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JTfromATL
06-22-2009, 05:50 PM
You won't see this happen much in pro events, but I see this way too often during regional events or weekly tournaments at pool halls. Does it bother anyone else when a player walks away from the table to go to the bar or the bathroom in the middle of a game when it's not even their shot? Or is it just me? I'm not referring to the player who is still shooting would cheat or anything. I'm just talking about when a player "takes a break," and he's not even the player at the table in command of the game. Does anyone else see this as disrespectful or sharking of some sorts? Maybe it's just a little something that bothers me...

tigerseye
06-22-2009, 05:54 PM
It only makes me mad when they don't ask me if i want a drink...=)
Seriously it is very unproffesional to walk away in this situation...It does bother me but i just laugh on the inside becasue i know they dont think they can win when they pull tat move....;)

mooseman
06-22-2009, 05:56 PM
Personally it's something I would never do but I've had it happen to me. Yes it gets annoying.

If I don't like the opponent I would probably keep shooting.:cool::cool::cool:

Nostroke
06-22-2009, 06:30 PM
You won't see this happen much in pro events, but I see this way too often during regional events or weekly tournaments at pool halls. Does it bother anyone else when a player walks away from the table to go to the bar or the bathroom in the middle of a game when it's not even their shot? Or is it just me? I'm not referring to the player who is still shooting would cheat or anything. I'm just talking about when a player "takes a break," and he's not even the player at the table in command of the game. Does anyone else see this as disrespectful or sharking of some sorts? Maybe it's just a little something that bothers me...

Id rather he stay away/take break when im shooting. It's the efficient use of time. If he isnt back by the time it is his turn though im pissed. I hated when a guy on his turn just put his stick on the table and left w/o at least mentioning he is taking a break or saying something. I can see why others might have no trouble with that at all though. We all have our own peeves and triggers, that's for sure.

muddawg
06-22-2009, 06:50 PM
I can't stand when the guy I'm playing walks away from the area (i.e. to another table, to the bar, or to go talk to someone else) while I'm shooting without telling me. I don't know why, but it pisses me off.

Fuji-whopper
06-22-2009, 06:51 PM
He/She can do jumping jacks or be missing in action I could care less, the less I worry about my opponent the better my game is.

inside_english
06-22-2009, 07:39 PM
You won't see this happen much in pro events, but I see this way too often during regional events or weekly tournaments at pool halls. Does it bother anyone else when a player walks away from the table to go to the bar or the bathroom in the middle of a game when it's not even their shot? Or is it just me? I'm not referring to the player who is still shooting would cheat or anything. I'm just talking about when a player "takes a break," and he's not even the player at the table in command of the game. Does anyone else see this as disrespectful or sharking of some sorts? Maybe it's just a little something that bothers me...
I agree that is it poor sportsmanship to a degree, in that they won't say anything at all and just walk away. You don't know if they went to the bathroom, the counter, outside for a smoke or whatever.

To make matters worse, they have the nerve to return the table and ask the following:

1. Is it my shot?
2. What happened?
3. Is it ball-in-hand?
4. Whose turn is it?

Some people are "special".

PoolBum
06-22-2009, 07:43 PM
I was once playing in the winner's bracket final of a refereed tournament. It was a race to 9 and my opponent had been up 5-2 when my game picked up and I reeled off three straight games to tie it at 5-5. I looked around for my opponent to rack, and he was nowhere in sight.

No one knew where he was--not the audience, or the ref, or the tournament director. So we all just sat around and waited about ten minutes for him to come back in the room, and when he comes back in he gives me this look like, "what, is something wrong?" He said he had to go to the bathroom and acted like he didn't know he'd done anything wrong, so then we had a discussion with the tournament director and he said there was nothing he could do except give the guy a warning and tell him if he does it again he would forfeit a game (he said if he had caught the guy walking out he would have stopped him, but he didn't see him walk out).

Needless to say, this disrupted my momentum and I went on to lose the match. I was more pissed off that the guy acted like he didn't know that he had done anything 'unprofessional' (this is a pretty well known player who has finished high in the money in some major pro tournaments) than that he did it in the first place, but I lost all respect for the guy and it's probably the most blatant sharking tactic I've ever encountered in that kind of formal setting.

TommyT
06-22-2009, 07:52 PM
It's sharking :angry:

poolhustler
06-22-2009, 08:01 PM
Its definately sharking and your opponent should be penalized loss of that game.

alstl
06-22-2009, 08:16 PM
I ain't peeing my pants. If I gotta go I'm walking away, sorry.

Matt90
06-22-2009, 08:24 PM
I ain't peeing my pants. If I gotta go I'm walking away, sorry.
If I gotta go I gotta go.Also I have started doing this, if its a move or they
need to go ,I wait for them to get back and then say "Now I need to do the
same thing" and I go to the rest room and take a break and come back .Sorta
feel its like saying without saying ....If you can do this I am going to do the
same thing .
Believe it or not I was once 5-0 against a guy at a GSBT here in Marietta and he did
that and took like 10 mins or more .I actually had to hunt him down and get him back
to the table. Of course I was pissed and let it get to me so bad the guy came back
and won. I learned something that day, next time I will go strait to the tournament
director and most importantly keep my cool. Of course the guy claims innocence to this
day and ended up taking a spot in the top 10???

hangemhigh
06-22-2009, 08:26 PM
Every time that happens to me, I get out. When he gets back I tell him. If he says WTF?, I tell him to ask the guy over there, he saw me run out. When he looks for the guy and no one is there, I say, he must have just walked off.

Blue Hog ridr
06-22-2009, 08:41 PM
Once during a Scotch Doubles end of season tournament, I asked permission to go to the washroom. The catty lil thing said, you got one minute. I said, no problem. Half way thru the set the opponents set down their cues and informed us that they were taking a smoke break. I said, you got one minute. The catty one said, are you serious, to which I replied, VERY!
Works both ways sometimes.

Tokyo-dave
06-22-2009, 09:02 PM
It annoys the hell outta me too, but in some cases, I can understand a 'time out' for a piss break. But when it happens, play needs to stop as far as I'm concerned just so nobody gets accused of cheating. I once had a guy rack the balls and then take a bathroom break. I politely waited for him to come back before I broke. I ended up with the 9 on the break, and the guy had the nerve to accuse me of messing with the rack while he was gone!
Cell phones, a trip to the bar, not returning to your seat when you're not shooting, and walking away to talk to others is a no-no in my book.
dave

Tbeaux
06-22-2009, 09:26 PM
I don't mind if they go get a beer (especially if they bring me one), I'll even stop playing till they get back if they like (but they'll have to ask). If they have to go to the bathroom fine, I'll even stop play without them asking (when ya gotta go ya gotta go). Smoke breaks should be agreed upon ahead of time. Generally don't they set the rules for all this stuff ahead of time in tournaments and leagues?:confused:

mooseman
06-22-2009, 09:27 PM
I ain't peeing my pants. If I gotta go I'm walking away, sorry.

As long as you notify your opponent I suppose that's understandable. However I would normally suggest it happens between racks and if it's your break.

14-1StraightMan
06-22-2009, 09:44 PM
Many men have prostate problems and when they need to go, they need to go. I completely understand that. What really gets me. I play Leagues and there is a guy on my Team that every time you call his name for a match he is some where else and you have to go looking for him. People like that have no respect for their Teammates.

sfleinen
06-23-2009, 09:23 AM
You won't see this happen much in pro events, but I see this way too often during regional events or weekly tournaments at pool halls. Does it bother anyone else when a player walks away from the table to go to the bar or the bathroom in the middle of a game when it's not even their shot? Or is it just me? I'm not referring to the player who is still shooting would cheat or anything. I'm just talking about when a player "takes a break," and he's not even the player at the table in command of the game. Does anyone else see this as disrespectful or sharking of some sorts? Maybe it's just a little something that bothers me...

Folks:

There is a unique situation where the "walking away from the table" technique actually WORKS. It may not be "professional," but the scenario I'm about to describe may be cause to do this.

This has happened to me. Let's say you're playing in league. It's your opponent's turn at the table. He/she is playing extremely, u-n-g-o-d-l-y s-l-o-w -- knowingly using the technique as a sharking method. Taking excessive casual walks around the table, feigning sighting angles on every single ball on the table, getting down on a shot, stroking a few times, getting back up, feigning sighting other shots, getting down on the same (or another) shot, popping back up, etc. -- over and over. By now, you're sitting in your seat, seething at the obvious sharking attempt.

This has actually happened to me. What I did, was to overtly appoint one of my teammates (the team captain, actually) to watch my opponent's turn at the table, and I would just excuse myself and leave. No need to sit there, and participate in my opponent's "low and slow" method of sharking. Of course, my opponent is well aware that I've left the area, with an appointed "watchman." I'd found this was a *great* way to not only avoid the frustration of being the target of this type of sharking, but it's also a way of getting back at my opponent -- he/she now knows the sharking cannot possibly affect me, BECAUSE I'M NOT THERE TO BE AFFECTED BY IT. Then, when it's my turn at the table, my appointed "watchman" signals to me (TXT message on cell phone, etc.) that it's my turn and I show up promptly.

This is about the only scenario (besides the aforementioned emergency bio-breaks, of course) where this behavior might be called for.

What think ye, folks?
-Sean

Gregg
06-23-2009, 09:30 AM
Folks:

There is a unique situation where the "walking away from the table" technique actually WORKS. It may not be "professional," but the scenario I'm about to describe may be cause to do this.

This has happened to me. Let's say you're playing in league. It's your opponent's turn at the table. He/she is playing extremely, u-n-g-o-d-l-y s-l-o-w -- knowingly using the technique as a sharking method. Taking excessive casual walks around the table, feigning sighting angles on every single ball on the table, getting down on a shot, stroking a few times, getting back up, feigning sighting other shots, getting down on the same (or another) shot, popping back up, etc. -- over and over. By now, you're sitting in your seat, seething at the obvious sharking attempt.

This has actually happened to me. What I did, was to overtly appoint one of my teammates (the team captain, actually) to watch my opponent's turn at the table, and I would just excuse myself and leave. No need to sit there, and participate in my opponent's "low and slow" method of sharking. Of course, my opponent is well aware that I've left the area, with an appointed "watchman." I'd found this was a *great* way to not only avoid the frustration of being the target of this type of sharking, but it's also a way of getting back at my opponent -- he/she now knows the sharking cannot possibly affect me, BECAUSE I'M NOT THERE TO BE AFFECTED BY IT. Then, when it's my turn at the table, my appointed "watchman" signals to me (TXT message on cell phone, etc.) that it's my turn and I show up promptly.

This is about the only scenario (besides the aforementioned emergency bio-breaks, of course) where this behavior might be called for.

What think ye, folks?
-Sean

This is what I think as well. I do this all the time. League nights are long enough. I always tell my opponent where I'm going, and leave it up to them "on their honor" to be a sportsman. If they want to cheat during a regular league night to gain an advantage...all I can say is I feel for them.

GMAC
06-23-2009, 09:33 AM
I just never shoot if they walk away. I put my cue down and wait for my opponent to return. If they keep doing it then we will never play again. If it is a tourney I just don't allow it to happen. I ask the tournament director to put a stop to it.

alstl
06-23-2009, 09:44 AM
If I gotta go I gotta go.Also I have started doing this, if its a move or they
need to go ,I wait for them to get back and then say "Now I need to do the
same thing" and I go to the rest room and take a break and come back .Sorta
feel its like saying without saying ....If you can do this I am going to do the
same thing .
Believe it or not I was once 5-0 against a guy at a GSBT here in Marietta and he did
that and took like 10 mins or more .I actually had to hunt him down and get him back
to the table. Of course I was pissed and let it get to me so bad the guy came back
and won. I learned something that day, next time I will go strait to the tournament
director and most importantly keep my cool. Of course the guy claims innocence to this
day and ended up taking a spot in the top 10???

I always tell my opponent to keep shooting while I'm gone. When you get to be my age you need to go more often, just a fact of life. Not trying to upset anybody, just trying to keep from peeing my pants. Maybe the tournament directors should start carrying adult diapers.

What the guy did to you sounds wrong but there are people like me who need to pee more often than you youngsters.

jamesroberts
06-23-2009, 09:57 AM
You won't see this happen much in pro events, but I see this way too often during regional events or weekly tournaments at pool halls. Does it bother anyone else when a player walks away from the table to go to the bar or the bathroom in the middle of a game when it's not even their shot? Or is it just me? I'm not referring to the player who is still shooting would cheat or anything. I'm just talking about when a player "takes a break," and he's not even the player at the table in command of the game. Does anyone else see this as disrespectful or sharking of some sorts? Maybe it's just a little something that bothers me...

get an ipod and just run out like rain water then you wont care what your opponenent does, in fact when they come back tell em you might not miss for days so they should take another walk

CreeDo
06-23-2009, 10:22 AM
To me it's weird if they just walk away without saying anything. Maybe it's sharking and maybe they were just raised funny. When I have to excuse myself, I wait until someone's done with the current shot, but not down on the next shot, and say "excuse me, I gotta [take this call][use the bathroom][go grab a drink][whatever]".

Even when it's two total strangers playing, and the game isn't a big deal, I expect someone to say something.

If you're saying it bothers you that they'll go away from the table at all, for any reason, even if they say something polite first... I think that's a little overboard. Unless I see a clear attempt to shark me, I'm just gonna assume he's got a legit reason and it's not a big deal.

I do hate being made to wait for any reason though, esp. while the guy is texting some girl or talking about nothing on the cell. I also hate when they ask "ball in hand?" (like I would 'forget' to mention it). It almost makes me WANT to 'forget' telling him (though I always do)... cuz I feel like he's doing me wrong by not paying attention and by making me wait.

Big Perm
06-23-2009, 10:26 AM
It's the same as unscrewing....

As they walk away, simply ask them, "Are you forfeiting?"

When they say no, remind them that you are shooting and they are welcome to take a break when it's their turn....otherwise, it's a forfeit....I think you'll find that most TD's and LO's will support you in this situation....

Granted, if it's just a friendly game, then I could care less....just not a fan of the intentional shark :D

John Biddle
06-23-2009, 10:35 AM
I find this a very interesting thread because I'm often guilty of walking away and going to the bathroom & getting another soda. I always tell the person first, and ask if I can get them anything, and I advise them to keep shooting. Sometimes waiting for the end of the game is asking too much. When I take the bathroom break, on the way I flag the bartender for my regular drink and pick it up on my way back to the table, to save trips.

I had no idea that this could/would piss off so many people. I'll certainly be more careful managing my breaks in the future. My assumption has been that since I trust the other player not to cheat, I'm the only possible loser by being away from the table. And I'm not slowing the match down any more than if I wait until the end of the game, and less than if I waited fr my turn.

I've never done this in a league match or in a tournament, though, only in friendly games where we both know each other reasonably well. I think walking away with no comment in a league or tournament match is sharking.

The only experience I've had in leagues or tournaments is with one particular team in the league, where they all wander off to talk to girlfriends, drink, smoke, or talk on the phone. It only bothers me when we have to go find them when it's their turn to shoot, but at least they stay and play seriously once at the table. It's annoying as hell, but then again, so would their standing around our table yakking on the phone for a whole match.

KillerCane
06-23-2009, 10:42 AM
if i have to piss i have to piss. run out while im in the bathroom. dont look around for me.

Tom In Cincy
06-23-2009, 11:03 AM
In tournament play;

Would anyone be surprised to get a foul called if they left the playing area? Would that be too much to expect players to agree to?
What about the matches going on on either side of your match? All of the sudden there is another player walking in the match area that is unexpected.

Unsportsmanlike conduct warning. Leaving the playing area during a match.

If this was announced at the players meeting, this would be considered the first warning to the entire field.

All the players will know that if they leave the playing area while their opponent is shooting, that the shooter will get ball in hand.

It's in the rules, but players don't like to call fouls like this on other players because it labels them as rule whiners.

"Man, do you really want to win by being such a rules nit?" and should be answered with (IMO) "wouldn't it be silly to lose a match because you don't like the rules or only follow the ones you want to?"

Inconsiderate, unsportsmanlike conduct and just plain disrespectful. Just because you see other people do it you might think it is OK. But, in fact, it just makes you a follower rather than a leader.

crawfish
06-23-2009, 11:34 AM
Let me tell you about walking away.

Brian Ezell is in the semi's of a big tourney. He walks away to the bathroom. The opponent fouls. When Brian gets back, someone yells out that the opponent fouled. Brian picked up the cueball and the opponent calls foul. He claimed that since Brian didn't call the foul, he's the only one who can. They ended up replaying the game. There were only four balls on the table. Man, if Brian would have lost that match, punches may have been thrown. It can happen.

TWOFORPOOL
06-23-2009, 12:54 PM
This is one of the oldest moves in tournament play. It only happens when you have the momentum in a match. Your opponent is trying to slow you down by distracting you. It happens all the time in tournaments with races to 5 or more. Most tournament directors allow one time out for each player during a match. When I'm drilling a player in a tournament I expect him/her to take their time out to try and slow down my momentum during a match. I always tell them to take their time (implying it won't bother me at all). Its just a move and since I have a timeout coming if the momentum swings his/her way I will take my time out to slow him down. I only do this when my opponent does it to me first. If my opponent is running me over I just take my beating (like last Saturday when Glen Atwell ran me over 11-3 to take the point - and yes I ended up in 2nd place).

s'portplayer
06-23-2009, 01:41 PM
I guess it doesn't bother me, but I'm concentrating on the table, not the person sitting in the chair.

If they get up, I most likely don't notice anyway.

inside_english
06-23-2009, 02:08 PM
if i have to piss i have to piss. run out while im in the bathroom. dont look around for me.
I'm pretty sure that is not what the OP is talking about.

inside_english
06-23-2009, 02:12 PM
Folks:

There is a unique situation where the "walking away from the table" technique actually WORKS. It may not be "professional," but the scenario I'm about to describe may be cause to do this.

This has happened to me. Let's say you're playing in league. It's your opponent's turn at the table. He/she is playing extremely, u-n-g-o-d-l-y s-l-o-w -- knowingly using the technique as a sharking method. Taking excessive casual walks around the table, feigning sighting angles on every single ball on the table, getting down on a shot, stroking a few times, getting back up, feigning sighting other shots, getting down on the same (or another) shot, popping back up, etc. -- over and over. By now, you're sitting in your seat, seething at the obvious sharking attempt.

This has actually happened to me. What I did, was to overtly appoint one of my teammates (the team captain, actually) to watch my opponent's turn at the table, and I would just excuse myself and leave. No need to sit there, and participate in my opponent's "low and slow" method of sharking. Of course, my opponent is well aware that I've left the area, with an appointed "watchman." I'd found this was a *great* way to not only avoid the frustration of being the target of this type of sharking, but it's also a way of getting back at my opponent -- he/she now knows the sharking cannot possibly affect me, BECAUSE I'M NOT THERE TO BE AFFECTED BY IT. Then, when it's my turn at the table, my appointed "watchman" signals to me (TXT message on cell phone, etc.) that it's my turn and I show up promptly.

This is about the only scenario (besides the aforementioned emergency bio-breaks, of course) where this behavior might be called for.

What think ye, folks?
-Sean
I L-O-V-E this suggestion!
I only wished I had known about this before playing one of the jackasses on APA who did this to shark me. Won't reiterate (I already had a thread about it with some great responses)...but I will definitely use this in local tourney play.

Turn the tables on these wannabe sharkers...yeah!

crawfish
06-23-2009, 02:16 PM
This reminds me of my saying, "I've never came out of the bathroom and won a game."

Gregg
06-24-2009, 07:51 AM
This reminds me of my saying, "I've never came out of the bathroom and won a game."

Good one.

That said, after reading here, I personally had no idea so many people would be offended if I walked away, even if I informed my opponent 1st.

I think the situation depends a lot on where, who, and what you are playing for.

I just don't think my opponent, his team of seven players, and my team of seven players would want to wait for me to take a pee pee break while the game was stopped. But it's good to know that some may take great offense to this, even if I really had no malicious intentions whatsoever.

This is why I love the AZ to learn new things.

inside_english
06-27-2009, 06:16 AM
Good one.

That said, after reading here, I personally had no idea so many people would be offended if I walked away, even if I informed my opponent 1st.

I think the situation depends a lot on where, who, and what you are playing for.

I just don't think my opponent, his team of seven players, and my team of seven players would want to wait for me to take a pee pee break while the game was stopped. But it's good to know that some may take great offense to this, even if I really had no malicious intentions whatsoever.

This is why I love the AZ to learn new things.
But to be fair, I don't think the OP was referring to those players who genuinely have to go to the bathroom, but instead the players who do it with the sole intention of sharking.

[Soapbox Alert]
Sharking in any of its forms is bad, wrong & pathetic.
People who shark, IMO, don't have the courage or integrity to match their ability against someone else, and ONLY their ability...they seek that dreaded "edge", which in pool, basically means sharking, or hustling.

Quite irritating.

TX Poolnut
06-27-2009, 06:21 AM
I don't care if you leave when I'm at the table.

alstl
06-27-2009, 09:06 AM
As long as you notify your opponent I suppose that's understandable. However I would normally suggest it happens between racks and if it's your break.

I don't play very good when I'm about to bite through my lip because I need to take a leak. Who's sharking who here?

I wonder how many piss breaks Mosconi took while he was running 526.

Dawgneck
06-27-2009, 10:03 AM
This didn't bother me earlier, but it has grown into something I notice and view as very annoying now that I'm taking the sport more seriously.

Just as people come from all different walks of life and social classes, I try to remember most people who walk away from the table like this don't realize it could be considered a form of sharking or impolite at the least.

If I have to leave the table, I ensure I wait until it it my turn to shoot and I advise my opponent of my intentions.

I believe this is the most "politically correct" way to address my needs.

CocoboloCowboy
06-27-2009, 03:03 PM
You won't see this happen much in pro events, but I see this way too often during regional events or weekly tournaments at pool halls. Does it bother anyone else when a player walks away from the table to go to the bar or the bathroom in the middle of a game when it's not even their shot? Or is it just me? I'm not referring to the player who is still shooting would cheat or anything. I'm just talking about when a player "takes a break," and he's not even the player at the table in command of the game. Does anyone else see this as disrespectful or sharking of some sorts? Maybe it's just a little something that bothers me...


Honestly I do not have a problem if a player asks for a “TIME OUT” to hit the bathroom when nature calls.

The ones that get my feather ruffled are the one who get a “cell phone call”, and want to take a long time on the call.

The ones that drives me KOO KOO are those who wander off while you are shooting for not reason, returning sometime later with no clue of what has happen while they are gone in the game. Than they ask 'ball in hand", my normal reply is I can not remember as you have been gone so long I forgot. Maybe we need to re-rack, and start over.

Just my $.02 on the question above.

Dead Money
06-28-2009, 07:57 PM
Man when they wander off without saying anything to me while I am shooting I put all the balls in the pockets, roll the cue ball up table and put the rack on the table and have a seat in my chair. When they come back I say, "wow you missed a great out! Rack 'em up please" :D