the gas money than get treated like I don't pay like everyone else.

Chino
I think if the owner has no intentions of honoring reservations he has no business encouraging people to make them. It amounts to false advertising and I would be upset as well.