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TheDragon
05-26-2011, 03:26 PM
Does anybody know what's the ebony cue Shane's using?

Realizm
05-26-2011, 03:28 PM
A cuetec ..

The Saw
05-26-2011, 03:30 PM
A cuetec ..

An "ebonyesque" Cuetec....

lukemindish
05-26-2011, 03:51 PM
Its a Cuetec specially made for him....made to his specs

Trent
05-26-2011, 04:14 PM
u mean black sticker colored cue?

TheDragon
05-26-2011, 07:26 PM
wow, I'm surprised that he's using a cuetec.

J Soto
05-26-2011, 07:31 PM
wow, I'm surprised that he's using a cuetec.

He's sponsored by Cuetec.


www.pooldawg.com/product/cuetec-ct698-shane-van-boening-s-r360-edge-pool-cue

Rooolfl
05-26-2011, 07:39 PM
An "ebonyesque" Cuetec....

ebonyesque!!! :rotflmao1:

pwd72s
05-26-2011, 10:38 PM
I'd use a cuetec too...if they paid me enough. :grin:

heit8
05-26-2011, 10:44 PM
Did Earl say Cuetec ruined hi career? Shane seems to be shooting just fine with it.
I would also use Cuetec if they paid me.

ContinentalGT
05-26-2011, 10:49 PM
cuetec is a piece of junk. they couldn't pay me enough to use it.

beav99_4life
05-26-2011, 10:50 PM
wow, I'm surprised that he's using a cuetec.

Why? He's getting paid to use it and he wins with it. Sounds like a win/win situation to me.

GADawg
05-26-2011, 10:51 PM
cuetec is a piece of junk. they couldn't pay me enough to use it.

Please let Allison and Shane know the error of their ways.

softshot
05-26-2011, 10:55 PM
if you think the cue makes any difference at all... you can't play in the first place..

Strike First
05-26-2011, 10:56 PM
Please let Allison and Shane know the error of their ways.

someone owns a cuetec

GADawg
05-26-2011, 11:03 PM
No I don't have one and never have but I do believe that a talented player can play with about any cue and still be successful.

Earl only started badmouthing Cuetec after they cut off his sponsorship. Typical Earl.

DogsPlayingPool
05-26-2011, 11:14 PM
And don't forget Travis Trotter. He also plays with a Cuetec.

SLOW_N_TIGHT
05-27-2011, 12:21 AM
Did Earl say Cuetec ruined hi career? Shane seems to be shooting just fine with it.
I would also use Cuetec if they paid me.

earl did say that but then again that is earl just being earl. although when earl was playing with a cuetec they didnt have wood shafts. now they have the r 360 shaft that actually plays pretty good, my girl friend has one and it hits solid. also from what i have seen from being up close to shane and seeing his cue im pretty sure that he is using his old schon shaft that he grew up playing with.

Johnnyt
05-27-2011, 12:26 AM
Shane noticed I was playing with a Cuetec R-360 so he called Cuetec to order one.;) I didn't keep the first one I bought 6 years ago more than two days, but these -360's hit pretty good. I use mine as a player 85% of the time and I have Vikings with stock and OB shafts, DP's and several others. Johnnyt

MoonshineMattK
05-27-2011, 12:30 AM
The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

softshot
05-27-2011, 12:39 AM
The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

and in the end you are right back where you started..

PaulieB
05-27-2011, 12:42 AM
Its a Cuetec specially made for him....made to his specs

If I were a pro, I could care less if Sportcraft sponsored me if they made the EXACT cue to my EXACT specs and gave me multiple opportunities to reject the cues I didn't like. Then Sportcraft could brag about how I won 3 major tournaments with "their" cue. Of course, the same cue wouldn't be actually available to anyone just by purchasing it online, but that doesn't matter ... the company rep won with a cue with their name on it! Might as well grab a Szamboti and stick a Cuetec label on the buttcap somewhere, heh.

softshot
05-27-2011, 12:45 AM
If I were a pro, I could care less if Sportcraft sponsored me if they made the EXACT cue to my EXACT specs and gave me multiple opportunities to reject the cues I didn't like. Then Sportcraft could brag about how I won 3 major tournaments with "their" cue. Of course, the same cue wouldn't be actually available to anyone just by purchasing it online, but that doesn't matter ... the company rep won with a cue with their name on it! Might as well grab a Szamboti and stick a Cuetec label on the buttcap somewhere, heh.

exact...

straight maple with some leather on the end...

that is as exact as any real pool player needs.

GADawg
05-27-2011, 12:57 AM
If I were a pro, I could care less if Sportcraft sponsored me if they made the EXACT cue to my EXACT specs and gave me multiple opportunities to reject the cues I didn't like. Then Sportcraft could brag about how I won 3 major tournaments with "their" cue. Of course, the same cue wouldn't be actually available to anyone just by purchasing it online, but that doesn't matter ... the company rep won with a cue with their name on it! Might as well grab a Szamboti and stick a Cuetec label on the buttcap somewhere, heh.

Don't know if it is true or not but I believe Allison says her Cuetec is right out of the box and anyone can buy one just like hers.

PaulieB
05-27-2011, 01:00 AM
Go glue a hunk of uncured pig butt on an untreated 40 mm wide broom stick and tell me how well you play, heh.

I understand your argument, but you are over simplifying it just a bit.

*edit* sorry, this was in response to softshot, who thinks that any random piece of wood with a hunk of dead animal on the end is just as good as a custom cue. :)

softshot
05-27-2011, 01:37 AM
Go glue a hunk of uncured pig butt on an untreated 40 mm wide broom stick and tell me how well you play, heh.

I understand your argument, but you are over simplifying it just a bit.

*edit* sorry, this was in response to softshot, who thinks that any random piece of wood with a hunk of dead animal on the end is just as good as a custom cue. :)

Willie Mosconi learned to play with potatoes and a broomstick...

don't matter what you got it's better than that... and he was better than you will ever hope to be.

Technique trumps equipment..hands down... every time

PaulieB
05-27-2011, 01:50 AM
I'm sure Michael Jordan could play better basketball with a square ball than I would ever be able to ... but give him a round ball and watch out! Saying equipment doesn't matter *at all* is just ridiculous.

If equipment didn't matter, golfers would still be using their one wooden club to knock their hunk of leather around. I'm guessing a purist like yourself would say that the top golfers would be able to compete just as well with a hunk of wooden club and a roughly round hunk of leather. And yes, I know golf isn't pool, but if you can't see the comparison, I'm completely lost in having a rational discussion regarding this.

poolplayer2093
05-27-2011, 01:53 AM
Did Earl say Cuetec ruined hi career? Shane seems to be shooting just fine with it.
I would also use Cuetec if they paid me.

i think it's earl's tantrums that ruined his career. cuetec paid him for years to use their cues and that's the kind of stuff he spits about 'em.

to be honest they'd have sold more of them if they'd made earl's cue look like shane's. i dig the way shane's looks. i'd consider getting one if i was in the market and they came with wood shafts. and hit ok obviously

softshot
05-27-2011, 01:55 AM
I'm sure Michael Jordan could play better basketball with a square ball than I would ever be able to ... but give him a round ball and watch out! Saying equipment doesn't matter *at all* is just ridiculous.

If equipment didn't matter, golfers would still be using their one wooden club to knock their hunk of leather around. I'm guessing a purist like yourself would say that the top golfers would be able to compete just as well with a hunk of wooden club and a roughly round hunk of leather. And yes, I know golf isn't pool, but if you can't see the comparison, I'm completely lost in having a rational discussion regarding this.

golf is NOT pool there is no benefit in hitting a ball farther than the other guy

this game is about control.. and control comes from bicep articulation..
combined with good form

there IS a comfort factor.... I myself I like linen wraps...but I don't NEED a linen wrap

I like hard tips..but I don't NEED a hard tip

I like the cue I have been practicing with for the past 6 years

but I don't NEED it.

I can do anything with a house cue as I can do with my preferred cue...

and so can you..

end of the day.. if you can't do it with a cue off the wall then you can't do it reliably enough to try it in competition..

PERIOD

Strike First
05-27-2011, 02:55 AM
golf is NOT pool there is no benefit in hitting a ball farther than the other guy

this game is about control.. and control comes from bicep articulation..
combined with good form

there IS a comfort factor.... I myself I like linen wraps...but I don't NEED a linen wrap

I like hard tips..but I don't NEED a hard tip

I like the cue I have been practicing with for the past 6 years

but I don't NEED it.

I can do anything with a house cue as I can do with my preferred cue...

and so can you..

end of the day.. if you can't do it with a cue off the wall then you can't do it reliably enough to try it in competition..

PERIOD

And yet equipment still matters :smash:

Trent
05-27-2011, 04:59 AM
Willie Mosconi learned to play with potatoes and a broomstick...

don't matter what you got it's better than that... and he was better than you will ever hope to be.

Technique trumps equipment..hands down... every time

Softshot you have to remember your on AZ some battles cant be one.

but i will agreee with you.

Kenny Mckoy (might have spelled that wrong) the Truck Driver
if you know him then you know he was a monster player
he hangs out in our local room everyday

he leaned to play pool with a warped cue with no tip on a table that was put out next to a old tree with ripped cloth and bad rubbers.

played like that everyday on the way home from school for years until he left for college went to a pool room and when he got there stood looking at the cues and the balls for about 20 minutes until a man came over and asked if he wanted to gamble a bit. Kenny stepped back and said "well i might but..... whats this thing on the end of the stick" pointing at the cue tip. kenny never played with one before. and still beat the other man out of his money after learning the rules for the first time and never even playing with a real tip until then.

now i will admit that a great player will always be more comfortable and play better with a nice cue of there own but at the same time if you play good it doesnt matter what you play with you can adjust and learn to drive on with what you have.

most people in this forum need the 7 from our B league around here, and have no idea what im talking about.

Woof Biscuit
05-27-2011, 06:05 AM
It's the indian, not the arrow.

mosconiac
05-27-2011, 07:21 AM
Geez, there is so much hate for cuetec on here. At times, I participated in looking down my nose at them.

A buddy of mine plays with one so I've picked it up & hit some (a lot) of balls with it just to see what all the fuss is about. The reality is...AFTER HITTING BALLS WITH ONE...I don't understand why cuetec deserves such hate. They aren't all that bad.

Cuetec serves a specific role & satisfies a need for cheap, decent playing cues. Not everyone can swing a TS, Bender, Schon, Zinzola.....

Besides, they sponsor some of the best players in the game and sponsor pool on ESPN, so thumbs up from me on that.

Black-Balled
05-27-2011, 07:24 AM
A cuetec ..


Hahaha! Good one.

ShootingRazbone
05-27-2011, 07:29 AM
golf is NOT pool there is no benefit in hitting a ball farther than the other guy

this game is about control.. and control comes from bicep articulation..
combined with good form

there IS a comfort factor.... I myself I like linen wraps...but I don't NEED a linen wrap

I like hard tips..but I don't NEED a hard tip

I like the cue I have been practicing with for the past 6 years

but I don't NEED it.

I can do anything with a house cue as I can do with my preferred cue...

and so can you..

end of the day.. if you can't do it with a cue off the wall then you can't do it reliably enough to try it in competition..

PERIOD


A player with talent can "juice" (english) the cueball to do anything with any stick ..yes i agree. What technology does is make it easier for said player to do the same with the cueball with less "juice". Less "juice" on the cueball means less missing. Therefor it is just common sense to say that the same player with talent has just improved his game simply by missing less using the very technology you say is not needed. IE: low deflection shafts, cue extensions, better tip technology....If you can do the same with any stick why on earth did you go buy a personal cue..waste of money if you ask me.

Side Note: I can make shots with my OB1 shaft that I could never ...ever... do with my original Schon shafts. That is just simple fact. I do however understand the point you are trying to make. But, I have the argue the point of new technology does improve your game.

CrisDeLaGarza
05-27-2011, 07:37 AM
Cuetec serves a specific role & satisfies a need for cheap, decent playing cues. Not everyone can swing a TS, Bender, Schon, Zinzola.....

Besides, they sponsor some of the best players in the game and sponsor pool on ESPN, so thumbs up from me on that.

Exactly! The more elite players need to realize that our sport would not exist without the "casual" players and without the companies that serve those casual players. Cuetec invests a lot of money into pool and if more companies paid their players as well as Cuetec does it would be a lot easier for pro's to make a living.

Unless it has changed from when Shane first signed with Cuetec (which is very possible because I haven't seen him in awhile so I don't know) he did play with a cue right off the shelf. They offered him a couple of choices in diameter of tip but it was a stock cue, no special material or special taper.

hang-the-9
05-27-2011, 07:42 AM
Hahaha! Good one.

You do realize that he's serious? He really does play with one since they started handing him money.

The Saw
05-27-2011, 10:13 AM
Geez, there is so much hate for cuetec on here. At times, I participated in looking down my nose at them.

A buddy of mine plays with one so I've picked it up & hit some (a lot) of balls with it just to see what all the fuss is about. The reality is...AFTER HITTING BALLS WITH ONE...I don't understand why cuetec deserves such hate. They aren't all that bad.

When I was running the poolroom, if I was out front and wanted to hit a few balls, I would always grab a Cuetec off the display rack. I could have grabbed a Joss, Viking, Meucci, Falcon, or even a custom cue like an Omen or Paul Mottey. Employees would always say use my cue or why grab a Cuetec? Because they have a decent hit and no matter which one you grab they all play exactly the same.....

Black-Balled
05-27-2011, 10:17 AM
...Cuetec invests a lot of money into pool and if more companies paid their players as well as Cuetec does it would be a lot easier for pro's to make a living.

Unless it has changed from when Shane first signed with Cuetec (which is very possible because I haven't seen him in awhile so I don't know) ...
So you 2 are no longer married? Hu-muh-na Hu-muh-na.

DogsPlayingPool
05-27-2011, 10:40 AM
A player with talent can "juice" (english) the cueball to do anything with any stick ..yes i agree. What technology does is make it easier for said player to do the same with the cueball with less "juice". Less "juice" on the cueball means less missing. Therefor it is just common sense to say that the same player with talent has just improved his game simply by missing less using the very technology you say is not needed. IE: low deflection shafts, cue extensions, better tip technology....If you can do the same with any stick why on earth did you go buy a personal cue..waste of money if you ask me.

Side Note: I can make shots with my OB1 shaft that I could never ...ever... do with my original Schon shafts. That is just simple fact. I do however understand the point you are trying to make. But, I have the argue the point of new technology does improve your game.

Don't mean to open the debate about technology v. old school but I'm not sure I understand this point you are making about LD shafts. I get how using less english may translate into making more balls for you but how does an LD shaft allow you to use less english than an old school shaft with an ivory ferrule? I would think the LD shaft, if anything, would allow you to use more english.

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I heard the same thing Chris DLG did, that Shane's Cuetec was pretty much off the rack from the company, or at least, whatever they made for him was going to become available. But my understanding about when he went to Cuetec was that he wasn't playing with a "one-off".

jhanso18
05-27-2011, 10:40 AM
shane's cuetec is off the shelf. you can order one exactly like his if you want. (p.s. - wont help you shoot better. i have proof. ;) ) his schone is tucked away in storage. i have hit with it, it plays decent. not my cup of tea, but i would hit with it. if could only aford to spend $250 max, this might be the best cue for the $$. i would also argue it can be to bad, his cuetec DID just win the us open 10 ball! ;)

As far as earl's cue when he was playing with cuetec i believe that he had custom mad shaft on them.


just my .02,

justin

TheNewSharkster
05-27-2011, 11:04 AM
I haven't read this whole thread but I will add that using your own pool cue (even a cuetec) gives you consistency. If you walk into a pool room and grab a house cue you will be shooting with different equipment every time you play and you lose something when you do that.

Personally I like the 'feel' of some cues vs others. The LD stuff isn't a big deal because I usually don't use a lot of side spin and when I do its mostly on shots close to the pocket:thumbup:

I will say I own a OB1, OB2, 314'2 and about 10 solid maple shafts.

Poolhalljunkie
05-27-2011, 11:36 AM
[QUOTE=poolplayer2093;3031987]i think it's earl's tantrums that ruined his career. cuetec paid him for years to use their cues and that's the kind of stuff he spits about 'em.


Do some checking and find what he said about Brunswick and people wonder why they pulled their money out of men's pool

Pushout
05-27-2011, 11:42 AM
if you think the cue makes any difference at all... you can't play in the first place..

Not at all true!

softshot
05-27-2011, 12:46 PM
Not at all true!

you must sell cues

Pushout
05-27-2011, 02:11 PM
you must sell cues

Off and on, over the years but not as a profession, no. If that statement about cues and not being able to play were true, we'd all be playing with cuetechs and Meuccis. To me personally, that makes about as much sense as "it's not the arrow, it's the indian". On one our first trips back to NY after moving South, I ran into a good local player, not top pro speed by any means but good enough to win the NYS 9 Ball Championship twice against strong fields. If memory serves, he won the first with an Adam and the second with a Meucci. When I saw him on that trip he was playing with a Schon. He'd wanted one for years and never found the right cue/deal for him. He really liked that cue! I saw him again a year or so later and he was playing with a Pechaur. When I asked him why he said it was because he could do things with the Pechaur that he couldn't do with the Schon.
Near the end of his career Jim Rempe was asked what cue he would be playing with if he wasn't being paid to play with a Meucci. With no thought and no hesitation whatsoever, he said Southwest.
If it didn't make any difference why do we all play with different cues? Because we play with what we can pocket balls the best with and move the cue ball the best with. We play with what feels right to us, as individuals. I've played with my Dishaw for 17 years because I play better with it than the two Guyassys, a Murray Tucker, an Andy Gilbert, a Joss sneaky pete with a predator shaft and a Meucci with a black dot shaft. I played with all of these for some time and several others before them. I've made it my business to handle a LOT of cues over the years and they are not all the same and that includes a lot of production cues.
And, I can play a bit:p

softshot
05-27-2011, 02:23 PM
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If it didn't make any difference why do we all play with different cues? Because we play with what we can pocket balls the best with and move the cue ball the best with.


you've been drinking the cool aid if what you are saying is true then everyone who owns a Gina would be a world champion. but they are not.. many are just rich guys who can't hit a stop shot 4 out of 5 tries

there are no short cuts you get good at this by mastering your technique PERIOD

there is no other way..

technique trumps equipment EVERY SINGLE TIME..

you have been sucked into the marketing.. I bet you think McDonalds is health food just because they show a fresh tomato in the ad.

stop buying the hype..the magic cue in the color of money was a plot device NOT the secret of pool

TheNewSharkster
05-27-2011, 02:56 PM
you've been drinking the cool aid if what you are saying is true then everyone who owns a Gina would be a world champion. but they are not.. many are just rich guys who can't hit a stop shot 4 out of 5 tries

there are no short cuts you get good at this by mastering your technique PERIOD

there is no other way..

technique trumps equipment EVERY SINGLE TIME..

you have been sucked into the marketing.. I bet you think McDonalds is health food just because they show a fresh tomato in the ad.

stop buying the hype..the magic cue in the color of money was a plot device NOT the secret of pool


Does a high quality cue help your game? Simple yes or no will suffice

softshot
05-27-2011, 02:57 PM
Does a high quality cue help your game? Simple yes or no will suffice

no.. a terrible warped cue may harm it.. but almost anything else is fine

nsainfreek
05-27-2011, 03:07 PM
I don't think anyone is talking about a magic cue but equipment does matter. Sure, a highly skilled player would probably beat me no matter what cue he or I had but if u pit two skilled player against each other, one with a good cue and one with a leather tipped broomstick I would have to say equipment matters. Some people feel different ways about different cues and if it even gives them a mental edge then the equipment still made a difference.

I think a clearer example is a jump cue. If I have a jump cue and u don't, my equipment just gave me an edge. Sure u can jump with a full cue but most likely not as close or high as someone else could with a jump cue. This is just an example of how different cues can do different things. I truly believe that I get a lot more spin with my z 2 than my 314. Is this true or is it in my head? Does it matter as long as it helps me execute?

TheNewSharkster
05-27-2011, 03:12 PM
no.. a terrible warped cue may harm it.. but almost anything else is fine


Now this is getting silly. I don't think anyone tried to imply that a good cue will make you a good player, just that a good cue will help your game. I can tell you for a fact that I play better with a shaft with pro taper and a good tip. Get one of those cheapy $30 cues from sports authority and I it will hurt your game.

Think about this. A guitar player will pay thousands of dollars to get a guitar that sounds just a little better than the hundred dollar model. The thousand dollar guitar won't help him become a better musician but it will give him the ability to play better music. Same thing with pool.

What cue do you play with?

softshot
05-27-2011, 03:38 PM
What cue do you play with?

$500 McDermott AAA hard rock maple, pressed Irish Linen, pressed triangle tip (M64E Taos)http://www.shootersbilliards.com/mcdermott-pool-cue-taos-m64e-2005-cue-of-the-month.html

but as often as not I leave it at home and just play off the wall

and my ability does NOT change not even a little bit

Pushout
05-27-2011, 04:36 PM
you've been drinking the cool aid if what you are saying is true then everyone who owns a Gina would be a world champion. but they are not.. many are just rich guys who can't hit a stop shot 4 out of 5 tries

there are no short cuts you get good at this by mastering your technique PERIOD

there is no other way..

technique trumps equipment EVERY SINGLE TIME..

you have been sucked into the marketing.. I bet you think McDonalds is health food just because they show a fresh tomato in the ad.

stop buying the hype..the magic cue in the color of money was a plot device NOT the secret of pool

And I never said any of that. What I said is true. There are cues that do certain things better than others. I never said that cues take the place of technique. Who said owning a Gina would make you a world champion? I certainly didn't. You're the one that's being suckered. You're making these cracks but you know I'm right. You're just ticked off for some reason. Maybe you did buy into it once? I never have and I've been around pool since the early '60s. You wanna argue when you know you're wrong? I'm done.

Pushout
05-27-2011, 04:41 PM
and my ability does NOT change not even a little bit

Now you're talking nonsense. If you aren't playing with what you're used to your game will change, sometimes more, sometimes less, but it will and does change.

TheNewSharkster
05-27-2011, 04:44 PM
Now you're talking nonsense. If you aren't playing with what you're used to your game will change, sometimes more, sometimes less, but it will and does change.


At this point I don't think its worth it to respond to that guy. Its painfully obvious that some pool equipment does things better than others and to turn a blind eye is ignorant.

rugerfan
05-27-2011, 05:20 PM
I can tell you this, I have played with a OB-1 for some time now. I recently picked up a custom cue from a very well respected cue maker and it came with two pro tapered shafts, irory furrels and morri med tips. Cue plays lights out but my ball making percentage dropped quite a bit. My nephew has a OB-1 with the same joint (radial) as my new cue so I put his shaft on and everything is dropping again.

We get tuned into our equipment, regardless if it's a $100 or $10,000 cue, that is simple matter of fact. I'm talking about rattling a shot vs it dropping. I'm sure I can tune into whatever I spend time with but at this point, I'm not willing to break what's working...

softshot
05-27-2011, 06:17 PM
Now you're talking nonsense. If you aren't playing with what you're used to your game will change, sometimes more, sometimes less, but it will and does change.


I made this just for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFrQ8iSwZbU

an absolute piece of junk will make you play worse.. but nothing except practice can make you play better

softshot
05-27-2011, 09:30 PM
At this point I don't think its worth it to respond to that guy. Its painfully obvious that some pool equipment does things better than others and to turn a blind eye is ignorant.

what is going on between your ears is 10 times as important as what is sliding through your fingers..

the only ignorance here is thinking that someTHING can improve your technique... truth is only someONE can do that .. and that someone is you

it's like all the bangers who claim $25 chalk will make you miscue less...

realistically bad strokes cause 10,000% more miscues than "bad" chalk

in fact I have never seen a miscue caused by inferior chalk... ever..

there are TONS of reasons for buying cues.. status.. just to be different... feel preferences.. to flip them for a buck....

but they cannot improve your control of your bicep... EVER...

they cannot improve your shot visualization EVER..

They cannot replace practice.. EVER

all the bangers who attribute mystical playing properties to "special" cues can have the lemonade crush and the breaks..

unless you can prove a cue can auto correct from a bad line to a good one it's just hype and hustler BS

and the reason I am saying this is simple... I DON'T SELL CUES

softshot
05-27-2011, 10:14 PM
Is a cuetech better than a Balabuska?

is a Kia better than a Model A?

Rambow and Bushka pioneered the cuemaking craft...like Ford Pioneered car making

but EVERYONE builds better cues than they did because they stood on the shoulders of giants...

the only reason they are worth so much money is #1 they are rare.. and #2 if it was going to warp it would have done it decades ago...

do they play better than modern cues??? no

do they play worse than modern cues??? no

they are just wood nothing more nothing less..

and your ability to afford one has nothing to do with your skill at the game

conetip
05-27-2011, 10:15 PM
I made this just for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFrQ8iSwZbU

an absolute piece of junk will make you play worse.. but nothing except practice can make you play better

A good selection of cues.
I noticed your house cue could not perform.
But how do you correct for that cue?

It is amazing how changing a tip can have a big impact on the way a cue plays.

Shane may be using a Cuetech cue, but whit tip does he use?
Being a professional he has to make it perform.
Afterall it is his day job.

softshot
05-27-2011, 10:51 PM
A good selection of cues.
I noticed your house cue could not perform.
But how do you correct for that cue?

.

to be honest upon further review my technique suffered on those last 2 shots its harder than it looks to talk then shoot while filming ... Mad respect to forcefollow and mike page it is harder than it looks. especially in 1 take

but no amount of technique can save that cue... I only keep it around to teach my kids what to avoid LOL

PaulieB
05-29-2011, 01:16 AM
I've completely come around to your way of thinking.... especially since I see all the pros come in and take cues off the wall to shoot for the money.

paksat
05-29-2011, 05:13 AM
*wonders why all the pros don't just use sportcraft jump sticks"

While pros can certainly still play lights out with a stick off the wall, the cue they own is made to their dimensions for a damn good reason. The same reason that the cue that greyghost made for me was made to my dimensions.

I know you've played with a cue that has 70 percent of its weight in the butt. If you think that isn't going to change up your game, you're smoking that good stuff.

No ones going to argue that technique and practice cannot be substituted. But you're trying to say that equipment has nothing to do with the way a player plays. That's kind of silly.

TheNewSharkster
05-31-2011, 09:37 AM
what is going on between your ears is 10 times as important as what is sliding through your fingers..

the only ignorance here is thinking that someTHING can improve your technique... truth is only someONE can do that .. and that someone is you

it's like all the bangers who claim $25 chalk will make you miscue less...

realistically bad strokes cause 10,000% more miscues than "bad" chalk

in fact I have never seen a miscue caused by inferior chalk... ever..

there are TONS of reasons for buying cues.. status.. just to be different... feel preferences.. to flip them for a buck....

but they cannot improve your control of your bicep... EVER...

they cannot improve your shot visualization EVER..

They cannot replace practice.. EVER

all the bangers who attribute mystical playing properties to "special" cues can have the lemonade crush and the breaks..

unless you can prove a cue can auto correct from a bad line to a good one it's just hype and hustler BS

and the reason I am saying this is simple... I DON'T SELL CUES



I really don't get you. Did I or anyone else try to dispute your points. I am all for practice but you are claiming that the cue makes no difference at all. In my first post in this tread I said the advantage to having your own cue is consistency.

Dig down farther and you find more though. Why don't snooker players use a pool cue? We have some very basic reasons and the same reasons can be applied to the game of pool and using your own cue vs the cue on the wall.

I get the feeling that you are trying to drive home the point that practice is the only way to improve. I agree with that. A player who has never played using a $1000 custom is not going to get any advantage. But give that same stick to a accomplished player and I promise you he will make more/better shots than he would with a old house cue.

Winston846
05-31-2011, 10:09 AM
Don't know if it is true or not but I believe Allison says her Cuetec is right out of the box and anyone can buy one just like hers.

I've also heard that anyone can buy the cue she plays with. I'm sure she has it customized to her specs (weight, balance point, shaft diameter, etc.), though.

And I've heard the R360 shaft plays pretty good, too.

justadub
05-31-2011, 10:14 AM
Geez, there is so much hate for cuetec on here. At times, I participated in looking down my nose at them.

A buddy of mine plays with one so I've picked it up & hit some (a lot) of balls with it just to see what all the fuss is about. The reality is...AFTER HITTING BALLS WITH ONE...I don't understand why cuetec deserves such hate. They aren't all that bad.

Cuetec serves a specific role & satisfies a need for cheap, decent playing cues. Not everyone can swing a TS, Bender, Schon, Zinzola.....

Besides, they sponsor some of the best players in the game and sponsor pool on ESPN, so thumbs up from me on that.

Runaway best post in the thread. :thumbup:

elvicash
05-31-2011, 10:40 AM
The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

nice start

and in the end you are right back where you started..

I hated that ending

softshot
05-31-2011, 11:20 AM
. But give that same stick to a accomplished player and I promise you he will make more/better shots than he would with a old house cue.

go back and watch the video I posted.. then come explain how a Gina would have made that first stop shot more perfect than my McDermott did.

cues don't make shots players do

master_cueist
05-31-2011, 11:26 AM
this is pure hearsay but i heard that shanes cuetech is off the shelf but then he had a couple things done to it like having it altered like someone said to fit his old shaft and at the same time i heard he has been experimenting with i believe a 314.< all pure hearsay> but beyond shane and allison respectably pretty much the top male and female players out there right now...many top amateurs use cuetech also...for anybody who knows her bonnie plowman won all of her canadian championships with what she said is just a $30 cuetech (i know its a cuetech just not sure about the price, she might be full of it lol) in fact she never used anything else until her now ex was given a cue made just for her by schon and she didnt like it so bonnie started using it. like everybody else has said its the player not so much the gear. what does it really matter what the butt is like if the shaft is perfect for you? all you need is a tip you like, and the ability to hit where your aiming right? most of pool from the cues part of it only really matters from the ferrule up as long as the rest of the cue is structurally sound...the rest is up to the player.

TheNewSharkster
05-31-2011, 11:31 AM
go back and watch the video I posted.. then come explain how a Gina would have made that first stop shot more perfect than my McDermott did.

cues don't make shots players do



Can you really tell me with a straight face that a house cue with a cracked ferrul and mushroomed tip is going to be able to draw the cue ball with the same accuracy of a well groomed cue?

Cuemaster98
05-31-2011, 11:37 AM
I buy and sell cues for over a decade now and must have gone through hundreds of playing cues myself from production to custom cues and high end custom cues. I've always search for that holy grail of cue and I think I've found 2 cues to date that have met my criteria and will try to pass them down to my sons (If they ever play pool).

As a pool player, we always seem to try to find any edge that will help improve our game but there's nothing more important than confident in our ability to execute. I believe finding the right cue can really help boost your confident and reinforce your skills during play. I've researched into the type of tips that played best for me and have been using it for over 5 years now although I'm always constantly trying new tips on the market to ensure that what I play with is still the best.

My holy grail of cue is a custom cue from Joel Weinstock, 2nd is a Pre-date SW/kersenbrock?? and literally a handful of other top cues that I've played with that are in my top ten list. (Schon, Bender, McDaniel, Pre-date SW, Mcworter, Gus - ivory joint, mike gulyassy 2006 - 1of1, Tascarella conversion, etc). Over the years, I realized there lots of great playing cues in the market and that the cue's playability is subjective to each players experience and playing style. What I believe is my holy grail of cue is probably not someone else cup of tea.

But, I can say with a certainty from my own experience that cue does make a big difference in your game. Funny enough, some cues would play better in one environment vs other.

When you find the right cue you'll know because when you play or gamble, you can literally feel the confident in each shot. If you have had a chance to play with different cues from production to custom you'll know what I mean. Not to say that only expensive cue plays good, I've ran across cheaper cue like "McDermott, Falcon, Schon,etc" that almost play as well as some of the big name cue but you'll have to be lucky and know what you're looking in the cue.

When I gamble or play in tournament, I would play with my Joel Weinstock cue (this cue have taken down a lot of great players include the best in world). The Pre-Date SW/Kersenbrock that I just pick up a few month ago would be used more for gambling....this cue has a long history of used in money game dating back to the early 80's in Chicago. Feel like the cue does have "mystical power" that it acquire over the many battles that it seen through it use and the battle scars on the cue definitely shows it.

Just a week ago at my Friday tournament, I was playing a local player for cheap. In the first 2 sets I lost and I was playing with one of my CM98 full splice sneeky. My sneeky full splice cue plays really good but it was new and I didn't play my speed with it. After losing the 2 sets, I when back home and grabbed my SW/Ker and ended up beating the guy 6 sets.

When I was playing with my SW, the shot just seem easier and my rhythm jelled with the cue, the cue got me in stroke in my first rack..literally. I guess my main point is that there is a always a better playing cue out there for you. If you want to find that edge and confident...find a better playing cue. If you find it, stick with it. I know a player who been playing with his old faithful for well over 30 years. Once you play that long with a cue....the other cues well probably won't matter much as you've decided on your holy grail of cue.

Regards,
Duc.




I really don't get you. Did I or anyone else try to dispute your points. I am all for practice but you are claiming that the cue makes no difference at all. In my first post in this tread I said the advantage to having your own cue is consistency.

Dig down farther and you find more though. Why don't snooker players use a pool cue? We have some very basic reasons and the same reasons can be applied to the game of pool and using your own cue vs the cue on the wall.

I get the feeling that you are trying to drive home the point that practice is the only way to improve. I agree with that. A player who has never played using a $1000 custom is not going to get any advantage. But give that same stick to a accomplished player and I promise you he will make more/better shots than he would with a old house cue.

TheNewSharkster
05-31-2011, 11:47 AM
I buy and sell cues for over a decade now and must have gone through hundreds of playing cues myself from production to custom cues and high end custom cues. I've always search for that holy grail of cue and I think I've found 2 cues to date that have met my criteria and will try to pass them down to my sons (If they ever play pool).

As a pool player, we always seem to try to find any edge that will help improve our game but there's nothing more important than confident in our ability to execute. I believe finding the right cue help really help boost your confident and reinforce our skills during play. I've researched into the type of tips that played best for me and have been using it for over 5 years now although I'm always constantly trying new tips on the market to ensure that what I play with is still the best.

My holy grail of cue is a custom cue from Joel Weinstock, 2nd is a Pre-date SW/kersenbrock?? and literally a handful of other top cues that I've played with that are in my top ten list. (Schon, Bender, McDaniel, Pre-date SW, Mcworter, Gus - ivory joint, mike gulyassy 2006 - 1of1, Tascarella conversion, etc). Over the years, I realized there lots of great playing cues in the market and that the cue's playability is subjective to each players experience and playing style. What I believe is my holy grail of cue is probably not someone else cup of tea.

But, I can say with a certainty from my own experience that cue does make a big difference in your game. Funny enough, some cues would play better in one environment vs other.

When you find the right cue you'll know because when you play or gamble, you can literally feel the confident in each shot. If you have had a chance to play with different cues from production to custom you'll know what I mean. Not to say that only expensive cue plays good, I've ran across cheaper cue like "McDermott, Falcon, Schon,etc" that almost as well as some of the big name cue but you'll have to be lucky and know what you're looking in the cue.

When I gamble or play in tournament, I would play with my Joel Weinstock cue (this cue have taken down a lot of great players include the best in world). The Pre-Date SW/Kersenbrock that I just pick up a few month ago would be used more for gambling....this cue has a long history of used in money game dating dating back to the early 80's in Chicago. Feel like the cue does have "mystical power" that it acquire over the many battles that it seen through it use and the battle scars on the cue definitely shows it.

Just a week ago at my Friday tournament, I was playing a local player for cheap. In the first 2 sets I lost and I was playing with one of my CM98 full splice sneeky. My sneeky full splice cue plays really good but it was new and I didn't play my speed with it. After losing the 2 sets, I when back home and grabbed my SW/Ker and ended up beating the guy 6 sets.

When I was playing with my SW, the shot just seem easier and my rhythm jelled with the cue, the cue got me in stroke in my first rack..literally. I guess my main point is that there is a always a better playing cue out there for you. If you want to find that edge and confident...find a better playing cue. If you find it, stick with it. I know a player who been playing with his old faithful for well over 30 years. Once you play that long with a cue....the other cues well probably won't matter much as you've decided on your holy grail of cue.

Regards,
Duc.



Nice post!

Jimbojim
05-31-2011, 12:03 PM
Its all a matter of getting used to something regardless of what it is.

Pool cues are instruments used for a precise task and we all get used to our own tools. I liked that guitar reference as I have been playing guitar for almost 15 years. I have 2 electrics and they both cost 2000-3000(I tried them before buying them) brand new. Would I play with el-cheapo 200$ guitar? Never in a hundred years unless it was from a good piece of wood and was well assembled...which never happens with the 200$ price mark. Doesn't always mean the 2K$ guitars are well assembled everytime but it is more often than not.

I always have a tendency to believe that those who say that they can play just as well with a high-deflection shaft or a low deflection shaft is either:

1. They haven't played enough with each one of them to be used to one
2. Their pool knowledge is limited because they can't differentiate the intricacies of a specific tool

Mt. Cheverest
05-31-2011, 12:12 PM
I made this just for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFrQ8iSwZbU

an absolute piece of junk will make you play worse.. but nothing except practice can make you play better

Hmm...so this is your test...

McDermott
McDermott
Piece of Crap
Piece of Crap

And you can hit a stop shot with 3/4
So now the cue doesn't matter. CLEARLY.

Ok.

Strike First
05-31-2011, 12:25 PM
pretty sure softshot is just trolling everyone

ShootingRazbone
06-01-2011, 02:42 PM
Don't mean to open the debate about technology v. old school but I'm not sure I understand this point you are making about LD shafts. I get how using less english may translate into making more balls for you but how does an LD shaft allow you to use less english than an old school shaft with an ivory ferrule? I would think the LD shaft, if anything, would allow you to use more english.

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I heard the same thing Chris DLG did, that Shane's Cuetec was pretty much off the rack from the company, or at least, whatever they made for him was going to become available. But my understanding about when he went to Cuetec was that he wasn't playing with a "one-off".

What I meant was with my old Schon shaft hitting a shot needing extreme inside english I may miss that shot 3 out of 5 times. With the LD shaft I get the same result on the cueball but using less inside english. Essentially hitting the same shot with the same results but just using less english...meaning I miss less. I agree with you, I can get crazy english with the LD shaft but I don't really need it on most occasions.

RDeca
06-02-2011, 10:58 AM
Did Earl say Cuetec ruined hi career? Shane seems to be shooting just fine with it.
I would also use Cuetec if they paid me.

SVB probably gets paid just as much from cuetec than he makes in a year in tourney winnings...hed be stupid not to take the money and use that cue.
even though everybody knows they feel horrible. they are still usable.

I will also add that the cue does make the player better and anyone that says it doesnt if full of themselves, everybody knows that when your 100% comfortable and confident in your equipment your gonna play better..... so yes equipment matters. it matters because humans arent mindless machines. say a player plays with a hand me down cutec plays for a year,,,,buys a new cue for 4 or 5 hundred dolllars, and makes the commitment to play for 10 or 20 hrs a week. well a big part of that committment mentally was buying the cue for 5oo dollars. The cue played a big part in the evolution of his pool game

another (generic)example, if i get a shaft retipped say with elkmaster and im used to a lepro its gonna effect my game, or if i get a tip put on with a soft spot in it, its gonna effect my game. Yur playing with a barrowed cue your not familliar with it will effect your game, all because your not comfortable with it.

YES the cue matters

DEXTER
06-24-2011, 07:05 PM
You spent 500 dollars for a McDermott.....