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D_Lewis
05-28-2009, 01:22 AM
A couple of days left, who has been playing well? Who is going to win? Who goes in the first blind bid? How much?

Who has been playing well? Erik seems to be playing well lately, Ryan also seemed to be doing pretty well in the match I watched of his.
Who is going to win? I think..... hmm. Someone is coming second..... to me. ha! I think it will be Marios week.
Who goes in the first blind bid? Erik
How much? $280

The Beginner
05-28-2009, 11:57 AM
A couple of days left, who has been playing well? Who is going to win? Who goes in the first blind bid? How much?

Who has been playing well? Erik seems to be playing well lately, Ryan also seemed to be doing pretty well in the match I watched of his.
Who is going to win? I think..... hmm. Someone is coming second..... to me. ha! I think it will be Marios week.
Who goes in the first blind bid? Erik
How much? $280


I would still go with a lower handicap...I think Ryan has a chance to win....or Dean again...

lee brett
05-28-2009, 12:00 PM
I would still go with a lower handicap...I think Ryan has a chance to win....or Dean again...

there are some dodgy handicaps, ryan mazzotta 6 bull shit, jeet off 6, tom liordis off 6 to name a few, dean off 7 playing very well and even john timmermans off 8 spring to mind

The Beginner
05-28-2009, 01:09 PM
there are some dodgy handicaps, ryan mazzotta 6 bull shit, jeet off 6, tom liordis off 6 to name a few, dean off 7 playing very well and even john timmermans off 8 spring to mind

that's why i don't understand how the handicap works? lol

D_Lewis
05-28-2009, 01:59 PM
there are some dodgy handicaps, ryan mazzotta 6 bull shit, jeet off 6, tom liordis off 6 to name a few, dean off 7 playing very well and even john timmermans off 8 spring to mind

It is what it is. Plain and simple.

lee brett
05-28-2009, 05:07 PM
It is what it is. Plain and simple.

ryan has come 3rd and 4th in 2 of the last 4 or 5 events, so how can you still be a 6, jeet has got through on the winners side and not turned up and done well last time top 6 and is still a 6, dean went up to 7 but still won cos he is playing well, and if he was an 8 he would play harder he wants to improve but as for people not saying anythin that there handicap is too low are cheating themselves as well as others...

should be a handicap committee

The Beginner
05-28-2009, 06:13 PM
ryan has come 3rd and 4th in 2 of the last 4 or 5 events, so how can you still be a 6, jeet has got through on the winners side and not turned up and done well last time top 6 and is still a 6, dean went up to 7 but still won cos he is playing well, and if he was an 8 he would play harder he wants to improve but as for people not saying anythin that there handicap is too low are cheating themselves as well as others...

should be a handicap committee

What's your handicap Lee at 404?

D_Lewis
05-28-2009, 06:33 PM
ryan has come 3rd and 4th in 2 of the last 4 or 5 events, so how can you still be a 6, jeet has got through on the winners side and not turned up and done well last time top 6 and is still a 6, dean went up to 7 but still won cos he is playing well, and if he was an 8 he would play harder he wants to improve but as for people not saying anythin that there handicap is too low are cheating themselves as well as others...

should be a handicap committee


There are just as many OVER handicapped players as there are UNDER handicapped players.

It is what it is. You show up and play no matter what, its a waste of breath to complain about handicap. Jeet played John Timmerman and was up 4-0 at one point and John came back to win the match.

The room owners set the handicaps and they are very hesitant to change them but will let new players come in and basically set their own handicaps. Figure that one out!

D_Lewis
05-28-2009, 06:35 PM
What's your handicap Lee at 404?

Lee plays as a 7 in the 404. He was in the money in the other finals and lost to Ryan M on the Sunday.

Everyone is entitled to have a good match now and then. It would be a real problem if people had their handicaps changed mid tournament like some other assclown used to do. (yes you, retard)

lee brett
05-28-2009, 06:56 PM
Lee plays as a 7 in the 404. He was in the money in the other finals and lost to Ryan M on the Sunday.

Everyone is entitled to have a good match now and then. It would be a real problem if people had their handicaps changed mid tournament like some other assclown used to do. (yes you, retard)

dan they wanted to put me in at pro level straight away, but i have never played pool until about 6-8 weeks ago, and dont have a cue yet to use with and practice so they took that into account, but people still saying im a 9 at least, but takes time to adjust from snooker to pool

D_Lewis
05-28-2009, 09:13 PM
dan they wanted to put me in at pro level straight away, but i have never played pool until about 6-8 weeks ago, and dont have a cue yet to use with and practice so they took that into account, but people still saying im a 9 at least, but takes time to adjust from snooker to pool

You can up your own handicap at any time, just walk up and say "Im a 9 now" and Im 100% sure they'll switch it.

If they thought you were a 9, they wouldnt have let you play as a 7.

srs314
05-28-2009, 10:33 PM
that's why i don't understand how the handicap works? lol

Most people don't understand it either.

The goal is to try to make every match a coin flip so players of all levels have an equal opportunity of winning.

For every Ryan, Dean, Jeets there are you will see about 15 players in the field that should be lower than their handicap but have too much pride to ask for it changed.

Further to that if all the mentioned players were bumped up we would then find another 5 to complain about.

Handicapping is very difficult and no one will ever come up with a perfect system. This tour does have a committee which has no interest in who wins or loses besides trying to give everyone an equal opportunity. John, Ken and Butch work together on handicapping the tour.

This tour is drawing an average of 50 players so I don't see where it is failing it's goal. As room owners the goal would be to make more players come out to their room for the events and not to give the higher handicaps prize money at the expense of the majority of the field.

When I see handicaps from 6's to 11's taking turns winning I think they have done a great thing.

Just my two cents,

D_Lewis
05-29-2009, 12:39 AM
Most people don't understand it either.

The goal is to try to make every match a coin flip so players of all levels have an equal opportunity of winning.

For every Ryan, Dean, Jeets there are you will see about 15 players in the field that should be lower than their handicap but have too much pride to ask for it changed.

Further to that if all the mentioned players were bumped up we would then find another 5 to complain about.

Handicapping is very difficult and no one will ever come up with a perfect system. This tour does have a committee which has no interest in who wins or loses besides trying to give everyone an equal opportunity. John, Ken and Butch work together on handicapping the tour.

This tour is drawing an average of 50 players so I don't see where it is failing it's goal. As room owners the goal would be to make more players come out to their room for the events and not to give the higher handicaps prize money at the expense of the majority of the field.

When I see handicaps from 6's to 11's taking turns winning I think they have done a great thing.

Just my two cents,

Excellent post Scott.

Mark my words, I am going to play like a donkey this weekend!

JD_Hogg
05-29-2009, 01:28 AM
I think this final goes to a 5.

JD_Hogg
05-29-2009, 01:47 AM
dan they wanted to put me in at pro level straight away, but i have never played pool until about 6-8 weeks ago, and dont have a cue yet to use with and practice so they took that into account, but people still saying im a 9 at least, but takes time to adjust from snooker to pool




your ranked as a 7 and your complaining about other peoples handicaps....lol

Thats the problem with handicap'd tourney's......some people will complain even when they have the nutz's

The Beginner
05-29-2009, 07:23 AM
dan they wanted to put me in at pro level straight away, but i have never played pool until about 6-8 weeks ago, and dont have a cue yet to use with and practice so they took that into account, but people still saying im a 9 at least, but takes time to adjust from snooker to pool

If you are a pro in snooker you should consider as a pro in 9 ball or 10 ball or 8 ball...you had hundrends of century mark in snooker. I think that's a pro no matter what kind of games of pool you are playing. Cues will not change your game you can use 1 or 2 piece of snooker cue playing 9 ball and it will not change your game. I've seen snooker player playing their own cue for snooker playing 9 ball.

D_Lewis
05-29-2009, 07:45 AM
I think this final goes to a 5.

Your crystal ball was off by one game, a 4 is going to win. ;) hahaha.

lee brett
05-29-2009, 11:14 AM
your ranked as a 7 and your complaining about other peoples handicaps....lol

Thats the problem with handicap'd tourney's......some people will complain even when they have the nutz's

jd im not complaining about my handicap at all, was pointing out an issue raised by other players at last 404 final, im not interested in the handicaps leave the people running it to do that as they seem to give you abuse when u say anything, if im a 7 then let them leave me off that i will just win and make them put me up rather be playing off a 9,10 or 11 to make me learn pool more and play to my ability, and have to learn to win off that mark.

dan you should be winning off 4, just go practice and you shouldnt lose off 4

D_Lewis
05-29-2009, 12:38 PM
jd im not complaining about my handicap at all, was pointing out an issue raised by other players at last 404 final, im not interested in the handicaps leave the people running it to do that as they seem to give you abuse when u say anything, if im a 7 then let them leave me off that i will just win and make them put me up rather be playing off a 9,10 or 11 to make me learn pool more and play to my ability, and have to learn to win off that mark.

dan you should be winning off 4, just go practice and you shouldnt lose off 4

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have been practicing, some days I play well, some days like a donkey.

The Beginner
05-29-2009, 01:54 PM
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have been practicing, some days I play well, some days like a donkey.

Sandbagger....lol.

lee brett
05-29-2009, 02:12 PM
Sandbagger....lol.

biggest sandbagger out of the lot lol

srs314
05-29-2009, 02:33 PM
jd im not complaining about my handicap at all, was pointing out an issue raised by other players at last 404 final, im not interested in the handicaps leave the people running it to do that as they seem to give you abuse when u say anything, if im a 7 then let them leave me off that i will just win and make them put me up rather be playing off a 9,10 or 11 to make me learn pool more and play to my ability, and have to learn to win off that mark.

dan you should be winning off 4, just go practice and you shouldnt lose off 4

Agreed Brett, Snooker and 9-Ball are very different so you are probably correct where you have been placed and will earn your handicap being raised some day soon just like Dan.

I wasn't trying to prove anyone wrong with my post just making comments about handicapping and the 404 in general.

Good luck to all this weekend!

JD_Hogg
05-29-2009, 06:53 PM
jd im not complaining about my handicap at all, was pointing out an issue raised by other players at last 404 final, im not interested in the handicaps leave the people running it to do that as they seem to give you abuse when u say anything, if im a 7 then let them leave me off that i will just win and make them put me up rather be playing off a 9,10 or 11 to make me learn pool more and play to my ability, and have to learn to win off that mark.

dan you should be winning off 4, just go practice and you shouldnt lose off 4



Sorry, I probably just misinterpreted your post. I do that sometimes when I'm on the pints.

Good luck in the finals.


You deff gotta hellaova snooker stroke. I'm curious as to how it will transpire to the game of 9ball/10ball over time as you learn the game.

What are your thoughts? Do you think you will need to make modifications for power shots/jacked up shots ect. ?

You seem to know alot about stroke techniques so I thought I'd ask.

sorry for going off topic.

lee brett
05-29-2009, 11:55 PM
Sorry, I probably just misinterpreted your post. I do that sometimes when I'm on the pints.

Good luck in the finals.


You deff gotta hellaova snooker stroke. I'm curious as to how it will transpire to the game of 9ball/10ball over time as you learn the game.

What are your thoughts? Do you think you will need to make modifications for power shots/jacked up shots ect. ?

You seem to know alot about stroke techniques so I thought I'd ask.

sorry for going off topic.

no problem jd,

the 1 thing i find more different is the cue, when i get my cue i will be raising my game to the level of my snooker game, i have more cue power than anyone, (dont want to sound funny by saying that), screwed a cue ball over 30ft other day on a snooker table, i have an up to down cue ,
action where i drop my elbow so i am already jacked up on my shots,

i only need practice for a while and then i will get to a high level, slight difference in the spin shots and the cue thats all, the throw of the ball as well.

JD_Hogg
05-31-2009, 12:58 AM
Anyone have any updates on the tourney?

D_Lewis
05-31-2009, 11:07 AM
Anyone have any updates on the tourney?

A side
scott noonan vs tol kuy (?)
arbi vs brittany

B side

lee vs chris courteux
shaun lee vs dean mcn

dont remember any more

Gatz
05-31-2009, 04:22 PM
1: Chris Corteoux (not the right spelling of last name lol)
2: Tol Kuy
3: Brttany Bryant

Were the top 3.

JD_Hogg
05-31-2009, 04:41 PM
thx for the updates

srs314
06-01-2009, 03:09 AM
1: Chris Corteoux (not the right spelling of last name lol)
2: Tol Kuy
3: Brttany Bryant

Were the top 3.

Is that how they finished or is that a list of the last 3 in no order?

Gatz
06-01-2009, 04:18 AM
That is how they finished. It was Brittany and Tol in the A side final, Tol won. Then Brittany lost to Chris.

The people that came back on Sunday, if I can remember were... Myself (Dean),Tol Kuy, Chris Corteoux, Brittany Bryant, Shaun Lee, Arbi (dunno last name), Tyler Nearing, Al Kinghorn,Scott Noonan,Mario Morra, Lee Brett, and Rob Henry.