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Camelot
06-03-2011, 02:19 AM
What do you think about this situation......

A player comes to the pool room to practice, and uses the standard white hole reinforcements. He spends several hours practicing, and leaves the normal white line from the shots he has been hitting, and has left the usual chalk marks near the where the CB is struck.

The room owner says that these hole reinforcements should only be used on your home table. Also that if the player is following through with his shot and rubbing against the cloth, it will eventually leave a divot where the cueball will roll off.

Therefore practice like this is unwanted.

Just wondering what you think about this situation.

cowboyup200560
06-03-2011, 02:40 AM
if I were the room owner I think i would be most concerned with the sticky residue from the hole protectors. I always kinda wondered how the ones ppl use for racking might affect the way the balls roll. esp in a slow game like 14.1 or one pocket.

CarlB
06-03-2011, 03:01 AM
I think it is the room owners perogative what foriegn objects he allows put on the tables for practice. Plain and simple.

Gotta respect the rooms.

Carl

Tony_in_MD
06-03-2011, 03:08 AM
Simple answer, he who owns the room, makes the rules.

I think it is the room owners perogative what foriegn objects he allows put on the tables for practice. Plain and simple.

Gotta respect the rooms.

Carl

Run the Century
06-03-2011, 06:14 AM
And your right it will leave a line if you do it a lot. One solution I have found is taking blue painters tape and putting it on the line you are practicing - I have been doing this for years - no adverse affects.

bud green
06-03-2011, 06:39 AM
There is a local player who has been kicked out of two pool halls for doing this...day after day setting up, and mostly missing, the same couple of shots.

The little holes and wear marks in the cloth that result from this make the tables look terrible after awhile.

Johnnyt
06-03-2011, 06:47 AM
I never see any white marks on the cloth after I practice with them. I'm probably not practicing long enough. Joe Tuckers drills make me want to quit too soon lol. Johnnyt

bud green
06-03-2011, 06:57 AM
Probably because you can play Johnny...this guy was a weak C player who had the back of his cue elevated all crazy and just hit down on the ball every stroke.

brandoncook26
06-03-2011, 07:19 AM
The white marks they're talking about is a line on the table that follows the path of the cueball, similar to the line that shows from breaking in the same spot.

I use the hole reinforcements at home when I practice. If I owned a poolroom, I wouldn't allow anyone to use them either. It isn't a big deal if I mark up my table because 1. I own it and 2. I am the only one using it. If it were equipment I was charging to play on, I would want it to look nice as long as possible.

The guy mentioned above who got kicked out of two rooms for doing this sounds like an ass. Get a clue the first time and respect peoples property. I'm sure they didn't kick him out on the first offense, which means he deliberately went against their wishes.

Ratta
06-03-2011, 07:23 AM
And your right it will leave a line if you do it a lot. One solution I have found is taking blue painters tape and putting it on the line you are practicing - I have been doing this for years - no adverse affects.

hm-

what are *blue painters tape* ?

thx in advance,
Ingo

dr9ball
06-03-2011, 07:26 AM
I wonder if these avid practice sessions do more damage to the table than the masses of people who scoop the ball, spill beer on the table and sit on the rails.

I wonder if this pool room owner kicks them out too. I doubt it as they are good for business.

I have complained to the staff at some local pool rooms about people sitting on the rails and they could care less. This is also probably the reason the rails and cloth are rarely changed.

The very best room's I've played in were owned by someone who enjoys the game and is also a competent player.

Scott Lee
06-03-2011, 10:20 AM
cowboyup200560...The hole reinforcements do not leave any "sticky residue" on the cloth. We have been using them for decades.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

if I were the room owner I think i would be most concerned with the sticky residue from the hole protectors.

DogsPlayingPool
06-03-2011, 10:25 AM
hm-

what are *blue painters tape* ?

thx in advance,
Ingo

Painters tape can be found in the paint department at any hardware store. It is used to mask off areas your don't want painted. It is a low adhesive tape and therefore doesn't leave a residue. It is usually blue.

broken
06-03-2011, 10:29 AM
Is it better to use the chalk/spit method? I would think that's worse for the table.

FWIW, I've never noticed any residue with the "donuts"

hapns
06-03-2011, 10:32 AM
Totally up to the discretion of the owner.

Personally, I wouldn't want someone creating burn spots on my cloth.

Vahmurka
06-03-2011, 10:59 AM
dr9ball, rep for your post!
The initial way I've been taught to mark the table for drills was make a circle with a chalk cube. Good as long as there is nothing around. Not only this adds more chalk residue to the cloth but also could rip cloth fibers in the end. So I used to use hole reinforcements and find this way much better and "cloth-saving". Capelle wouldn't have given bad recommendations, or?
But the best method to mark balls spots for drills was with a pen or sharpie. The black dot is so small that it is hardly visible by those unaware about its presence and doesn't influence their game.

As for chalk marks left by a good follow-through (particularly draw shots) it all can be erased if room owner does cleaning regularly. I understand it is easier to forbid clients doing something than do something yourself. I recall one room where one of the counter guys (don't know if there is a proper word for staff members who give the balls and keep an eye on the room and visitors) was jumping out of his pants to keep "order" so much that he made me put away a tiny piece of paper (!) I was using as a target while practicing position play.

I don't see anything wrong in practice, either with hole reinforcements or not. Like I said, even without them follow-through on draw shots will leave some burnt marks. Of course a player should change sides of the table he is shooting at in order to show he takes care of that too.

And I can't understand why practice with painters tape. It is not the same surface as cloth, totally different friction. Maybe you just put it along the follow-through path, then it is partly understandable.

Tommy-D
06-03-2011, 11:22 AM
> I've been kicked out of a room for practicing this same way. In my case,I missed a shot the day before in a tournament that lead directly to a loss. I went to the poolroom and set the shot up,using the reinforcements. I shot the same shot 70-80 times and here he comes.

Now keep in mind that he was *****ing about the same white spot on the cloth,but had no reason to really ***** here because the white spot was indistinguishable from the other 800 white spots on the 2 yr old horse-blanket cloth.

Also keep in mind this is the same guy that kicked me out for using blue chalk on gold cloth,breaking too hard,and jumping balls.

I can totally understand a room owner complaining about this when the cloth is week old Simonis,or another high-grade cloth,really I can.

However,I cannot see how the subject at hand is ANY worse than people that want to use a phenolic-tipped jump cue for every possible jump including shaft jumps,gouge the cloth with phenolic equipped break cues,etc.

If I was practicing in a room with good equipment,spending my money to play and improve,I'd be pretty offended if someone told me to stop doing what I was doing to try and semi-master a particular shot.

Even the first shot in the Kinister workout will cause the same white line if shot enough times,and all this shot is is a 4 foot advanced stop shot. Do persnickety owners kick people out for that?

No offense intended,but seems pretty nitty compared to letting people sit on rails and not barring them for LIFE for spilling beer on fresh Simonis. Tommy D.

Majic
06-03-2011, 11:36 AM
What do you think about this situation......

A player comes to the pool room to practice, and uses the standard white hole reinforcements. He spends several hours practicing, and leaves the normal white line from the shots he has been hitting, and has left the usual chalk marks near the where the CB is struck.

The room owner says that these hole reinforcements should only be used on your home table. Also that if the player is following through with his shot and rubbing against the cloth, it will eventually leave a divot where the cueball will roll off.

Therefore practice like this is unwanted.

Just wondering what you think about this situation.

He is the owner...respect his wishes.

btoneill
06-03-2011, 12:25 PM
I'll say I have never had residue from the white donuts either. I have from time to time created the "burn" mark lines on my table, but that is mainly when I'm doing stop shot drills working up to full table length stop shots.

pulzcul
06-03-2011, 06:06 PM
With all due respect to room owners. I know you have a lot of money invested in the equipment. But you rent them to customers to play pool on. Every shot marks the cloth, every time. So I come in, grab some balls and practice a 9ball break for 4 hrs. If there playing 9 ball on that table theres a line from both sides already there. If it was just recovered are you gonna ask me not to practice my break on that table? Same goes for practicing any shot over and over. Lets say I come into your room alot and spend a bunch of money playing in leagues and tournaments but I like to practice specific drills to keep sharp? Your not really gonna kick me out for wearing out the cloth? Isn't that why the doors are open?

GARY LLOYD
06-05-2011, 03:37 AM
Camelot,

If you and some of the other guys like to practice drills, Pro Book shots, Kinister drills, etc. etc. Maybe try talking with the house man and seeing if he would be open to having a table or two dedicated to practice shots and drills. This way only one or two tables would have the pattern wear from the structured practice routines.

If I were set up with a room this what I would do for the hard core practice players. As the tables wore in with the patterns of hundreds of practice shots I would market them as such... An unknowing player casually ask about the lines on the table... I would tell them those are the practice tables for the players who have structured practice routines as repetitive practice will wear patterns into the cloth.

You may also have to settle for the cloth being more worn on these tables or offer to pay a little extra as they will need to be done more often to keep them up with the non practice tables.

as a room owner I would love to see 5 or 6 young players hitting shots, shooting drills and logging results... To me this means I am grooming future long term players and customers. Appeal to the business sense of the room and try to reach a solution you are all happy with.

GoldCrown
06-05-2011, 04:39 AM
Therefore practice like this is unwanted.

Just wondering what you think about this situation.

Respect the equipment. Asking the owner for permission would be appropriate.

Tony_in_MD
06-05-2011, 05:51 AM
Never got residue from hole reinforcers. Burn tracks. Yep.

Since it is my table. I can do anything I want to it. 183954


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ctyhntr
06-05-2011, 09:42 AM
I've been using hole reinforcements for over 3 years, and haven't been refused by a room owner. Its good manners to ask, and if you're going to be making the same shot over and over again. After a session, I clean up the rails and borrow a brush from the house to clean the cloth.

I've never seen the where removing a donut leaves a stick residue. I've used both the cheap ones, 99 cents for a pack of 544, and the Avery's from Staples.

cigardave
06-05-2011, 10:25 AM
The white skid marks are a product of shooting hard repeatedly... like we see on most every table whose cloth has been on the table for some time.

They are also the product of shooting the same shot over and over, but this time there is an additional factor of playing with dirty balls. If the balls were clean and the quality of the cloth is high (e.g., Simonis), then no white skid marks should appear, imo.

And I have been using hole reinforcers for quite a while myself with no adverse affects to the cloth.

RackemBilliards
06-05-2011, 01:39 PM
I have several guys who use the hole markers and I haven't ever noticed a problem. The other pool room in town (now closed) wouldn't allow them because they left a 'clean' spot on the cloth. Kinda funny. I appreciate the guys asking, but they practice break shots or one particular shot all the time which sometimes leaves lines on the table. I let them practice masses and jump shots a couple weeks before I recover a table. When the cloth is dirty, we clean it, and when it wears out we replace it. When I'm covering a table they always say 'it's so pretty new, it's a shame to use it'. I tell them 'yeah, and the only thing worse would be if it stays that way forever'.

Dave Smith

TheBook
06-05-2011, 02:15 PM
Is it better to use the chalk/spit method? I would think that's worse for the table.

FWIW, I've never noticed any residue with the "donuts"

That is what I am thinking. What of you just marked the table with it or chalk.

I left holes on my home table for a long time. When I removed them the glue was left on the cloth. If there are not left on long they don't. The same will happen with any masking tape, if it is left on too long it becomes hard to remove and will leave the residue, even the blue stuff.

Wonder what the owner would do if you came in with the Break A Rack. I am sure that will "wear" out the table.

Any drill or repetition will put tracks in the the table. After numerous breaks you can see the tracks of the back row going into the rear rail. Balls ran along the rail plus balls banking off eventually leave that wear or burn track.

I think the best way to keep a table from wearing is not using it and I don't think the room owner would like that.