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tom mcgonagle
06-23-2010, 10:53 AM
We're starting to catch up to the rest of the world in the game of soccer. We won our pool for the first time in eighty years today.

Strangely enough the strangle hold we had on the game of pool over the same period, even longer, seems to be slipping away from the United States.

What's more important, our advancement in soccer or our recent decline in the game of pool?

dareads
06-23-2010, 10:57 AM
I have a feeling you might not get an unbiased opinion here with that question.
I think most Americans only care about the world cup because they have an "American" team to cheer for. After they are elimintaed, it's back to life as usual for the next 4 years till there is another team to get behind.

NewStroke
06-23-2010, 11:00 AM
I think if pool players could flop around on the floor like dying carp and blame everyone else for their mistakes, pool would be just as popular.

LAlouie
06-23-2010, 11:18 AM
I noticed a seismic shift of the millions of fans who once followed pool going over to soccer. You used to get the wpba games at least once every three months on espn, and now it's been replaced by soccer.

It's disgusting. Don't they realize they could turn a soccer stadium into an open air, 900 table pool room? I also think vuvuzelas can turn pool's future around.

Apocalypse2017
06-23-2010, 11:19 AM
I was watching darts last night on ESPN, and it seems like they have a large following over seas... Pool must be more intersting than darts right? :o

LAlouie
06-23-2010, 11:20 AM
I think if pool players could flop around on the floor like dying carp and blame everyone else for their mistakes, pool would be just as popular.

Earl, Grady, and a lot of other players already do that. It's not working.

NewStroke
06-23-2010, 11:21 AM
Earl, Grady, and a lot of other players already do that. It's not working.

Not like those morons.

deadstroke13
06-23-2010, 11:35 AM
Pool is more important. THe US team will get a big head again and lose in the round of 16. My money is on Italy or Brazil to win.

catscradle
06-23-2010, 12:27 PM
We're starting to catch up to the rest of the world in the game of soccer. We won our pool for the first time in eighty years today.

Strangely enough the strangle hold we had on the game of pool over the same period, even longer, seems to be slipping away from the United States.

What's more important, our advancement in soccer or our recent decline in the game of pool?

JMHO but ... I enjoy playing and watching soccer more than pool. I started playing both later in life (soccer @ 48, pool seriously @ 54).
I currently play league in both (>60 division in soccer). Pool is a great game but there is no face to face in it even though it is 1 v 1 and not a team sport. Today when the USA put that goal in after 92 minutes of struggle I went through the roof with exhilaration, never has watching or playing a pool game brought that can of sports high. The last time I remember that kind of exhilaration was the famous time when "Havlichek stole the ball!" for the Celtics.
So for me there is no contest soccer all the way is more important.
Steve.<== hoping his >60 soccer team wins the championship Sunday.

catscradle
06-23-2010, 12:31 PM
Pool is more important. THe US team will get a big head again and lose in the round of 16. My money is on Italy or Brazil to win.
I think the US will be playing Germany and, big head or no big head, they'll lose.
I see Brazil winning, but my heart wants the Netherlands to win (assuming the US doesn't pull off a miracle).

LAlouie
06-23-2010, 12:37 PM
JMHO but ... I enjoy playing and watching soccer more than pool. I started playing both later in life (soccer @ 48, pool seriously @ 54).
I currently play league in both (>60 division in soccer). Pool is a great game but there is no face to face in it even though it is 1 v 1 and not a team sport. Today when the USA put that goal in after 92 minutes of struggle I went through the roof with exhilaration, never has watching or playing a pool game brought that can of sports high. The last time I remember that kind of exhilaration was the famous time when "Havlichek stole the ball!" for the Celtics.
So for me there is no contest soccer all the way is more important.
Steve.<== hoping his >60 soccer team wins the championship Sunday.

I was watching a soccer game. I sneezed and missed a goal.

dareads
06-23-2010, 12:54 PM
I think the US will be playing Germany and, big head or no big head, they'll lose.
I see Brazil winning, but my heart wants the Netherlands to win (assuming the US doesn't pull off a miracle).

If Germany holds on to win against Ghana, the US will play Ghana in the first "knockout" game.

BobTfromIL
06-23-2010, 01:25 PM
There's a soccer tournement going on? Really?

catscradle
06-23-2010, 01:33 PM
I was watching a soccer game. I sneezed and missed a goal.

You jest, but that is one of the beauties of the game. No going out to the fridge for a beer during a timeout or between innings. Soccer is a game you've got to pay attention to because it all changes in an instant. Pool you can miss a whole rack and you really haven't missed anything. When points are cheap they become boring.
That all said, I understand the disinterest of somebody who doesn't understand the game. When you think of how you feel about soccer, that is how the average viewing public feels about watching pool simply because they don't understand it and pool is immensely boring if you don't understand it. They think they understand it, but they only understand the rules not how it is played or how difficult it is to do what the pros do.

zy112
06-23-2010, 01:36 PM
This forum will say pool, the rest of the world will say soccer.

I could give a rats @ss about soccer, while they will say the same thing about pool.

Tramp Steamer
06-23-2010, 02:13 PM
I was wondering. If you were unfortunate enought to be involved in a horrendous automobile accident and lost both your arms, couldn't you still try out for the college soccer team and make it? I wonder about stuff like that. It's probably why I don't have a very large circle of friends. :smile:

NewStroke
06-23-2010, 02:16 PM
I was wondering. If you were unfortunate enought to be involved in a horrendous automobile accident and lost both your arms, couldn't you still try out for the college soccer team and make it? I wonder about stuff like that. It's probably why I don't have a very large circle of friends. :smile:

Wow, I was just thinking if Japanese has lower health costs because they are shorter.

LAlouie
06-23-2010, 02:19 PM
Wow, I was just thinking if Japanese has lower health costs because they are shorter.


Shorter people put less strain on the heart.

Tramp Steamer
06-23-2010, 09:02 PM
This forum will say pool, the rest of the world will say soccer.

I could give a rats @ss about soccer, while they will say the same thing about pool.


I've alway wondered about rat's asses. Do they have any value? I hear people say, "I wouldn't give a rat's ass if you bought that cue or not." Or, "She doesn't give a rat's ass if you live or die." They couldn't be worth very much. It's a rat's ass for crissake. :smile:

LC3
06-24-2010, 06:28 AM
As an American pool player, the US' decline in pool is important to me. Looking at the bigger picture, our advancement in soccer would have much more of an impact than our dominance in pool would. I like soccer a lot and hope the MLS becomes at least an equal fifth of the US major league sports pie.

zy112
06-24-2010, 06:35 AM
Shorter people put less strain on the heart.

Unless their obese;)

pt109
06-24-2010, 09:06 AM
Wow, I was just thinking if Japanese has lower health costs because they are shorter.

Does Shane have something against the Japanese?
...i know he doesn't like to play short races

Blackball75
06-24-2010, 09:38 AM
I see Brazil winning, but my heart wants the Netherlands to win


Heart: Netherlands, Denmark, Switzerland, Japan
Head: Brazil, Germany

It looks like the US has joined the big league in soccer, and one can sense it's getting bigger here. But there's a long way to go until it's big like it is elsewhere in the world.

I don't really care much for either sport, but soccer's preferable to baseball. I'm tired of the obsession around here with the local baseball team, which pretty much amounts to a religion. Baseball is the sporting equivalent of Valium. The soccer WC is a welcome but brief distraction from that.

I still smile when I hear about the "World Series", there's nothing global about it!

Pool is still the best, by a long shot! :)

Skess
06-24-2010, 11:46 AM
I've never played soccer and don't really care to watch it. Like a lot of people, I pay attention at WC time, but that's about it.

My biggest beef with soccer is the diving/acting that goes on. And it seems to be a perfectly acceptable part of the game.

In a highlight the other day, I saw a guy who was running all out step on the ball accidently. He went down pretty hard, then rolled around like he was in excruciating pain. The referee called a foul on the defender next to him even though the guy never touched him. As soon as the foul was called, the guy jumps up and off he goes like nothing ever happened. Personally, I find that embarrassing for the sport.

I guess if the rest of the world doesn't mind, why should I?

3andstop
06-24-2010, 12:04 PM
I was wondering. If you were unfortunate enought to be involved in a horrendous automobile accident and lost both your arms, couldn't you still try out for the college soccer team and make it? I wonder about stuff like that. It's probably why I don't have a very large circle of friends. :smile:


This reminds me of the story of the guy who did loose both arms and was able to get a job chiming the bell in the church steeple.

People would come to see him from miles around, and although not everyone knew his name, they all agreed that his face rang a bell.

tom mcgonagle
06-24-2010, 12:08 PM
The reason I asked this question is because I see a lot of change going on in the secondary games our youth are getting involved in.

When I grew up. all those years ago. There were basically four sports that were popular with young children. I'm including hockey because I grew up in the northeast. The other three were, Baseball, basketball, and football.

Now the choices have grown even larger. Golf, soccer, and lacrosse are now offered in many of the school programs. Snowboarding is in the Olympics. Our youth have so many more options than they did when I grew up.

Poolrooms are closing a lot faster than they are opening. How do kids afford the money it takes to learn how to play the game? I found it ridiculously difficult at 60 cents an hour.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, "We are losing what played a huge roll in the way I grew up. I threw my arm out in Little League, I was to short to make it as a basketball player, I hated the cold weather, so hockey was out of the question. I weighted 165 in High School. I wasn't about to get thrown around like a rag-doll on the football field."

I found the game of pool and it was an instant love affair. I couldn't get enough of it. It helped me grow up and learn many a lesson, that schools couldn't teach me.

Somewhere out there are kids like me. We need to find a way to get some of them involved in the game of pool. They're missing out on so much.

Will any child ever say, "I want to be a pool player, when I grow up."


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boblzer0
06-24-2010, 01:03 PM
Pool is more important. THe US team will get a big head again and lose in the round of 16. My money is on Italy or Brazil to win.

LOL only one of those 2 even made the knockout round. I probably wouldn't do much betting if I were you.

mikeyfrost
06-24-2010, 01:45 PM
Clearly soccer is more important. More money and more fans. If the US wins the World Cup of Soccer there will be parades and pictures the the President.

If Archer and Morris win the World Cup they get some cash and an article on AZ billiards. This is no comparison. A better question would be to compare Soccer to one of the Big 4 sports not something like Pool that pays less than Darts. For the record Darts is the nuts to watch.

Tom In Cincy
06-24-2010, 02:52 PM
The USA fans clearly love a winner..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbn3rOPmR9w

catscradle
06-24-2010, 04:11 PM
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My biggest beef with soccer is the diving/acting that goes on. And it seems to be a perfectly acceptable part of the game...
Yeah, I hate that part too. It is so obviously drama. Especially bad seem to be the teams of Latin decent, Italians, Spanish, and especially the South Americans. The good thing is that they can be given a yellow card for taking an obvious dive.

catscradle
06-24-2010, 04:16 PM
The reason I asked this question is because I see a lot of change going on in the secondary games our youth are getting involved in.

When I grew up. all those years ago. There were basically four sports that were popular with young children. I'm including hockey because I grew up in the northeast. The other three were, Baseball, basketball, and football.

Now the choices have grown even larger. Golf, soccer, and lacrosse are now offered in many of the school programs. Snowboarding is in the Olympics. Our youth have so many more options than they did when I grew up.

Poolrooms are closing a lot faster than they are opening. How do kids afford the money it takes to learn how to play the game? I found it ridiculously difficult at 60 cents an hour.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, "We are losing what played a huge roll in the way I grew up. I threw my arm out in Little League, I was to short to make it as a basketball player, I hated the cold weather, so hockey was out of the question. I weighted 165 in High School. I wasn't about to get thrown around like a rag-doll on the football field."

I found the game of pool and it was an instant love affair. I couldn't get enough of it. It helped me grow up and learn many a lesson, that schools couldn't teach me.

Somewhere out there are kids like me. We need to find a way to get some of them involved in the game of pool. They're missing out on so much.

Will any child ever say, "I want to be a pool player, when I grow up."


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That is the problem now isn't it? No kids are picking up the game unless their parents just happen to play. It's not hopeless, but it is discouraging.

Da Bank
06-24-2010, 04:21 PM
this is a really strange question and a bit of a reach considering the fact that the two situations have absolutely no parrallels and nothing to do with one another.

I think CLEARLY the more obvious and talked about issue is the lack of support for soccer in this country... seeing as how its the biggest sport on the planet.

Pool.. not so much. And competition from overseas is a great thing... we still hold some of the best players on the planet on our side.

weird question dude.


oh, and GO USA!


I thought this thread was going to be asking whether you should watch the USA game on saturday or play a tournament. That's the issue I'm struggling with now.