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sneakynito
05-25-2011, 03:11 PM
Picked this up in a pawn shop today, don't know anything about it. I can't find any markings anywhere, has a 3/4 inch ferrule. I took the best pictures I could, but there's not very much to go by. Thanks in advance if anyone knows anything.
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TheNewSharkster
05-25-2011, 03:24 PM
is that ivory on the butt and joint?

sneakynito
05-25-2011, 03:30 PM
I could not tell. I read about tests online, hot needle, etc., but am afraid to try.

just kick'n
05-25-2011, 03:49 PM
Judging by the wrap, it is not an expensive cue, but could have some age on it. Doubt if the white is ivory also. You didn't get hurt if you spent 10 to 20$ on it IMO.

manwon
05-25-2011, 03:58 PM
[QUOTE=sneakynito;3029691]Picked this up in a pawn shop today, don't know anything about it. I can't find any markings anywhere, has a 3/4 inch ferrule. I took the best pictures I could, but there's not very much to go by. Thanks in advance if anyone knows anything.


The cue is made Adam Custom Cues, it is not a high end model. But the bumper, wrap, Pin and the over all designs screems Adam.

Blue Hog ridr
05-25-2011, 04:02 PM
So, Uncle Fester owned it Craig?

hang-the-9
05-25-2011, 04:12 PM
[QUOTE=sneakynito;3029691]Picked this up in a pawn shop today, don't know anything about it. I can't find any markings anywhere, has a 3/4 inch ferrule. I took the best pictures I could, but there's not very much to go by. Thanks in advance if anyone knows anything.


The cue is made Adam Custom Cues, it is not a high end model. But the bumper, wrap, Pin and the over all designs screems Adam.

You probably know better than I do, but it seems very Heubler-like to me. Although every one I have seen has their name in the buttcap.

plshrk22
05-25-2011, 05:06 PM
Wrap looks like a China cue..

pt109
05-25-2011, 05:10 PM
Wrap looks like a China cue..

Agreed...I have never seen a nylon wrap on a quality cue.
You buy these things by the case.

sneakynito
05-25-2011, 05:43 PM
thanks for all the info, guys.

Quote:
Originally Posted by plshrk22 View Post
Wrap looks like a China cue..
Quote:
Agreed...I have never seen a nylon wrap on a quality cue.
You buy these things by the case.

are you guys saying the wrap discredits the Adam or Heubler cue possibility?

plshrk22
05-25-2011, 06:04 PM
For sure not a Huebler. Could be an Adams but I highly doubt it. I would say 99% sure it is a China cue, no real value. Does it play well?

pt109
05-25-2011, 06:08 PM
thanks for all the info, guys.

Quote:
Originally Posted by plshrk22 View Post
Wrap looks like a China cue..
Quote:
Agreed...I have never seen a nylon wrap on a quality cue.
You buy these things by the case.

are you guys saying the wrap discredits the Adam or Heubler cue possibility?

Can't see Paul Heubler ever allowing nylon wraps.
Adams has farmed out some low line products made by the 'generic' people
..but I've yet to see nylon even on these

Brunswick has actually put their name on some nylon wraps....but they
haven't made a quality cue for a long time.
The best Brunswicks I've seen since Rambow are made by Joss or Falcon.

sneakynito
05-25-2011, 06:58 PM
For sure not a Huebler. Could be an Adams but I highly doubt it. I would say 99% sure it is a China cue, no real value. Does it play well?

Haven't gotten a chance to play with it yet. Hopefully will this evening.

And thanks for the help pt109 and everyone else.

A few questions for future pawn shopping.
How do you distinguish between nylon and linen wraps so readily?
I'm learning cue makers and brand names, but with unmarked cues what else should I look for to shy away from cheap older production cues? This one appeared well made and was pretty cheap with a case so I picked it up. No regrets so far, but I haven't played with it yet, which will be the real test.

plshrk22
05-25-2011, 07:12 PM
These days Pawn Shops are pretty wise to a nice pool cue. I think when they are in doubt they just over price them. The good stories about pawn shop cues are few and far between. I mean if they question a cue maker these days they just hop onto the internet and BAM they find the most knowledgable people on AZ that will tell them the value of the cues. I did the whole pawn shop thing going all around town. It was a waste of fuel.. If you frequent AZ enough you will find some very good deals. I would get familiar with cues on AZ before you go out and try to find a gem in a pawn shop. There are more cheap cues out there than quality, just keep that in mind.

jayman
05-25-2011, 07:58 PM
Its an Adam ST-2 Basking. Its from the "Shark Teeth" line late 70's very early eighties.

jayman
05-25-2011, 08:03 PM
Agreed...I have never seen a nylon wrap on a quality cue.
You buy these things by the case.

The early Balabushka cues have Nylon wraps, as did many decent vintage cues. Viking and McDermott used them very frequently back in the 70's and eighties.

JDB
05-25-2011, 08:20 PM
The early Balabushka cues have Nylon wraps, as did many decent vintage cues. Viking and McDermott used them very frequently back in the 70's and eighties.

You are correct, my first viking cue, which I purchased in the late 80's, maybe early 90's, had a nylon wrap and it was a very good production cue.

Of course, they were also the reason that I would never buy a cue with a nylon wrap again, too, because it started to unravel...lol. But it was a quality cue; and I am sure the wrap unraveling was my fault.

sneakynito
05-25-2011, 10:45 PM
These days Pawn Shops are pretty wise to a nice pool cue. I think when they are in doubt they just over price them. The good stories about pawn shop cues are few and far between. I mean if they question a cue maker these days they just hop onto the internet and BAM they find the most knowledgable people on AZ that will tell them the value of the cues. I did the whole pawn shop thing going all around town. It was a waste of fuel.. If you frequent AZ enough you will find some very good deals. I would get familiar with cues on AZ before you go out and try to find a gem in a pawn shop. There are more cheap cues out there than quality, just keep that in mind.

I realize all this. That's why I went with the unmarked one I thought seemed well made. They might not know what they had, of course I didn't either, but it was a cheap gamble so why not.

jayman
Its an Adam ST-2 Basking. Its from the "Shark Teeth" line late 70's very early eighties.

my hat is off to you sir, quite impressed. Did this cue not come with the logo or was it removed. What gives its identity away to you if you don't mind my asking?

Also, went and shot a few balls with it this evening. The weighting/balance on it seems different than what I'm used to, but it shot real nice.

pt109
05-26-2011, 08:52 AM
The early Balabushka cues have Nylon wraps, as did many decent vintage cues. Viking and McDermott used them very frequently back in the 70's and eighties.

Guess I better re-phrase that...
..I haven't knowingly seen a nylon wrap on a quality cue.
When I see nylon, I just walk away...assuming it's driftwood.
Nylon is hard on the hand, could end up drawing blood in a long session.

And are you sure about Balabuska using nylon? I'm not disagreeing, I just
hope he didn't.:shocked2:
Hopefully it was silk.
I had a 1915 Brunswick with a silk wrap...could be mistaken for nylon.
Traded it for 3 good cues from Murphey out of Texas.
One of those really satisfying deals...we were both happy

powerlineman80
05-26-2011, 09:41 AM
The pawn shops here are nuts, they had one of the White Cuetecs (similar to the Allison Fisher signature cue) and wanted $100 for it and it was beat to chit and came with a crappy case. I just laughed and walked out. Most do not have cues around here that I know of. I just wished I could find a cue that I would even buy here. They had two Falcons I think and wanted outrageous prices like the Cuetec.

manwon
05-26-2011, 08:45 PM
This is one hell of thread all these posts to identify a simple common and non-valuable Adam cue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbup:


Well it is offical it's an Adam Cue!!!!!!!!!:grin:


WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

pwd72s
05-26-2011, 10:36 PM
thanks for all the info, guys.

Quote:
Originally Posted by plshrk22 View Post
Wrap looks like a China cue..
Quote:
Agreed...I have never seen a nylon wrap on a quality cue.
You buy these things by the case.

are you guys saying the wrap discredits the Adam or Heubler cue possibility?

It shouldn't...my wife has an early 70's merry widow adams, had the lion sticker & everything. It has a nylon wrap.

pt109
05-27-2011, 11:14 AM
This is one hell of thread all these posts to identify a simple common and non-valuable Adam cue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbup:


Well it is offical it's an Adam Cue!!!!!!!!!:grin:


WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

Craig, would George really have put a nylon wrap on a 'Buska?
..be like whitewashing a Lamborghini...imo

manwon
05-27-2011, 01:07 PM
Craig, would George really have put a nylon wrap on a 'Buska?
..be like whitewashing a Lamborghini...imo



The first cues that George built had Black Nylon Wraps on them, in the beginning / early 1960's that is all he used and if an original Balabushka is found today with one of Georges original Nylon Wraps it is considered very Rare and worth a premium.

It appears that many of his early cue owners had him change their wraps once he started using Cortland #9 Irish Linen.

So while I personally do not like playing with one, many older cues by some high end makers especially those made in the 1960's did have Nylon Wraps, what it all come down to is that you have to know what to look for and a decision can't be made by wrap alone of even by having the Pin in the shaft and not the cues butt.

Hope this helps:)

pt109
05-27-2011, 01:57 PM
The first cues that George built had Black Nylon Wraps on them, in the beginning / early 1960's that is all he used and if an original Balabushka is found today with one of Georges original Nylon Wraps it is considered very Rare and worth a premium.

It appears that many of his early cue owners had him change their wraps once he started using Cortland #9 Irish Linen.

So while I personally do not like playing with one, many older cues by some high end makers especially those made in the 1960's did have Nylon Wraps, what it all come down to is that you have to know what to look for and a decision can't be made by wrap alone of even by having the Pin in the shaft and not the cues butt.

Hope this helps:)

Thanx...that helps bigtime.
Probably walked away from a few winners over the years...hate nylon.
First pool cue I ever bought had a nylon wrap and I said "never again"

and thanx, AZ...this thread has enlightened me