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putt-putt44
03-13-2010, 12:49 PM
Does anyone out there in az land know anything about these balls??

History of them, today's market price, ect ???

I'm thanking you in advance like freddy ''the beard '' would say,,,

thanks............alan........

scruffy1
03-13-2010, 01:04 PM
They were a very good quality ball made in Germany. As i remember at the time they were priced similar to centennials. They also made a 9ball set with no numbers. Not sure of value today.

jersey jer
03-13-2010, 01:36 PM
They were a very good quality ball made in Germany. As i remember at the time they were priced similar to centennials. They also made a 9ball set with no numbers. Not sure of value today.

ive played with the un-numbered 9ball set. excellent quality as i remember. i believe made to very exacting tolerances. no idea on price though. : )

scot n Texas
03-13-2010, 01:44 PM
I sold a nine ball set on eBay a few months ago for around 150.00.

putt-putt44
03-13-2010, 04:10 PM
Thanks guys,,,,any idea as to what years they were manufactured ???

,,,Alan,,,,,,,

Bob Jewett
03-14-2010, 11:04 PM
Thanks guys,,,,any idea as to what years they were manufactured ???

,,,Alan,,,,,,,
I saw a set about 1995 that was new and I think was purchased about the time that the company stopped making pool balls. I think they were in the business for less than 10 years. I couldn't find any mention in a quick scan of Billiards Digests from about that time, but I think they had a very limited US presence.

I just looked on the German eBay site, and a set there labeled "Raschig" actually looks like a set of Hyatt balls in a Brunswick box. This other eBay item -- http://cgi.ebay.pl/Raschig-Carambolage-Kugeln-Neu-sehr-selten-/250583019632 -- gives a clue as the label on the box says "Made in West Germany."

Fatboy
03-14-2010, 11:08 PM
they were expensive, they are also very bouncy, great for 14.1 the stack opens up very nicely for them. I first saw them in 85 they disappeared in 87. I heard they were too expensiveto produce, they were $170 cost and $229retail over 20 yeears ago.<---too the best of my recollection, i know they were more than Centennials and harder to find

I had mine out today, first time in a very long time. We were compairing all types of balls, they are great balls for sure.

Bob Jewett
03-15-2010, 12:42 AM
... I couldn't find any mention in a quick scan of Billiards Digests from about that time, but I think they had a very limited US presence. ...
Thanks to Fatboy's suggestion that they were around in the 1980's, I went back to my library and the first Billiards Digest I looked in (August 1988) had this to say, along with a picture:

After years of producing carom and snooker balls in Europe, Raschig Corp., of West Germany, enters the U.S. market with its Raschig pool balls. Dufferin, Inc., of Gurnee, Ill., is sole distributor.

So, the start of their US presence was 1988.

A year later, there was a two-page color ad in BD including a cut-open ball to demonstrate the features which included a 1.4mm-deep special surface treatment, uniform-density material, a diameter tolerance of +-0.001 inch and a weight tolerance of 1/2 gram.

In 1990, the BD Trade Show issue had a one-page ad (by Dufferin). By August 1993, Dufferin was advertising its own brand of balls.

lfigueroa
03-15-2010, 05:42 AM
Does anyone out there in az land know anything about these balls??

History of them, today's market price, ect ???

I'm thanking you in advance like freddy ''the beard '' would say,,,

thanks............alan........


These balls were in use at the US Open 1pocket events, held up in Kalamazoo MI at the Playground, in the late 90's. The one thing I remember about those balls was that you could twist the begesus out of them. IOW, if you wanted to put spin on an object ball coming off the rail for a bank, it was incredible how much spin you could get. My first match at one of these events I made this shot -- which you can't even think about with a lot of equipment -- with ease.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3ABMc4PPpN3UBMc3UbCA4Ucxj4kPpN4kBld@

Lou Figueroa

asn130
03-15-2010, 06:54 AM
These balls were in use at the US Open 1pocket events, held up in Kalamazoo MI at the Playground, in the late 90's. The one thing I remember about those balls was that you could twist the begesus out of them. IOW, if you wanted to put spin on an object ball coming off the rail for a bank, it was incredible how much spin you could get. My first match at one of these events I made this shot -- which you can't even think about with a lot of equipment -- with ease.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3ABMc4PPpN3UBMc3UbCA4Ucxj4kPpN4kBld@

Lou Figueroa

Wow!! being able to induce that much spin to the object ball would make 1 hole alot more interesting lol. It would be alot harder to keep your opponent from having a shot.

putt-putt44
03-15-2010, 07:35 AM
I really appreciate all the info on the Raschig balls,,,, I heard they were one of the best sets out there and I would think are valued collector's items today,,,,

Again to my AZ pals, thanks,,,,,Alan

Bob Jewett
03-15-2010, 08:40 AM
These balls were in use at the US Open 1pocket events, held up in Kalamazoo MI at the Playground, in the late 90's. The one thing I remember about those balls was that you could twist the begesus out of them. ...
That was exactly the impression I got from the set I played with in the 1990s. The owner said something about them having been in a fire (or maybe he mentioned a "fire sale"), so I figured it they were a little funny from that. It felt to me like they had about twice as much throw as normal Aramith balls. I think I would find that a real problem to play with, at least for a while. It would be fun to be able to make twists like that, though.

On a related note, I think the balls with the least throw I've ever played with were old clay balls. They were in a basement game room, and may have been waxed.

JMD in VA
03-16-2010, 10:58 AM
Anyone have a set they would be willing to sell?

lfigueroa
03-17-2010, 05:37 AM
Wow!! being able to induce that much spin to the object ball would make 1 hole alot more interesting lol. It would be alot harder to keep your opponent from having a shot.


oh yeah. You could manufacture a shot from just about anywhere :-)

Lou Figueroa

lfigueroa
03-17-2010, 05:56 AM
That was exactly the impression I got from the set I played with in the 1990s. The owner said something about them having been in a fire (or maybe he mentioned a "fire sale"), so I figured it they were a little funny from that. It felt to me like they had about twice as much throw as normal Aramith balls. I think I would find that a real problem to play with, at least for a while. It would be fun to be able to make twists like that, though.

On a related note, I think the balls with the least throw I've ever played with were old clay balls. They were in a basement game room, and may have been waxed.


It was fun. In fact, a funny story goes along with that shot I described. It was my very first US Open, maybe like 1998. I had only been playing 1pocket for three years and decided: whaddahey and got in.

My first match I draw John Lavin, owner of Red Shoes up in Chicago. At the time, we didn't know each other. When we did become acquainted, and in fact, good friends, John told me that after the draw that tournament he felt pretty good. After all: he knew virtually everyone in the Midwest who could play a decent game of 1pocket. And since he'd never heard of a Lou Figueroa before, John, who is an accomplished player, figured he liked his chances against the unknown from St. Louis.

So we get called to play in the first group of matches. Now, we're playing with these Raschigs and being the aspiring 1pocket player that I was, one of the last things I had practiced (for three days straight), right before leaving St. Louis, was twisting balls in on bank shots.

We lag. He wins. It's early in the first game -- like maybe the second or third shot -- all the balls are still down table, and I uncork the diagrammed bank out of nowhere. Not only that, I go on to run eight and out. The next game, it's my serve, I make a ball on the break and... run eight and out. The next game, a few shots into the match, I end up with a dead one in the stack, pop it in and get out. The last game went pretty much the same way.

Lou wins 4-0 in 20 minutes.

John later told me that after the match he wandered over to his partner, kind of in shell shock and the guy asks, "So, when do you play your match?" And John just goes, "Oh. I played already."

Lou Figueroa

gulfportdoc
03-17-2010, 06:09 AM
These balls were in use at the US Open 1pocket events, held up in Kalamazoo MI at the Playground, in the late 90's. The one thing I remember about those balls was that you could twist the begesus out of them. IOW, if you wanted to put spin on an object ball coming off the rail for a bank, it was incredible how much spin you could get. My first match at one of these events I made this shot -- which you can't even think about with a lot of equipment -- with ease.

C'mon Lou. Are you sure you didn't just use that secret wrist turn at the point of contact???

Doc

lfigueroa
03-17-2010, 06:12 AM
C'mon Lou. Are you sure you didn't just use that secret wrist turn at the point of contact???

Doc


lol.

Lou Figueroa