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CrownCityCorey
09-24-2010, 05:08 PM
In all honesty I may have shot one rack of balls with an iShaft (dunno which one), and maybe another rack with a G-Core. Not sure what to think of them.

Never really heard much word of mouth on 'em. What do you all think of them?

Fatboy
09-24-2010, 06:03 PM
"iAnything" seems to sell good these days, as long as the "i" is lower case and the next letter is upper case. I have havent figured out what the "i" really means with all of Apples products, I wonder if Apple did a trade mark on that idea, if so the iShaft people might get a shaft where the wont like it, LOL


Hope you been good buddy, good as you play anything will work.:smile:

ArizonaPete
09-24-2010, 08:16 PM
I shoot with a McDermott I-3 on a Dale Perry butt. Excellent balance and a good hitting combination. The 11.75mm tip diameter gives me a sense of geometric precision where I strike the cue ball. I recently purchased a Schon and picked up a used I-3 for it. Just a great hit. I've tried the OB-2, like the hit but the ferrule was a distraction to me. I'll stick with the I-3. Sorry, but haven't tried the new G-shaft so I have no feedback for you on that one.

Bob Callahan
09-24-2010, 09:50 PM
Having read this G-Core endorsement from Scott Lee (http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=2024137&postcount=26), I bought one. After playing with it for a while, I special ordered another to fit a different joint. Mine are turned down to 11.5mm & 11.6mm.

I like 'em.

mrmagoo42
09-24-2010, 10:55 PM
I have played with a G-core for over a year and enjoy it more now than when I bought it. Gives the M15-B a solid sounding hit. The only problem was the original tip popped off on a draw shot about a month after I purchased it but that gave an excuse to have a Kamui black medium put on. Trouble free since, a good shaft for the cash.

Scott Lee
09-25-2010, 11:40 PM
Bob...I still feel the same way! G-Core rocks! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Having read this G-Core endorsement from Scott Lee (http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=2024137&postcount=26), I bought one. After playing with it for a while, I special ordered another to fit a different joint. Mine are turned down to 11.5mm & 11.6mm.

I like 'em.

Palmetto cue
09-27-2010, 06:06 PM
Corey,
I ordered a couple I-2 blanks. I installed one on a customers cue. I hit some balls with it. I didn't think I would like it too much. It felt so light, but I thought it played very well. It felt very solid, and had plenty juice when I needed it. I played about 10 racks with it, and I was able to use less english than my current shaft. I'm going to put one on my cue! I've never played with a G-Core, so I can't help you there. :grin:

PaulieB
09-27-2010, 08:07 PM
I have an I2 and love it, actually like it more than the 314-2 I own, personally. I've also heard good things about the G-core but McDermott is still considering the I series an upgrade over the G-core.

Card Slinger
09-28-2010, 04:08 AM
I have a I2 on my McDermott. Since I bought the cue I haven't been able to blame my equipment for a missed shot anymore. McDermott makes a good stock shaft, but I like this one way better, and it did take awhile to get used to. I've never tried the G-Core. My only complaint is that now I don't have any excuse to go buy another playing cue.

twal
09-28-2010, 09:59 AM
Personally I like the G core better.
I have and i2 that was truned down to 11.75.
Peronsally I don't care for it.
Let me know if you are interested 3/8 x 10 pin.

david(tx)
09-28-2010, 05:57 PM
Bob...I still feel the same way! G-Core rocks! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com



Did you play with the other two shafts for as many hours as the g-core before forming an opinion ? And if you didn't , do you think that could be a factor in your opinion of the other two ?


The price difference would be a major factor for people all things being equal .

Scott Lee
09-28-2010, 06:13 PM
david(tx)...Which other two shafts are you talking about? There are 3 I-shafts, and I've played with all of them...certainly not for the 300+ hrs that I've played with my G-Core...but enough to form an opinion. IMO, the G-Core is a better quality shaft, and yes it does cost considerably less than other LD shafts out there.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Did you play with the other two shafts for as many hours as the g-core before forming an opinion ? And if you didn't , do you think that could be a factor in your opinion of the other two ?


The price difference would be a major factor for people all things being equal .

david(tx)
09-28-2010, 06:20 PM
david(tx)...Which other two shafts are you talking about? There are 3 I-shafts, and I've played with all of them...certainly not for the 300+ hrs that I've played with my G-Core...but enough to form an opinion. IMO, the G-Core is a better quality shaft, and yes it does cost considerably less than other LD shafts out there.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com




I meant the Predator and OB you mentioned in the linked review .

McChen
09-28-2010, 10:06 PM
i have a G-Core and while it is a good shaft, it is not particularly low deflection. It deflects like a regular shaft. The composite core they use does stiffen the shaft nicely, but doesn't really do anything to reduce the front end mass, and thus doesn't cut deflection noticeably

dedstroke38
09-28-2010, 10:21 PM
I personally love the G-Core. I've never been a fan of LD shafts but this out of all of them was easiest for me to transition to. Just the hit in general feels better to me than some of the others. It's easy to pick up and play and if you are a standard shaft player you'll enjoy it. If you are used to predator or OB not sure what you'll think.

mantis99
09-29-2010, 11:53 AM
How would you compare these shafts to the Dominator shaft?

KMRUNOUT
09-29-2010, 12:37 PM
Bob...I still feel the same way! G-Core rocks! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott,

Curious if you ever gave Predator or OB shafts 100 hours...

I hated Predator for a long time too. Now its been about 8 years that I've shot with them, and like them a lot. Thinking of trying out the OB Classic too. It would seem based on the linked review that you learned the value of the lower deflection over those 100 hours. In my experience Predator offers the *most* improvement in this particular category. So people my refuse to use Predator because of the hit. Is that it? If so, its hard to picture how a graphite core would hit very much like solid maple. I haven't tried the G Core shaft so I can't say. Could you elaborate on what about the G Core you hated when you *first* tried it, and how this compares to the dislikes you have with the competitors (Predator and OB particularly). I value your opinion and would be very curious.

Thanks,

KMRUNOUT

McChen
09-29-2010, 07:09 PM
How would you compare these shafts to the Dominator shaft?

I've seen the dominators....there's nothing really different about them design wise. It's just a shaft made from a radially laminated blank. Standard ferrule/tenon design, LBM material. Normal deflection.

mantis99
09-29-2010, 07:18 PM
I thought the radial laminated construction decreased the deflection!

Scott Lee
09-29-2010, 07:53 PM
Kerry...The first thing to emphasize is that the 'hit' or 'feel' of a shaft is extremely individual. I've probably played with Predators (314's and Z shafts) for 50-60 hrs total, and never cared for them (Predator seems to be something people love or hate...there's no middle ground! LOL). I've played 30+ hrs with OB shafts, and they just don't feel the best to me...although they are excellent quality shafts. I was never a fan of skinny shafts (in the 70's 14mm was the pro standard). Although G-Core shafts come in different diameters, Jerry Powers asked me to play with the smaller one, and give him my honest opinion...good, bad or indifferent. Knowing and respecting Jerry's cuemaking knowledge, I agreed to it, even though I told him "Jerry, I don't like little shafts!" LOL So, between the LD characteristics, and the small diameter (11 3/4mm) I managed to talk myself into 'hating' the way it felt and played. That said, I committed to give it 100 hour trial, and by the time I got there I was in love with it. I'm having Kent Davis make me a cue now, and he has his own version of LD shafts, which I'm going to have made, as they "feel" very similar to my G-Core.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott,

Curious if you ever gave Predator or OB shafts 100 hours...

I hated Predator for a long time too. Now its been about 8 years that I've shot with them, and like them a lot. Thinking of trying out the OB Classic too. It would seem based on the linked review that you learned the value of the lower deflection over those 100 hours. In my experience Predator offers the *most* improvement in this particular category. So people my refuse to use Predator because of the hit. Is that it? If so, its hard to picture how a graphite core would hit very much like solid maple. I haven't tried the G Core shaft so I can't say. Could you elaborate on what about the G Core you hated when you *first* tried it, and how this compares to the dislikes you have with the competitors (Predator and OB particularly). I value your opinion and would be very curious.

Thanks,

KMRUNOUT

KMRUNOUT
09-30-2010, 12:15 AM
Kerry...The first thing to emphasize is that the 'hit' or 'feel' of a shaft is extremely individual. I've probably played with Predators (314's and Z shafts) for 50-60 hrs total, and never cared for them (Predator seems to be something people love or hate...there's no middle ground! LOL). I've played 30+ hrs with OB shafts, and they just don't feel the best to me...although they are excellent quality shafts. I was never a fan of skinny shafts (in the 70's 14mm was the pro standard). Although G-Core shafts come in different diameters, Jerry Powers asked me to play with the smaller one, and give him my honest opinion...good, bad or indifferent. Knowing and respecting Jerry's cuemaking knowledge, I agreed to it, even though I told him "Jerry, I don't like little shafts!" LOL So, between the LD characteristics, and the small diameter (11 3/4mm) I managed to talk myself into 'hating' the way it felt and played. That said, I committed to give it 100 hour trial, and by the time I got there I was in love with it. I'm having Kent Davis make me a cue now, and he has his own version of LD shafts, which I'm going to have made, as they "feel" very similar to my G-Core.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott,

I appreciate the feedback. When the Predator shaft first came out, I liked the concept, but every time I tried to hit with one, it felt dead and hollow to me. My solid maple shafts simply "hit" better. I must have tried it like 5 times, each time hoping it would feel good, and it never did. Finally one time at the Super Billiards Expo I was able to put a 314 onto the butt of my own cue, and for some reason it felt good. The rest is history. However, I will still say that I like the feel of the *hit* of a good old maple shaft much better. I've tried some custom cuemakers LD shafts that felt nice...Mike Lambros made a nice one, and just recently I tried one from Mike Webb that felt GREAT. However, the LD characteristics were not really as significant as with my 314-2. I will say that having a custom cue maker take a Predator partial shaft and install their own joint makes a pretty huge difference in the overall feel and hit. On my Gilbert cue, I have 2 314-2 shafts: one he put the joint in and one is off the shelf. I must say his hits better, and actually is not a mile away from the hit of the regular maple shaft I got from him with my cue.

Anyway, like you say it is so subjective for each individual. Someone posted a thread about their new OB Classic Pro shaft, and I must say I am itching to give a good long try with the OB Classic because of it. I also dislike the really skinny shafts. My friend Katie has the Z2 shaft on a nice Webb cue, and while it plays great, I just can't seem to get any feel for the ball with the shaft that small.

As always thanks again for sharing.

KMRUNOUT

KMRUNOUT
09-30-2010, 12:22 AM
I thought the radial laminated construction decreased the deflection!

Nope. That is not the purpose of the radial lamination. The proposed reason for the radial lamination is so that the shaft will flex the same amount in any direction, so that the shaft plays consistent no matter how you spin it. With a traditional maple shaft, you get a grain pattern that has an orientation in one direction. This means that the shaft will flex a certain amount one way, but a different amount if you rotate it 90 degrees. I should point out that another "benefit" of the radial lamination (or any lamination for that matter) is that they can use considerably lower quality wood and still achieve acceptable results.

The thing that causes the reduced deflection (cue ball squirt) in a Predator shaft is a reduction in the mass of the last 5 inches or so of the shaft. This is achieved by hollowing out the center of the shaft, using shorter ferrules, and using ferrule materials that are light weight. This is the idea behind the OB cues laminated wood ferrule--less weight.

Hope this clarifies the situation,

KMRUNOUT

mantis99
09-30-2010, 06:25 PM
Do you find that the G-Core applies more english to the cue than a regular shaft like some say the predator and ob cues do?

KMRUNOUT
09-30-2010, 10:49 PM
Do you find that the G-Core applies more english to the cue than a regular shaft like some say the predator and ob cues do?

Yes, i believe it would have this effect *exactly* the same as the Predator and Ob shafts. And by this I mean that I don't think ANY of these shafts apply "more" english to the cueball. I think that is a myth. I don't think it matters what shaft you use--if you hit the cueball at the same distance from center and the same speed, you get the same spin. I think the reason this belief may have come about is because the reduced cue ball squirt characteristics of "low deflection" shafts like Predator and OB give players the confidence to hit further away from center. Hit that same spot with a traditional shaft and you get the same spin.

Can anyone confirm this? Maybe Dr. Dave or Bob Jewett?

Thanks,

KMRUNOUT

McChen
10-01-2010, 08:56 AM
I thought the radial laminated construction decreased the deflection!

no, radial lamination has nothing to do with deflection. laminations are used to make the shaft radially consistent, so that it has a more consistent flex however the shaft is oriented. it may also help reduce warping. to reduce deflection you must reduce the weight of the very tip end of the cue. there are lots of ways to do this, but laminating the shaft doesn't do anything to reduce the tip end weight.

td1223
12-05-2010, 06:39 AM
Hello,

I’m new to the forum and new to pool. Been playing for less than a year and I’m hooked. I stared with an off the shelf Viking and found that once I started applying English I started missing. Did all the reading and now understand about squirt. I was reading up on the G-Core and nowhere does it say it improves squirt but says it improves accuracy but it says trough a stiffer shaft. Doesn’t that contradict what most people are looking for and can I expect to lessen squirt if I order one?

Thanks,
Phil

justadub
12-05-2010, 06:47 PM
I have a G-Core, and am quite satisfied with it.

I'm afraid I'm not much help regarding comparisons, as I haven't tried the other LD shafts that are available.

I do like the G-Core, tho. A good solid hit.

dr9ball
12-05-2010, 08:36 PM
"iAnything" seems to sell good these days, as long as the "i" is lower case and the next letter is upper case. I have havent figured out what the "i" really means with all of Apples products, I wonder if Apple did a trade mark on that idea, if so the iShaft people might get a shaft where the wont like it, LOL


:

If your assertion regarding "iP" or "iS" is true then McDermott would have already been sued by McDonalds

5am
12-05-2010, 09:50 PM
I've got both an i2 and G-core for my McDermott Mike Massey cue. Of the two, I'm more accurate with the i2 over the G-core. The G-core seems a bit lighter to me than the i2 and feels more like a traditional shaft.