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tattoo
03-10-2010, 07:03 PM
i just picked up a really cool 1x2 tube case....i dont have it yet it my hands but i was wandering how many diffrent makers were there...this case has viking name on metal clasp...was wandering if it was made by viking or by someone else and then viking name was put on lid...it looks just like the all the other 1x2...thanks in advance..mickey carroll

Hank
03-10-2010, 08:20 PM
Does it look like this?

Hank
03-10-2010, 08:30 PM
Inside the tube[VIKING IS printed on the top lach, just hard to see ]

cueboy007
03-10-2010, 08:38 PM
There is Ron Thomas, GTF, felini, engles.
only Ron and GTF still make cases today

cueboy007
03-10-2010, 08:38 PM
Add It's george to the list

JB Cases
03-10-2010, 10:05 PM
i just picked up a really cool 1x2 tube case....i dont have it yet it my hands but i was wandering how many diffrent makers were there...this case has viking name on metal clasp...was wandering if it was made by viking or by someone else and then viking name was put on lid...it looks just like the all the other 1x2...thanks in advance..mickey carroll

To the best of my knowledge the lineage of this style of cue case goes like this:

1940-1950s - Harvey Martin
1960s - Gina
1970s - Fellini, Ann Gore, Centennial - and import knockoffs under the Adams brand.
1980s - It's George, Kelli, McDermott, Schon, Thomas
1990s - Engles
2008 - GTF

I am not sure where Viking got theirs, but it's likely that they were imported. In the 80s and 90s there were several factories making this style of case under private label brands.

It is particularly interesting that Fellini, Centennial, Gore, It's George and Thomas all built similar cases very near to each other. We always talk about who copied whom and who "knocked off" someone else's idea and here you have five makers who all had some sort of interaction with each other, all making essentially the same design.

This type of case is made of two extruded tubes nested inside each other so that the cap can slide on and provide a flush fit to the body. It's fairly simple in construction but requires a great deal of care to make sure that the seams all line up properly and are flush. Also the leather is glued to the body and over time that leather often separates from the body. This was a hallmark of the imported cases which were covered mostly in vinyl masquerading as leather and which likely used adhesives that were not very good. Also I have noticed that the tubes on the old imported cases were not very good quality, thinner that those cases produced domestically and prone to cracking easily.

I started making this style in 2007 under contract with the GTF brand, of which Roy Malott is the principle investor and owner of the brand.

In that time I have come to respect this style much more than I did before because although it's a simple case to build it's a difficult one to get right.

I have invented a few methods to solve some of the problems associated with this style. The primary issues are liner degradation, latch failure and replacement, cracking tubes and leather separation. For the most part I think that I have solved all of these issues and made the GTF into the best version of this case that has ever been made.

As far as cases go this method of building cases is pretty efficient and there is no sleeker look than the version which has the leather covering the end caps. I love this style and I am extremely lucky that Roy Malott chose me to build the GTF cases.

This style of case is the original lightweight tube case. It's pretty simple, a hollow plastic tube with fabric divided compartments. It's efficient in size, compact and elegant.

Anyway, I like these types of cases and I especially enjoy seeing what we can do with the style.

GTF Replica

http://www.indyq.com/cases/GTF/r-1x2-a007-basketball_small.jpghttp://www.indyq.com/cases/GTF/r-1x2-a008-black-striper_small.jpg

GTF Prestige

http://www.indyq.com/cases/GTF/p-1x2-a032-red-gator_small.jpghttp://www.indyq.com/cases/GTF/P1x2BlackLizard_small.jpg

Custom;

http://www.indyq.com/Dk-Brn-Tool-1x2-Cus-Cap-Vf_small.jpg
http://www.indyq.com/Ost-Brn-Rep-1x2-V-Front_small.jpghttp://www.indyq.com/cases/GTF/long-pocket-and-top-handle_small.jpg

Custom and Far Out:

http://www.indyq.com/cases/JB/DANIEL-FRONT_small.jpg

www.gtfcases.com www.indyq.com

atthecat
03-10-2010, 11:13 PM
To the best of my knowledge the lineage of this style of cue case goes like this:

1940-1950s - Harvey Martin
1960s - Gina
1970s - Fellini, Ann Gore, Centennial - and import knockoffs under the Adams brand.
1980s - It's George, Kelli, McDermott, Schon, Thomas
1990s - Engles
2008 - GTF

I am not sure where Viking got theirs, but it's likely that they were imported. In the 80s and 90s there were several factories making this style of case under private label brands.

It is particularly interesting that Fellini, Centennial, Gore, It's George and Thomas all built similar cases very near to each other. We always talk about who copied whom and who "knocked off" someone else's idea and here you have five makers who all had some sort of interaction with each other, all making essentially the same design.

This type of case is made of two extruded tubes nested inside each other so that the cap can slide on and provide a flush fit to the body. It's fairly simple in construction but requires a great deal of care to make sure that the seams all line up properly and are flush. Also the leather is glued to the body and over time that leather often separates from the body. This was a hallmark of the imported cases which were covered mostly in vinyl masquerading as leather and which likely used adhesives that were not very good. Also I have noticed that the tubes on the old imported cases were not very good quality, thinner that those cases produced domestically and prone to cracking easily.

I started making this style in 2007 under contract with the GTF brand, of which Roy Malott is the principle investor and owner of the brand.

In that time I have come to respect this style much more than I did before because although it's a simple case to build it's a difficult one to get right.

I have invented a few methods to solve some of the problems associated with this style. The primary issues are liner degradation, latch failure and replacement, cracking tubes and leather separation. For the most part I think that I have solved all of these issues and made the GTF into the best version of this case that has ever been made.

As far as cases go this method of building cases is pretty efficient and there is no sleeker look than the version which has the leather covering the end caps. I love this style and I am extremely lucky that Roy Malott chose me to build the GTF cases.

This style of case is the original lightweight tube case. It's pretty simple, a hollow plastic tube with fabric divided compartments. It's efficient in size, compact and elegant.

Anyway, I like these types of cases and I especially enjoy seeing what we can do with the style.

GTF Replica

http://www.indyq.com/cases/GTF/r-1x2-a007-basketball_small.jpghttp://www.indyq.com/cases/GTF/r-1x2-a008-black-striper_small.jpg

GTF Prestige

http://www.indyq.com/cases/GTF/p-1x2-a032-red-gator_small.jpghttp://www.indyq.com/cases/GTF/P1x2BlackLizard_small.jpg

Custom;

http://www.indyq.com/Dk-Brn-Tool-1x2-Cus-Cap-Vf_small.jpg
http://www.indyq.com/Ost-Brn-Rep-1x2-V-Front_small.jpghttp://www.indyq.com/cases/GTF/long-pocket-and-top-handle_small.jpg

Custom and Far Out:

http://www.indyq.com/cases/JB/DANIEL-FRONT_small.jpg

www.gtfcases.com www.indyq.com

JBcases, what kind of case is that at the very bottom of your post? The one that says $550.
I guess it's part of your signature.
Thanks.

JB Cases
03-10-2010, 11:27 PM
JBcases, what kind of case is that at the very bottom of your post? The one that says $550.
I guess it's part of your signature.
Thanks.

You can see more pix here. http://www.jbcases.com/chris.html

It's a custom one we did for AZ'er Mdavis.

Here is some more discussion of it.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=173942

atthecat
03-10-2010, 11:42 PM
That's probably the nicest case I've ever seen! Good job.

tattoo
03-11-2010, 12:16 AM
this case looks really nice....made out of real python and rolls over on the end caps like the replica cases....i have know idea maybe it is a knock off because of the viking script on the latch...but i will have a better idea when i get it in...thanks for all the replys...mickey carroll

tattoo
03-11-2010, 12:18 AM
Does it look like this?
same latch but has viking in script on raised bar above the latch...

JB Cases
03-11-2010, 01:29 AM
this case looks really nice....made out of real python and rolls over on the end caps like the replica cases....i have know idea maybe it is a knock off because of the viking script on the latch...but i will have a better idea when i get it in...thanks for all the replys...mickey carroll

Real python?

I think you should send an email to Viking and get their story on the cases. They should be able to give you the information as to when and where they got the cases.

As for whether it's a "knockoff" or not well that depends on how you define knockoff. As far as I know Ernie Gutierrez was the first to do this style of case BUT who knows? Maybe Viking was first. After all Gordon Hart was making cues in the 60s - maybe Adams did them first. Maybe the first ones were Chinese.

What I do know is that Fellini was definitely NOT the first to do it.

As it turns out this style may be the one that was done by more individual case makers than any other.

For some people the diary latch is the iconic part of this case and you will often see that this latch was used frequently. So I guess if you were to see a Fellini, and George and a Viking, etc.... all lined up and they all had upholstered ends and diary latches then you could surely say that they were all made to look like each other and one of them had to be first to market.

Anyway, if it's in good shape and you like it then good pickup. It's rare.

tattoo
03-11-2010, 02:17 AM
thanks john i am going to be at the expo and am looking forward to meeting you...that is if your going to be there..mickey carroll

JB Cases
03-11-2010, 03:02 AM
thanks john i am going to be at the expo and am looking forward to meeting you...that is if your going to be there..mickey carroll

I will be right HERE ------>

http://www.jbcases.com/SBE-Booth-Map.jpg

Jack Justis
03-11-2010, 04:14 AM
this case looks really nice....made out of real python and rolls over on the end caps like the replica cases....i have know idea maybe it is a knock off because of the viking script on the latch...but i will have a better idea when i get it in...thanks for all the replys...mickey carroll

Nice pick up but its not phthon. I would bet its embossed croc on vinyl. I had several of these over the years.

tattoo
03-11-2010, 03:59 PM
jack the case posted is not the case i bought...i will have the case by wed....i will post pics it is python but not 100 percent sure until i get it in my hands if it is python or python print...thank mickey carroll