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NewStroke
06-18-2010, 12:53 PM
Reading Fast Lenny's post what does it mean giving him the 16 to 8? or other numbers like that?

Thank

muddawg
06-18-2010, 12:56 PM
One person has to make 16 balls to win, while the other person has to make 8 balls to win.

JDB
06-18-2010, 01:00 PM
Dan,

It means that someone must make 16 balls in his pocket before the other guy gets to 8 balls in One Pocket.

I believe that as balls are made they are spotted until you get to a point where 15 total balls are needed by both opponents.

I don't play One Pocket but this his what I believe happens.

brandoncook26
06-18-2010, 01:09 PM
Dan,

It means that someone must make 16 balls in his pocket before the other guy gets to 8 balls in One Pocket.

I believe that as balls are made they are spotted until you get to a point where 15 total balls are needed by both opponents.

I don't play One Pocket but this his what I believe happens.

Pretty close, but only the player with the higher count would spot balls. In this case, the player needing sixteen would spot his first 8 balls. At this point they would both need 8. With only fifteen balls on the table, only one person could make their needed amount.

greyghost
06-18-2010, 01:30 PM
brandon is correct....

all you have to do is spot up anything totaling over 16 balls

so if you give me 20 to 5 thats 25 balls total

25-16= 9

so would have to spot your first 10 balls

EX:
15/8 =7
11/8 = 3
12/7 = 3

kyo1128
06-18-2010, 01:31 PM
I wish someone would make a sticky with all the lingos.

greyghost
06-18-2010, 01:39 PM
I wish someone would make a sticky with all the lingos.

I thought Hayden was the only one:confused:

mikeyfrost
06-18-2010, 01:43 PM
brandon is correct....

all you have to do is spot up anything totaling over 15 balls

so if you give me 20 to 5 thats 25 balls total

25-15= 10

so would have to spot your first 10 balls

EX:
15/8 = 8
11/8 = 4
12/7 = 4

You mean 16 balls not 15 balls. A Normal game is 8-8 right. If you gave me 9-7 no one has to spot a ball but if you gave me 9-8 you would have to spot 1 ball.

akaTrigger
06-18-2010, 01:55 PM
jambalaya!!

zy112
06-18-2010, 02:09 PM
I wish someone would make a sticky with all the lingos.

Amen.

>--- What I've been thinking but wouldn't say it LOL.

s'portplayer
06-18-2010, 02:13 PM
jambalaya!!

and a crawfish pie.....

JDB
06-18-2010, 02:29 PM
Reading Fast Lenny's post what does it mean giving him the 16 to 8? or other numbers like that?

Thank

Pretty close, but only the player with the higher count would spot balls. In this case, the player needing sixteen would spot his first 8 balls. At this point they would both need 8. With only fifteen balls on the table, only one person could make their needed amount.

Thanks for the clarification.

NewStroke
06-18-2010, 02:33 PM
Yes thank you.

greyghost
06-18-2010, 02:39 PM
You mean 16 balls not 15 balls. A Normal game is 8-8 right. If you gave me 9-7 no one has to spot a ball but if you gave me 9-8 you would have to spot 1 ball.

thanks...my brain must have fried in the sun today lol...post edited

Woof Biscuit
06-18-2010, 02:54 PM
and a crawfish pie.....

And filet gumbo.

sfleinen
06-18-2010, 03:11 PM
Pretty close, but only the player with the higher count would spot balls. In this case, the player needing sixteen would spot his first 8 balls. At this point they would both need 8. With only fifteen balls on the table, only one person could make their needed amount.

That is correct. And, the important thing to remember about the spot is that the spotting doesn't take place until *after* the player needing sixteen has pocketed his first 8 balls. Then, all 8 of those balls he just pocketed spot-up simultaneously, in a line, from the foot spot down to the cushion. This prevents the situation whereby the player sets up for an easy spot-shot (by cue ball control) after pocketing his 8th ball, spot up one ball, pocket that ball, control whitey to set up for another easy spot-shot (e.g. draw back a bit), spot-up another ball, pocket it, control whitey for another easy spot-shot (e.g. draw back a bit), spot up another ball, ...ad infinitum until all 8 balls that he/she previously pocketed, are pocketed again.

Simultaneous spotting of all 8 balls prevents that "gimme" situation. Here's a good table illustrating how to handle these "Long Count" situations:

http://onepocket.org/handicaps.htm

-Sean

greyghost
06-18-2010, 03:35 PM
And filet gumbo.

son of a gun....

gonna have big fun....

DOWN ON DA BAYOU!!!

sliprock
06-18-2010, 05:12 PM
That is correct. And, the important thing to remember about the spot is that the spotting doesn't take place until *after* the player needing sixteen has pocketed his first 8 balls. Then, all 8 of those balls he just pocketed spot-up simultaneously, in a line, from the foot spot down to the cushion.

http://onepocket.org/handicaps.htm

-Sean

I think the way it's supposed to be done, The owed balls are spotted at the end of an inning. If I owe 8 balls at the start of my inning and run 5 and then miss, Those 5 balls are spotted and I start my next inning with 3 balls still being owed. The only time the balls would come up before the end of an inning would be if I ran all the balls remaining on the table but still didn't make enough balls to make up a winning score. My owed balls would then be spotted and I would continue to shoot.

sfleinen
06-19-2010, 06:21 AM
I think the way it's supposed to be done, The owed balls are spotted at the end of an inning. If I owe 8 balls at the start of my inning and run 5 and then miss, Those 5 balls are spotted and I start my next inning with 3 balls still being owed. The only time the balls would come up before the end of an inning would be if I ran all the balls remaining on the table but still didn't make enough balls to make up a winning score. My owed balls would then be spotted and I would continue to shoot.

sliprock:

You are exactly correct! I tried my best to cover all details, but I missed this one. And it's an important one, too!

I don't play Long Count spots much at all; the folks I play One Pocket with are generally either the same speed as I, or perhaps a bit less or bit more. It's usually even-up, but if we *do* play with a handicap, it's always a Natural Count handicap.

Thanks for the clarification!
-Sean

KoolKat9Lives
06-19-2010, 06:46 AM
This long count spotting is a bit confusing.

Please tell me if I have this correct:

The player with the long count handicap will spot his owed balls after every inning he makes balls UNTIL he owes no more. Ie. He brings the total # down to the natural count - the "natural count" being that which totals 16. So if the game handicap was set at 20-5, the long counter spots his potted balls until he's down to 11 more needed for the W.

Secondly, in event the long count player runs all balls off the table and still needs more, he spots all the balls he needs to win the game and proceeds with his inning.

TheBook
06-19-2010, 07:07 AM
I wish someone would make a sticky with all the lingos.

We need more stickies and more useless sub forums. Then eventually everything will be equal.

The parking lot for the place that I worked ended up with more handicap spaces than regular spaces. it was a joke. How can a factory have so many handicapped people working for them? The real ironic part was that the motor cycle spaces were closer and many of the so called handicapped people would ride their bikes to work so they could park closer. One person even requested a handicap motorcycle parking place and the union put in a request for it and it was one of their local demands.

jay helfert
06-19-2010, 07:10 AM
I wish someone would make a sticky with all the lingos.

How many stickies would you like? And would you like them served warm or cold? :thumbup:

vagabond
06-19-2010, 07:30 AM
jambalaya!!

If you like jambalaya I will take u to two nice places in Las Vegas when u come here next time.I am not talking about Popeyes .:thumbup:

sfleinen
06-19-2010, 07:44 AM
How many stickies would you like? And would you like them served warm or cold? :thumbup:

Hey Jay -- are those the "pot stickies" I keep hearing about? I hear they're delicious!

...oh wait, those are "pot stickers" -- but aren't they the same thing?

:D

-Sean

sliprock
06-19-2010, 07:00 PM
This long count spotting is a bit confusing.

Please tell me if I have this correct:

The player with the long count handicap will spot his owed balls after every inning he makes balls UNTIL he owes no more. Ie. He brings the total # down to the natural count - the "natural count" being that which totals 16. So if the game handicap was set at 20-5, the long counter spots his potted balls until he's down to 11 more needed for the W.

Secondly, in event the long count player runs all balls off the table and still needs more, he spots all the balls he needs to win the game and proceeds with his inning.

That's right. At the start of this game, The long count player owes 9 balls. He would spot any made balls at the end of his inning until the owed balls are "paid". In the event the long count player runs all the balls off the table, any balls he owes are then spotted and he continues to shoot.

If the weaker player has a lead of 4-0, and the stronger player runs the last 11 balls, then spots his owed 9, then runs 8 more, the score would be 19-4, with both players needing the last ball. Hope this helps.

12310bch
06-19-2010, 07:20 PM
brandon is correct....

all you have to do is spot up anything totaling over 16 balls

so if you give me 20 to 5 thats 25 balls total

25-16= 9

so would have to spot your first 10 balls ?????????

EX:
15/8 =7
11/8 = 3
12/7 = 3

Grey Ghost, in your example you would have to spot your first 9 with
a 20-5 spot. Oops !

dabarbr
06-19-2010, 07:35 PM
Never mind the stickies. What we need is for someone to invent a one pocket handicapping slide rule that hustlers can carry in their vest pocket.

Snapshot9
06-19-2010, 09:58 PM
Never mind the stickies. What we need is for someone to invent a one pocket handicapping slide rule that hustlers can carry in their vest pocket.

You should email Apple and tell them to develop an app for their IPhone, after all they already have 'Break speed' on it.

And why are you guys saying over 16? Last time I counted there are 15 object balls in one pocket.

kyo1128
06-19-2010, 10:06 PM
How many stickies would you like? And would you like them served warm or cold? :thumbup:

Sticky rice? Warm please.:D

AtLarge
06-19-2010, 10:42 PM
... And why are you guys saying over 16? Last time I counted there are 15 object balls in one pocket.

This will answer your question: http://onepocket.org/handicaps.htm

akaTrigger
06-22-2010, 01:19 PM
This will answer your question: http://onepocket.org/handicaps.htm

That is a very helpful link!

BTW Newstroke, since you are asking about the spots and what they mean, it means I might have a chance. Wanna play some onepocket?

Just kidding - I couldn't resist!

mikeyfrost
06-22-2010, 01:37 PM
I think people are just joking with this thread to see how dumb we all are. If you can't figure out a spot in one hole and how to play with it, you deserve to have your money stolen.

akaTrigger
06-24-2010, 03:47 PM
I think people are just joking with this thread to see how dumb we all are. If you can't figure out a spot in one hole and how to play with it, you deserve to have your money stolen.

What if he really is new to onepocket though or has never played it? If so, he wouldn't know what 13-6 means. Just sayin...