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Alex Kanapilly
05-20-2009, 01:29 PM
Does anyone know if there are shafts out there that are made out of wood but resistant to dings? Maybe something like what the Diamond tables are made out of?

Nostroke
05-20-2009, 01:32 PM
Does anyone know if there are shafts out there that are made out of wood but resistant to dings? Maybe something like what the Diamond tables are made out of?


Dymondwood or whatever it is, is not wood iirc.

roberthans
05-20-2009, 01:39 PM
Try seasoned Hemlock. I have worked old barns with it and you need to drill it to put a nail in it. It doesn't split the framing nail just bends.

Beware_of_Dawg
05-20-2009, 01:39 PM
diamond wood tables are not really wood... well it's a wood plastic composite. actually birch wood & plastic. Birch isn't as hard as maple, when mixed with plastic though... I think most other woods with the hardness/stiffness desireable for a shaft are significantly heavier than Maple or they have inperfections in the grain/knots that make them undesirable.

*edit* it appears you can use dymond wood for some things like inlays and they do sell dymondwood dowels at Atlas billiard supply (http://www.cuestik.com/store/?DEPARTMENT_ID=35)

Alex Kanapilly
05-20-2009, 01:49 PM
... I think most other woods with the hardness/stiffness desireable for a shaft are significantly heavier than Maple.

Yeah that's what I was afraid of. I guess I'll go get a cuetec shaft to put on my Southwest. lol.

9 on the snap
05-20-2009, 01:59 PM
Does anyone know if there are shafts out there that are made out of wood but resistant to dings? Maybe something like what the Diamond tables are made out of?

My Morning Wood Shaft is very hard. It has a firm/stiff hit too. It has never been dinged, and I would remember if it had!:D

manwon
05-20-2009, 02:37 PM
Does anyone know if there are shafts out there that are made out of wood but resistant to dings? Maybe something like what the Diamond tables are made out of?

I would suggest either White Ash, or Purple Heart but are stronger than Maple and will resisit dents, however, they are both very stiff and will give you a very hard hit. Ash is used for Snooker cues mainly, I have never seen it used for a pool cue and Purple Heart is used mainly for Break Cues.

Take Care

tucson9ball
05-20-2009, 02:59 PM
I would suggest either White Ash, or Purple Heart but are stronger than Maple and will resisit dents, however, they are both very stiff and will give you a very hard hit. Ash is used for Snooker cues mainly, I have never seen it used for a pool cue and Purple Heart is used mainly for Break Cues.

Take Care

One of my team mates has a purple heart break/jump. He loves to jump with that thing. It looks way different, but jumps good.

ftgokie
05-20-2009, 03:04 PM
I have 6 old wooden bats...I am gonna turn one down and see what they hit like....

Rodney
05-20-2009, 03:23 PM
I would suggest either White Ash, or Purple Heart but are stronger than Maple and will resisit dents, however, they are both very stiff and will give you a very hard hit. Ash is used for Snooker cues mainly, I have never seen it used for a pool cue and Purple Heart is used mainly for Break Cues.

Take Care


I tried someones break cue with a purpleheart shaft, and I was surprised at how well it played. If I changed the taper quite a bit, I would have had no problems playing with it.

FWIW Rodney

Str8PoolPlayer
05-20-2009, 07:22 PM
I once had a Break Cue that was made entirely of Kamagong ... Talk about a stiff hit !!!

TX Poolnut
05-20-2009, 07:28 PM
Lignum vitae is a hard, dense and durable wood, the most dense wood traded; it will easily sink in water. On the Janka Scale of Hardness, which measures hardness of woods, lignum vitae ranks highest of the trade woods, with a Janka hardness of 4500 (compared with Hickory at 1820, red oak at 1290, and Yellow Pine at 690).

LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignum_Vitae

ronhudson
05-20-2009, 07:52 PM
Lignum vitae is a hard, dense and durable wood, the most dense wood traded; it will easily sink in water. On the Janka Scale of Hardness, which measures hardness of woods, lignum vitae ranks highest of the trade woods, with a Janka hardness of 4500 (compared with Hickory at 1820, red oak at 1290, and Yellow Pine at 690).

LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignum_Vitae

It's a green wood too, so everyone would just think you were a chalk slob who never cleans his equipment. Incidentally, hard maple rings in at 1450 on the Janka scale.

rackem
05-20-2009, 08:54 PM
Dymondwood or whatever it is, is not wood iirc.
Dymondwood is a laminate it usually contains oak, ash, beechwood or birch.
It is both bonded and impregnated with a phenolic resin under high heat and pressure. Yes cues can be made out of it.
It will not ding even if you wack it hard on the table. Here's mine. :thumbup:
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poolplayer2093
05-20-2009, 09:34 PM
Yeah that's what I was afraid of. I guess I'll go get a cuetec shaft to put on my Southwest. lol.

you find a replacement shaft and you'll be looking to sell your south west shaft? hit me up man

Grumpy
05-22-2009, 09:39 AM
That is not really "wood" It resin impregnated & weighs a ton.
Renus (spelling?) makes cues out of diamond wood & the shafts are about 10mm & weigh 6oz plus so you can imagine what a 12.75mm would weigh.
If there was something superior I would think the custom world would be using it.Does anyone know if there are shafts out there that are made out of wood but resistant to dings? Maybe something like what the Diamond tables are made out of?

Nostroke
05-22-2009, 09:50 AM
Dymondwood is a laminate it usually contains oak, ash, beechwood or birch.
It is both bonded and impregnated with a phenolic resin under high heat and pressure. Yes cues can be made out of it.
It will not ding even if you wack it hard on the table. Here's mine. :thumbup:
96965

96966

96967


How can anything "be" a laminate? Maybe i have the wrong idea of what a laminate is. I dont know anything about wood and i should never have posted here.



The End.

bencho
05-22-2009, 10:04 AM
Argh... those cues look like they are ribbed for her pleasure. I will flat out say I'm not a fan of that... style... >.<''

rackem
05-24-2009, 11:16 AM
That is not really "wood" It resin impregnated & weighs a ton.
Renus (spelling?) makes cues out of diamond wood & the shafts are about 10mm & weigh 6oz plus so you can imagine what a 12.75mm would weigh.
If there was something superior I would think the custom world would be using it.
The Dymondwood cue I have and pictured is a little over 12mm and weighs in at 19.2oz.
Here is some more about Bob's cues.
http://www.westcoastcues.com/bobcues/bobcuepri.htm#aboutmat

Jule
05-24-2009, 06:08 PM
I've been using a Hornbeam shaft since 2007 and I like it a lot. It's a little harder and stiffer than maple but still soft enough to play. It's also very similar in color, maybe a little more towards white and a little less towards yellow. Dmitry Komarov (username: DBK) makes these shafts. I recommend to look up his posts.

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2677/dmitryshaftsoh7.jpg

OnePocketChamp
05-25-2009, 08:25 AM
I would not consider any other shaft than the standard maple shaft right now, BCAPL will most likely start banning exotic wood shafts right after the phenolic tip ban dies down - lol

Vahmurka
05-25-2009, 08:58 AM
I've been using a Hornbeam shaft since 2007 and I like it a lot. It's a little harder and stiffer than maple but still soft enough to play. It's also very similar in color, maybe a little more towards white and a little less towards yellow. Dmitry Komarov (username: DBK) makes these shafts. I recommend to look up his posts.I only logged to this thread to post the same: Hornbeam by Komarov. Hornbeam is a common wood for Russian cuemakers and Dmitry is one of those who make pool cues.

QMAKER
05-26-2009, 10:46 AM
Try Oak. I have made quite few Oak shafts and the consensus seem to be that
Oak out performs maple in many areas. Here is a few quotes from a player.

"I love the cue. It feels great, I love the stiffness of the oak shaft, and it deflects smartly - making aiming with english easy. The only other custom cue that I have shot with is a friend's bob frey sneaky pete. that cue is great and all, but I enjoy the hit of the cue that you made me more."

[QUOTE=Alex Kanapilly;1830617]Does anyone know if there are shafts out there that are made out of wood but resistant to dings?

JasonCrugar
05-26-2009, 11:27 AM
The Dymondwood cue I have and pictured is a little over 12mm and weighs in at 19.2oz.
Here is some more about Bob's cues.
http://www.westcoastcues.com/bobcues/bobcuepri.htm#aboutmat

my friend has a bobcue and its weird. it hits ok but for as narrow as it was it was really heavy and looked funny as hell.

Rethunk
07-04-2009, 10:42 PM
Dymondwood is a laminate it usually contains oak, ash, beechwood or birch.
It is both bonded and impregnated with a phenolic resin under high heat and pressure. Yes cues can be made out of it.
It will not ding even if you wack it hard on the table. Here's mine. :thumbup:
96965

96966

96967

Nice. One of these days I'd like to give a Bobcue a try, but I've never seen one up close and have no idea if anyone in the Boston area has one.

InTheCloudzzz
07-05-2009, 06:54 AM
Woody Woodworth (http://www.woodworthcues.com/) gives the option of a lyptus shaft for his jumb/break cues. The wood registers roughly a 2850 on the Janka scale and hits a ton. I actually have one on order right now.

Ryan

jensen_lover
07-05-2009, 08:07 AM
Lyptus .

Gum9Ball
07-05-2009, 10:07 AM
Does anyone know if there are shafts out there that are made out of wood but resistant to dings? Maybe something like what the Diamond tables are made out of?

You might try the Eyeshaft, it is birdseye maple and plays like a dream. There are 3 grades of stiffness to choose from. Check it out at www.eyeshafts.com. It sounds like this is exactly what you might be looking for and will be VERY happy with one.

You might want to ask Scott Frost and Gus Briseno how they like theirs, I know I love mine and will not play with anything else.

George