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RichLec
05-29-2011, 07:51 PM
Just wanted to say that I love 9 ball. During some practice today I broke and 3 balls + the 9 ball fell.. It felt great, next rack 2 balls on the break and a 1 9 combo and another rack done.. I just feel better shooting 9 I attribute it to there being a "order" vs 8 ball where there is just chaos on the table with 15 balls!!!!

Again I love 9 ball

Rich

Mike_S
05-29-2011, 08:06 PM
9 ball is always a good time.

TheConArtist
05-29-2011, 08:39 PM
The only thing i like about 9 ball is breaking... Last wednesday at leagues 3 out of my 4 games i had easy combos at the 9 ball, really dont like to win that way but no other choice hehehe.

Winston846
05-29-2011, 11:03 PM
Just wanted to say that I love 9 ball. During some practice today I broke and 3 balls + the 9 ball fell.. It felt great, next rack 2 balls on the break and a 1 9 combo and another rack done.. I just feel better shooting 9 I attribute it to there being a "order" vs 8 ball where there is just chaos on the table with 15 balls!!!!

Again I love 9 ball

Rich

8-ball is not chaos, just a different type of game. 9-ball is a rotation game, so you always know the ball you're going to shoot next. 8-ball is a pattern game, where YOU have to decide the order you're going to shoot the balls in and play the table accordingly.

cesarmorales
05-30-2011, 02:04 AM
I actually like to practice 8 ball when I go to a new poolroom. For one, have have to make alot of the easy shots which is what most pros will tell you. You have to make all of the easy shots and make all of your shots easy.

Plus if there are any hustlers in the room watching you play it throws them off. First, they figure you are some sort of idiot for playing 8 ball by yourself, then they will ask you to play nine ball, ten ball, or one pocket and they have no idea of your true speed at those games.

Masayoshi
05-30-2011, 03:27 AM
I love the kicking aspect of 9-ball. Its the only major game (10-ball included) where, to play at a high level, you have to learn many different types of kicks including multiple rails, hold up english, high speed, curve, etc. and control the cue ball at the same time.

hang-the-9
05-30-2011, 07:03 AM
Just wanted to say that I love 9 ball. During some practice today I broke and 3 balls + the 9 ball fell.. It felt great, next rack 2 balls on the break and a 1 9 combo and another rack done.. I just feel better shooting 9 I attribute it to there being a "order" vs 8 ball where there is just chaos on the table with 15 balls!!!!

Again I love 9 ball

Rich

This is actually the part about 9-ball I don't like. I'd rather they have either 9 no count on the break, or at least not in the lower pockets. Would rather play 10-ball with no "golden break" rule. What you are saying it feels great to win without actually accomplishing anything. Like getting an A by cheating on a test.

RichLec
05-30-2011, 08:27 AM
This is actually the part about 9-ball I don't like. I'd rather they have either 9 no count on the break, or at least not in the lower pockets. Would rather play 10-ball with no "golden break" rule. What you are saying it feels great to win without actually accomplishing anything. Like getting an A by cheating on a test.

I hear what you are saying.. also the nine went into one of the top corner pockets, i didnt even realize it went in till I went looking for the one, i usually look for the one and then the 9 to see what kind of route needs to be taken to get to it, or if there is a nice easy combo to get out of a sticky break..

I have not played 10 ball, mainly because I dont know the exact rules and no one else in my circle plays it.

Rich

cigardave
05-30-2011, 08:30 AM
I have not played 10 ball, mainly because I dont know the exact rules and no one else in my circle plays it.

Rich
Most play it just like 9-ball Texas Express... except there's 10 balls instead of 9. Simple.

jason
05-30-2011, 08:34 AM
This is actually the part about 9-ball I don't like. I'd rather they have either 9 no count on the break, or at least not in the lower pockets. Would rather play 10-ball with no "golden break" rule. What you are saying it feels great to win without actually accomplishing anything. Like getting an A by cheating on a test.

I agree. I think the best part about pool is the strategy and creativity. One pocket and eight ball both support this. Nineball has far fewer options. There is almost always a "correct" shot. I also don't like the fact that you can win any game on the break. I think this is not in the spirit of any cueing game, but it is an exciting variable in competition.

I have made the eight ball on the break five times in one night. I have also went months without ever making it too. I would rather put up a five pack by running out then to snap the 8 or 9 that many times. So much more satisfying IMO.

peteWazzup
05-30-2011, 08:38 AM
Most play it just like 9-ball Texas Express... except there's 10 balls instead of 9. Simple.

Happy Memorial Day. But this fact, which is true btw, burns me. Why play nine ball with ten balls on the table?

Pushout
05-30-2011, 08:59 AM
Happy Memorial Day. But this fact, which is true btw, burns me. Why play nine ball with ten balls on the table?

Because played by the WPA rules, with possible modifications like on Tony Robles's tour, it's a much, much better game. With the tour modifications a lot and I mean a lot of the luck is taken out of the game.
This is not 9 ball with 10 balls, though a lot of people would like to think so.
I no longer have much interest in playing 9 ball and I've been playing pool a long time.

Edit: I should have added, on the tour you must either call a shot or a safety. A missed called shot gives the opponent the option to have the shooter shoot again. A called safety, incoming player must shoot from where the cue ball lies.

dukeboy1977
05-30-2011, 09:12 AM
I'm sure some of you feel the same. Though I enjoy playing 9 ball because it's a faster game, I HATE the fact there are combos on the nine! All you ever hear about, and it's been mentioned in this thread a few times already, is people looking for an "easy combo on the nine". That's a losers way to win IMO. Figure it like this: THERE ARE 9 BALLS ON THE TABLE, so just HOW BAD do you have to play to always be 'looking for a quick win'? C'mon now, this game is fast enough without having to worry about someone slamming balls around, the 9 ball falling, and the better player losing due to a technicality in the rules. The rules for this game really need to be redone IMO...Matches on TV will not suffer a loss of viewers due to the change, if anything it might gain some viewers who wish to see the more skill it would take to constantly win without early 9 ball combos. Personally, I would rather watch the pros have to shoot all 9 balls in than expect a good match and have it be ruined by combos the whole time. 9 ball is a good game without what I consider to be crap. The other rules are fine, I just don't like the combos. At least make it so the 5 ball has to be down before a combo on the 9 is allowed? These are ways I enjoy playing this game and I set these rules before I play every chance I get. I have turned down many games where these rules weren't at least discussed before-hand but have played normally against lesser players so they feel they have a better chance of winning. Any thoughts on this by you guys/girls?

peteWazzup
05-30-2011, 11:14 AM
Because played by the WPA rules, with possible modifications like on Tony Robles's tour, it's a much, much better game. With the tour modifications a lot and I mean a lot of the luck is taken out of the game.
This is not 9 ball with 10 balls, though a lot of people would like to think so.
I no longer have much interest in playing 9 ball and I've been playing pool a long time.

Edit: I should have added, on the tour you must either call a shot or a safety. A missed called shot gives the opponent the option to have the shooter shoot again. A called safety, incoming player must shoot from where the cue ball lies.

But this is what I am saying. Ten ball should be played by the rules with call shot etc. Why play it with nine ball rules as the post that I quoted mentioned?

Winston846
05-30-2011, 11:24 AM
I agree. I think the best part about pool is the strategy and creativity. One pocket and eight ball both support this. Nineball has far fewer options. There is almost always a "correct" shot. I also don't like the fact that you can win any game on the break. I think this is not in the spirit of any cueing game, but it is an exciting variable in competition.

TAP TAP TAP

14.1 also calls for strategy, creativity and making the "correct" shot. I like to play chess, not craps. To me, Texas Express 9-ball is exactly that - a crap shoot.

DrGonzo
05-30-2011, 03:21 PM
TAP TAP TAP

14.1 also calls for strategy, creativity and making the "correct" shot. I like to play chess, not craps. To me, Texas Express 9-ball is exactly that - a crap shoot.

Try shooting dice against SVB or Earl. Then try playing races to 7 9-ball against them. Let me know if the results are the same...

Winston846
05-30-2011, 04:36 PM
Try shooting dice against SVB or Earl. Then try playing races to 7 9-ball against them. Let me know if the results are the same...

Duh... Obviously the top pros play the game at a different level.

They also don't send the 9 flying around the table every shot, either.

hang-the-9
05-30-2011, 06:48 PM
Happy Memorial Day. But this fact, which is true btw, burns me. Why play nine ball with ten balls on the table?

With 10 ball a few things end up happening. There is a lesser chance of a ball going in, and also a lesser chance of more than 2 going in (at a non-top pro level I'm saying. We all know there are a few pros that can make 10 ball seem like 7 ball), and then you have tougher lay-outs to go through. Plus most of the time when people play 10-ball it's easier to agree to 10 on the break gets spotted since it's a new game to most and there is no pre-conceved thoughts like in 9 ball.

Cameron Smith
05-30-2011, 07:38 PM
Try shooting dice against SVB or Earl. Then try playing races to 7 9-ball against them. Let me know if the results are the same...

They will destroy the majority of Amateur players in 9 ball almost 100% of the time. BUT it is also true that A players have managed to win 9 ball matches against top players on occassion. I even know of a B level player that beat Jeanette Lee some years back. The fact is, lower level players have a better chance of winning in 9 ball than any other game.

Now, in 14.1 odds of an amateur beating John Schmidt are essentially nil. Even if a good player might put up a 50 ball run, but chances are it will be followed by a few 10 and 15 ball runs which is more than enough of an opportunity for John to finish the match.

DrGonzo
05-30-2011, 09:46 PM
I'm not saying there isn't some degree of luck involved in 9-ball. There's an amount of luck in Texas Hold 'em too, but I would still be on Phil Ivey in every situation. Just because Joe Schmoe beats him in one hand doesn't mean there's a flaw in the game.

The facts are, that certain people have dedicated their lives to these games, and just because other games may be more "pure," doesn't mean there is an inherent flaw in the game, just the amateurs that play it.

In the long run, skill trumps luck every time. The more I practice, the luckier I get...

Pushout
05-31-2011, 06:36 AM
But this is what I am saying. Ten ball should be played by the rules with call shot etc. Why play it with nine ball rules as the post that I quoted mentioned?

Because for a lot of people playing with those rules vs Texas Express is just too difficult. Also, a lot of people who have never played 10 ball correctly can't stand that the rules take the so-called two-way shot out of the game.
Believe it or not, a prominent forum member has said that if they take the two-way shot out of the game, he will no longer support tournaments even as a spectator.
I still go to tournaments to watch and I hate the current 9 ball rules and have since the late '70s. Look at the attention the Country Calvin tournament has gotten, they are playing the old two-foul push out rules. I've said before, if you make the game so that you have to think more, ie: more difficult, a lot of people will stop playing rotation games. {9 ball} Push out 9 ball takes a lot more thinking than Texas Express and so does 10 ball played with the WPA rules combined with Predator Tour rules.

Black-Balled
05-31-2011, 06:42 AM
I love the kicking aspect of 9-ball. Its the only major game (10-ball included) where, to play at a high level, you have to learn many different types of kicks including multiple rails, hold up english, high speed, curve, etc. and control the cue ball at the same time.

Which is why pushout rules is be silly!

Winston846
05-31-2011, 07:16 AM
They will destroy the majority of Amateur players in 9 ball almost 100% of the time. BUT it is also true that A players have managed to win 9 ball matches against top players on occassion. I even know of a B level player that beat Jeanette Lee some years back. The fact is, lower level players have a better chance of winning in 9 ball than any other game.

Now, in 14.1 odds of an amateur beating John Schmidt are essentially nil. Even if a good player might put up a 50 ball run, but chances are it will be followed by a few 10 and 15 ball runs which is more than enough of an opportunity for John to finish the match.

I can attest to this personally. I once jumped out to a 42-0 lead on Dave Daya (a top 14.1 player) and didn't even come close to winning the game.

Black-Balled
05-31-2011, 08:10 AM
Just wanted to say that I love 9 ball. During some practice today I broke and 3 balls + the 9 ball fell.. It felt great, next rack 2 balls on the break and a 1 9 combo and another rack done..

I just feel better ...Again I love 9 ball

Rich
And it it even better when that happens in a ring game!

Koop
05-31-2011, 09:41 AM
I'm sure some of you feel the same. Though I enjoy playing 9 ball because it's a faster game, I HATE the fact there are combos on the nine! All you ever hear about, and it's been mentioned in this thread a few times already, is people looking for an "easy combo on the nine". That's a losers way to win IMO. Figure it like this: THERE ARE 9 BALLS ON THE TABLE, so just HOW BAD do you have to play to always be 'looking for a quick win'? C'mon now, this game is fast enough without having to worry about someone slamming balls around, the 9 ball falling, and the better player losing due to a technicality in the rules. The rules for this game really need to be redone IMO...Matches on TV will not suffer a loss of viewers due to the change, if anything it might gain some viewers who wish to see the more skill it would take to constantly win without early 9 ball combos. Personally, I would rather watch the pros have to shoot all 9 balls in than expect a good match and have it be ruined by combos the whole time. 9 ball is a good game without what I consider to be crap. The other rules are fine, I just don't like the combos. At least make it so the 5 ball has to be down before a combo on the 9 is allowed? These are ways I enjoy playing this game and I set these rules before I play every chance I get. I have turned down many games where these rules weren't at least discussed before-hand but have played normally against lesser players so they feel they have a better chance of winning. Any thoughts on this by you guys/girls?

True, but...I'd play that guy any day of the week. How often do you think you'd lose to an opponent who is constantly trying to ride the 9? My guess is not too often if you're the better player.

Pushout
05-31-2011, 02:39 PM
Which is why pushout rules is be silly!

Then you won't have a problem with calling a shot or a safety. The two-way shot is, by far, the worst thing about TE rules.

Cuebacca
05-31-2011, 02:53 PM
But this is what I am saying. Ten ball should be played by the rules with call shot etc. Why play it with nine ball rules as the post that I quoted mentioned?

10 ball is not about the rules; it's about the rack.

http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=4909

Black-Balled
06-01-2011, 08:56 AM
Then you won't have a problem with calling a shot or a safety. The two-way shot is, by far, the worst thing about TE rules.


That is fine...I have no problem telling you that I plan on banking this ball at that hole and if it goes in, I'm running out, but if I miss you are gonna have a turn and not like it.

Doesn't look good for you either way!;)

Pushout
06-01-2011, 11:17 AM
That is fine...I have no problem telling you that I plan on banking this ball at that hole and if it goes in, I'm running out, but if I miss you are gonna have a turn and not like it.

Doesn't look good for you either way!;)

Not with the Predator Tour rules. That's the whole point. And, I've been told I kick very well so you might not like it, that's not the point. Doing away with the so called two-way shot is the point.

Black-Balled
06-01-2011, 12:35 PM
Not with the Predator Tour rules. That's the whole point. And, I've been told I kick very well so you might not like it, that's not the point. Doing away with the so called two-way shot is the point.

But why do away with the 2-way? It is used in many other games without question...or push option.