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sk8ordie
03-28-2011, 11:58 PM
Some guy brought in his Willie Mosconi memorabilia to the famous pawn shop. I had to record it on my phone, sorry for the volume and poor quality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kaBVFjoyI

PaulieB
03-29-2011, 12:01 AM
I watched that tonight also ... Rick got a signed book, 9 ball, picture, and a 1x1 case by Willie ... complete with a show case for the whole package ... for $450 I think? I would gladly pay that just to hang it up in my game room.

I noticed that the cue wasn't signed and was barely mentioned... made me wonder what was going on there.

sk8ordie
03-29-2011, 12:15 AM
I'm sure they'll sell it for $1000+. Cue wasn't signed, he said he just threw it in there. What a piece of billiard history, even if it was signed to Scott. I'd buy it, if I could.

12310bch
03-29-2011, 03:58 AM
OMGWTF!!!! The poor sucker. Where is it now? Gotta be somebody on AZB that can I.D. the cue.

JAM
03-29-2011, 04:19 AM
Oh, man, I love that show. I can't wait to see that. I usually watch "Pawn Stars" on the weekends via my OnDemand feature.

That Chumley and Old Man make me laugh all the time. That cackle of Rick reminds me of Buddy Hall's laugh. It's infectious and makes me smile.

I've been waiting for somebody to bring in some pool stuff. My Aunt Effie used to own a consignment shop in Centreville, VA. They bought and sold just about everything, e.g., furniture, clothes, jewelry, appliances. It was a very popular store in that part of Virginia, which used to be country. Her two sons and her sister (my birth mother) used to be able to price items and come with a fair price, buying and selling. It was just like that show, the way they'd engage in back-and-forths on the prices of items.

That takes knowledge. I love the way this pawn shop has a slew of experts they use to get a fair price. My brother is going to Vegas next month, and he said he's going to that pawn shop, just because he, too, loves that TV show, reminding us of our Aunt Effie.

He's going to get me a T-shirt from there. Yeah, I act like a doggone tourist when it comes to stuff like this. I'm a big fan of that show. :D

Thanks for the thread! Cool, cool, cool! :cool:

JAM
03-29-2011, 04:24 AM
I watched that tonight also ... Rick got a signed book, 9 ball, picture, and a 1x1 case by Willie ... complete with a show case for the whole package ... for $450 I think? I would gladly pay that just to hang it up in my game room.

I noticed that the cue wasn't signed and was barely mentioned... made me wonder what was going on there.

I know. I feel like calling somebody I know in Vegas to go over there and buy that for me quick before somebody else gets it.. :grin-square:

That's a good price, though a little depressing that that's all Willie Mosconi's memorabilia, one of the greatest American players of all times, fetches. I have a personally autographed photo of Wille that I got signed when he came to my town to put on an exhibition.

He was so old-fashioned, just like my father, wearing a suit and jacket with tie. My father wouldn't be caught dead out in public without a suit. :p

Anyway, Willie set up a trick shot in the exhibition and asked if anybody in the audience wanted to shoot it. All my friends around me, pushed me and said, "She wants to. She will do it." I was so scared. Willie actually let me hit the shot with *his* cue, too. Wow! Of course, I made it after he set it up, with all balls flying in the pockets with one stroke. :wink:

Fast Lenny
03-29-2011, 05:22 AM
I watched this episode last night and think that it was a well displayed item and he got a fair price for it in this market I feel, he did not get taken. The cue was absolutely garbage and was just in there for decoration, some cheap import.

doctorb98
03-29-2011, 05:23 AM
The case was a $5 kmart case and the cue was a sportcraft also a $5 cue....
176534

larrynj1
03-29-2011, 06:34 AM
I watched that tonight also ... Rick got a signed book, 9 ball, picture, and a 1x1 case by Willie ... complete with a show case for the whole package ... for $450 I think? I would gladly pay that just to hang it up in my game room.

I noticed that the cue wasn't signed and was barely mentioned... made me wonder what was going on there.

willie's autograph is unusually common, he was signing things at exhibitions for decades. sounds like rick overpaid for this stuff.

12310bch
03-29-2011, 06:50 AM
Oops! I guess I would have been the sucker. I'd love to have that 9-ball though.

CocoboloCowboy
03-29-2011, 06:57 AM
We must not forget, and Ricks says it al the time he is in business to make money. He also got taken on a phoney indian vest for $1,300.00 he bought so he don't alway hit hommers.

lfigueroa
03-29-2011, 06:58 AM
willie's autograph is unusually common, he was signing things at exhibitions for decades. sounds like rick overpaid for this stuff.


This is very true. The book is probably not a first edition; the case and stick are no good. The autographed ball is something, though why Willie would sign a 9ball -- a game he hated -- is beyond me. I'd estimate the value at around $100 -150, mostly for the ball.

Lou Figueroa

Scott Lee
03-29-2011, 07:15 AM
Lou...That is exactly the same thing I told my wife, as we were watching last night. Not even sure if the signed 9ball would bring that much. Nice wood display case, but definitely not worth $450 to me. They have had expensive cues on before, as I have seen one of them eyeballing either a Cog or Hunter with a jeweler's loupe, in some of the rolling footage of the crowds in the store.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

This is very true. The book is probably not a first edition; the case and stick are no good. The autographed ball is something, though why Willie would sign a 9ball -- a game he hated -- is beyond me. I'd estimate the value at around $100 -150, mostly for the ball.

Lou Figueroa

risky biz
03-29-2011, 08:26 AM
My brother is going to Vegas next month, and he said he's going to that pawn shop, just because he, too, loves that TV show, . . .

That pawn shop and it's tourists are starting to cause street traffic jams on Vegas Blvd from people trying to get in the parking lot. Sometimes forty people at a time lined up out front waiting to get in.

Fast Lenny
03-29-2011, 08:27 AM
That pawn shop and it's tourists are starting to cause street traffic jams on Vegas Blvd from people trying to get in the parking lot. Sometimes forty people at a time lined up out front waiting to get in.

Yeah, me and my friend incurred this while we were there during the day but late at night you can get in there no problems.

JAM
03-29-2011, 08:31 AM
That pawn shop and it's tourists are starting to cause street traffic jams on Vegas Blvd from people trying to get in the parking lot. Sometimes forty people at a time lined up out front waiting to get in.

Wow! Are you kidding me? Business must be good. LOL

I'd love to go there, but I'll have to be sure to go late at night, I guess. :)

I read in the smut mags that Rick's son, "Big Hoss," got in a bar fight a week or so ago, got arrested, but they let him out the next day after he sobered up.

I sure as heck wouldn't want to tangle with that guy. :shocked2::shocked2::shocked2:

He looks a little like Shannon Daulton. Maybe that's why I like him. :)

houmatroy
03-29-2011, 08:38 AM
Wow! Are you kidding me? Business must be good. LOL

I'd love to go there, but I'll have to be sure to go late at night, I guess. :)

I read in the smut mags that Rick's son, "Big Hoss," got in a bar fight a week or so ago, got arrested, but they let him out the next day after he sobered up.

I sure as heck wouldn't want to tangle with that guy. :shocked2::shocked2::shocked2:

He looks a little like Shannon Daulton. Maybe that's why I like him. :)

He does favor Shannon some..lol...as far as him getting in a barfight...I never had a problem with big guys like that...it was the smaller in shape ones that had cardio for days that you had to watchout for...If it went past 5 or 10 minutes somebody better bust out the oxygen mask..lol:grin:

JAM
03-29-2011, 08:41 AM
He does favor Shannon some..lol...as far as him getting in a barfight...I never had a problem with big guys like that...it was the smaller in shape ones that had cardio for days that you had to watchout for...If it went past 5 or 10 minutes somebody better bust out the oxegen mask..lol:grin:

That is so true. My brother (diehard Marine) is a man of few words, but if any unfortunate soul was ever to cross him, God have mercy on their soul. Let's just say he is a man who thinks good thoughts today. I'm glad to have him on my side. :grin-square:

CocoboloCowboy
03-29-2011, 08:50 AM
The Pawn Shop on Pawn Stars has become a tourist attraction, and the T-shirts, etc. (http://www.gspawn.com/shop), business is very healthy.

macguy
03-29-2011, 09:15 AM
Lou...That is exactly the same thing I told my wife, as we were watching last night. Not even sure if the signed 9ball would bring that much. Nice wood display case, but definitely not worth $450 to me. They have had expensive cues on before, as I have seen one of them eyeballing either a Cog or Hunter with a jeweler's loupe, in some of the rolling footage of the crowds in the store.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I used to see him at the BCA show every years and he signed anything you put in front of him. He would sit at a table and sign hundreds of things over the weekend. I must have a few dozen Mosconi autographs. I got one almost every time I saw him. I once had him sign a book and for some reason he wrote "To John" not my name. I gave it to a friend named John and it is his most prized possession. Back to the original thread, I think they over paid for the stuff or at best about what it may be worth to someone who just has to have it.

Blackjack
03-29-2011, 09:21 AM
This is very true. The book is probably not a first edition; the case and stick are no good. The autographed ball is something, though why Willie would sign a 9ball -- a game he hated -- is beyond me. I'd estimate the value at around $100 -150, mostly for the ball.

Lou Figueroa

I thought same exact thing. Willie HATED 9 ball, but if you think about it, that makes the autographed 9 ball much more of a rarity.

lol

Winston846
03-29-2011, 09:25 AM
Would those pieces have commanded a little more money had they been signed by Fats instead of Mosconi? Fats was every bit a household name as Mosconi - and maybe more because of "The Hustler". Plus, Mosconi had a reputation of being a real a*hole whereas everyone loved Fats.

DogsPlayingPool
03-29-2011, 09:28 AM
That pawn shop and it's tourists are starting to cause street traffic jams on Vegas Blvd from people trying to get in the parking lot. Sometimes forty people at a time lined up out front waiting to get in.

Yeah, they've become celebrities. Watch, pretty soon someone will come in wanting to pawn Rick's own autograph. Wonder what he'd pay for it, or if he'd bring the expert in to authenticate the signature. :grin-square:

jay helfert
03-29-2011, 09:33 AM
Would those pieces have commanded a little more money had they been signed by Fats instead of Mosconi? Fats was every bit a household name as Mosconi - and maybe more because of "The Hustler". Plus, Mosconi had a reputation of being a real a*hole whereas everyone loved Fats.

A true Fat's autograph is a rarity in itself. He used his stamp pad, with his name inscribed on it, to sign/stamp most everything. It was not easy for him to write Minnesota Fats, as it wasn't his real name and he was functionally illiterate. He did sign a few things with his real name, Rudolf Wanderone, which he knew how to write. I had a photo of him and I together that he signed (RW) and then stamped. I haven't seen it in years, and it probably got lost in one of my many moves. :confused:

macguy
03-29-2011, 09:34 AM
Would those pieces have commanded a little more money had they been signed by Fats instead of Mosconi? Fats was every bit a household name as Mosconi - and maybe more because of "The Hustler". Plus, Mosconi had a reputation of being a real a*hole whereas everyone loved Fats.

Actually maybe if the sig was real. I never saw fats sign anything he carried a rubber stamp with his name on it. Someone said it was because he was illiterate and could not really sign his name but I tend to doubt that.

rayjay
03-29-2011, 09:35 AM
I have a signed 8-ball worth about $50, the 9-ball is worth a little more because of the rarity. Fats used a rubber stamp to "sign" autographs!
:p

Winston846
03-29-2011, 09:40 AM
A true Fat's autograph is a rarity in itself. He used his stamp pad, with his name inscribed on it, to sign/stamp most everything. It was not easy for him to write Minnesota Fats, being as how it wasn't his real name and he was functionally illiterate. He did sign a few things with his real name, Rudolf Wanderone, which he knew how to write. I had a photo of him and I together that he signed and then stamped. I haven't seen it in years, and it probably got lost in one of my many moves. :confused:

I never knew Fats was functionally illiterate to the point that he couldn't even sign his own name. I guess that would make a "true" Fats autograph really worth some money.

Blackjack
03-29-2011, 09:45 AM
I have a signed 8-ball worth about $50, the 9-ball is worth a little more because of the rarity. Fats used a rubber stamp to "sign" autographs!
:p

Ok, Ray, you seem to know what you're talking about here... about how much do you think I can get for an IPT 8 ball signed by Bernie Friend?

:)

houmatroy
03-29-2011, 09:47 AM
Ok, Ray, you seem to know what you're talking about here... about how much do you think I can get for an IPT 8 ball signed by Bernie Friend?

:)

Depends on how famous Bernie's friend is...j/k :grin:

Blackjack
03-29-2011, 09:49 AM
Depends on how famous Bernie's friend is...j/k :grin:

The Man, The Myth, The Legend!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DieFzGxvAQA)

houmatroy
03-29-2011, 09:52 AM
The Man, The Myth, The Legend!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DieFzGxvAQA)

Havn't heard his name in years...sry it was just dangling out there..had to..lol

tenballjoe
03-29-2011, 09:59 AM
Unfortunately there are alot of fake Mosconi autographs with FAKE certificates of Authenticity...........Willie did sign a bunch of balls (once signed hundreds in a signing in Florioda alone) Boxes of balls were bought to him and signed. A authentic Mosconi ball signed will sell for about $65-$100..........a Irving Crane (signed way less stuff) or Jimmy Caras ball will sell for $125-$300 depending on condition and the only Luther Lassiter ball I ever seen sold for $775 at a auction Mosconi was one of if not the best ever but did sign alot and due to his popularity unfortuantely there are alot of fake signatures of Mosconi.

willie's autograph is unusually common, he was signing things at exhibitions for decades. sounds like rick overpaid for this stuff.

PaulieB
03-29-2011, 10:18 AM
We must not forget, and Ricks says it al the time he is in business to make money. He also got taken on a phoney indian vest for $1,300.00 he bought so he don't alway hit hommers.

At least the fake vest looked good on Alvin the Chipmunk. :)

ridinda9
03-29-2011, 11:20 AM
A true Fat's autograph is a rarity in itself. He used his stamp pad, with his name inscribed on it, to sign/stamp most everything. It was not easy for him to write Minnesota Fats, as it wasn't his real name and he was functionally illiterate. He did sign a few things with his real name, Rudolf Wanderone, which he knew how to write. I had a photo of him and I together that he signed (RW) and then stamped. I haven't seen it in years, and it probably got lost in one of my many moves. :confused:

It's a good thing for Bob Meucci that Fat's was illiterate - he may have never noticed that Bob spelled his name wrong on his custom-made cue ! It says Minn-A-sota Fats !:cool:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=199824&highlight=minnesota+meucci

Pushout
03-29-2011, 12:42 PM
Unfortunately there are alot of fake Mosconi autographs with FAKE certificates of Authenticity...........Willie did sign a bunch of balls (once signed hundreds in a signing in Florioda alone) Boxes of balls were bought to him and signed. A authentic Mosconi ball signed will sell for about $65-$100..........a Irving Crane (signed way less stuff) or Jimmy Caras ball will sell for $125-$300 depending on condition and the only Luther Lassiter ball I ever seen sold for $775 at a auction Mosconi was one of if not the best ever but did sign alot and due to his popularity unfortuantely there are alot of fake signatures of Mosconi.

Also, unfortunately, certificates of authenticity are easier to fake than a signature. It's a well known fact in the autograph collecting community that just about anybody can whip up a COA on a decent ink jet printer. COAs don't mean a damn thing. Best you can do is deal with a well known, reputable dealer.

macguy
03-29-2011, 02:19 PM
Also, unfortunately, certificates of authenticity are easier to fake than a signature. It's a well known fact in the autograph collecting community that just about anybody can whip up a COA on a decent ink jet printer. COAs don't mean a damn thing. Best you can do is deal with a well known, reputable dealer.

Many people used to also having their pictures takes maybe even being handed the autograph. Today though with stuff you can do on a PC you can't trust anything. The way it seems to work is if an expert certifies something authentic, be it art or autographs what ever. Once done that is what it is from now on or until another expert disputes it starting the proses all over again.

rayjay
03-29-2011, 03:02 PM
Ok, Ray, you seem to know what you're talking about here... about how much do you think I can get for an IPT 8 ball signed by Bernie Friend?

:)

I guess it would depend on who's selling it...if it were Bernie it would be a bundle, but if you were selling it I would guess around $20.
:p

billy
03-29-2011, 03:47 PM
A true Fat's autograph is a rarity in itself. He used his stamp pad, with his name inscribed on it, to sign/stamp most everything. It was not easy for him to write Minnesota Fats, as it wasn't his real name and he was functionally illiterate. He did sign a few things with his real name, Rudolf Wanderone, which he knew how to write. I had a photo of him and I together that he signed (RW) and then stamped. I haven't seen it in years, and it probably got lost in one of my many moves. :confused:




Funny you should mention this Jay. Asked him for his autograph years ago and he broke out his stamp and hit the paper which was cool in itself. But asked him kindly if he would sign actually, he waited a second then did sign it personally. So ... had it framed and looks like a million dollars. Wouldn't sell it for big money. Not sure if there's anything like it out there!?! Signature is just like the stamp. He didn't sign it Rudolph Wanderone but Minnesota Fats. If I say so myself - very cool

CocoboloCowboy
03-29-2011, 04:08 PM
At least the fake vest looked good on Alvin the Chipmunk. :)

Chumlee driving the FAUX Batmobile was too cool. I love Pawn Stars!

sk8ordie
03-29-2011, 05:03 PM
I watch this show all the time also Jam. I was surprised to come home and seen that Mosconi stuff, it was DVR'd. I know like Mr. Scott Lee said, at the opening credits they show a glimpse of a nice cue but never had anything billiards related on the show. Someone not to long ago started a thread about this same subject. I know Rick pays 1/2 of what he's going to ask for it, so, there's most likely going to be a $1000 price tag on it. With all the experts he brings in, I'm surprised he didn't check the signatures. I couldn't remember if it was Fats or Mosconi didn't didn't sign stuff.

ChicagoRJ
03-29-2011, 05:11 PM
Didn't anyone notice the guy selling the Mosconi stuff called Willie a 9ball Champion. And Rick didn't bat an eye. I thought Rick knew everything, or maybe his "mosconi guy" had the night off... who knows.

trustyrusty
03-30-2011, 06:13 AM
Didn't anyone notice the guy selling the Mosconi stuff called Willie a 9ball Champion. And Rick didn't bat an eye. I thought Rick knew everything, or maybe his "mosconi guy" had the night off... who knows.

Willie may not have been a 9 ball champion, but even worse - he knew NOTHING about 1P, could only run 8 and out. lol.

As for the episode - the KMart Sportcraft cue and case was kinda cheesy. I used to have a Mosconi edition Joss that came with a case. Now, if that were part of the collection (and the case had an actual signature) I'd have quickly paid four fiddy for it ;) :thumbup:

edit for cue link - http://www.josscues.com/cue_archives/Archive/html/Crystal/mosconi/JM526.html here's one that was listed on here - http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=2186439

shoulda kept that one

ChicagoRJ
03-30-2011, 05:49 PM
Or forget about the seller calling Willie a 9ball champion, he stated he played Mosconi in a match. I mean, exactly how old was this seller. He didn't look all that old (mid 40's ??) And how come Rick didn't catch this.

If a guy comes in selling Mosconi stuff and doesn't even know he was a straight pool champ, and then says he played him when he does not appear he is old enough to have ever played Willie, I don't think I'm buying sh*t from that guy.

Plus, Rick way over paid for this imho. Still a great show....but something don't smell right on this one.

ACE
07-26-2017, 12:52 PM
I now own the Willie Mosconi memorabilia shadow box.
Everything is signed and each autograph has a certificate of authenticity.
Just curious what you think now...?

Dead Money
07-27-2017, 12:25 AM
Neat! How did you end up with it?

ChicagoRJ
07-27-2017, 07:19 AM
Yeah, looks good. ^^^^^^^^

poolpro
07-27-2017, 11:05 AM
I now own the Willie Mosconi memorabilia shadow box.
Everything is signed and each autograph has a certificate of authenticity.
Just curious what you think now...?


I think its pretty cool that you have it. I don't know why it would change anyone's idea on what it is, or what it is worth though.

I hope you paid less than the $450 that the store paid for it. But really, if you are happy with your purchase, who cares what it's worth? I own many things that I know are worth more to me than what I could get for them. It doesn't change any enjoyment of owning them.


On another note, I have a nice signed cue ball by Willie, Anyone care to estimate what it might be worth? It's legit and in excellent condition in a display case.

Chopdoc
07-27-2017, 11:44 AM
I now own the Willie Mosconi memorabilia shadow box.
Everything is signed and each autograph has a certificate of authenticity.
Just curious what you think now...?

I am a close follower of the market for such memorabilia.

I think it's a great set you have and I hope you enjoy owning it.

Buying the items on the open market and assembling such a display would not be too difficult. The most expensive component would in fact be the shadow box itself.

Of course, that does not include the sweat equity you would have in the value of your time and effort in finding the items. That generally isn't recoverable in the value of such a collection.

Nice set! Enjoy it! :smile:


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Chopdoc
07-27-2017, 11:45 AM
I think its pretty cool that you have it. I don't know why it would change anyone's idea on what it is, or what it is worth though.

I hope you paid less than the $450 that the store paid for it. But really, if you are happy with your purchase, who cares what it's worth? I own many things that I know are worth more to me than what I could get for them. It doesn't change any enjoyment of owning them.


On another note, I have a nice signed cue ball by Willie, Anyone care to estimate what it might be worth? It's legit and in excellent condition in a display case.

The shop paid $450 for it? I would say that is high retail.

Usually they max out at 50% of retail when buying an item. I wonder what they were thinking?


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alphadog
07-27-2017, 12:29 PM
The shop paid $450 for it? I would say that is high retail.

Usually they max out at 50% of retail when buying an item. I wonder what they were thinking?


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Uhm,it's REALITY TV,what are you wondering?;)

johnnysd
07-27-2017, 02:27 PM
Or forget about the seller calling Willie a 9ball champion, he stated he played Mosconi in a match. I mean, exactly how old was this seller. He didn't look all that old (mid 40's ??) And how come Rick didn't catch this.

If a guy comes in selling Mosconi stuff and doesn't even know he was a straight pool champ, and then says he played him when he does not appear he is old enough to have ever played Willie, I don't think I'm buying sh*t from that guy.

Plus, Rick way over paid for this imho. Still a great show....but something don't smell right on this one.

This thread is like 6 years old and I am roughly the same age as the guy and I played Willie in a couple games at an event at some random billiard supply place once in LA maybe around 1991 or so, so it is possible he wasn't exactly lying. I think I paid $5 a game to play him so wouldn't exactly call it a match,

I also still have a signed program from a Willie Mosconi event at Hard Times in the same time frame. A young Earl Strickland won.

Chopdoc
07-27-2017, 02:54 PM
Uhm,it's REALITY TV,what are you wondering?;)

Ah yes, of course.

It's just a show. Entertainment.

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ACE
07-28-2017, 04:48 PM
Neat! How did you end up with it?

I built a 4 point cocobolo custom cue for it to the guy that bought it from "Pawn Stars" in Las Vegas.

book collector
07-28-2017, 07:29 PM
Would those pieces have commanded a little more money had they been signed by Fats instead of Mosconi? Fats was every bit a household name as Mosconi - and maybe more because of "The Hustler". Plus, Mosconi had a reputation of being a real a*hole whereas everyone loved Fats.

already mentioned

jimmyco
07-28-2017, 08:11 PM
Uhm,it's REALITY TV,what are you wondering?;)

Exactly.

Pawn Stars has a team that searches Craigslist, Thrifty Nickel, ebay, etc., looking for items that fit the History channel theme. They contact the seller, pre-negotiate a price for the item and a small appearance fee, and just like the People's Court, Springer and others, fly them in on the cheap, put them up on the cheap and send them home.

Still, it is one of very few programs I truely enjoy.

Dead Money
07-28-2017, 11:19 PM
I built a 4 point cocobolo custom cue for it to the guy that bought it from "Pawn Stars" in Las Vegas.

Very cool Enjoy it, it is a nice item to have:)