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Jallan
10-23-2010, 12:41 AM
I am a no one in the pool world. My longest pack is a 4 pack, off a Magic Rack no less. I get scared when I play players better than me. My opinion is worth nothing and my reputation is better than I think it should ever be... but here goes.

I am so tired of this "breaker shoots after a legal break" bull. I have busted my rear to make my break better. I have spent hours racking and breaking because I wanted to earn that wing ball.

9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long, and never would you have heard any of the greats say, "you know what, that was a legal break and even though you didn't make a ball go ahead and shoot out the rack."

This is the same issues as little league teams who don't keep score because they don't want any of the kids to think they lost. "Lets give everyone a trophy because they tried." I didn't get any awards as a kid because I tried.... and if I would have I would have had the common sense to throw them away. I would have known they were pitty awards and would have been insulted they got tossed my way.

You come to the table and you break and you make a ball and if you don't, sit your sally rear in the chair. No pitty, no rewards. Stop throwing a fit about what isn't fair and make it fair.... you know why they break better than you? Because they worked at it, thats why. You know how you level the playing field? You practice too.

This thread will die in 4 hours and that may be a good thing but I wanted to let all you know how I feel about this touchy feely crap that half, or at least a verbal group is embrassing... stop being a bunch of cry babies and play the game the way it is suppose to be played. You break, you make, you run.... you break, you don't make, you get beat.

Jered Allan

PocketPoint
10-23-2010, 12:45 AM
Sounds good to me

greyghost
10-23-2010, 01:39 AM
I get your drift......thats all the more that I think that Shane's hearing "disability" is no disability at all....if anything its a benefit....its part of his natural ability imop.

wouldn't it be great if you could just play the game and enjoy it without hearing all the BS?

Sometimes I wish I could hit a switch and just hear Crickets....

poolplayer2093
10-23-2010, 01:43 AM
I get your drift......thats all the more that I think that Shane's hearing "disability" is no disability at all....if anything its a benefit....its part of his natural ability imop.

wouldn't it be great if you could just play the game and enjoy it without hearing all the BS?

Sometimes I wish I could hit a switch and just hear Crickets....

i hate hearing sweaters talking about what i should have done while i'm playing.

richiebalto
10-23-2010, 01:45 AM
I am a no one in the pool world. My longest pack is a 4 pack, off a Magic Rack no less. I get scared when I play players better than me. My opinion is worth nothing and my reputation is better than I think it should ever be... but here goes.

I am so tired of this "breaker shoots after a legal break" bull. I have busted my rear to make my break better. I have spent hours racking and breaking because I wanted to earn that wing ball.

9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long, and never would you have heard any of the greats say, "you know what, that was a legal break and even though you didn't make a ball go ahead and shoot out the rack."

This is the same issues as little league teams who don't keep score because they don't want any of the kids to think they lost. "Lets give everyone a trophy because they tried." I didn't get any awards as a kid because I tried.... and if I would have I would have had the common sense to throw them away. I would have known they were pitty awards and would have been insulted they got tossed my way.

You come to the table and you break and you make a ball and if you don't, sit your sally rear in the chair. No pitty, no rewards. Stop throwing a fit about what isn't fair and make it fair.... you know why they break better than you? Because they worked at it, thats why. You know how you level the playing field? You practice too.

This thread will die in 4 hours and that may be a good thing but I wanted to let all you know how I feel about this touchy feely crap that half, or at least a verbal group is embrassing... stop being a bunch of cry babies and play the game the way it is suppose to be played. You break, you make, you run.... you break, you don't make, you get beat.

Jered Allan

nobody could say it any better then this.agree 100 percent

chevybob20
10-23-2010, 03:19 AM
Bump to get a great message past the 4 hour mark.

Liberalism is ruining America.

sawtex
10-23-2010, 06:12 AM
Crying about the crybabies are we?....... If a rail bird is commenting on your shots loud enough for you to hear and it bothers you ask him politely the first time and with what ever volume and force necessary the second time to STFU.

dr9ball
10-23-2010, 06:31 AM
edited original post

9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long, and never would you have heard any of the greats say, "you know what, that was a legal break and even though you didn't make a ball go ahead and shoot out the rack."

play the game the way it is suppose to be played. You break, you make, you run.... you break, you don't make, you get beat.

Jered Allan

If you want to go back to the "9 ball rules" that were played for so long...can we bring back the 2 shot roll out rule and get rid of ball in hand after every foul?

Tony_in_MD
10-23-2010, 06:51 AM
Love your post sir. You have said it all.

I am a no one in the pool world. My longest pack is a 4 pack, off a Magic Rack no less. I get scared when I play players better than me. My opinion is worth nothing and my reputation is better than I think it should ever be... but here goes.

I am so tired of this "breaker shoots after a legal break" bull. I have busted my rear to make my break better. I have spent hours racking and breaking because I wanted to earn that wing ball.

9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long, and never would you have heard any of the greats say, "you know what, that was a legal break and even though you didn't make a ball go ahead and shoot out the rack."

This is the same issues as little league teams who don't keep score because they don't want any of the kids to think they lost. "Lets give everyone a trophy because they tried." I didn't get any awards as a kid because I tried.... and if I would have I would have had the common sense to throw them away. I would have known they were pitty awards and would have been insulted they got tossed my way.

You come to the table and you break and you make a ball and if you don't, sit your sally rear in the chair. No pitty, no rewards. Stop throwing a fit about what isn't fair and make it fair.... you know why they break better than you? Because they worked at it, thats why. You know how you level the playing field? You practice too.

This thread will die in 4 hours and that may be a good thing but I wanted to let all you know how I feel about this touchy feely crap that half, or at least a verbal group is embrassing... stop being a bunch of cry babies and play the game the way it is suppose to be played. You break, you make, you run.... you break, you don't make, you get beat.

Jered Allan

Pushout
10-23-2010, 06:52 AM
If you want to go back to the "9 ball rules" that were played for so long...can we bring back the 2 shot roll out rule and get rid of ball in hand after every foul?

That will never happen. Most people playing by today's rules don't understand the game and it takes too long to get any good at it. I'd love to see it but it won't happen.

Mikjary
10-23-2010, 07:18 AM
That will never happen. Most people playing by today's rules don't understand the game and it takes too long to get any good at it. I'd love to see it but it won't happen.

What about playing in a tourney that doesn't allow jump cues? You can roll out to a jump shot and completely dominate most players that have never learned to jump balls with their cue. Most of the safety specialists and grinders would have to learn about actually running out instead of ducking or running over to get the jump toothpick when they get out of line.

Best,
Mike

TheVirus
10-23-2010, 07:34 AM
I'm sorry.. maybe I'm too new but I don't know what this thread is about... what do you mean shoot after a legal break? Don't we all shoot after legal breaks...

inside_english
10-23-2010, 08:41 AM
Bump to get a great message past the 4 hour mark.

Liberalism is ruining America.
That's funny...I thought racism, corrupt government officials, being played by the news media (all of them), ignorance, poor education and general apathy by the public was ruining America.

Shows what I know!

inside_english
10-23-2010, 08:43 AM
I am a no one in the pool world. My longest pack is a 4 pack, off a Magic Rack no less. I get scared when I play players better than me. My opinion is worth nothing and my reputation is better than I think it should ever be... but here goes.

I am so tired of this "breaker shoots after a legal break" bull. I have busted my rear to make my break better. I have spent hours racking and breaking because I wanted to earn that wing ball.

9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long, and never would you have heard any of the greats say, "you know what, that was a legal break and even though you didn't make a ball go ahead and shoot out the rack."

This is the same issues as little league teams who don't keep score because they don't want any of the kids to think they lost. "Lets give everyone a trophy because they tried." I didn't get any awards as a kid because I tried.... and if I would have I would have had the common sense to throw them away. I would have known they were pitty awards and would have been insulted they got tossed my way.

You come to the table and you break and you make a ball and if you don't, sit your sally rear in the chair. No pitty, no rewards. Stop throwing a fit about what isn't fair and make it fair.... you know why they break better than you? Because they worked at it, thats why. You know how you level the playing field? You practice too.

This thread will die in 4 hours and that may be a good thing but I wanted to let all you know how I feel about this touchy feely crap that half, or at least a verbal group is embrassing... stop being a bunch of cry babies and play the game the way it is suppose to be played. You break, you make, you run.... you break, you don't make, you get beat.

Jered Allan
I agree 100%.

I have never even heard of being allowed to shoot because I made a legal break! The very notion is ridiculous!

So what's next...I make a legal hit on a ball so I am allowed to stay at the table even though I miss? When does my opponent ever get to shoot? That would mean the only time I lose a turn is if I commit a foul.

So there we have it...we can now have a new game called "no-foul nine ball".

Whoever thought of having players continuing their inning because the break was legal should be tied nude to an ant hill and smeared with honey.

tucson9ball
10-23-2010, 08:56 AM
I am a no one in the pool world. My longest pack is a 4 pack, off a Magic Rack no less. I get scared when I play players better than me. My opinion is worth nothing and my reputation is better than I think it should ever be... but here goes.

I am so tired of this "breaker shoots after a legal break" bull. I have busted my rear to make my break better. I have spent hours racking and breaking because I wanted to earn that wing ball.

9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long, and never would you have heard any of the greats say, "you know what, that was a legal break and even though you didn't make a ball go ahead and shoot out the rack."

This is the same issues as little league teams who don't keep score because they don't want any of the kids to think they lost. "Lets give everyone a trophy because they tried." I didn't get any awards as a kid because I tried.... and if I would have I would have had the common sense to throw them away. I would have known they were pitty awards and would have been insulted they got tossed my way.

You come to the table and you break and you make a ball and if you don't, sit your sally rear in the chair. No pitty, no rewards. Stop throwing a fit about what isn't fair and make it fair.... you know why they break better than you? Because they worked at it, thats why. You know how you level the playing field? You practice too.

This thread will die in 4 hours and that may be a good thing but I wanted to let all you know how I feel about this touchy feely crap that half, or at least a verbal group is embrassing... stop being a bunch of cry babies and play the game the way it is suppose to be played. You break, you make, you run.... you break, you don't make, you get beat.

Jered Allan


Ok, I'm confused by your post. When does the breaker get to shoot again if no balls are made?
I know some tournaments have a rule that requires a certain amount of balls to pass mid table or you lose yur turn, even if you make a ball. I can't think of any tournaments that allow you another shot if you make no balls.

A rule I like for rack your own tournaments is: the 9 made in the bottom 2 corners should be spotted.

billbOK
10-23-2010, 08:59 AM
I agree 100%.

I have never even heard of being allowed to shoot because I made a legal break! The very notion is ridiculous!

So what's next...I make a legal hit on a ball so I am allowed to stay at the table even though I miss? When does my opponent ever get to shoot? That would mean the only time I lose a turn is if I commit a foul.

So there we have it...we can now have a new game called "no-foul nine ball".

Whoever thought of having players continuing their inning because the break was legal should be tied nude to an ant hill and smeared with honey.

I guess there is a misinterpretation of the rule of "dry break" here.

In some tournament, Eurotour an Mosconi cup for exemple, they introduce this rule to prevent soft breaks.

The rule is that 3 balls MUST pass the head string. Each ball pocketed count as it has pass the head string. So if you pot 2 balls, one more must pass the head string. It is a legal break.

If 3 balls don't pass the head string at the break, it does'nt matter if a ball or not has been pocketed, it is a "dry break" and the breaker loose his turn. The other player has the opportunity to accept the table as it is or give it back to the breaker.

tucson9ball
10-23-2010, 09:04 AM
I guess there is a misinterpretation of the rule of "dry break" here.

In some tournament, Eurotour an Mosconi cup for exemple, they introduce this rule to prevent soft breaks.

The rule is that 3 balls MUST pass the head string. Each ball pocketed count as it has pass the head string. So if you pot 2 balls, one more must pass the head string. It is a legal break.

If 3 balls don't pass the head string at the break, it does'nt matter if a ball or not has been pocketed, it is a "dry break" and the breaker loose his turn. The other player has the opportunity to accept the table as it is or give it back to the breaker.


This makes sense to me. I have heard of this rule, I don't like it but have heard of it.
The original post implies that you can shoot again even if you don't make a ball on the break. He had me confused.

PaulieB
10-23-2010, 09:08 AM
That's exactly what the original poster is talking about. I thought I read about some rule changes in APA league rules where if you have a legal break and still don't make a ball on the break that you get to continue shooting.

To me, learning to break in a controlled manner and still make a ball on the break is one of the more important skills to have.

billbOK
10-23-2010, 09:08 AM
This makes sense to me. I have heard of this rule, I don't like it but have heard of it.
The original post implies that you can shoot again even if you don't make a ball on the break. He had me confused.

Yep, I haven't even understand the first post (english is not my language). It is inside_english's post that made me understand what he was talking about. lol

billbOK
10-23-2010, 09:09 AM
That's exactly what the original poster is talking about. I thought I read about some rule changes in APA league rules where if you have a legal break and still don't make a ball on the break that you get to continue shooting.

To me, learning to break in a controlled manner and still make a ball on the break is one of the more important skills to have.

waaooow, so it looks really crazy if a rule like that is applied...

u12armresl
10-23-2010, 09:14 AM
You're right.

And if everyone tried as hard as you did to make the wing ball, we now have 2 million people making the wing ball every time or close to every time, Then pool fizzles out.

If your logic is right, then why have an opponent, take your years of experience and just break, if you don't run 4 racks, you lose and go to the losers side. No need to involve an opponent. There are enough pool games which 2 people don't interact, we don't need one more.


I am a no one in the pool world. My longest pack is a 4 pack, off a Magic Rack no less. I get scared when I play players better than me. My opinion is worth nothing and my reputation is better than I think it should ever be... but here goes.

I am so tired of this "breaker shoots after a legal break" bull. I have busted my rear to make my break better. I have spent hours racking and breaking because I wanted to earn that wing ball.

9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long, and never would you have heard any of the greats say, "you know what, that was a legal break and even though you didn't make a ball go ahead and shoot out the rack."

This is the same issues as little league teams who don't keep score because they don't want any of the kids to think they lost. "Lets give everyone a trophy because they tried." I didn't get any awards as a kid because I tried.... and if I would have I would have had the common sense to throw them away. I would have known they were pitty awards and would have been insulted they got tossed my way.

You come to the table and you break and you make a ball and if you don't, sit your sally rear in the chair. No pitty, no rewards. Stop throwing a fit about what isn't fair and make it fair.... you know why they break better than you? Because they worked at it, thats why. You know how you level the playing field? You practice too.

This thread will die in 4 hours and that may be a good thing but I wanted to let all you know how I feel about this touchy feely crap that half, or at least a verbal group is embrassing... stop being a bunch of cry babies and play the game the way it is suppose to be played. You break, you make, you run.... you break, you don't make, you get beat.

Jered Allan

master9baller
10-23-2010, 09:21 AM
Yes, some tournament play is going this way where the breaker shoots wheter of not a ball is made. Why not just give them ball in hand too?

Another candy a$$ rule is alternating break. You're down 6 to 2 in alternating break in a race to 7, how do you come back when the opponent is breaking at least 3 times more? We play alot of alternating break around here and it isn't pool. My longest break and run lately is 1, because of this rule. Nothing like running out 3 or more games to win, too bad some people won't get the opportunity to see this.

u12armresl
10-23-2010, 09:29 AM
Because alternating break is exciting and results in lots of 9-8 scores.
Everyone gets to play and if you are using that famous wing break then you can guarantee that all you need to work on is your lag, or coin flipping ability.

tucson9ball
10-23-2010, 09:42 AM
I think many people are missing something here. Even if ya make a ball on the break, you still have to make the other 8 balls on the table.
The way everybody is posting, it's like they can run out every single rack. I must really suck, because I can't run out every time I get to the table.

I'm willing to bet that most people are not the favorite to break and run more than 50% of the time. I'll put my money on it. Most guys can't run out even if you give them BIH after the break.

I agree that making the wing ball makes 9 ball an easier game than 10 ball. But, you still have to play position for the 1 ball and run the rack.

TorranceChris
10-23-2010, 09:54 AM
This makes sense to me. I have heard of this rule, I don't like it but have heard of it.
The original post implies that you can shoot again even if you don't make a ball on the break. He had me confused.

Actually the OP is referring to a bunch of people who proposed that the game "should" be modified to allow the breaker to have a shot after the break. I forget what thread it was in, but I don't believe he's referring to any tournament actually implementing that rule.

Pushout
10-23-2010, 09:54 AM
What about playing in a tourney that doesn't allow jump cues? You can roll out to a jump shot and completely dominate most players that have never learned to jump balls with their cue. Most of the safety specialists and grinders would have to learn about actually running out instead of ducking or running over to get the jump toothpick when they get out of line.

Best,
Mike

On the break, yes. That's just a one time thing, though.

Pushout
10-23-2010, 09:57 AM
Actually the OP is referring to a bunch of people who proposed that the game "should" be modified to allow the breaker to have a shot after the break. I forget what thread it was in, but I don't believe he's referring to any tournament actually implementing that rule.

May be in reference to Paul Schofield's threads about pattern racking and such. Paul's tournaments have this rule and apparently, the players are ok with it.

tucson9ball
10-23-2010, 10:00 AM
Actually the OP is referring to a bunch of people who proposed that the game "should" be modified to allow the breaker to have a shot after the break. I forget what thread it was in, but I don't believe he's referring to any tournament actually implementing that rule.


Ah I see. I must have missed that thread. If they put that rule in, even I might be able to compete, LOL. I can break and play position on the 1 ball. If I didn't have to make a ball on the break, I could make the 1 ball and control the table.
I think that rule would suck. The break is a big part of the game and should require making a ball to shoot again.

DRW
10-23-2010, 10:04 AM
I would not subject myself to such idiocy. Simply, don't play in such tournaments or leagues.:(

Pushout
10-23-2010, 10:08 AM
I would not subject myself to such idiocy. Simply, don't play in such tournaments or leagues.:(

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. I've seen people here post that if rules are adopted for 9 ball eliminating the so-called two-way shot that they would not support tournaments anymore, either spectating or competing. Seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face, to me.
Don't be afraid to try something different, it might be better.

vincentwu817
10-23-2010, 10:55 AM
I think too many people here are not open about rule changes worrying that it will change the game of 9 ball, yet they don't realize how much the game has changed already. Just because you're not used to something doesn't mean its bad. Be a little more open and consider the suggested changes instead of defending the game before you have even began to read the first word.

tucson9ball
10-23-2010, 11:02 AM
Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. I've seen people here post that if rules are adopted for 9 ball eliminating the so-called two-way shot that they would not support tournaments anymore, either spectating or competing. Seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face, to me.
Don't be afraid to try something different, it might be better.


A two way shot is very different. It's a very intelligently played shot, for example:allowing the shooter to go for a bank shot and stop the cue ball. If you make the bank shot you get position for your next ball, if missing the bank usually you have a ball blocking your opponents direct line. The two way gives the shooter a very high percentage of either running out or getting back to the table for another chance at running out.

Implementing a new rule to shoot again after the break without making a ball will just allow people to soft break and simply play position on the 1 ball in the side or corner. I think 9 ball is good the way it is.

The next thing folks will want to change is allowing another shot in 1 pocket. Now, talk about changing a game, geez.:rolleyes:

nancewayne
10-23-2010, 11:16 AM
Yea....the "good ol' rules" ! Let's get pool back to where it was before TV special rules crap! There are some of the young players that don't even know what a "spot shot" is ???


If you want to go back to the "9 ball rules" that were played for so long...can we bring back the 2 shot roll out rule and get rid of ball in hand after every foul?

manwon
10-23-2010, 11:23 AM
I am a no one in the pool world. My longest pack is a 4 pack, off a Magic Rack no less. I get scared when I play players better than me. My opinion is worth nothing and my reputation is better than I think it should ever be... but here goes.

I am so tired of this "breaker shoots after a legal break" bull. I have busted my rear to make my break better. I have spent hours racking and breaking because I wanted to earn that wing ball.

9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long, and never would you have heard any of the greats say, "you know what, that was a legal break and even though you didn't make a ball go ahead and shoot out the rack."

This is the same issues as little league teams who don't keep score because they don't want any of the kids to think they lost. "Lets give everyone a trophy because they tried." I didn't get any awards as a kid because I tried.... and if I would have I would have had the common sense to throw them away. I would have known they were pitty awards and would have been insulted they got tossed my way.

You come to the table and you break and you make a ball and if you don't, sit your sally rear in the chair. No pitty, no rewards. Stop throwing a fit about what isn't fair and make it fair.... you know why they break better than you? Because they worked at it, thats why. You know how you level the playing field? You practice too.

This thread will die in 4 hours and that may be a good thing but I wanted to let all you know how I feel about this touchy feely crap that half, or at least a verbal group is embrassing... stop being a bunch of cry babies and play the game the way it is suppose to be played. You break, you make, you run.... you break, you don't make, you get beat.

Jered Allan



Jered I agree with you and I think you are certain a lot more observant and a better player than you let on.

Good thread

Dagwoodz
10-23-2010, 12:17 PM
Jered I agree with you and I think you are certain a lot more observant and a better player than you let on.

Good thread

Craig...agree with you on both points...regarding the thread, and the OP's true ability. But after how many years? I still can't get over how pig ugly that avatar of yours is...GOOD LORD! :eek::eek::eek:

This is the way I see this issue: In any pool game that is normally played, if you miss, you sit. The break is a shot, albeit a shot which is designed to spread out the balls which are racked. That being said, if you fail to pocket a ball on a legal break, you should sit! Just like any other shot. Look at the other games:

1-Pocket: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss, you sit.

14.1: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss, you sit.

Banks: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss, you sit.

8-Ball: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss you sit.

10-Ball: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss, you sit.

7-Ball: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss you sit.

6-Ball: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss, you sit.

The only exception I can find is 3-Ball...and it's not even scored by who sinks the case ball, but by who can make all three balls in the least amount of shots!

Either way you look at it, pocket billiards has always been played by the "make a ball, continue" philosophy. I'm not saying that at smaller venues this format that was presented would not work. Supposedly it has shown that it does. But people think pattern racking and soft breaking has ruined 9-Ball? Let someone like Corey Deuel or Donny work on this for about a month and see how big the packages they are putting together are. LOL...and we'll be back at square one.

MitchAlsup
10-23-2010, 01:06 PM
9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long,

I was out of the pool scene for 35 years, and since I've been back I've seen at least 3 major revisions of how racking is performed in the past 3 years.

A) Put the head (1) ball back on the head spot
B) you make a ball, you get to shoot again

I mean, how difficult is it?

C) QUIT moving the TV camera while the stroke is going on.

JesseAllred
10-23-2010, 01:19 PM
I think many people are missing something here. Even if ya make a ball on the break, you still have to make the other 8 balls on the table.
The way everybody is posting, it's like they can run out every single rack. I must really suck, because I can't run out every time I get to the table.

I'm willing to bet that most people are not the favorite to break and run more than 50% of the time. I'll put my money on it. Most guys can't run out even if you give them BIH after the break.

I agree that making the wing ball makes 9 ball an easier game than 10 ball. But, you still have to play position for the 1 ball and run the rack.

thank you for inserting some common sense. even the best in the world have REALLY bad matches where they can't run out some of the racks. this argument about the break is overreacting. whatever the rules and the racking setup are it's equal for both players. and if someone argues that it isn't equal, that's fine too because the more prepared player will take advantage of any loopholes.....OIMO (obviously in my opinion)

CocoboloCowboy
10-23-2010, 01:40 PM
The best place to find the reason you lost a Pool Game, or Match, IMHO is the Mirror.

Pushout
10-23-2010, 04:21 PM
A two way shot is very different. It's a very intelligently played shot, for example:allowing the shooter to go for a bank shot and stop the cue ball. If you make the bank shot you get position for your next ball, if missing the bank usually you have a ball blocking your opponents direct line. The two way gives the shooter a very high percentage of either running out or getting back to the table for another chance at running out.


The key word in the above is "if". I think you should either be shooting to make the shot or playing safe. I don't consider it intelligent, it simply means that "if" you miss, I have no shot. If you call safety, I have to shoot. If you miss and do not call safe, I should be able to give you back the shot, as in the WPA 10 Ball rules, IIRC.
I didn't mean to get into this, it was just an example of some people's mind set.

Jallan
10-23-2010, 05:38 PM
Actually the OP is referring to a bunch of people who proposed that the game "should" be modified to allow the breaker to have a shot after the break. I forget what thread it was in, but I don't believe he's referring to any tournament actually implementing that rule.

This is correct. Thanks for all the replies from those who disagree and those who agree, discussion is what is important. And to be honest, I think there are a lot of people who would like to see nine ball played how it was meant to be played, pre Texas Express rules.

It was changed for TV right? Safe to say that pool and television have not had a marriage made in heaven. If television is the wife then online streaming is the mistress and she is doing all the things the wife never would.

Pool has found, I think, its proper medium so get the game back to its roots.

vincentwu817
10-23-2010, 05:47 PM
LOL. Good analogy. Yea, I don't think pool on TV is that effective. Really, only those who play would watch it consistently. Its not like football, baseball, and basketball that everyone can pretend to be an expert on it. Online streaming is great for pool!

Jallan
10-24-2010, 12:04 PM
Because alternating break is exciting and results in lots of 9-8 scores.
Everyone gets to play and if you are using that famous wing break then you can guarantee that all you need to work on is your lag, or coin flipping ability.

I think we can all agree that tight races are exciting. However, we need to remember not all fans want to only see back and forth matches. There is a segment of pool spectators who want to see big packs laid down. Just think about all of the streamed TAR matches with money flying around on what the longest pack will be. Spectators want to see a set ran out as much as they want to see a back and forth hill-hill battle.

Both of them have their places in the pool world.

9ball
10-24-2010, 12:09 PM
I am a no one in the pool world. My longest pack is a 4 pack, off a Magic Rack no less. I get scared when I play players better than me. My opinion is worth nothing and my reputation is better than I think it should ever be... but here goes.

I am so tired of this "breaker shoots after a legal break" bull. I have busted my rear to make my break better. I have spent hours racking and breaking because I wanted to earn that wing ball.

9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long, and never would you have heard any of the greats say, "you know what, that was a legal break and even though you didn't make a ball go ahead and shoot out the rack."

This is the same issues as little league teams who don't keep score because they don't want any of the kids to think they lost. "Lets give everyone a trophy because they tried." I didn't get any awards as a kid because I tried.... and if I would have I would have had the common sense to throw them away. I would have known they were pitty awards and would have been insulted they got tossed my way.

You come to the table and you break and you make a ball and if you don't, sit your sally rear in the chair. No pitty, no rewards. Stop throwing a fit about what isn't fair and make it fair.... you know why they break better than you? Because they worked at it, thats why. You know how you level the playing field? You practice too.

This thread will die in 4 hours and that may be a good thing but I wanted to let all you know how I feel about this touchy feely crap that half, or at least a verbal group is embrassing... stop being a bunch of cry babies and play the game the way it is suppose to be played. You break, you make, you run.... you break, you don't make, you get beat.

Jered Allan



Well said!

I did not know of this rule if it is being implemented anywhere, Have you seen it in play?


H.P.

AtLarge
10-24-2010, 01:03 PM
Well said!

I did not know of this rule if it is being implemented anywhere, Have you seen it in play?


H.P.

I think the OP is reacting to part of the "No Conflict Rules" proposed by Paul Schofield and discussed in several threads here over the past half year or so.

Before reacting negatively to the idea, one should first try to understand the reasons for the proposal and exactly how it works. Just go to user name "Paul Schofield" and look up some of the threads he has started. The rules have been used in a few tournaments in his room, and the reaction apparently has been positive.

Jaden
10-24-2010, 05:36 PM
That's funny...I thought racism, corrupt government officials, being played by the news media (all of them), ignorance, poor education and general apathy by the public was ruining America.

Shows what I know!

But liberalism and progressivism is used as a vehicle to keep the masses putting the corrrupt in office and fighting amongst each other.

Jaden

Roger Long
10-24-2010, 11:01 PM
This week, the NFL implemented new rules regulating helmet-to-helmet hits. A few minutes ago, I heard a defensive player on TV crying about the unfairness of these new rules. He claimed there are already too many rules that protect the quarterback, and now they have these new rules to contend with. He said, "We might as well just quit playing football."

Sounds familiar.

Roger

Jallan
10-25-2010, 12:50 AM
This week, the NFL implemented new rules regulating helmet-to-helmet hits. A few minutes ago, I heard a defensive player on TV crying about the unfairness of these new rules. He claimed there are already too many rules that protect the quarterback, and now they have these new rules to contend with. He said, "We might as well just quit playing football."

Sounds familiar.

Roger

With all due respect, the comparison of helmet to helmet hits and making a ball on the break is a bit of a reach at best. Now if the pool room owner or TD wanted to regulate break speeds because too often the cue ball was flying off the table and giving head injuries to unsuspecting railbirds I would see the point.