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JoeW
06-23-2010, 06:34 AM
Last night a guy wanted to play some cheap sets, race to five for $5.00. He is probably a C player or less but thinks he is a shortstop to hear him talk. He is a nice enough guy but his mouth gets the better of him. You know the kind of guy I am talking about. His exaggerations are just enough that you don’t call him on it because he needs his stories to be him.

We play but I am not all that enthusiastic. I beat him five three and I scratched twice on the ten ball because I was taking a flyer on some silly shots. So he says let’s do it again. Well this guy hasn’t really got a lot of money and I think he probably can’t afford to lose $5.00 let alone $10.00. So next set I gave him two on the wire, which he doesn’t mark with the coins. The score is 4 – 2 when he says “didn’t you give me two,” I said “sure but you didn’t take them,” so now he decides to take his two and the score is 4 – 4. I missed another silly shot trying for three rail position that I did not have to play but what the hell. So he wins and says let’s play for $100.00 a set. I looked at him and said, you don’t want to play me for $100.00 a set, lets play one more for $5.00 with you getting three on the wire. He is game. So I beat him 5- 3 (he never won a game, nor did he get very many shots) just to teach him a lesson and to shut him up.

After I got home last night it occurred to me that without thinking about it and without having my head in the game (cause it wasn’t needed) I hustled this guy and could have probably taken him for all he had.

I can see why people do this, some people you try to be nice to and they just act like a jerk. I think I was more surprised at myself than at him. In fact, I was doing something more like practice when we played a few sets but when he got serious I had to show him that he was all bluster. Oh yeah after the last set he quit. But then I think I knew he would cause he wasn’t getting to shoot very often and that kinda pissed him off.

Of course he now starts woofing that I was just lucky and now he wants to play some more. Seems there is a lesson in here somewhere but I am not too sure what it is.

I Get Rolls
06-23-2010, 06:43 AM
I think we've all done it before. Unfortunately, I think EGO reveals itself more in a pool hall than anywhere else (perhaps the golf course as well). I've come to the conclusion that I play the game because I'm fascinated by the scenarios the table presents me, and not the opportunity players present me with. I've probably missed out on a few scores here and there, but I'm happier with myself for it.

You didn't do anything wrong, Joe. In fact, you were a gentleman in letting him get out so easily. Nice story!

KoolKat9Lives
06-23-2010, 06:44 AM
Bust him like a steamroller over a walnut. He sounds like a blow hard and a pop-off so IMO your conscience shouldn't skip an rpm at night afterwards.

He needs to be schooled!

Neil
06-23-2010, 06:59 AM
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poolplayer2093
06-23-2010, 07:02 AM
Last night a guy wanted to play some cheap sets, race to five for $5.00. He is probably a C player or less but thinks he is a shortstop to hear him talk. He is a nice enough guy but his mouth gets the better of him. You know the kind of guy I am talking about. His exaggerations are just enough that you donít call him on it because he needs his stories to be him.

We play but I am not all that enthusiastic. I beat him five three and I scratched twice on the ten ball because I was taking a flyer on some silly shots. So he says letís do it again. Well this guy hasnít really got a lot of money and I think he probably canít afford to lose $5.00 let alone $10.00. So next set I gave him two on the wire, which he doesnít mark with the coins. The score is 4 Ė 2 when he says ďdidnít you give me two,Ē I said ďsure but you didnít take them,Ē so now he decides to take his two and the score is 4 Ė 4. I missed another silly shot trying for three rail position that I did not have to play but what the hell. So he wins and says letís play for $100.00 a set. I looked at him and said, you donít want to play me for $100.00 a set, lets play one more for $5.00 with you getting three on the wire. He is game. So I beat him 5- 3 (he never won a game, nor did he get very many shots) just to teach him a lesson and to shut him up.

After I got home last night it occurred to me that without thinking about it and without having my head in the game (cause it wasnít needed) I hustled this guy and could have probably taken him for all he had.

I can see why people do this, some people you try to be nice to and they just act like a jerk. I think I was more surprised at myself than at him. In fact, I was doing something more like practice when we played a few sets but when he got serious I had to show him that he was all bluster. Oh yeah after the last set he quit. But then I think I knew he would cause he wasnít getting to shoot very often and that kinda pissed him off.

Of course he now starts woofing that I was just lucky and now he wants to play some more. Seems there is a lesson in here somewhere but I am not too sure what it is.

someone offered you a hundo and you decided you didn't want it. you're a strange you man! and you gave him a bigger spot and beat him with it so cheap that you might never get the chance to get that hundo that easy again.

you might be a real brain child!

Tramp Steamer
06-23-2010, 07:10 AM
Ease up on youself, Joe. Guys like him are a dime a dozen.
The big picture here is that you probably did the guy a favor by taking it easy on him. He may not be that lucky tomorrow night. :smile:

Roy Steffensen
06-23-2010, 07:15 AM
someone offered you a hundo and you decided you didn't want it. you're a strange you man! and you gave him a bigger spot and beat him with it so cheap that you might never get the chance to get that hundo that easy again.

you might be a real brain child!

For some people pool isn't just about getting as much money as possible out of someone else's pocket.

If pool is just to rob people who are obviously not in a fair match, pool will not grow.

Yes, some people can make some decent scores, but in the end the losers will quit. If we instead try to inspire and motivate the weaker players to keep playing, pool will grow.

Gambling, a fair match-up between two good players = GREAT
Hustling, a good player robbing a weak = TERRIBLE

It's all about the bigger picture, imo

JoeW
06-23-2010, 07:17 AM
Thanks Neil, that is good advice. I am not a money player but do enjoy an even match with friends for a few bucks now and again. I have observed this kind of thing before but had never been in this type of situation because I just don't have the gambler's mentality.

I usually avoid these kinds of guys but now I have a better idea about how to handle it next time. I have no need to be some sort of pool cop and teach someone a lesson but then, there are times ---

JoeyA
06-23-2010, 07:52 AM
'Tis a dastardly thing you have done my son but there is hope for you and your wicked ways. At least you have come to the right people seeking the sacrament of penance.

Since you are repentant of your deeds, you are hereby required to play 3, four hour sessions of pool over the next 7 days and you are required to gamble with each of your opponents and must play to the best of your ability on each game and set.

You are hereby granted absolution for your sins.

Go in peace and spin your rock.

Father JoeyA

JoeW
06-23-2010, 08:15 AM
'Tis a dastardly thing you have done my son but there is hope for you and your wicked ways. At least you have come to the right people seeking the sacrament of penance.

Since you are repentant of your deeds, you are hereby required to play 3, four hour sessions of pool over the next 7 days and you are required to gamble with each of your opponents and must play to the best of your ability on each game and set.

You are hereby granted absolution for your sins.

Go in peace and spin your rock.

Father JoeyA

mea maxima culpa

stljohnny
06-23-2010, 08:57 AM
Gambling, a fair match-up between two good players = GREAT
Hustling, a good player robbing a weak = TERRIBLE



Awesome statement. Rep to ya.

ric23
06-23-2010, 09:32 AM
There could be several lessons here. One- he really is a hustler, and has you convinced he can't play. If so, you are ripe for the pickin'.

Two- You warned him, and showed him. He isn't smart enough to learn. Time to take another approach- play him for what he wants, maybe he only learns out of pain. Make it hurt real bad. If you REALLY know he can't afford it, after he pays you, give most of it back, and scold him in the process. If that doesn't teach him, and you see him woofing again, do it again, but this time keep the money.


"ripe for the pickin'"
I didn't even think about that! dang neil! you always hit it right on the button! rep to you sir!

And joe, maybe you should play him again and listen to neil's advice before somebody else teaches him a lesson, and really make it hurt! i like the "scolding him in the process part!!!" :thumbup:

deadstroke13
06-23-2010, 10:19 AM
I remember I played this guy, for ager shooting 4 hours straight. A guy wanted to play $20.00 a game. I told him no because I had no money with me. I should've took him up on his offer. I beat him 5-2 in 8 ball. I was using a house cue and he had a beautiful Meucci '97 series Rose cue.

poolplayer2093
06-23-2010, 10:21 AM
For some people pool isn't just about getting as much money as possible out of someone else's pocket.

If pool is just to rob people who are obviously not in a fair match, pool will not grow.

Yes, some people can make some decent scores, but in the end the losers will quit. If we instead try to inspire and motivate the weaker players to keep playing, pool will grow.

Gambling, a fair match-up between two good players = GREAT
Hustling, a good player robbing a weak = TERRIBLE

It's all about the bigger picture, imo


he offered. it's only a hundred. he'd have lost the hundred and rededicated himself to getting better.

Underclocked
06-23-2010, 11:39 AM
Rip him for all he can stand, then tell him he can have his money back if his wife asks you for it ... in person at the room.

incognito
06-23-2010, 12:27 PM
I can see why people do this, some people you try to be nice to and they just act like a jerk. I think I was more surprised at myself than at him. In fact, I was doing something more like practice when we played a few sets but when he got serious I had to show him that he was all bluster. Oh yeah after the last set he quit. But then I think I knew he would cause he wasnít getting to shoot very often and that kinda pissed him off.

Of course he now starts woofing that I was just lucky and now he wants to play some more. Seems there is a lesson in here somewhere but I am not too sure what it is.

I find a that the best way to humble bad players who thinks they're hot shit is to steamroll him. That's the most effective way to make them realize they're not as good as they think they are. It's happened to be before too. I was arrogant and thought I was really good when I was beating up on bad players but then I got run over some real pool players and realized I wasn't that good after all.

RunoutKing
06-23-2010, 01:13 PM
LMAO!! Now I'd pay to see something like that!!

BRKNRUN
06-23-2010, 03:35 PM
"It's immoral to let a sucker keep his money.".....(Canada Bill Jones)

Since you did not relieve this guy of his money....he probably just lost it to someone else.

Banks
06-23-2010, 04:40 PM
I'm with BRKNRUN on this one. I've seen it enough times that someone is just itching to throw away whatever money they've got in their pocket. It doesn't matter where.. video poker, booze, pool.. they'll find someone to take it. Would you rather have it to spend on a nice meal for yourself or by some jerkoff that lives off his girlfriend? Whatever the case may be, I'm sure you get my point. Or you could take the money and use it to buy the poor kid a few lessons. :thumbup:

Piercyexclusive
06-23-2010, 11:09 PM
I know exactly how you feel and how the other guy felt.... I use to be the other guy....now Im you.... but I don't play much nowadays I stick to making the equipment.... I think you did the right thing but should he play you again and spout out of his mouth rob him.

AlBaker13
06-23-2010, 11:38 PM
I got this feeling that I came across the same guy, chances are it prob. isn't but with this guy, I walk in to a place, and as soon as I walked in, this guy walks up to me and out of nowhere he asks if he wants to shoot race to 5 for 50. I was surprised considering I haven't even took my cues out of the case yet. I came off of a $200 win from the night before so I just told him sure why not. He was a shot maker but wasn't too good with getting shape. turns out I give him the 8 in 9ball, 2 games and all the breaks and I got him off for $300... but what makes me think mostly that it could be the same guy is the fact that he is a C shooter, but talks like he is a A+++ shooter. Saying that he used to hustle with Earl Strickland and Efren Reyes... lol He looked like he had no money which turns out he did but only 250 of it, he had to bum 50 bucks from somebody to pay me off for the full amount which I didn't know until he left.

JoeyA
06-24-2010, 06:45 AM
I got this feeling that I came across the same guy, chances are it prob. isn't but with this guy, I walk in to a place, and as soon as I walked in, this guy walks up to me and out of nowhere he asks if he wants to shoot race to 5 for 50. I was surprised considering I haven't even took my cues out of the case yet. I came off of a $200 win from the night before so I just told him sure why not. He was a shot maker but wasn't too good with getting shape. turns out I give him the 8 in 9ball, 2 games and all the breaks and I got him off for $300... but what makes me think mostly that it could be the same guy is the fact that he is a C shooter, but talks like he is a A+++ shooter. Saying that he used to hustle with Earl Strickland and Efren Reyes... lol He looked like he had no money which turns out he did but only 250 of it, he had to bum 50 bucks from somebody to pay me off for the full amount which I didn't know until he left.

I've got another two hundred saved up and I want a rematch.

JoeW
06-24-2010, 07:19 AM
Ever see the poster of a small fish being eaten by a larger fish, being eaten by an even larger fish and so it goes. Seems to me that is you participate in the cannibalistic rituals your going to get eaten at some point.

I think Neal had it about right, there are several possibilities. If he was hustling me, I never saw it but $100.00 might have brought it out. I don't think he was hustling me but then that would have been the best hustle. Then too when he saw that I could play a little maybe he decided to back off as he really did not get many shots that last match.

Guess I will never know.

Brian in VA
06-24-2010, 09:08 AM
I'm with you, Joe. I don't believe in just taking the other guy's money because he wants to give it away. I like to play a square match for a few dollars; makes the game a little more interesting.

Perhaps the lesson is, you can't fix stupid. ;)

Brian in VA

12310bch
06-24-2010, 12:18 PM
To anybody out there who might find themselves in similar situations. Take their money to teach them a lesson and then to ease your conscience ( to those of you who feel guilty ) send the money to me. Just PM me and I'll give you my Paypal info. Thanks a bunch, guys.